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          UM, 
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SUPERVISOR MARY IS SUPPOSED TO BE ZOOMING IN, SO I ASSUME HE'LL BE ON BEFORE TOO LONG. 
          UM, THIS MEETING WAS POSTED BY THE CLERK'S OFFICE APPROPRIATELY, UM, WILL RISE FOR A MOMENT OF SILENT PRAYER AND THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. 
          I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. 
          UM, FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA, WE SIMPLY HAVE THE ME MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING, AND LOOK FOR A MOTION BY SUPERVISOR SICE AND SECOND BY SUPERVISOR SHARUN. 
          ANY CORRECTIONS OR DISCUSSION? THERE BEING NONE. 
          ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? THEY PASS COUNTY CLERK QUARTERLY REPORT. 
          UM, SHE'S SOMEWHERE ELSE TODAY. 
          HER DAUGHTER'S IN A GEOGRAPHY. 
          B REGIONALLY. 
          HMM. 
          SO, UH, AS YOU SEE, THERE ARE NO, EVERYTHING'S COMPLETE ON HER REPORT. 
          AND I ASKED HER ABOUT NEW GOALS, AND SHE'S GOT THOSE IN PROCESS, 
          [a. County Clerk Quarterly Report]
SO THEY'LL BE COMING AT A LATER MEETING. 
          SO WE'LL MOVE RIGHT TO THE FINANCE QUARTERLY REPORT. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          HELLO. 
          UM, SO WE'VE SWITCHED OVER TO OUR NEW YEAR FOR OUR GOALS. 
          UM, IF WE, THE FIRST ONE IS THE ONE THAT HAS THE MOST GOALS. 
          UM, FOR THE RESOURCE UTILIZATION, WE'RE FOCUSING ON EXPANDING 
          [b. Finance Quarterly Report]
OUR, UM, USE OF OUR FINANCIAL SYSTEM, UM, AND SHIFTING SOME FUNCTIONS AROUND. 
          SO, UM, THE FIRST ONE IS ALREADY COMPLETED. 
          UM, WE WORKED WITH TREASURERS ON THAT TO TRANSITION THE BANK RECS. 
          UM, WE'RE WORKING ALREADY WITH THE COUNTY CLERK TO EXPAND THE INVENTORY MODULE FOR THEIR ELECTION SUPPLIES. 
          THAT'S PRETTY MUCH COMPLETE AS WELL. 
          AND THE CONTRACTS FOR TYLER, UM, OR I'M SORRY FOR A DRC, UM, IS IN PROGRESS AND ALMOST DONE. 
          UM, THE NEXT BIG GOAL IN THAT ONE IS TO THE REDESIGN OF THE HUMAN SERVICES ACCOUNT STRUCTURE, WHICH WAS ON OUR GOALS FROM LAST YEAR. 
          UM, WE CARRIED IT INTO THIS YEAR JUST WITH THE TIMING OF THE BUDGET AND, UM, SOME OF THE OTHER STAFF TURNOVER THAT WE HAD. 
          IT WAS NOT FEASIBLE. 
          UM, AND RATHER THAN TRYING TO CHANGE STREAMS, MID BUDGET CYCLE WITH OUR BIANNUAL BUDGET, WE JUST MOVED IT FORWARD. 
          UM, AND WE'LL NOW WE'LL FOCUS ON IT IN TIME FOR THE NEXT BIANNUAL BUDGET. 
          SO, UM, THEN THE NEXT, UH, PILLAR, WE JUST HAVE ONE ITEM CURRENTLY TO GET MORE VENDORS ON A CH PAYMENTS, UM, WHICH WE'VE BEEN WORKING TOWARDS, BUT WE'RE GONNA MAKE A MORE CONCERTED EFFORT THIS YEAR. 
          UM, WE JUST HIRED A NEW, UM, ACCOUNTANT IN OUR DEPARTMENT, SO SHE'LL BE WORKING WITH TRISH, OUR LONGER TERM ACCOUNTANT TO GET THAT ACCOMPLISHED. 
          UM, AND THEN OUR LAST ONE IS COLLABORATION. 
          UM, YOU'LL NOTICE THERE'S NO GOALS ON THERE YET OTHER THAN AN UNSTARTED CENTRAL FLEET FUND. 
          UM, WE'LL, THIS AREA OF OUR GOALS, UM, RECOGNIZING THAT ALL DEPARTMENTS HAVE THESE EOS GOALS AND JOSH'S, THE BOARD'S AND JOSH'S STRATEGIC PRIORITIES DOCUMENT IS PENDING. 
          UM, WE'VE KIND OF LEFT THIS OPEN RECOGNIZING THAT A LOT OF THOSE ITEMS IMPACT US AND REQUIRE FINANCE PARTNERSHIPS. 
          SO, UM, I DIDN'T WANNA BURDEN DOWN WITH A LOT OF OUR OWN PROJECTS KNOWING THAT WE'LL NEED TO HELP DEPARTMENTS AND WORK WITH DEPARTMENTS ON THERE. 
          SO THERE WILL PROBABLY BE ITEMS ADDED TO THIS LATER IN THE YEAR. 
          UM, SO THAT'S WHY IT LOOKS A LITTLE SPARSE RIGHT NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          OTHERWISE, THAT'S ALL WE'VE GOT. 
          IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NO. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NEXT UP IS THE HUMAN RESOURCES QUARTERLY REPORT. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          UM, EVERYTHING ON THE LIST. 
          THIS IS, THIS IS REALLY STUFF FROM 23 AND A COUPLE THINGS THAT ARE CARRYING OVER TO 24. 
          UM, THE, THE 24 25 EOS GOALS I'M WORKING ON WITH AARON. 
          SOME OF THAT'S GOING AS MARGIE JUST TALKED ABOUT, COMING 
          [c. Human Resources Quarterly Report]
FROM STRATEGIC PRIORITIES THAT THAT'LL HAPPEN AS WELL AS SOME INDIVIDUAL GOALS. 
          UM, AND AGAIN, THOSE ARE NOT LISTED HERE. 
          THAT'LL BE ON OUR NEXT REPORT. 
          A COUPLE THINGS THAT ARE MOVING FORWARD OR OR CARING FORWARD. 
          UM, ONE OF THEM, UH, DASHBOARD REGARDING METRICS TO DETERMINE SUCCESS AND SAVINGS FOR THE ONSITE CLINIC. 
          UM, WE'VE NOW STARTING TO GET DATA THAT REALLY IS REFLECTIVE OF THE LAST SIX MONTHS WITH, WITH THE FREIGHTER CLINIC. 
          AND SO, UM, WE'RE REALLY AT A POINT NOW WHERE WE CAN START 
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TO TRACK THAT. 
          UM, SO YOU SHOULD START SEEING MORE DATA THERE. 
          UH, WHAT ARE THE GOALS DEVELOPING? UH, DEPLOY, STAY AND EXIT INTERVIEWS. 
          AGAIN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA MOVE FORWARD. 
          THAT'S TO BE DONE IN, IN OCTOBER OF OH FOUR, UM, OR PRIOR. 
          BUT REALLY SOMETHING WHERE WE CAN START LOOKING AT WHY ARE WE KEEPING, AND OR WHY ARE WE LOSING PEOPLE AND WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO OR WHAT CAN WE DO DIFFERENTLY. 
          AND THEN, UH, THE LAST THING MOVING FORWARD, INCREASED ORGANIZATIONAL DEVELOPMENT OPTIONS AND OPPORTUNITIES. 
          THAT'S REALLY A LEARNING AND DEVELOPMENT, UM, OPPORTUNITY THAT, THAT WE'RE WORKING ON. 
          AND, UH, SANDY W AND I GROUP IS, IS KIND OF HEADING THAT UP. 
          SO THOSE THINGS WILL MOVE FORWARD INTO 24 AS WELL AS NEW ONES THAT YOU'LL SEE THE NEXT TIME THAT I REPORT. 
          QUESTION. 
          THANK YOU, BASEBALL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OUR NEXT ITEM IS THE LEAD LATERAL UPDATE. 
          UH, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. 
          I DID, UH, I WAS ABLE TO HAND OUT A FEW, UH, DOCUMENTS, UH, BEFORE YOU RIGHT NOW, AND I'LL BE HOOKING MY COMPUTER UP TOO, SO THAT PEOPLE AT HOME CAN SEE A LOT OF THE SAME DATA THAT, THAT YOU HAVE, UH, 
          [d. Lead Lateral Update]
JUST RECEIVED THIS EVENING. 
          IT'S NOT READY TO PRESENT YET, BUT, UM, WE'LL BE THERE SHORTLY. 
          AND SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS, UM, PLUG INTO THE LEAD LATERAL GRANT THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE CITY WEST BEND SINCE, UH, NOVEMBER. 
          UH, MAYBE JUST A TOUCH BEFORE THAT OF LAST YEAR, UH, TO GO THROUGH THE, THE LEAD LATERAL GRANT PROGRAM. 
          UH, THIS WAS PRESENTED, UH, TO THE EXECUTIVE TEAM, UH, PREVIOUSLY AS WELL. 
          UM, LAST FEW DAYS I'VE BEEN ABLE TO REFLECT A LITTLE BIT, UH, ABOUT THE LAST, UH, FIVE MONTHS. 
          I DON'T SPEND A LOT OF TIME DOING THIS, BUT I THINK THIS WAS WARRANTED, UH, IN THIS CASE. 
          UM, LOOKING BACK, UH, A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THE CITY AND, AND DEFINITELY THIS BEING THE FIRST GRANT THAT I DID WITH THIS OF $3 MILLION. 
          THERE'S DEFINITELY THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, I WOULD'VE DONE DIFFERENTLY. 
          UH, LOOK, LOOKING BACK, UM, DEFINITELY WOULD'VE TAKEN BETTER NOTES AND MINUTES. 
          UH, DEFINITELY WOULD'VE BEEN MORE BOISTEROUS IN EXPRESSING MY CONCERNS AFTER, DURING THE MEETINGS, UM, AND REFLECTING AND COMMENTING, UH, FOLLOWING THE MEETINGS. 
          UH, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, DEFINING THE GOALS AND, AND THE GOALS, UH, WHICH WE BRIEFLY TOUCHED ON AT THE BEGINNING, BUT PROBABLY NOT OVER-EMPHASIZED THROUGHOUT THE COURSE OF THE, THE GRANT PROCESS THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH THIS CITY WAS, UH, COMPLETE THE ENTIRE LEAD LATERAL MOVEMENT FROM MAINE TO HOUSE AND REPAIRING OF ROADWAYS. 
          AND SO WHAT WE CAME UP WITH WAS A GRANT PROGRAM THAT, THAT JUST DOES JUST THAT, AGAIN, BREAKING IT DOWN INTO TWO COMPONENTS. 
          UH, THE ONE YOU'LL SEE THAT BASICALLY SAYS LEAD LATERAL GRANT PROGRAM ON IT, UH, LOOKS LIKE THIS ONE IN FRONT OF YOU RIGHT NOW, AGAIN, INTO TWO DIFFERENT GRANTS. 
          UH, THE FIRST ONE IS TO GET THE PRIVATE SIDE DONE WHERE THE PUBLIC SIDE WAS ALREADY DONE. 
          AGAIN, MAINLY IN THE CITY OF WEST BEND, LOOKING AT SEVENTH AND EIGHTH AVENUES. 
          IF YOU REMEMBER, THEY WERE RECENTLY RECONSTRUCTED BY THE CITY OF WEST BEND, UH, THE PUBLIC SIDE. 
          THE ROADSIDE WAS COMPLETED, THE PRIVATE SIDE, NOT YET COMPLETED. 
          AND SO LOOKING AT A GRANT OF, OF ROUGHLY 5,000 OR EXACT COSTS, UH, FOR EACH LEAD LATERAL IN THAT STRETCH, AGAIN, REMOVING ABOUT 75 LEAD LATERALS, UH, ON SEVENTH AND EIGHTH AVENUE. 
          AND OF COURSE IF THEY HAVE OTHER, UH, RECENT PROJECTS THAT, UH, THEY COULD ALSO ADDRESS, UH, THAT WOULD BE, UM, POSSIBLE AS WELL. 
          GRANT NUMBER TWO, UH, LOOKING BACK AS WELL, I THINK, YOU KNOW, DOING A LITTLE BETTER JOB OF, UH, RUNNING SOME TRUE HARD NUMBERS AS THE ENGINEER THAT I AM. 
          UM, AND I DO, I DO APPRECIATE A GOOD SPREADSHEET AS WELL. 
          UM, COULD DONE A LOT BETTER JOB OF LOOKING AT THAT. 
          AND WE, WE BOUNCED AROUND ON IDEAS OF, UH, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE ON THE, ON THE PUBLIC SIDE. 
          IS IT $10,000? IS IT $15,000? AND, AND THROUGH THE, THE COURSE OF THE PAST SEVERAL MONTHS, KIND OF BOUNCING AROUND A LITTLE BIT ON THAT AND, AND COMING UP WITH A DOLLAR AMOUNT, UM, A LITTLE HIGHER THAN, THAN MAYBE, UM, WHAT WAS EXPECTED ON, ON MY PART. 
          UM, GOING 15,000 ON THE, THE PUBLIC SIDE AND 5,000 ON, ON THE PRIVATE SIDE OF THE LATERAL. 
          IF YOU FLIP TO THE, IT'S ON THE, THE BACK OF THAT CAN REMEMBER IF THE, THE PRIVATE SIDE IS FROM THE CURB STOP, UH, IN TOWARDS THE HOUSE AND THE WATER MAIN TO THE CURB STOP USUALLY JUST BEHIND THE SIDEWALK. 
          UM, IS IS THE, UH, THE PUBLIC SIDE OF THAT. 
          AND MORE IMPORTANTLY IS THAT I, I THINK WITH THIS AND, AND STRESSING THAT THE, THE IMPORTANCE OF WORKING ON THIS LEAD LATERAL PROGRAM IS TO, UM, ALSO HELP REPLACE ROADWAYS AND TO DO THAT. 
          UM, LOOKING AT THAT, UH, THERE'S A COUPLE DIFFERENT WAYS OF 
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LOOKING AT IT. 
          AND, UH, THE SPREADSHEET THAT YOU, YOU SEE UP ON THE, ON THE SCREEN RIGHT THERE IS SOMETHING THAT, UM, I THINK I SHOULD HAVE WORKED ON EARLIER WITH THE CITY OF WEST BEND AND, AND GIVEN THEM EXACT EXAMPLES OF THIS, UM, GENERAL, GENERAL IDEA, BECAUSE I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT GENERAL THOUGHTS AND, AND GOT KIND OF HUNG UP ON SOME, SOME HIGH END STUFF WITHOUT LOOKING SOMETIMES DOWN INTO THE WEEDS. 
          AND, AND THIS SPREADSHEET CERTAINLY GETS US DOWN, UM, INTO THOSE WEEDS. 
          WHEN THE CITY DOES A A TYPICAL PROJECT, AND AGAIN, I'M TALKING ABOUT GENERALITIES AND, AND I, I DON'T WANNA BE QUOTED ON ALL OF THIS STUFF WORD FOR WORD, UH, BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, WHEN THEY DO A RECONSTRUCTION PROCESS PROJECT, UH, WHEN THEY'RE DOING IT, THEY'LL DO A SEWER LATERAL, THE SEWER MAIN, THE WATER MAIN, UH, AND THEN STORM SEWER WORK. 
          UM, AND THEN THE ROADWAY ABOVE IT. 
          AND GENERALLY SPEAKING, THE ROAD ABOVE THE SEWER, THAT ABOUT 10 FEET GETS PAID FOR BY THE SEWER UTILITY, FROM THE, ALL THE WAY DOWN FROM THE PIPE ALL THE WAY UP TO THE ROAD, PAYING FOR THE GRAVEL, PAYING FOR THE ASPHALT. 
          SAME THING FOR THE WATER MAIN, AGAIN, PAYING FOR NOT JUST THE WATER MAIN, BUT THE GRAVEL AROUND THE WATER MAIN, ALL THE WAY UP AND PAYING FOR THE ROADWAY ABOVE THAT. 
          AND IF THEY HAVE TO DO LATERALS AND THE WATER, WATER SERVICE OR SEWER SERVICE ALSO PAYS FOR THE ROADWAY GOING OUT AND MAYBE SOME CURB AND GUTTER WORK AS WELL. 
          AND SO TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THAT THAT'S A, A TYPICAL RECONSTRUCT PROJECT WHERE YOU'RE RECONSTRUCTING THE ROADWAY. 
          I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF NUMBERS ON HERE AND I'LL, I'LL TRY MY BEST TO WALK YOU THROUGH IT, BUT IF YOU REMEMBER, THERE'S A SANITARY UTILITY AND A WATER UTILITY AND THE CITY PAYS KIND OF THE REMAINDER. 
          OKAY? JUST KEEP THAT IN YOUR MIND, RIGHT? THERE'S UTILITY PAYING FOR IT, PART OF IT AND THAT, SO YOU GOT THE FIRST FERRY LINE IS, UH, THIS IS TAKING A PENNSYLVANIA AVENUE, ABOUT 900 FEET OF ROADWAY DONE IN 2023. 
          SO RECENT AND GOOD DATA, SANITARY SEWER COSTS, UH, FOR THE SEWER ITSELF WAS $142,000 CARRIED OVER TO THE NEXT LINE, 142. 
          LET'S GO DOWN TO THE WATER UTILITIES, 171,000 IN ROUGH NUMBERS. 
          AND THE STORM SEWER UTILITY, YOU SEE, EXCAVATION, CURB AND SIDEWALK ASPHALT AND, AND MISCELLANEOUS, THAT SECOND COLUMN RIGHT AFTER BID AMOUNTS, THE 1 42 IS WHAT SANITARY SEWER WOULD NORMALLY PAY FOR THE SEWER WORK. 
          1 71 FOR THE WATER WORK. 
          THE CITY WOULD THEN PAY THE 2 43 FOR THE STORM SEWER WORK IF IT'S NEEDED, THEN 370,000 ACCOUNTS FOR WHAT'S ROADWAY, RIGHT? WHAT'S LEFT? THE EXCAVATION CURB, SIDEWALK, ASPHALT, AND MISCELLANEOUS ROADWAY. 
          THAT THREE 70, WHAT THE CITY TYPICALLY DOES, AGAIN, NOT EVERY PROJECT, BUT MOST OF THEIR PROJECTS, THEY'LL TAKE THAT DIVIDED INTO THREE. 
          ALRIGHT? TAKE THAT ROADWAY 'CAUSE YOU'VE GOT A 30 FOOT ROADWAY, 10 FOOT SEWER, 10 FOOT WATER, 10 FOOT CITY. 
          OKAY? THAT'S WHERE YOU GET THE NEXT COLUMN OF THE ONE 20 THREES. 
          SO 123,000 GETS ADDED TO THE SEWER BILL. 
          SO THAT'S TOTAL SEWER COST ON THAT PROJECT WAS ROUGHLY 2 65. 
          AGAIN, BID AMOUNTS, NOT ACTUAL WORK BEING DONE. 
          I ONLY HAD ACCESS TO THEIR BID ONLINE WATER UTILITY TAKEN TO 1 71 PLUS THE 1 23 GETS YOU TO 2 95 BY THE WATER UTILITY. 
          STORM SEWER GETS LUMPED IN WITH THE REST OF THE ROADWAY. 
          SO THE 2 43 PLUS THE 1 23 GETS YOU TO 360 7. 
          HOPEFULLY I HAVEN'T LOST ANYONE YET. 
          IT'S A LOT OF NUMBERS AND I, AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT, BUT BASE WHAT AMOUNTS IS THAT LAST COLUMN ON THE RIGHT SEWER ENDS UP PAYING 2 65 WATER 2 95. 
          AND THE CITY, WHETHER THEY HAVE A LEVY ASSESSMENT, UH, GETTING OTHER KIND OF FUNDING FOR THAT ROADWAY WORK, UH, IS ON THE HOOK FOR 360 7. 
          AND THAT'S THE, THE GREEN NUMBER. 
          AND THAT'S WHY IT'S HIGHLIGHTED GREEN IS THAT'S REALLY WHAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY, IS THAT 2 67. 
          360 7. 
          AND HOW DOES THAT PAY FOR DOWN AT THE BOTTOM? UM, AGAIN, A LOT MORE NUMBERS, BUT I PENNSYLVANIA AVENUE, IF WE DON'T LOOK AT THE NUMBERS DOWN BELOW, BUT ON PENNSYLVANIA IT WAS 28 HOMES. 
          IF EACH ONE OF THOSE HOMES WOULD'VE HAD A LEAD LATERAL AND NONE OF THEM DID IN THIS INSTANCE, BUT THEY WOULD'VE PICKED A STREET WITH THE LEAD LATERALS ON THEM, RIGHT? THE PENNSYLVANIA AVENUES AND THE SOUTH SOUTHEAST PART OF THE CITY OFF OF JUST EAST OF INDIANA, UH, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH IT, SO TO GET YOU IT'S HOMES ARE CLOSER TOGETHER IN THAT AREA, RIGHT? AND SO TAKING THAT 28 LA 28 HOMES, 15,000 FOR THE PUBLIC SIDE, AGAIN, THE 5,000 IS ON THE, IN A PARKING LOT PAID FOR THE, IT WOULD BE ON THE SIDE TO PAY FOR THE, THE, THE PRIVATE SIDE LATERALS. 
          BUT IF, IF YOU TAKE THE 28 HOMES, IF IT WOULD'VE HAD LEAD LATERALS, THEY WOULD'VE GOTTEN 15,000 PER LEAD LATERAL OR $420,000. 
          ALRIGHT? IF GOING BACK UP TO THE TOP, IF SEWER PAYS WHAT THE SEWER NORMALLY PAY, UTILITY WATER UTILITY PAYS WHAT THEY PAY. 
          THE FOUR 20 IS OBVIOUSLY ABOVE 360 7. 
          THE CITY COULD HAVE QUOTE UNQUOTE MADE MONEY ON THE, ON THE PROJECT. 
          RIGHT NOW, THERE'S STILL BEEN ENGINEERING COSTS AND DESIGN COSTS AS WELL AS INSPECTION COSTS ON TOP OF THAT. 
          BUT WHAT I WOULD SAY IS PRETTY CLOSE TO A BREAK, EVEN IF NOT POTENTIALLY MAKING A LITTLE MONEY RIGHT ON THAT DEAL. 
          SO BASICALLY THE ROADWAY WOULD BE PAID FOR OUTTA THE LATERAL GRANT PROGRAM IF THEY JUST FOLLOW THE SAME RULES THEY HAD BEEN DOING FOR YEARS WITH THE WATER PAYING 
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THE WATER AREA AND THE SEWER, PAYING THE SEWER AREA. 
          IF YOU LOOK AT IT, AND HOPEFULLY EVERYBODY DRAFTS THAT CONCEPT, RIGHT? AND THE NUMBERS I'M LOOKING AT, IF YOU NOW TAKE A ROADWAY AND THEY'RE NOT DOING THE UTILITIES RIGHT AT ALL, SO YOU CAN TAKE OFF THE SAND TRAY WORK AND THE WATER WORK UP ABOVE, AND ALL YOU'RE LEFT WITH IS POSSIBLE STORM SEWER WORK AND ROADWAY WORK, SAME 28 LATERALS. 
          THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS ARE STILL 360 7, RIGHT? BUT THE WATER MAIN UP ABOVE, INSTEAD OF BEING ZERO, THEY STILL GOT WORK TO DO TO REPLACE THOSE LEAD LATERALS IN THE ROADWAY, RIGHT? SO THERE'S STILL A COST TO THAT, BUT STILL MUCH, MUCH LESS. 
          BUT MAYBE GIVE IT A HUNDRED BUCKS A FOOT OR SO, GIVE AND TAKE. 
          UM, SO IT'S STILL PAYING THAT FOR THE WATER UTILITY, BUT AGAIN, THE CITY PART WOULD BE PAID FOR BY THE LEAD GRANT PROGRAM. 
          I THINK THAT'S WHERE I, I MIGHT'VE LOST THE CITY AT ONE POINT, UM, IS TO TRY TO EXPLAIN THIS WITHOUT HAVING A NICE SPREADSHEET. 
          AND I'VE DONE MULTIPLE ROADS IN THE CITY, UM, THIRD AVENUE, SIXTH AVENUE, TO LOOK AT DIFFERENT STRETCHES TOO. 
          SO WHAT I WANT TO DO IS GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF ONE THAT WAS JUST RECENTLY DONE, AND THEN I PUSHED THAT FORWARD WITH THE LATERAL PROGRAM THAT WE HAVE AND THE MAPPING THAT WE HAVE AND SAYING, OKAY, NOW I CAN COMPARE THIS PRICE PER FOOT GOING, IT'S THE SAME PRICE PER FOOT GOING FORWARD. 
          NOW, I DON'T THINK THIS PROJECT'S AN ANOMALY. 
          I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING THAT WAS LIKE STRANGE OR DIFFERENT. 
          UM, EVERY PRODUCT'S GONNA BE DIFFERENT. 
          I FULLY ADMIT THAT SOME HAVE BAD SOILS IN THEM. 
          THEY MIGHT HAVE TO DO SOME UNDERCUTTING. 
          UH, SOME MIGHT HAVE GOOD SOIL, SOME MIGHT HAVE A LARGER STORM SEWER, SOME MIGHT HAVE SMALLER STORM SEWER. 
          SO EVERY PROJECT CAN BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. 
          MAYBE SOME OF THE ROADS ARE A LITTLE WIDER, A LITTLE NARROWER. 
          UH, MAYBE THOSE A LITTLE MORE SIDEWALK ON ONE, LITTLE LESS THAN ONE. 
          SO WHEN, WHEN WE GIVE THESE NUMBERS OF THE 360 7 AND A FOUR 20, THE FOUR 20 IS A PRETTY SOLID NUMBER. 
          THE 360 7 CAN CERTAINLY FLUCTUATE, BUT WE'RE NOT TALKING GOING FROM, UH, OVER A HUNDRED PERCENT OR A HUNDRED PERCENT DOWN TO 3% OF YOUR PROJECT ONLY, RIGHT? I THINK THAT THAT'S THE IMPORTANT KEY THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS COULD PO POSSIBLY FUND. 
          AND I KNOW THE CHALLENGE THE CITY HAD TOO WAS THEY, THEY HAVE A CIP PROJECT AND PRO PROGRAM, UH, JUST LIKE WE HAVE A CIP PROGRAM. 
          AND TO MAKE THAT PIVOT, UH, TO OTHER PROGRAMS AND OTHER ROADWAYS IS SOMETIMES CHALLENGING. 
          BUT I, I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS AND GOING, WELL, IF I WAS TO COME TO YOU FOR A COUNTY HIGHWAY AND GOING, WELL, I'M GONNA GET $3 MILLION, BUT I GOTTA ADJUST MY CIP, I DON'T THINK ONE PERSON HERE WOULD SAY, WELL, DON'T ADJUST OUR CIP 'CAUSE ALREADY VOTED ON IT. 
          I THINK YOU WOULD ALL AGREE TO A PERSON THAT'S SAYING, IF WE'RE GETTING $3 MILLION, WE WOULD CERTAINLY TAKE A REALLY HARD LOOK AT THIS. 
          PLUS THE ADVANTAGE OF GETTING RID OF THE LEAD LATERALS IN THEIR ENTIRETY. 
          AND WHY, I WANNA POINT YOU BACK TO THAT, THAT SAME SHEET OF PAPER THAT, UM, WAS ON THE BACK OF THE LEAD LATERAL GRANT PROGRAM. 
          AND WHAT IS KEY TO REPLACE THE ENTIRE LINE IS WE LOOK AT THE DNR ADVISED, UH, THE DEPARTMENT'S ADVISING RIGHT UP IN THE TOP RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE, THAT MS P REPLACED LEAD SERVICE LINES IN THEIR ENTIRETY. 
          NOT JUST THE PRIVATE SIDE, NOT JUST THE PRIVATE PUBLIC SIDE, BUT IN THEIR ENTIRETY. 
          YOU GOTTA REMEMBER, EVERY TIME YOU DO THAT, YOU DISTURB THE LEAD, RIGHT? IF YOU'RE ONLY DOING ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER SIDE. 
          AND, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THAT WE CERTAINLY SPENT A LOT OF TIME WITH THE CITY, UM, TALKING ABOUT JUST DOING THE PRIVATE SIDE ONLY. 
          AND, AND LOOKING AT THAT AGAIN AFTER THAT REFLECTION TIME, ESPECIALLY AFTER OUR, OUR LAST MEETING WHEN IT WAS DRILLED INTO ME, UM, THAT THIS WAS NOT A RHODES PROJECT, THIS WAS NOT A RHODES PROJECT THAT, UM, IT REMINDED ME OF MY GOALS, OUR GOALS, EXCUSE ME, ON, ON THIS PROJECT. 
          UM, AND JUST STRENGTHEN THE RESOLVE OF LET'S DO THE NUMBERS, GRANTS ONE AND TWO ON THIS ONE. 
          UM, AND NOT JUST TO PRIVATE SITE ONLY. 
          UM, SO WITH THAT, I'M CERTAINLY WILLING TO TAKE, UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT YOU, YOU MAY HAVE. 
          I CERTAINLY CAN PROVIDE MORE DATA IN YOUR PACKET THAT I PROVIDED AS WELL. 
          I DON'T WANNA GLOSS OVER THIS AS, UH, THE EMAIL CHAIN BETWEEN, UM, UH, EXECUTIVE SHOWMAN AND, AND MAYOR GER TO MYSELF, UM, AS WELL AS MANY CITY OFFICIALS AND SOME OTHER COUNTY OFFICIALS AS WELL, UM, REMINDING THEM THAT THE GRANT PROGRAM IS OUT THERE, IT IS LIVE. 
          UH, AND, AND WE ARE LOOKING FOR A RESPONSE. 
          UH, WE'RE LOOKING FOR A RESPONSE FOR GRANT ONE, UH, BY THE END OF THIS MONTH AND, AND REALIZE THAT THEY MAY NEED TO TAKE A LITTLE MORE TIME TO LOOK AT THIS GRANT NUMBER TWO AND, AND REALLY DIVE INTO IT THAT EVEN WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH FOR MONTHS. 
          UM, NEVER REALLY HEARD A THAT'S NOT GONNA WORK. 
          THE FINANCES DON'T WORK. 
          AND, AND I'M, I'M SURE AFTER THIS MEETING THEY'LL BE LOOKING HARD AT THE NUMBERS, UM, AND, AND COMING UP WITH, WITH SOME NUMBERS TO SEE WHAT LOOKS LIKE ON THEIR SIDE. 
          UM, BUT JUST TO MAYBE POTENTIALLY GIVE THEM A LITTLE MORE TIME FOR THAT, THAT GRANT. 
          NUMBER TWO, TO REALLY DIVE INTO NUMBERS A LITTLE BIT MORE AND, AND REALLY TAKE A, A SERIOUS LOOK AT AT WHAT'S BEING ACTUALLY OFFERED OUT THERE. 
          UM, IF THEY JUST KEEP DOING WHAT THEY'VE BEEN DOING. 
          AND YES, IS IT POSSIBLE THAT THE SEWER WATER UTILITY MIGHT HAVE TO TAKE OUT A, A LOAN, UH, TO GET THIS WORK DONE? BUT THERE'S A LOT OF 
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MAINS OUT THERE THAT ARE A HUNDRED PLUS YEARS OLD, UH, WAS VERY INTEGRAL IN LOOKING AT THEIR 2050 PLAN AND THEIR ROADWAYS. 
          UM, SO I KNOW THERE'S ROADWAYS OUT THERE THAT NEED WORK IN THE CITY. 
          UM, I THINK THERE WAS JUST A REPORT THE OTHER DAY. 
          IT WAS 60 OR 70% OF PEOPLE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE ROAD CONDITIONS, UH, IN THE, IN THE CITY WEST BEND THAT I KNOW THERE'S ROADWAYS WITH UTILITIES OUT THAT ARE REALLY AGED, UM, AS WELL AS ROADS THAT ARE IN A POOR SHAPE OUT THERE IN A CITY THAT YOU CAN JUST LOOK AROUND. 
          I USED THIRD AVENUE AS AN EXAMPLE. 
          I I DROVE IT TODAY GOING, YEAH, THAT COULD USE A RECONSTRUCT, UM, AT LEAST IN NORTHERN PORTION OF IT. 
          SO, UM, I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY, UM, AS SOMETHING TO LOOK FORWARD TO, UM, AND NOT REALLY DWELL BACK ON THE, THE KIND OF THE HE SAID SHE SAID OVER THE LAST FIVE MONTHS. 
          'CAUSE I THINK WE, WE BOTH LOOKED AT AT THAT. 
          I THINK IF WE LOOKED AT IT WITH A TRUE HEART, THERE'D BE DEFINITELY THINGS I'D BE DOING DIFFERENTLY. 
          I'M SURE THE, THE CITY WOULD TOO, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO LOOK FORWARD AND, AND, AND MOVE FORWARD. 
          'CAUSE THE THE TIME IS IS SHORT ON THIS GRANT. 
          AND IF YOU WANT OTHER EXAMPLES, I'VE GOT PLENTY OF SPREADSHEETS, UM, TO SHARE WITH YOU, UM, AS WELL. 
          BUT I THOUGHT I'D, UM, SHARE THAT UPDATE WITH YOU RIGHT NOW AND CERTAINLY OPEN UP TO ANY, ANY QUESTIONS THAT, THAT YOU MAY HAVE. 
          QUESTION. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION SPREADSHEET. 
          OH, DO YOU WANT HIM TO GO FIRST? SO, VISOR MARY, GO AHEAD IF YOU DON'T MIND. 
          YES, SIR. 
          GOING BACK TO, UH, LET ME FIND WHERE WE'RE AT HERE. 
          GOING BACK TO UNDER THE, I'M NOT SURE WHAT PAGE IT IS. 
          UH, THE LEAD LATERAL PAGE, IT TALKS ABOUT, UH, UNDER GRANT NUMBER ONE. 
          YES, THERE'S, UH, I GOT A, I'M SORRY, I THOUGHT I HAD THE RIGHT PAGE HERE FOR THIS THING. 
          UNDER GRANT NUMBER ONE, IT TALKS ABOUT, UH, THIS WOULD INCLUDE TRENCH RESTORATION, GRAVEL AND ASPHALT, TWO WIDTHS, ENGINEERING, CONSTRUCTION, INTERIOR HOME REPAIR, PRIVATE TRENCH REPAIR, AND VEGETATION REMOVAL, AND REESTABLISHMENT. 
          IN OTHER WORDS, YOU'RE GOT, THIS IS GONNA BE, LAWNS ARE GONNA BE OTD IS THIS THE HOMEOWNER'S LAWN OR IS THIS JUST THE TERRACE AREA? TYPICALLY SPEAKING, IT WOULD BE FROM BEHIND THE SIDEWALK TO THE HOME. 
          UH, THERE'S DIFFERENT METHODOLOGIES TO REPLACE THAT LEAD LATERAL, UH, DEPENDING ON, ON THE SOIL TYPES, IT'S REALLY, REALLY DEPENDENT ON THE SOIL TYPES. 
          THERE MIGHT BE ABLE TO PULL IT THROUGH AND BASICALLY BREAK RIGHT THROUGH THE OLD LEAD AND LEAVE THAT ONE IN PLACE AND ACTUALLY PULL IT THROUGH. 
          SOMETIMES THE, UH, GROUND IS JUST TOO STICKY AND IT JUST WON'T HAPPEN OR TOO ROCKY. 
          AND SO THEY MIGHT HAVE TO DO A TRENCH. 
          THERE MIGHT BE A TREE WHERE THEIR LADDER IS, THERE MIGHT BE BUSHES RIGHT WHERE THAT LEAD LATERAL IS. 
          SO EVERY LATERAL TO THE HOME IS IN A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT PLACE. 
          SO, UM, SO YES, THEY WOULD BE RESTORING THEIR YARD AT LEAST BY THE SIDEWALK AND AT LEAST BY THE HOME, UM, WOULD BE THE, THE TWO PLACES POTENTIALLY. 
          BUT, UM, DEPENDING ON THE SITE, IT COULD BE THE WHOLE WHOLE WAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOU'VE ANSWERED MY QUESTION, SIR. 
          THANK YOU, SCOTT. 
          SO I GUESS TO ADD TO THAT, AGAIN, I LOVE YOUR SPREADSHEETS, BUT MOVING ON TO ADD TO THAT, THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT YOU GO POINT TO POINT, YOU GET IN THERE, YOU, YOU DIG DOWN, REPLACE IT, PUT IT BACK TO PRE-CONSTRUCTION, SOMEWHAT PRE-CONSTRUCTION, AND, AND YOU'RE DONE, RIGHT? YES. 
          EITHER WE OR EITHER DIG DOWN AND DO THAT, LIKE I SAID, OR I CAN DIG A HOLE BY THE ROADWAY AND THEY CAN EITHER PULL THROUGH IT, UM, OR KIND OF, IF YOU CAN, YOU CAN GET LUCKY ENOUGH. 
          AND LIKE THE OLD CHINESE FINGERS, YOU REMEMBER THAT, THAT THING, RIGHT? YOU PUT THEM TWO TOGETHER, YOU TRY TO PULL IT THROUGH. 
          BUT, UM, IT DEPENDS ON THE SOIL TYPE. 
          SO, UM, YOU CAN IMAGINE CLAY'S VERY STICKY IF THERE'S ROCKS, IT DOESN'T LIKE TO GO, UM, TREE ROOTS THAT ARE POTENTIAL PROBLEMS. SO, UM, THERE'S JUST, UH, MULTIPLE ONES MIGHT BE DONE MULTIPLE DIFFERENT WAYS. 
          CERTAINLY THE, THE CITY AND WOULD HOPEFULLY DO IT THE CHEAPEST WAY LESS EXPENSIVE WAY FIRST. 
          UH, BUT EVERYBODY'S HOME IS DIFFERENT TOO, IN THE INSIDE A LITTLE BIT. 
          SOME MIGHT BE A FINISHED BASEMENT, SOME MIGHT NOT BE, RIGHT? SO IF THERE'S A FINISHED BASEMENT, YOU MIGHT HAVE TO GO IN THERE AND, YOU KNOW, REPLACE THE DRYWALL, REPAIR THE DRYWALL SO THAT EVERY, EVERYONE IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. 
          THAT'S WHY WE'D BE LOOKING AT, UM, YOU KNOW, EXACT COSTS. 
          YOU KNOW, WE REALIZE THAT THERE ARE SOME THAT MIGHT BE LESS EXPENSIVE, BUT SOME THAT MIGHT BE MORE THAN 5,000. 
          SO I GUESS ANOTHER QUESTION IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION IS, AND THIS MIGHT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP MANY TIMES, BUT YOU KEEP SAYING THAT TIME IS KIND OF, OF ESSENCE HERE, RIGHT? TO GET THIS DONE. 
          WHAT, WHAT IF WE BACK YOUR BACK? WHAT'S PLAN B OR CII SPEAKING FOR MYSELF? , UH, . 
          UH, I WOULD, I WOULD, I WOULD 
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LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO OTHER MUNICIPALITIES. 
          UH, WE HAVE TALKED TO OTHER MUNICIPALITIES ON LEAD LATERALS, UM, VERY RECENTLY. 
          UH, I THINK THERE COULD BE SOME INTEREST OUT THERE FOR AT LEAST ONE, IF NOT BOTH OF THESE GRANTS. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT WAS SCOTT'S RECOMMENDATION TO ME. 
          UM, ALONG THE WAY, REALLY, UH, CITY OF HARTFORD HAS 400 AND SOME LATERALS. 
          THEY'RE ALL ON. 
          WE BELIEVE THEY'RE ALL ON THE PUBLIC SIDE. 
          UM, AND THEN VILLAGE OF KIOSKI HAS A HANDFUL AND THERE MAY BE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES THAT HAVE A HANDFUL HERE AND THERE. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, THAT CAN BE A DISCUSSION AS WELL ABOUT WHETHER WE SHOULD JUST DO, DO WHAT WE CAN. 
          KIOSKI, FOR EXAMPLE, THEY'VE GOT THE ROAD OPEN NOW, RIGHT NOW, UH, WHERE THOSE ARE, MAYBE WE SHOULD JUST TAKE CARE OF THAT WHILE THE ROAD'S OPEN WITH THEM. 
          UM, BUT LONG STORY SHORT, THIS IS WHY WE KEEP URGING THE CITY. 
          THESE DOLLARS HAVE TO BE ALLOCATED BY THE END OF THIS YEAR. 
          THEY HAVE TO BE SPENT BY 2026. 
          YOU KNOW, WE CAN BE FLEXIBLE WITH THAT. 
          UH, BUT THERE'S LIMITED FLEXIBILITY. 
          SO WHEN, WHEN WE'RE GETTING A RESPONSE BACK, LIKE I, I DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO MISQUOTE HERE. 
          UM, THE CITY WAS NOT INTERESTED IN ALTERING THE ROADS PROGRAM, OR THIS ISN'T THE RHODES PROGRAM OR RHODES AREN'T OUR PRIORITY. 
          THAT'S WHEN I STARTED MEETING WITH CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS AND SAYING, GUYS, LIKE WE GOTTA MOVE THIS. 
          THE CITY COUNCIL HAS TO BE ONE, HAVING THIS DISCUSSION AND MAKE A DECISION. 
          MM-HMM, , IT'S ALSO WHY WE BUILT IT WHERE A RESOLUTION HAS TO BE PASSED. 
          AN EMAIL DOESN'T SUFFICE. 
          A VERBAL, NOT EVEN A LETTER. 
          SO SUPERVISOR FOSTER. 
          SO MY DISTRICT IS ONE THAT PROBABLY HAS TWO THIRDS OF THE LEAD LATERALS IN WEST BEND. 
          SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE CITY MOVE ON THIS. 
          UM, THIS HAS A POTENTIAL TO BE A WIN-WIN. 
          TALKING TO NEIGHBORS IN THOSE STREETS AND ROADS. 
          THEY LOOK AT THE ROADS AND THEY'RE WONDERING WHY THEY'RE NOT GETTING FIXED. 
          THERE ARE NEIGHBORS I TALKED TO WHO WERE TOLD 15 YEARS AGO, THEIR ROAD'S GONNA BE FIXED AND NOTHING'S BEEN DONE WITH IT. 
          THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO START MAKING A DENT IN THAT AND GIVE PEOPLE CLEAN DRINKING WATER. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHY THE CITY WOULD SAY NO TO THIS. 
          THIS IS A WIN-WIN. 
          SO . 
          BUT IF THEY'RE, WE'VE GIVEN THEM TILL MARCH 31ST, SO I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE ANOTHER PLANNED MEETING. 
          SO THEY'D HAVE TO HAVE A UNPLANNED MEETING. 
          THEY'D HAVE TO SCHEDULE A OUTSIDE THEIR NORMAL CYCLE TO GET THIS DONE. 
          I WOULD HOPE THEY WOULD DO THAT. 
          BUT IF NOT, I GUESS WE'LL GIVE THE MONEY TO HARTFORD AND SCU AND WHOEVER, BUT THAT'D BE A DISAPPOINTMENT. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. 
          SO, UH, I'VE COMMUNICATED THE NEED FOR THE RESOLUTION TO, UH, THE MAYOR. 
          I'VE ALSO COMMUNICATED TO HIM, AND I WAS AT THE MID MARINE MUNICIPAL LEAGUE LAST WEEK, UM, NO FLACK JACKET OR ANYTHING. 
          AND I SHARED WITH THEM THAT I BELIEVE IT'S TIME THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE, AT A MINIMUM, MAYBE THE COUNTY BOARD AT A MAXIMUM ARE SITTING IN THE SAME ROOM HAVING THIS DISCUSSION. 
          UH, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW EVERYBODY'S TALKING PAST EACH OTHER OR TALKING THROUGH THE NEWSPAPER AND IT'S, THIS IS AN EXERCISE IN FUTILITY. 
          LIKE, LET'S GET THE DECISION MAKERS IN A ROOM AND STOP THIS GAME THAT'S GOING ON. 
          'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING. 
          IT'S A GAME LIKE AS YOU MENTIONED, YOUR CONSTITUENTS, THAT LEAD IS NOT A GAME. 
          YEAH. 
           TAKING IT, TAKING IT OUT HALFWAY MAKES NO SENSE IF YOU DON'T HAVE TO. 
          YEAH, THAT'S THE CITY OF HARTFORD GOT A GRANT I BELIEVE FROM THE DNR YEARS AGO. 
          YES, CORRECT. 
          THAT'S ALL THE MONEY THEY HAD. 
          SO THEY GOT WHAT THEY COULD GET. 
          THIS ISN'T THAT CASE AND IT SHOULDN'T BE. 
          AND AS IS ILLUSTRATED IN OUR STRATEGIC PRIORITIES, LIKE THIS HITS EVERYTHING WE DO. 
          IT HITS ALL OF OUR PRIORITIES. 
          UM, IT SHOULD SERVE YOUR CONSTITUENTS AND THOSE OF, I I BELIEVE SUPERVISOR BAILEY AND SUPERVISOR KELLY, AND HOPEFULLY EVENTUALLY OVER IN HARTFORD, IT SHOULD SERVE EVERYBODY REALLY, REALLY WELL AND GET WHAT THEY'VE BEEN ASKING US FOR, FOR SEVEN, EIGHT YEARS. 
          FIX, FIX OUR ROADS. 
          WELL, YOU FIX YOUR ROADS, WE GET THE LET OUT. 
          WE GET A WIN. 
          YOU GET A WIN. 
          THE CITIZENS CERTAINLY GETS A WIN. 
          THE COMMUNITY GETS A WIN. 
          WHY, TO YOUR POINT, WHY, HOW IS THIS NOT HAPPENING, ? YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S A WIN-WIN FOR EVERYBODY. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , WHY WOULDN'T WE BE DOING THIS? RIGHT? ? I DON'T KNOW. 
          UM, OKAY, SOMEBODY'S GOTTA ASK THIS QUESTION. 
          UM, KIOWAS IS RECONSTRUCTING FLAC AVENUE, LIKE YOU SAID, THE ROAD'S OPEN. 
          NOW DON'T WE OWE TO OURSELVES TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THEM? I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY LEAD LATERALS THEY HAVE, BUT IF WE COULD DO 'EM WHILE THE STREETS OPEN, 
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CERTAINLY THIS FIVE ON 1 45 ON 45. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION, MR. CHAIRMAN. 
          AND I'VE HAD CONSTITUENTS CALLING NOW THAT THEY KNOW THEY'VE GOT LEAD. 
          UM, AND WE, THE VILLAGE PRESIDENT PRIOR TO THOSE CALLS HAD CONTACTED US AND ASKED US THE SAME. 
          UM, I'M, I, THAT'S WHY WE BROUGHT IT UP HERE TODAY, IN PART BECAUSE YOU'LL REMEMBER WHEN WE STRUCTURED BOTH OF THESE PROGRAMS, THE LEAD LATERAL PROGRAM IS ADJACENT TO THE FIRE EMS PROGRAM. 
          WEST BEND ISN'T PARTICIPATING IN THE FIRE EMS PROGRAM BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S A LARGE PROGRAM, BUT THEY HAVE A BIG PROBLEM. 
          SO, UM, WE WERE TRYING TO BE FAIR, UM, BY NOT INCLUDING THEM IN THAT AND THEN ALSO DOING THIS FOR THEM. 
          UM, BUT, UH, IN THE CASE OF KIOSKI, IF IT PLEASES THIS GROUP, I MEAN, I CAN COME BACK HERE IN APRIL WITH AN ALLOCATION OF ARPA DOLLARS TO DIRECTLY FUND IT. 
          SIX, SIX LATERALS AT 15,000 A PIECE, FIVE A PIECE. 
          PRIVATE SIDE IF THEY'RE DOING, IF THEY'RE DOING THE PUBLIC ALREADY. 
          OKAY? MM-HMM, . 
          SO I, WHATEVER THE, WE CAN WORK THROUGH THAT WITH THEM, WITH THE PROPOSAL IS, BUT WE COULD BRING THAT BACK HERE. 
          UM, I'LL JUST REMIND YOU, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT MONEY'S RUNNING OUT, SO JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND. 
          UM, IT'S NOT OUT, BUT I'M TRYING TO GET MORE THINGS TO COME TO THE BOARD AND HAVE GENERAL FUND DECISIONS. 
          SO IT, 'CAUSE IT'S NOT, THESE AREN'T EASY ANYMORE. 
          WE'RE NOW GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE EVEN IF YOU APPROVE THIS, UM, ONCE WE GET TO THAT STAGE OF THEM BRINGING A RESOLUTION BACK, IF WE'RE GONNA KEEP DOING THIS, IT'S TAXPAYER, IT'S PROPERTY TAX DOLLARS THAT'S GONNA FUND THIS STUFF MOVING FORWARD. 
          UM, SO WE'VE GOT, I'M GLAD YOU'RE BRINGING THAT UP, BUT EVENTUALLY THAT'S GOTTA BE PART OF THE DISCUSSION THIS, THIS BOARD'S HAS. 
          SO IF WITH YOUR PERMISSION, I'LL BRING BACK THAT KIOSKI ITEM NEXT MONTH. 
          IF THERE'S ONLY FIVE FOR GOOD MISTAKES, YEAH, WHY NOT? YEAH, I JUST DON'T WANT TO BE, I KNOW, UNFAIR TO DIFFERENT, THAT WAS THE ONLY REASON I DIDN'T DO IT THAT WAY. 
          UNDERSTAND. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S A RELATIVELY MINOR AMOUNT. 
          OKAY. 
          DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE THEIR ROADS OPEN RIGHT NOW? YEAH, GOOD QUESTION. 
          I I IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          IT IS, IT IS. 
          AND MY, MY ONLY QUESTION IS WHAT DO YOU NEED FROM US? A CONSENSUS? YEAH, I BELIEVE WE, YES, WE DEFINITELY NEED A CONSENSUS. 
          I, I THINK, UM, I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME REACH OUTS, LIKE COLLABORATIVE REACH OUTS, NOT LETTERS TO THE EDITOR OR , BUT LIKE, WE NEED TO REACH OUT TO COUNCIL MEMBERS. 
          WE NEED TO REACH OUT TO THE MAYOR AND SAY, LOOK, WE WANT TO TALK WITH YOU AT THE ELECTED OFFICIALS. 
          I THINK A, A REACH OUT FROM THE COUNTY BOARD CHAIR, WHETHER THAT'S JUST THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE AND THE CITY COUNCIL OR WHETHER IT'S TO SIT IN FRONT OF THE WHOLE BOARD, UM, WE'RE PAST, I'VE BEEN SAYING IT, YOU'VE BEEN HEARING ME SAY IT SINCE MY STATE OF THE COUNTY. 
          WE GOTTA CUT THROUGH THE BUREAUCRATIC CRAP AND GET TO DECISIONS THAT IMPACT PEOPLE'S LIVES. 
          YES. 
          I LIKE THE IDEA OF HAVING A JOINT MEETING WITH THE CITY COUNCIL BECAUSE THIS IS NOT A DECISION FOR THE BUREAUCRATS, THIS IS FOR THE ELECTED LEADERS, THE CITY COUNCIL, THE COUNTY BOARD. 
          NOT PEOPLE LIKE SCOTT OR THE CITY ADMINISTRATOR, BUT FOR US. 
          UM, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'D BE EXECUTIVE AND THE CITY COUNCIL OR IF THAT'D BE THE FULL BOARD AND THE CITY COUNCIL, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD DO THAT MAYBE THIS MARCH 31ST DATE WE PUT A DATE AFTER THAT JOINT MEETING. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT PEOPLE'S THOUGHTS ARE ON EXTENDING THAT, BUT I'D WANNA BE CAREFUL. 
          I DON'T WANNA CREATE SOME EXPECTATION THAT WE'RE JUST GONNA KEEP EXTENDING THIS INDEFINITELY SAYING, PLEASE TAKE OUR MONEY OR NOT. 
          IF THEY'RE NOT GONNA TAKE IT, WE'LL GIVE IT TO HARTFORD. 
          WE'LL GIVE IT TO JACKSON IF THEY HAD PROBLEMS OR SLINGER. 
          SO, BUT THAT'S MY THOUGHT. 
          I AGREE. 
          I MEAN, OTHER THAN WHAT I KNOW HERE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE THINKING OR WHY THEY'RE THINKING THE WAY THEY ARE. 
          SO MAYBE WE CAN BRING SHED SOME LIGHT ON, ON THAT. 
          I BELIEVE THE BOARD IS WHOLEHEARTEDLY BEHIND THIS IDEA. 
          SO I THINK IF WE HAVE A MEETING, IT'D BE A LOT EASIER TO JUST HAVE EXECUTIVE MEET WITH THE WEST PENN CITY COUNCIL AND, UH, YEAH, AND THAT'S FINE. 
          I MEAN, I CERTAINLY CAN CALL THE MAYOR TONIGHT AND IF I BELIEVE THE COUNTY BOARD CHAIRMAN WAS COPIED ON THIS EMAIL THREAD, SO YOU CAN CERTAINLY RESPOND THAT WAY AS WELL. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I DO, I CERTAINLY THINK THAT CITY COUNCIL IS INTERESTED IN A SOLUTION. 
          UM, THEY, THEY WANT TO SEE A SOLUTION, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT GETTING INFORMATION LIKE THIS, THEY'RE NOT SEEING ANY OF THIS STUFF. 
          UM, I MEAN CERTAINLY THIS EXPLANATION IS 
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NO ILLUMINATING, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          QUESTION PLEASE. 
          YES, SIR. 
          UM, I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING IN HERE REGARDING THE VILLAGE OF GERMANTOWN. 
          IS THERE NOT A SITUATION THERE TO, TO BE ADDRESSED WITH THIS LEAD THING? THAT IS CORRECT. 
          UH, VILLAGE OF GERMANTOWN, UH, VILLAGE OF JACKSON SAID THEY DON'T HAVE ANY. 
          AND THE, UH, VILLAGE SLINGER I THINK HAD THREE POTENTIAL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          IT WAS VERY, VERY FEW. 
          SO POTENTIAL, NOT, NOT NECESSARILY KNOWN. 
          SO WE, WE HAVE THAT DATA, WE HAVE IT IN CONTACT WITH THEM. 
          SO WE, WE ARE GATHERING MORE DATA AND KIOSK ORIGINALLY DIDN'T HAVE ANY AND THEN IT WENT TO SIX, NOW IT'S AT 10 OR 11, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          SO, UM, IT'S A WORK IN PROGRESS FOR THE MUNICIPALITIES FOR SURE. 
          THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION SUPERVISOR, TYSON. 
          SO MAYBE JUST A ALSO A POINT OF CLARIFICATION. 
          I WAS ASKING, DO YOU NEED CONSENSUS FOR COUNTY EXECUTIVE TO GO TO SCU AND JUST SAY, HEY, ARE YOU INTERESTED? OH, I'M SORRY. 
          AND CAN WE DO BOTH AT THE SAME TIME? UM, CAN THAT OCCUR WHILE WE'RE HAVING A SPECIAL MEETING WITH THE COUNCIL? I WOULD THINK SO. 
          IS THERE ANY DISAGREEMENT? NO, THIS IS SUCH A LOW DOLLAR AMOUNT. 
          I MEAN, IF IT'S FIVE LEAD LATERALS AND IS IT THE CITY SIDE OR THE PRIVATE SIDE? WELL, EVEN IF WE ASSUME IT'S THE FULL AMOUNT AT IT'S A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS. 
          YEAH, I MEAN IT'S A A HUNDRED THOUSAND'S A LOT OF MONEY, BUT IT, RELATIVE TO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, IT'S AND RELATIVE TO THE HIGHWAY 45 PROJECT, IT'S YEAH. 
          PENNIES, . 
          YEAH. 
          SO I, WE COULD CERTAINLY GET MOVING ON THAT AND LET THEM KNOW. 
          I MEAN, THE KEY IS TO LET THEM KNOW SO THEY CAN, THE CONTRACTORS ACTUALLY TAKE THE STINKING PIPES OUT , RIGHT? YEAH. 
          AND THEN WE CAN FIGURE OUT THE ADMINISTRATIVE GRANT PROCESS AND PAPERWORK AFTER THE FACT. 
          CORRECT. 
          I MEAN, THE CRUX OF THE MUNICIPAL PART OF THE 2050 PLANS WHERE IF YOU'RE GONNA TEAR UP THE ROAD, DO THE UTILITY UNDERNEATH AT THE SAME TIME SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO TEAR UP THE ROAD AGAIN LATER. 
          MAKES PERFECT SENSE. 
          YEAH, YEAH, OF COURSE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND PLANS CHANGE, RIGHT? I MEAN, YOU, YOU ADOPT A PLAN AND AS SCOTT SAID, OH, WE GOT A GRANT FOR COUNTY HIGHWAY HI GUESS THAT ONE'S GETTING MOVED UP. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, PARADISE DRIVE. 
          OH, WE GOT TIFF MONEY FOR DOWNTOWN, WE'RE GONNA DO THAT INSTEAD. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL THAT'S, THAT'S LIFE. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S GOVERNMENT . 
          SO DO YOU HAVE ENOUGH CONSENSUS HERE? AGREEMENT? I THINK SO. 
          I'M GOOD. 
          OKAY, GOOD. 
          AND WE'RE, ARE YOU, SCOTT'S GONNA REPORT TO PUBLIC WORKS TOMORROW NIGHT AS WELL, TOMORROW. 
          SO PUBLIC WORKS COMMITTEE WILL GET A DEBRIEF AS WELL. 
          OKAY. 
          OUR NEXT ITEM IS DEFENSE FOR MAINTAINING ASSESSED VALUE. 
          CITY OF HARTFORD, WALMART. 
          I BELIEVE THAT'S YOU ALSO AS YOUR EXECUTIVE. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. 
          UM, SO IN YOUR PACKET, I BELIEVE IS AN EMAIL, UM, THAT I WAS SENT SOME TIME AGO FROM THE CITY ADMINISTRATOR IN HARTFORD. 
          UM, YOU 
          [e. Defense for Maintaining Assessed Value – City of Hartford Walmart]
MIGHT REMEMBER, UM, SOME YEARS BACK THERE WAS A BIG, UH, PUSH FOR, UH, CLOSING THE DARK STORE LOOPHOLE, IF YOU REMEMBER THAT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND IT'S REALLY, IT HASN'T REALLY GONE AWAY. 
          THE LOOPHOLE IS NOT CLOSED. 
          UM, THERE HAS BEEN SOME REFORMS MADE, BUT IT'S STILL A CHALLENGE. 
          AND SO MUNICIPALITIES ARE, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THAT EMAIL, STILL FIGHTING THE CASES AT THE MUNICIPAL LEVEL, UM, ON THESE ASSESSMENTS. 
          IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, IT LOOKS TO ME AS IF THAT EXPENSE OF THE LEGAL DEFENSE IS GETTING PRETTY SIGNIFICANT. 
          AND THE CITY ADMINISTRATOR DECIDED TO SEND IN THAT EMAIL TO, UH, ALL OF THE TAXING JURISDICTIONS ASKING US ALL TO KICK IN MONEY TO THE, ESSENTIALLY THE LEGAL DEFENSE FUND. 
          UM, FOR THE PURPOSE OF, OF FIGHTING THIS DARK STORE LOOPHOLE. 
          UM, IN THE SPECIFIC CASE OF WALMART, UM, I, I TALKED TO THE, THE MAYOR OF HARTFORD. 
          SHORTLY AFTER I GOT THAT EMAIL AT A CHIEF ELECTED OFFICIAL MEETING. 
          HE WAS UNAWARE, UH, OF THAT COMMUNICATION, UH, WHICH LEADS ME TO BELIEVE THE WHOLE CITY COUNCIL DOESN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT EITHER. 
          UM, SO RATHER THAN ME UNILATERALLY DOING SOMETHING, I THOUGHT IT WAS APPROPRIATE TO BRING IT TO THIS GROUP. 
          AND THE REASON I THOUGHT OF THOUGHT THAT WAS THIS ISN'T, WHILE THIS IS A REQUEST FOR ONE, ONE DARK STOLE LOOPHOLE FOR ONE COMPANY AND ONE MUNICIPALITY, IT'S WAY MORE COMPLICATED THAN THAT. 
          UM, NUMBER ONE, WALMART'S THE LARGEST EMPLOYER IN WASHINGTON COUNTY, UM, NUMBER TWO. 
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UH, AND, AND OF COURSE THEY'RE A GIANT CORPORATION IN AMERICA, SO THEY HAVE A TON OF MONEY BEHIND THEM. 
          UM, NUMBER TWO, THE WAY THAT PROPERTY ASSESSMENTS WORK IN WISCONSIN, IT'S AT THE MUNICIPAL LEVEL AND THEY WANT IT THAT WAY. 
          UM, WHAT THAT MEANS IS THEY HAVE THE, UH, UH, ACCOUNTABILITY FOR BORDER OF REVIEW PROCESS. 
          THEY HAVE THE ACCOUNTABILITY FOR THE ASSESSMENT PROCESS. 
          UM, THEY ALSO THEN HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY, UH, TO DEFEND THEIR OWN ASSESSMENTS. 
          IT IS NOT LIKE THAT IN MOST STATES. 
          IN MOST STATES, EITHER THE COUNTY OR THE STATE TAKE ON THAT RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE PURPOSES OF FIDELITY. 
          UH, YOU CAN IMAGINE WE HAVE 21 DIFFERENT ASSESSORS RUNNING AROUND THE COUNTY DOING 21 DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          UM, AND ALSO WHEN YOU GET INTO THESE CIRCUMSTANCES, THE STATE OR THE COUNTY HAS DEEPER POCKETS TO BE ABLE TO SUSTAIN LEGAL DEFENSE OF THAT ASSESSMENT. 
          WELL, THE MUNICIPALITIES HAVE MADE IT CLEAR IN WISCONSIN, THEY WANT THIS RES THIS ACCOUNTABILITY, IN MY OPINION. 
          THEREFORE, WELL, IF YOU WANT THE ACCOUNTABILITY, FINE, BUT THEN YOU ALSO GET THE RESPONSIBILITY, WHICH INCLUDES DOLLARS AND CENTS IN YOUR LEGAL DEFENSE. 
          UM, THIRD, IF WE TAKE THIS ONE ON, THIS IS ONE THERE ARE PROBABLY, I DON'T WANT TO EXAGGERATE, BUT THERE ARE PROBABLY HUNDREDS OF THESE CASES ACROSS THE COUNTY. 
          SOME OF 'EM ARE PROBABLY, PROBABLY RELATIVELY SMALL. 
          AND I MEAN A $500,000 HOME FIGHTING A CIRCUIT COURT CASE OVER LOWERING THEIR ASSESSMENT TO 400,000 OR SOMETHING. 
          AND SOME OF 'EM ARE WALMART. 
          UM, THERE ARE CASES RIGHT NOW I KNOW OF THE CITY OF WEST BEND IS FIGHTING FREIGHTER FOR THE NEW CLINIC. 
          CITY OF WEST BEND IS FIGHTING CEDAR COMMUNITY. 
          UM, THERE WAS THIS ONE, UH, THERE'S UM, SEVERAL MENARDS CASES. 
          THERE'S BEEN WALGREENS CASES. 
          IF WE GET INTO ONE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WOULD STOP US FROM GETTING INTO HUNDREDS OF 'EM, IF CERTAINLY OVER THE COURSE OF YEARS IT'LL BE HUNDREDS OR THOUSANDS OF THEM. 
          SO I THINK IT, THIS REALLY, WHILE IT CERTAINLY WASN'T THE INTENT, I ASSUME OF THE CITY ADMINISTRATOR TO OPEN THIS CAN OF WORMS, UM, I REALLY BELIEVE IF, IF THE COUNTY WANTS TO EVEN CONTEMPLATE SOMETHING LIKE THIS, YOU WE'VE GOTTA HAVE A MUCH MORE THOROUGH DISCUSSION. 
          AND I HAVEN'T RESPONDED. 
          'CAUSE THERE THERE'S NO RESPONSE OTHER THAN EITHER NO  OR IF YOU OPEN THIS, IT'S GONNA OPEN THE FLOODGATES. 
          SO I, AS COUNTY EXECUTIVE, I FEEL LIKE THIS IS A POLICY QUESTION THAT'S A LEGISLATIVE AS MUCH AS IT IS EXECUTIVE. 
          'CAUSE IT'LL OPEN THIS PANDORA'S BOX THAT WOULD COST US A LOT OF MONEY. 
          WHETHER IT'S BECAUSE WE DECIDE WE'RE GONNA GET INTO ALL THESE LAWSUITS OR BECAUSE WE START TALKING ABOUT COUNTY ASSESSMENT. 
          EITHER WAY, I MEAN, IT, IT, YOU'RE TALKING PROBABLY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. 
          SO MY RECOMMENDATION, UM, IS THAT WE SEND A LETTER TO THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL AND OBVIOUSLY RESPOND TO THE ADMINISTRATOR AND SAY, IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT COUNTY-BASED ASSESSING, WE CAN HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. 
          IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS, UH, WE'RE NOT, I WOULD SAY NO, BUT , WHATEVER YOU GUYS WANT TO DO, I SAY NO, . 
          UM, DO WE HAVE ANY SENSE FOR THE SECOND SENTENCE, NOT EVERY STATE ALLOWS A LOOPHOLE, BUT IN WISCONSIN IT IS ALLOWED TO BE USED, BUT IS BEING BATTLED IN COURT. 
          DO WE HAVE ANY SENSE FOR THAT STATUS? AND WE KNOW HOW NO, I, NO, THIS HAS BEEN BATTLED IN COURT. 
          IT'S BEEN BATTLED IN THE POLL BOOTH. 
          IT'S BEEN, I MEAN, THIS IS . 
          I MEAN, WE'RE PROBABLY GOING ON 10 YEARS OF THIS ARGUMENT. 
          YEAH. 
          BASICALLY WHAT IT, IS IT, WHEN I SAY DARK STORE LOOPHOLE, I GET, I'M SORRY, I WAS ASSUMING EVERYBODY KNEW I AND I SHOULDN'T HAVE SO ASSUMED THAT, UM, BECAUSE THE DARK STORE LOOPHOLE WHEN IT CAME TO THE COUNTY BOARD, I THINK SIX YEARS, 17, 18, YEAH. 
          SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          SO BASICALLY WHAT IT IS, IS A PLACE LIKE WALMART WILL FIGHT THEIR ASSESSMENT AND SAY, SHOPCO IS CLOSED AND DARK AND YOU'RE ASSESSING THEM THIS AMOUNT, BUT YOU'RE ASSESSING ME THIS MUCH HIGHER. 
          THAT'S UNFAIR. 
          THEY'LL FIGHT IT IN COURT. 
          AND THEY'VE OF COURSE GOT VERY GOOD LAWYERS AND THE RESOURCES TO FIGHT VERY WELL. 
          UH, AND THEY'LL GET THEIR ASSESSMENT LOWERED, COMPENSATE OR CLOSE TO RIGHT? AND OF COURSE, FOR THEM, THOSE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF ASSESSMENTS, YOU GET IT LOWERED BY 25%, YOU'RE SAVING PROBABLY TENS OF THOUSANDS OR HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS. 
          YOU DO IT THREE TIMES OVER IN ONE COUNTY. 
          I MEAN, 
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IT'S REAL MONEY. 
          SO THAT HAS BEEN HAPPENING FOR 10 YEARS PLUS. 
          THAT'S THE, THAT'S WHAT THAT SENTENCE IS REFERENCING. 
          OTHER STATES HAVE IN FACT CLOSED THE LOOPHOLE. 
          UM, PARTS OF IT HAVE BEEN CLOSED AT THE LEGISLATIVE LEVEL HERE IN WISCONSIN AND OTHER PARTS IT ARE STILL IN QUESTION. 
          SO I, I DON'T THINK THIS IS GETTING RESOLVED ANYTIME SOON. 
          AND TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, IN THE END, I DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND WHAT MUNICIPALITIES ARE ARE DOING. 
          I MEAN, ON THE ONE HAND, WE CERTAINLY SHOULD FIGHT FOR WHAT WE THINK IS RIGHT AND PROTECT THE PRO THE REST OF THE PROPERTY TAXPAYERS. 
          ON THE OTHER HAND, AT SOME POINT, IT'S THE RULE OF DIMINISHING RETURNS. 
          LIKE IF WALMART IS GETTING ASSESSED AT $10 MILLION AND THEY'RE FIGHTING FOR 8 MILLION AND THEY GET DROPPED TO 8 MILLION MOVING FORWARD, IT'S NOT LIKE THE CITY GETS ANY LESS MONEY. 
          THEIR LEVY IS THE SAME. 
          IT JUST GETS SPREAD OUT TO EVERYBODY ELSE. 
          I MEAN, SO I THINK THE LAW, THE LAW SHOULD GET CHANGED, BUT TO DO IT THIS WAY, I, AND TO THROW, KEEP THROWING MONEY AT LAWSUITS, I, I DON'T KNOW. 
          YOU COULD HAVE A LONG DEBATE ABOUT THAT, ABOUT THAT STRATEGY. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          I REMEMBER WHEN IT CAME UP WITH MENARDS A FEW YEARS BACK, AND IT DIDN'T HIT ME UNTIL IT WAS EXPLAINED THAT, OKAY, IF THEIR LEVY DROPS, THE CITY LEVY STAYS THE SAME. 
          SO EVERY HOMEOWNER IS GONNA PAY MORE TAXES. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          RIGHT. 
          EXACTLY. 
          AND THAT'S WHY, I MEAN, THERE'S CERTAINLY MERIT AND THEY SHOULD PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE, THEY SHOULD HAVE THEIR FAIR SLICE OF THE PIE. 
          BUT I MEAN, AT SOME POINT, UNTIL YOU, YOU SHOULD BE, WE SHOULD BE SPENDING OUR TIME AND ENERGY GETTING A LEGISLATURE AND ULTIMATELY A GOVERNOR TO SIGN IT, UM, SPENDING MORE AND MORE AND MORE MONEY ON LAWSUITS. 
          I, THERE'S, WE SHOULD DO IT TO A POINT. 
          YOU JUST HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD. 
          THIS IS A STATE LEGISLATURE ISSUE. 
          IT'S, AND UNTIL THEY FIX IT, THIS PROBLEM'S GONNA KEEP GOING. 
          YOU KNOW, I, I REMEMBER WHEN MEYER BUILT AND THE STORE HAD BARELY OPENED THEIR DOORS WHEN THEY FILED DARK STORE, AND THEY'RE IN A TIF DISTRICT. 
          RIGHT? SO, UM, AS FAR AS THIS, YOU KNOW, INITIALLY WHEN I READ IT, I THOUGHT, OKAY, THAT'S NOT THAT MUCH MONEY. 
          BUT THEN THINKING ABOUT THE ISSUE OF THE CITY CHOSE TO OWN THE ASSESSMENTS, WELL THEN THEY HAVE TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEM. 
          SO I AGREE. 
          I WOULD SAY THE SAME THING. 
          AND THAT REMINDS ME OF THE WHOLE SHARED REVENUE THING. 
          I MEAN, THE STATE CREATED THE PROBLEM WITH, YOU KNOW, LIMITING STUFF AND . 
          SO IT IS A STATE PROBLEM, NOT A WASHINGTON COUNTY PROBLEM SUPERVISOR. 
          YEP. 
          SUPERVISOR. 
          MARY, ARE YOU IN AGREEMENT? INCUR? OKAY. 
          UM, WE WILL PUT TOGETHER A LETTER, YOU AND I AND, OKAY, VERY GOOD. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. 
          OUR NEXT ITEM IS THE STRATEGIC PRIORITIES, WHICH IS ALSO YOU. 
          CORRECT? YES. 
          I'VE GOT OBJECT LESSONS THIS TIME, SO I GOTTA STAND. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, HOW 
          [f. Washington County Strategic Priorities for 2024-2025]
WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO THROUGH THESE? JUST ONE BY ONE? SURE. 
          FROM THE, FROM THE TOP, SO TO SPEAK. 
          UM, SO WITH YOUR PERMISSION, UM, NEXT GENERATION HOUSING, SINCE IT WAS, IT WAS DISCUSSED AND DEBATED AT THE COUNTY BOARD MEETING, STARTING WITH THAT ONE SEEMS BEST AND I HAVE A, A FEW THINGS, UM, THAT I'D LIKE TO TOUCH ON. 
          UM, FIRST OFF, I, I WANNA, I WANT TO CONCUR WITH SOMETHING THAT SUPERVISOR GUNDRY SAID AT THE MEETING, UM, AT THE COUNTY BOARD MEETING. 
          AND THAT IS, UM, THERE ARE THINGS THAT HAVE CHANGED THAT ARE CHANGING, UH, AND WE NEED TO RE-LOOK AT THE PROGRAM. 
          THAT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT TRUE. 
          THAT'S A POINT OF HAVING IT AS AN INITIATIVE. 
          AGAIN, I COMPLETELY AGREE. 
          I ACTUALLY BELIEVE THERE'S PROBABLY MORE OPPORTUNITY FOR CONSENSUS, UH, THAN MAYBE THE HEAT OF THAT MOMENT ILLUSTRATED. 
          UH, AND I WOULD RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR AN OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH YOU ON THE SIDE TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THOSE THINGS. 
          UM, ABSOLUTELY. 
          BUT THAT BEING SAID, I, I DO HAVE A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT I THINK WILL START, UH, PLANTING FOOD FOR THOUGHT THAT MIGHT HELP THAT DISCUSSION. 
          UM, SPECIFICALLY, I'M VERY, VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE NUMBER OF HOTEL PROJECT OR HOTEL, EXCUSE ME, APARTMENT PROJECTS THAT I'M SEEING GO UP NOT, 
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AND I DON'T MEAN THIS FOR WASHINGTON COUNTY, I MEAN THIS EVERYWHERE. 
          MADISON, MILWAUKEE, HERE, AJA ADJACENT COUNTIES, WE ARE ACTING LIKE LOW COST, EVEN SUBSIDIZED RENT IS A SOLUTION TO OUR PROBLEM. 
          LOW, LOW COST SUBSIDIZED RENT IS OUR PROBLEM. 
          IT'S THE ANTITHESIS OF OUR, OF OUR SOLUTION. 
          IF WE GO DOWN THAT PATH, WE GET SUCKED INTO THE CONCEPT OF THE WORLD ECONOMIC FORUM WHERE YOU WILL OWN NOTHING. 
          THE ENTIRETY OF THE AMERICAN DREAM OF AMERICAN SOCIETY IS PRE PREDICATED ON PROPERTY OWNERSHIP. 
          AND IF WE DON'T START FROM THAT PREMISE, YOU ARE LITERALLY TAKING LIBERTY AWAY FROM PEOPLE OWNING THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY. 
          YOU KNOW, IF YOU GO BACK TO THE 17 HUNDREDS, OWNING THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN FREEDOM AND NOT, I WON'T USE THE OTHER WORD, BUT IT TRULY, IT TRULY IS, UM, THE ESSENCE OF THE AMERICAN DREAM. 
          I SAY THAT BECAUSE THE, I WANT TO GIVE YOU A COUPLE OF ILLUSTRATIONS IN AN AMERICAN HISTORY THAT POINT TO WHY THE PATH WE'RE GOING DOWN IS THE RIGHT ONE. 
          BUT LIKE SO MANY OTHER THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE AND WE'VE TRIED, WE PILOT IDEAS, UH, PROTOTYPES JUST LIKE A COMPANY, AND YOU CHANGE THE PROTOTYPE AS YOU GO, YOU DON'T USE, ALMOST NEVER DO YOU USE THE SAME FIRST PROTOTYPE, PROBABLY NEVER THE SAME FIRST PROTOTYPE BY THE TIME YOU GET TO THE FIFTH OR SIXTH ITERATION. 
          SO LET ME WALK YOU BACK IN HISTORY, AND IF IT WASN'T FOR THIS HISTORY, I WOULDN'T BE STANDING HERE. 
          UH, SUPERVISOR GUNDRY WOULDN'T BE HERE. 
          SUPERVISOR SICE WOULDN'T BE HERE. 
          THE SHERIFF WOULDN'T BE STANDING HERE. 
          AND LET ME SHOW YOU WHAT I MEAN. 
          THIS IS A PICTURE OF MY SEVENTH GENERATION FAMILY. 
          THIS IS MY SEVENTH GREAT-GRANDFATHER. 
          THIS RIGHT HERE, I BELIEVE IS FOURTH GENERATION DRUM ON, ON RICK'S SIDE AND ASHLEY'S SIDE. 
          THEY'RE MUCH CLOSER RELATED THAN I AM. 
          BUT THE REASON I SHOW YOU THIS PICTURE IS BECAUSE, NOT BECAUSE I WANNA SHOW THAT WE'RE RELATED, ALTHOUGH WE ARE  , I'M, I'M, I'M THROUGH MARRIAGE, THROUGH MARRIAGE, THROUGH MARRIAGE, AND TO, AND REALLY ACTUALLY, SO AM I, MY, I'M, I'M RELATED THROUGH MARRIAGE 'CAUSE OF MY GRANDPARENTS WINDY WAY, UM, AND ADOPTION. 
          TO MAKE IT MORE COMPLICATED, THIS DOCUMENT IS THE, FROM THE UNITED STATES, UM, GENERAL LAND OFFICE. 
          YES. 
          THIS IS THE ORIGINAL HOMESTEAD OF THE GUND DRUM FAMILY, WHICH IS IN THE TOWN OF ADDISON AND NANO. 
          AND THE REASON I WANTED TO SHOW YOU THAT IS BECAUSE I WANT TO EXPLAIN TO YOU HOW IT WORKED, BECAUSE SOME OF YOU MIGHT ARGUE THAT IT'S SUBSIDIZED HOUSING. 
          THE WAY THAT THE GUND DRUMS AND HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF OTHER FAMILIES, INCLUDING SOME THAT ARE SITTING ON THAT SIDE OF THE TABLE, GOT TO THIS COUNTY, WAS THROUGH THE LAND ACT OF 1820. 
          AND IN THE LAND ACT OF 1820, IT WAS THE, WE WERE THE NORTHWEST TERRITORY AND THE UNITED STATES LAND OFFICE WAS SELLING LAND AND ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO MOVE WEST AND WANTING TO DEVELOP AND PROSPER THE, THE, THE COUNTRY AT THE TIME. 
          BUT THEY WERE SELLING THE LAND FOR A DOLLAR 25 PER ACRE. 
          OKAY? NOW YOU THINK, WOW. 
          YEAH, JOSH, THAT WAS 1820, A DOLLAR 25 THEN, BUT JUST WAIT A DOLLAR 25 THEN FOR THE 160 ACRES THAT MY SEVENTH GREAT EIGHTH GREAT GRANDPARENTS BOUGHT, COST THEM $200 FOR 160 ACRES. 
          NOW, IF YOU RUN THE MATH FORWARD ON INFLATION AND BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, TO TODAY, THAT SAME 160 ACRES UNDER THE LAND GRANT ACT OR THE LAND ACT WOULD COST $4,160. 
          IT'S PRETTY SIGNIFICANT AT BY INFLATION, RIGHT? . 
          CORRECT. 
          AND THE REASON YOU WOULD TAKE IT IS BECAUSE THE CURRENT MARKET, UH, WHEN I, WE TALKED TO FARMERS AT THE, UH, EGG LISTENING SESSION LAST WEEK. 
          THE CURRENT MARKET FOR AGLAND IN HARTFORD, ACCORDING TO SCOTT LOFI, IT'S ABOUT $10,000 AN ACRE. 
          SO THAT 160 ACRES WOULD BE WORTH ABOUT $1.6 MILLION. 
          MY MULTIPLE GREAT GRANDPARENTS BOUGHT IT FOR 4,160. 
          NOW, YOU CAN CALL IT SUBSIDIZED HOUSING OR WHATEVER THE HELL YOU WANT TO CALL IT, BUT ALL THEY HAD TO DO WAS BUY THAT LAND, BUILD A HOUSE ON IT, FARM IT, PAY THE TAXES, AND IT WAS THEIRS. 
          THAT WAS IT. 
          THEN FAST FORWARD ABOUT FOUR DECADES, TWO GENERATIONS. 
          AND I WANNA READ YOU SOMETHING 
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FROM, UH, THIS, THIS COMES FROM HISTORY.COM, PRESIDENT LINCOLN. 
          NOW WE'RE TALKING REPUBLICANS, PRESIDENT LINCOLN, THE FIRST REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT IN 1862. 
          SO TWO YEARS IN, WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CIVIL WAR. 
          HE AND THE REPUBLICAN CONGRESS PASSED THE HOMESTEAD ACT OF 1862. 
          NOW, EVERYBODY READS ABOUT THIS ONE IN SIXTH GRADE, BUT HERE'S THE THING ABOUT THE HOMESTEAD ACT OF 1862. 
          IT GRANTED, NOW THIS IS ALL WEST OF THE MISSISSIPPI RIVER. 
          IT GRANTED 160 ACRE PLOTS, SAME AS MY GRANDPARENTS GOT GREAT-GRANDPARENTS GOT JULY 4TH, 1861. 
          ABRAHAM LINCOLN IN HIS SPEECH SAYS THIS, TO ELEVATE THE CONDITION OF MEN, TO LIFT ARTIFICIAL BURDENS FROM ALL SHOULDERS AND TO GIVE EVERYONE AN UNFETTERED START AND A FAIR CHANCE IN THE RACE OF LIFE, WE SHOULD PASS THIS BILL. 
          EARLIER THAT YEAR, IN A SPEECH IN OHIO IN FEBRUARY OF 1861, LINCOLN SAYS, THE ACT IS WORTHY OF CONSIDERATION AND THE WILD, THE WILD LANDS OF THE COUNTRY SHOULD BE DISTRIBUTED SO THAT EVERY MAN SHOULD HAVE MEANS AND OPPORTUNITY, MEANS AND OPPORTUNITY OF BENEFITING HIS CONDITION. 
          NOW, HERE'S HOW THE, THE HOMESTEAD ACT WORK. 
          IT'S AN EVEN BETTER DEAL TO MAKE A CLAIM, A HOMESTEADER PAID A FILING FEE OF $18 TOTAL UNDER THE HOMESTEAD ACT. 
          THAT 160 ACRES COST THAT INDIVIDUAL 18 BUCKS. 
          TODAY'S DOLLARS, THAT WOULD BE 425 BUCKS. 
          TODAY'S MARKET, 1.6 MILLION. 
          YOU CAN CALL IT SUBSIDIZED HOUSING IF YOU WISH. 
          AND THE REASON I SAY THAT IS, IN, IN THIS CASE, THEY HAD ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS. 
          YOU HAD TO LIVE ON THAT LAND FOR FIVE CONSECUTIVE YEARS. 
          MM-HMM, . 
          AND YOU HAD TO HAVE NEIGHBORS THAT PROVED IT. 
          YOU HAD TO BUILD A HOME ON IT, OKAY? AND SUBSIDIZED HOUSING. 
          YOU NEEDED TO FARM THE LAND AND MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE LAND. 
          HOMESTEADERS HAD TO BE HEAD OF HOUSEHOLD 21 OF YOUR YEARS OF AGE, AND NOW YOU'LL APPRECIATE THIS. 
          THEY HAD TO CERTIFY THAT THEY NEVER BORE ARMS AGAINST THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. 
          I CAN IMAGINE WHY THEY, THEY NEEDED TWO NEIGHBORS TO ATTEST TO THE GOVERNMENT THAT THEY FULFILLED ALL THOSE REQUIREMENTS. 
          AND HERE'S MY FAVORITE PART. 
          UNION SOLDIERS COULD SHAVE OFF TIME SERVED IN THE CIVIL WAR FROM THEIR FIVE YEAR RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT. 
          I LIKE HOW LINCOLN THINKS. 
          I DIDN'T KNOW ANY OF THAT WHEN WE CREATED THESE PROGRAMS. I SWEAR TO YOU, THE POINT OF ME TELLING YOU THAT STORY IS WHAT I, I HAVE SPENT, I CAN'T EVEN EXPLAIN TO YOU HOW MUCH TIME TALKING TO PEOPLE ACROSS THE COUNTRY, THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF REALTORS, THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BUILDERS, THE WISCONSIN REALTORS ASSOCIATION, THE WISCONSIN BUILDERS ASSOCIATION, THE, I COULD GO ON LOCAL BUILDERS, LOCAL DEVELOPERS, LOCAL REALTORS, LOCAL LAND TITLE PEOPLE. 
          WE, WE HAVE TALKED AD NAUSEUM ABOUT THIS ISSUE AND WHERE EVERYBODY IS GETTING IT WRONG. 
          AND I MEAN, EVERYBODY THAT I'VE HEARD STARTING PROGRAMS IS THEY ARE FOCUSING ON MORTGAGE PAYMENTS OR RENT PAYMENTS, SUBSIDIZING THOSE THINGS. 
          THAT IS THE OPPOSITE. 
          LINCOLN SAID IT BEST. 
          WE NEED TO FOCUS ON JUST GIVE PEOPLE THE OPPORTUNITY. 
          THAT'S ALL YOU GOTTA DO. 
          GIVE 'EM THE CHANCE, AND THEY'LL DO IT ON THEIR OWN. 
          THEY'LL CREATE PROSPERITY BY THEMSELVES. 
          IT'S LITERALLY IN OUR MISSION STATEMENT. 
          ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY. 
          BUT HOW, ONE OF TWO WAYS, EITHER WE DO IT LIKE WE DID IN THE 1820S AND AGAIN IN THE 1860S, WHICH BY THE WAY, THE HOMESTEAD ACT LASTED UNTIL 1970. 
          WE, WE DONATE THE LAND. 
          I MEAN, IT'S LITERALLY WHAT'S GOING ON IN JACKSON RIGHT NOW, THOUGH? AND, AND STILL WITH ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE WE PUT IN, AND WITH ALL THE GOVERNMENT FEES THAT WE PUT IN PLACE AND THE REQUIREMENTS THAT THE VILLAGE HAS ON IT, THERE'S THOSE HOMES AT THE BOTTOM END ARE STILL SELLING FOR THREE 20. 
          THE TOP END, THEY'RE FOUR 20. 
          OKAY? SO LAND IS ONE THING. 
          IF WE WANT TO GO GET INTO THE BUSINESS OF FINDING SPOTS WITH MUNICIPALITIES AND BUYING LAND AND MAKING THAT THE PATH, THAT'S ONE WAY. 
          THE OTHER WAY IS MORE NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART. 
          I'M OPEN TO EITHER, BY THE WAY, BUT THE OTHER WAY IS MORE NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART. 
          AND THAT IS THE AVERAGE HOME IN A MUNICIPALITY WHEN YOU BUILD IT HAS 60 TO $90,000 IN HARD AND SOFT 
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REGULATORY COSTS. 
          OKAY? NOW THINK ABOUT THIS FOR A SECOND. 
          PERMIT FEES, INSPECTION FEES, WATER AND SEWER CONNECTION FEES, IMPACT FEES. 
          AND THOSE ARE JUST THE FEES. 
          YOU CAN GET ANYWHERE FROM SEVEN TO $12,000 PER HOME NOW IN THE HOMES IN THIS PRICE RANGE, OKAY? IF YOU BUILD A BIGGER HOME, YOU CAN OBVIOUSLY GET HIGHER FEES. 
          THOSE ARE JUST THE FEES. 
          NOW, THINK ABOUT REQUIREMENTS FOR ZONING. 
          IF YOU REQUIRE A THIRD OF AN ACRE LOT INSTEAD OF A QUARTER ACRE LOT, THAT MEANS YOU CAN GET A LOT MORE LOTS IF YOU GO DOWN TO A QUARTER ON ONE PIECE OF LAND, WHICH MEANS YOU CAN S SIMILAR TO OUR CONVERSATION ABOUT PROPER TAX, YOU CAN SPREAD OUT THE COST, LOWER THE COST OF EACH LOT. 
          WELL, IF THE MUNICIPALITY MAKES YOU BUILD A THIRD ACRE LOT, THEY'RE ESSENTIALLY ADDING TO THE COST. 
          IF THEY MAKE YOU PUT SIDEWALK IN FRONT, ADDING TO THE COST, THE, THE PROP BUILT HOMES THAT WERE JUST BUILT IN HARTFORD, THAT SIDEWALK WAS REALLY THE MATERIAL DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SUCCESS AND FAILURE. 
          YES. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND THESE GUYS BUILT THE THING, LITERALLY, THEY CAME TO US AND SAID, IF, IF WE HAVE TO PAY FOR THAT SIDEWALK, IS THIS IS DONE, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          CURBS WHAT TYPE OF CURB YOU PUT IN. 
          DO YOU HAVE A 66 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY? HOW CLOSE DO YOU LET THAT HOUSE GET BUILT TO THE ROAD? I MEAN, THINK ABOUT THAT. 
          YOU BUILD IT. 
          AND JOHN IS IN THIS, IN THE INDUSTRY, IN THE BUILDING INDUSTRY, YOU KNOW, YOU BUILD THAT THING CLOSER, THAT'S THAT MUCH LESS DRIVEWAY YOU GOTTA BUILD. 
          THAT'S THAT MUCH LESS SEWER LINE YOU GOTTA PUT IN. 
          THAT'S THAT MUCH LESS LATERAL YOU GOTTA PUT IN. 
          THAT'S THAT MUCH LESS CONCRETE DRIVEWAY. 
          YOU'RE BUILDING ALL OF THOSE. 
          AND, AND MUNICIPALITIES LOOK AT ME LIKE I'M GOING NUTS. 
          BUT THE PROBLEM IS, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS STUFF, THEY, THEY HAVE A REQUIREMENT IN THAT SAME SUBDIVISION THAT YOU GOTTA PUT THIS FRAMING AROUND ALL THE WINDOWS. 
          WAS THAT AT A COUPLE GRAND? YEAH. 
          BUT, AND IT'S A COUPLE GRAND. 
          BUT YOU ADD, START ADDING THOSE THINGS TOGETHER. 
          I MEAN, THIS IS REAL MONEY. 
          WHEN, WHEN I SAY GOVERNMENT REGULATIONS AND FEES, THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. 
          NOW, I SAY ALL THAT AND I WILL, I WILL DEFEND MUNICIPALITIES IN, IN THIS WAY AND IN THIS WAY ONLY, UH, I KID. 
          BUT THOSE PERMIT FEES, BECAUSE OF LEVY LIMIT RESTRICTIONS, THOSE PERMIT FEES ARE LIFEBLOOD FOR THEM. 
          THEY CANNOT THINK THREE OR FOUR OR FIVE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD BECAUSE THEY CAN'T EVEN FIGURE OUT HOW TO BALANCE A BUDGET FROM YEAR TO YEAR TO YEAR. 
          AND THAT, AND THAT IS A CHALLENGE EVERY MUNICIPALITY IN THE STATE HAS. 
          OKAY? SO I'M NOT BEING CRITICAL OF THEM IN THAT REGARD NECESSARILY. 
          HOWEVER, IF WE TREAT THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE WE TREAT PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX OR OTHER EV ANY OTHER FEE WE DON'T LIKE, WE CAN SOLVE THIS PROBLEM. 
          BUT IT'S GOTTA BE THE TYPE OF THINKING THAT WE HAVEN'T DONE HERE SINCE 1862. 
          UH, OR 1942. 
          THE LAST TIME WE THOUGHT EVEN REMOTELY LIKE THIS WAS IN THE 1940S AND FIFTIES WHEN WE BUILT LEVITTOWN. 
          AND I MEAN, WE, AMERICA, WE'VE WALKED AWAY FROM THIS STUFF. 
          WE'VE REGULATED THE CRAP OUTTA EVERYTHING. 
          I MEAN, YOU CAN'T TAKE IT WITHOUT GETTING REGULATED, AND YOU ALMOST CAN'T, IT, IT IS REALLY SAD. 
          WE THOUGHT AT THE BEGINNING OF A 0% LOAN PROGRAM WOULD GET BUILDERS AND, AND DEVELOPERS IN THE GAME, LIKE CHEAP CAPITAL. 
          WHAT I CAN TELL YOU, THERE'S A LETTER IN YOUR, IN YOUR, UH, PACKET FROM AMERICAN COMPANIES, CRAIG SICO, THE CAPITAL ISN'T THE PROBLEM. 
          THEY CAN GET INVESTORS. 
          AND FOR THOSE WHO ARE LISTENING OR THOSE WHO ARE CRITICAL, WHO ARE SAYING, YEAH, IT'S THE GREEDY, GREEDY DEVELOPER OR THE GREEDY BUILDER CORPORATION MAKING ALL THIS MONEY, I CAN TELL YOU, AND I'M, I'M SURE THESE GUYS CAN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE A 10% MARGIN AND YOU SAY, OH, 10%. 
          WELL, WHEN YOU CAN MAKE FIVE POINT HALF PERCENT ON A CD RIGHT NOW, YEAH, 10%, HOW ARE YOU GONNA GET YOUR INVESTORS TO INVEST IF YOU CAN'T GET A DECENT RETURN? WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT 20, 25%. 
          I, IF WE WANT TO EMPOWER THE PRIVATE SECTOR TO, TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM. 
          AND, AND THAT IS WHAT I WANT. 
          I DON'T WANT COUNTY GOVERNMENT IN THIS GAME, BUT IF WE WANNA EMPOWER THESE GUYS TO BE ABLE TO SOLVE IT, THEN WE'VE GOTTA TAKE THE HURDLES AWAY. 
          OR WE'VE GOTTA DO WHAT WE DID IN THE 1820S AND THE 1860S AND GRANT THE LAND TO MAKE IT HAPPEN. 
          THAT'S IT. 
          THERE ISN'T ANOTHER SOLUTION. 
          THERE'S NO SILVER BULLET SOMEWHERE. 
          UH, IF THERE WAS, WE WOULD'VE SOLVED IT LONG AGO. 
          THE TRUTH IS, WE'VE, WE'VE SOLVED THIS ALL BEFORE. 
          IT WAS JUST PEOPLE THAT HAVEN'T BEEN AROUND FOR A REALLY LONG TIME, AND IT WAS PREVIOUS GENERATIONS. 
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WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN IMMENSELY BLESSED IN THIS COUNTRY. 
          WE HAVE SO MUCH PROSPERITY. 
          SOMETIMES I THINK WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HELL TO DO WITH ALL OF IT, BUT WE GOT A REAL CRISIS RIGHT NOW. 
          YOU DON'T, YOU CAN FLIP A PAPER OPEN ALMOST EVERY SINGLE DAY AND SEE HOW BAD THE HOUSING MARKET IS. 
          THERE WAS JUST AN ARTICLE ON SUNDAY, I THINK, IN THE WISCONSIN STATE JOURNAL BASICALLY SAYING, AND I, THIS IS THE THIRD ONE I'VE SEEN LIKE IT, THE INFLATION RIGHT NOW IS REALLY THE HOUSING MARKET, AND THAT'S IT. 
          RENTS ARE GOING UP LIKE CRAZY. 
          UH, OBVIOUSLY EVERYBODY KNOWS THE INTEREST RATES ARE GOING UP LIKE CRAZY. 
          THAT IS WHAT IS KILLING US. 
          AND IT'S BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T BUILT NEW HOMES SINCE 2008. 
          WE JUST HAVEN'T DONE IT. 
          AND, AND WE CAN GET INTO HOURS OF TALKING ABOUT THE REGULATION THAT CAUSED THAT, BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS, IF WE WANNA SOLVE IT, THOSE ARE THE TWO, TWO THINGS TO DO. 
          I'LL GET OFF MY SOAPBOX. 
          I ENCOURAGE YOU TO READ THIS LETTER, UH, FROM CRAIG SIKA, CEO OF AMERICAN COMPANIES. 
          HE'S SAYING EXACTLY THE SAME THING. 
          I CAN TELL YOU FROM THE VERY START, THE NEW NEWMAN COMPANIES, MATT NEWMAN TOLD ME EXACTLY THE SAME THING. 
          UH, I'VE ALSO INVITED TONY AND NATE, UH, FROM A AND N. 
          UH, THEY CONSTRUCTED THE HOMES THAT ARE GOING UP IN, IN HARTFORD ON THE NORTHWEST SIDE OVER BY THE AIRPORT. 
          UH, YOU'LL HEAR IN A SECOND. 
          THEY HAVE A VERY SIMILAR STORY. 
          I AM ALL FOR A SECOND PILOT PROJECT. 
          I'M ALL FOR BUILDING A NEW PROTOTYPE. 
          BUT WE HAVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THOSE ARE THE TWO ISSUES. 
          AND IF WE TRY TO DO SOME OTHER KIND OF SOLUTION, WE ARE GONNA BE SUBSIDIZED HOUSING. 
          WE ARE GONNA DO WHAT MILWAUKEE IS DOING AND BUILDING RENTALS THAT ARE SUBSIDIZED, OR MADISON IS DOING, I RENTALS CANNOT BE OUR SOLUTION. 
          IT'S GOTTA BE HOME OWNERSHIP. 
          SO WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO, WITH YOUR PERMISSION, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'D LIKE TO TURN IT OVER TO TONY AND NATE AND LET THEM GIVE YOU FIRSTHAND, UM, KNOWLEDGE AND, AND CERTAINLY OPEN FOR QUESTIONS. 
          IS THAT OKAY WITH YOU? SURE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNTY EXECUTIVE SHOWMAN. 
          UM, GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYBODY. 
          UH, LEMME BEGIN BY INTRODUCING MYSELF. 
          I'M TONY RE AND MY PARTNER H JOHN KVI. 
          UH, WE ARE THE OWNERS OF A AND N CONTRACTING. 
          UH, WE ALSO FIRST WANNA THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE FOR WASHINGTON COUNTY AND GIVING US THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE HOUSING SITUATION IN IN WASHINGTON COUNTY. 
          UM, IF YOU'RE UNAWARE, NATE AND I WERE ASKED TO TAKE ON A PILOT PROJECT FOR THE NEXT GEN HOUSING. 
          WE PROUDLY ACCEPTED AND HAVE SOLD OUR FIRST TWO HOMES AS COUNTY EXECUTIVE HAD SAID. 
          UM, AND THOSE ARE IN SKYWAY PARK SUBDIVISION. 
          AND HOW MUCH WE SOLD THOSE FOR 3, 3 19 9, UM, WHICH WE'LL GET INTO WAS A CHALLENGE. 
          UM, WE, WE WERE PROUD TO BE ASKED TO DO THIS AND, AND WE ARE ALL BEHIND ALL THIS. 
          BUT AGAIN, IT HAS TO FINANCIALLY MAKE SENSE, RIGHT? OR WE DON'T STAY IN BUSINESS. 
          SO WHAT, UH, WE ARE CURRENTLY CONSTRUCTING TWO MORE CURRENTLY BEYOND THE TWO THAT WE BUILT AND HAVE NOW SOLD, AND WE'LL HAVE SEVEN TOTAL IN THIS PILOT PROGRAM. 
          UM, WHAT WE QUICKLY REALIZED WAS, UH, WHEN WE FINISHED UP FOR THE FIRST TWO HOUSES, WAS THE MAJOR VARIABLES AFFECTING THE HOME SALES PRICE SET BY THE NEXT GENERATION INITIATIVE. 
          SOME OF THESE VARIABLES ARE THE GOVERNMENTAL FEES SUCH AS SEWER AND WATER HOOKUPS. 
          UM, I HAVE, I, I BROUGHT, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY WANTS TO SEE, BUT THIS IS A, A FEE SCHEDULE TO THE TUNE OF $7,351. 
          THAT IS JUST OUR HOOKUP FEE. 
          UM, AND REC FEES AND PARKING REC FEES. 
          UH, MO MOST PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE THIS. 
          UH, WHEN WE TELL THEM THAT OUR TOTAL PACKAGE FOR THE HOUSING BUILDING PERMIT IS CLOSE TO $11,000, THAT IS A HUGE FEE FOR US TO TAKE ON. 
          AND WE'RE ALSO DOING A CONDO, UM, DEVELOPMENT AS WELL. 
          TIMES THAT BY TWO, WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT 22 TO $23,000 FOR FEES. 
          UM, ALSO REQUIREMENTS SET BY LOCAL MUNICIPALITIES SUCH AS SIDEWALKS, AS YOU ALLUDED TO, UM, STREET TREES, SQUARE FOOTAGE OF HOMES, THE SIZE OF THE HOUSE, THE, THE, THE LOTS THE SIZE OF LOTS IS A THIRD ACRE, QUARTER ACRE. 
          ALL OF THESE THINGS IMPACT US, UH, INCLUDING FACADE REQUIREMENTS AND MORE LAND ALSO, WHICH IS ANOTHER EXTREMELY HUGE VARIABLE HERE, ACTUALLY PROBABLY ONE OF THE TOP ONES IS THE COST OF LAND AND TRYING TO ACQUIRE 
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LAND, UM, HARTFORD'S IN A SITUATION WHERE THEY'RE RUNNING OUT. 
          I DON'T THINK THERE'S VERY MUCH LEFT, UH, TO PURCHASE. 
          AND IF THERE IS, UH, AND YOU KNOW ABOUT IT, LET ME KNOW. 
          I'D LOVE TO PURCHASE IT AND CONTINUE DOING THIS INITIATIVE. 
          UH, SO AFTER LISTING THESE, UH, TWO HOMES UNDER THE NGH, IT IS CLEAR THAT THE DEMAND IS STRONG HERE IN WASHINGTON COUNTY. 
          THE, THE AMOUNT OF CALLS, UH, NATE IS A, IS A REALTOR. 
          HE, HE TAKES IT ON. 
          AND, AND WITHOUT HIM TAKING ON THAT, ONE OF THE REASONS HE BECAME A REALTOR IS BECAUSE, AGAIN, THAT'S ANOTHER FEE. 
          UH, THEY SET IT AT 4%, BUT 4% OF A $319,000 HOUSE IS, I BELIEVE IT'S IN THE TUNE OF $12,000. 
          THAT'S, SO TAKE YOUR IMPACT FEES, YOUR, YOUR BUILDING PERMITS, THAT'S 11,000, 12,000 FOR THE REALTOR FEES. 
          AND YOU CAN QUICKLY SEE, TRYING TO GET TO A THREE 19,000, $319,000 HOUSE IS VERY TOUGH TO DO. 
          UM, SO IN ORDER TO DRIVE INTEREST AND KEEP CONTRACTORS LIKE US MOVING FORWARD WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF LAND AND SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, THE GOVERNMENTAL FEES SHOULD BE LOOKED AT. 
          UM, WE ARE HOPING YOU CONSIDER AND CONSIDER REDUCING AND ASSISTING IN THE PERMIT AND IMPACT FEES. 
          THESE COULD BE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE SUCCESS OR FAILURE OF THE HOUSING INITIATIVE IN WASHINGTON COUNTY. 
          SO HOPEFULLY WITH THE CONSIDERATION OF THE LOCAL AND COUNTY GOVERNMENTS, WE CAN WORK TOGETHER TO ACCOMPLISH GREAT THINGS WHEN IT COMES TO THE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES. 
          WITHOUT THIS, THIS NEXT GENERATION HOUSING, I I'LL TELL YOU, UH, AT THE GROUND LEVEL IS NOT GOING TO SUCCEED. 
          UM, IF, IF, IF WE, WE DON'T SEE THE ADAPTIVENESS OF, OF GOVERNMENT WITH THE FEES, WITH, WITH INFLATION, WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, MATERIALS GO UP EVERY YEAR, THREE TO 5%. 
          SHINGLES IS ONE OF 'EM. 
          THEY MIGHT GO UP FOUR TIMES IN A YEAR. 
          AND WITHOUT, WITHOUT THE HELP AND PEOPLE ASSESSING AND UNDERSTANDING THAT WE'RE NOT HERE, WE'RE NOT MAKING, WE, WE COULD ELIMINATE GOVERNMENT AND WE COULD MAKE OUR 15 TO 20% IN THE GIVEN MARKET, OKAY? IF, IF WE CONTINUE AND WANT TO DO THIS PRO PROJECT, AND NATE AND I BACK THIS PROJECT WHOLEHEARTEDLY, WE LOVE, WE'RE WASHINGTON COUNTY RESIDENTS. 
          WE LOVE THIS COMMUNITY. 
          UH, BUT WITHOUT, WITHOUT THE ADAPTEDNESS OF GOVERNMENT AND TAKING A SERIOUS LOOK AT WHERE WE'RE AT, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS. 
          BECAUSE AT FIVE TO 8% MARGIN FOR US TO STICK OUR NEXT L FOR $300,000 ISN'T WORTH IT. 
          UH, WE'D RATHER DO IT PRIVATELY. 
          UH, AND THEN COMING INTO DEVELOPING LANDS, LANDS IS ANOTHER ONE THAT WE REALLY HAVE TO TAKE A HARD LOOK AT BECAUSE ACQUIRING LAND AND THE LAND COST, UM, IS GOING TO DICTATE HUGELY WHAT THE COST OF THAT HOME IS GOING TO BE. 
          YOU KNOW, I THINK IN JACKSON IT'S 18,000, ROUGHLY FOR THE LOTS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          OUR COST WAS CLOSE TO 40,000 IN HIS PILOT PROGRAM PER LOT. 
          SO JUST, AND THAT'S CHEAP. 
          THAT'S CHEAP. 
          AND, AND, AND WE WERE TOLD YOU FIND ANY LAND AT 40,000 FOR, YOU KNOW, I THINK THEY RANGE ANYWHERE FROM CLOSE TO A QUARTER ACRE ON UP TO ALMOST, WHAT IS IT, A THIRD OR THIRD? THIRD ACRES IS THE BIGGEST ONE. 
          UM, YOU BETTER IF, IF YOU FIND THAT PRICE, YOU BETTER GOBBLE IT UP. 
          AND, AND WE'RE FINDING THAT'S EXTREMELY TRUE. 
          UH, I, I CALLED A GUY WHO DOESN'T HAVE IT FOR SALE, AND HE'S GOT IT ALL SET UP. 
          HE WANTS A HUNDRED TO $125,000 A LOT, THREE BLOCKS AWAY. 
          SO WITHOUT, WITHOUT SOME TYPE OF ASSISTANCE, UH, WHETHER IT IS THE LAND OR IT IS THE FEES, UM, THIS PROGRAM IS, IS NOT GOING TO SUCCEED. 
          AND, AND, AND YOU WANT TO DRIVE CONTRACTORS, WE'RE, WE'RE SMALL, BUT YOU WANNA DRIVE ALL KINDS OF CONTRACTORS. 
          WE'RE LOCAL CONTRACTORS THAT WANT TO DO THIS. 
          YOU WANT TO BRING IN AND, AND THE TAX BASE THAT'S GONNA BE CREATED FROM ALL THESE HOUSES, WE'LL BE RECOUPED. 
          SO ALL WE'RE ASKING IS FOR SOME ASSISTANCE IN, IN KEEPING THIS GOING. 
          WE'RE, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT GREEDY PEOPLE. 
          WE'RE, WE'RE PROUD OF THIS COMMUNITY. 
          WE, WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO DO THIS PROGRAM. 
          HOUSING OWNERSHIP IS, AS EVERYBODY KNOWS, IS ONE OF THE MOST PROUD THINGS YOU CAN HAVE. 
          UM, SO THAT BEING SAID, I WANT TO, UH, THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO LISTEN TO US AND WE HOPE CONTINUING MOVING FORWARD WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF SUBDIVISIONS AND MORE OF THESE HOUSES UNDER THIS PROGRAM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YOU SEE LAND PRICING, UM, OBVIOUSLY PERMIT FEES ARE GONNA VARY FROM MUNICIPALITY. 
          MUNICIPALITY. 
          IS THAT THE SAME CASE WITH LAND PRICING TOO? I MEAN, YOU, LIKE YOU SAID, EVERY NOW AND THEN YOU'LL FIND A DEAL, THE $44,200, 168 ACRE DEAL. 
          BUT SO WE HAVE AN IDEA IN MIND. 
          I'VE TALKED TO EXECUTIVE SHOWMAN ABOUT THIS. 
          THERE, THERE'S A, A POTENTIAL CLOSE TO WHERE WE'RE DOING THIS. 
          SKYWAY PARK, UH, IT'S ALREADY SET UP. 
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SO THE PLUS SIDE IS THAT IT'S GONE THROUGH ALL THE RED TAPE OF, OF GOVERNMENT. 
          IT'S, IT'S GOTTEN, UH, THE OKAY TO PUT IN, I BELIEVE IT'S CLOSE TO 34 HOMES. 
          THE VARIABLES THERE BECOME, ALRIGHT, WHAT IS, WHAT IS THAT DEVELOPER WHO WE BOUGHT SKYWAY FROM? WHAT IS HE GONNA SELL US THE LAND JUST INITIALLY FOR? THEN IT BECOMES, WHAT IS THE CALL, WHAT ARE THE IMPACT FEES? WHAT, WHAT ARE, WHAT'S THE INFRASTRUCTURE GONNA COST US? SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS A MILLION DOLLARS FOR LAND AND A MILLION DOLLARS FOR, FOR, UH, THE INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          IT BREAKS DOWN TO 50, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S 35 HOMES, I THINK I DID THE MATH, IT WAS LIKE $57,000, AND THAT'S BREAKING EVEN. 
          SO NOW THAT'S ALMOST 20,000 MORE THAN WHAT WE PAID IN SKYWAY PARK. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S IMPOSSIBLE. 
          IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE. 
          AND, AND WE WOULD LOSE MONEY TO BUILD A HOUSE AT 3 19 9. 
          IT JUST WOULDN'T MAKE SENSE. 
          SO THAT'S WHERE, UH, WE NEED SOME ASSISTANCE TO KEEP THIS PROGRAM GOING. 
          ONE, ONE, ACQUIRING THE LAND. 
          AND, AND HOW DO WE DO THAT? IS, IS THE LAND SUBSIDIZED? BECAUSE I AGREE. 
          I DON'T THINK SUBSIDIZING RENTS AND, AND MORTGAGES IS THE RIGHT WAY TO GO. 
          I THINK. 
          I THINK YOU GET SOMEBODY IN A HOME, THEY'RE GONNA PAY THEIR TAX AND, AND THAT'S GONNA GO ON FOREVER FOR AS LONG AS WE ALL LIVE. 
          SO THE LAND IS A HUGE ONE. 
          UH, GOVERNMENTAL FEES IS, IS RIGHT NEXT TO IT AS, AS YOU CAN SEE. 
          AND, AND HERE, WHEN, WHEN I TALK ABOUT, UH, 11,000, ALMOST $11,000, AND, AND AGAIN, EACH MUNICIPALITY VARIES. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, I'VE HEARD, I'VE HEARD SOMEWHERE JUST, UH, JUST THEIR HOOKUP FEES ARE 10,000, SO 7,000. 
          SO, UM, A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THAT UNTIL THEY BUILD. 
          YEAH. 
          THEN I HAVE A KIND OF A FOLLOW UP QUESTION WITH THAT TO, TO YOU. 
          UM, JOSH, WE WERE, WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THE SAMARITAN, WE WERE LOOKING AT BUYING A LOT, CORRECT? YEP. 
          AS PART OF THE SALE AGREEMENT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , CAN WE DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT WITH THE HOUSING PROGRAM? YEAH. 
          I MEAN, IF WE BUY IT, WE COULD DO IT, GET IT CHEAPER PER ACRE FOR SURE. 
          AND THEN YES. 
          MAYBE ESTABLISH SOME KIND OF A WORK TO PAY OFF LIKE WE DO WITH THE LOAN PROGRAM. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND THEN JACKSON JACKSON'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT, UM, BECAUSE THE MUNICIPALITY HAPPENED TO OWN THAT LAND AT THAT TIME. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND THEY WERE IN A TIF DISTRICT. 
          THIS IS NOT IN A TIF DISTRICT, AND OBVIOUSLY THE MUNICIPALITY DOESN'T OWN THE LAND. 
          UM, IN JACKSON, THEY WERE ABLE TO, THERE'S, UH, DEED RESTRICTIONS ON THAT PROPERTY. 
          AND BASICALLY A PAYMENT MECHANISM HAPPENS TO BE FIVE YEARS AND YOU KIND OF HAVE TO EARN IT BACK, RIGHT. 
          UH, BY LIVING THERE RESIDENCE OR REQUIREMENT. 
          UM, SO THAT MODEL CAN DEFINITELY BE REPLICATED. 
          UM, I, I DO THINK THAT IS ONE OF THE TOOLS. 
          I MEAN, I, I'VE TALKED TO TONY ABOUT, YOU KNOW, DO WE LOOK AT SOME OF THE FIELDS LITERALLY RIGHT AROUND US HERE? UM, DO WE LOOK AT THE PROPERTY, UH, SOUTH OF US ON EAST WASHINGTON? I, I THINK ALL OF THAT DEFINITELY IS POSSIBLE. 
          UM, IT'S A, IT'S A PRETTY BIG PIVOT FROM WHAT WE STARTED WITH. 
          I MEAN, NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT. 
          IT'S A HUGE PIVOT. 
          UM, THE OTHER THING THAT YOU SHOULD KNOW, UM, IS, 'CAUSE USUALLY THE NEXT QUESTION IS, WELL, YOU KNOW, A $320,000 HOME, NOBODY CAN, NOBODY CAN AFFORD THAT. 
          WE ACTUALLY HAVE PROBABLY FIVE STUDIES ON THIS NOW. 
          IT'S KIND OF GETTING TO THE POINT OF RIDICULOUS, BUT WE KEEP TRYING TO KEEP IT UPDATED. 
          SO LOOKING AT THE MEDIAN HOUSEHOLD INCOME, YOU KNOW, I, I'VE, I'VE MET WITH A MOM WHO'S GOT A SINGLE DAUGHTER THAT'S TRYING TO FIND A PLACE TO BUY, AND I SAID, IT AIN'T HAPPENING. 
          LIKE, GOOD LUCK. 
          I, I, WE CAN'T EVEN BARELY SOLVE THIS. 
          LIKE, I, I'LL GET TO THAT IN A DECADE OR SOMETHING. 
          UH, THE MEDIAN HOUSEHOLD INCOME IN THIS COUNTY, UM, WHEN WE STARTED IN 20 21, 3 20 MADE SENSE. 
          IT WAS LIKE THE VERY TOP OF WHAT THE MEDIAN HOUSEHOLD INCOME COULD AFFORD AT THE, AT THE MORTGAGE WITH THE CURRENT INTEREST RATE. 
          WE'VE RUN THE NEW ANALYSIS ON THAT, AND THAT'LL, THAT'LL BE COMING OUT SOON, BUT IT'S CLOSER TO 3 35 OR THREE 40. 
          WELL, NOW YOU START PUTTING THE MATH TOGETHER. 
          IF WE CAN GET IT CLOSE TO 3 35, AND THEN WE CAN PAY FOR, YOU KNOW, PERMIT FEES OR MAYBE A CHUNK OF THE LAND COSTS. 
          NOW YOU'RE TALKING 3 45, 3 50. 
          I MEAN, NOW WE'RE IN THE BALLPARK. 
          NOW WE CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH GUYS LIKE TONY, WITH GUYS LIKE CRAIG. 
          THEY'RE SAYING, YEP, I CAN GET TO THAT 10% MARGIN AND, AND WE'RE THERE. 
          UM, BUT WE TAKE THAT STUFF OFF THE TABLE. 
          I MEAN, THE REASON I WANTED OUR FEES HERE IN THIS BUDGET PROCESS, IF YOU REMEMBER MM-HMM,  CUT IN HALF WAS BECAUSE, NOT BECAUSE IT'S A PANACEA FOR US. 
          I MEAN, PERMIT FEES ARE, THEY'RE NOT THAT BIG OF A DEAL FOR OUR BUDGET, RELATIVELY SPEAKING, BUT IT'S BECAUSE OF THIS, IT JUST SENDS A MESSAGE LIKE, THIS STUFF HAS TO STOP. 
          YOU HAVE TO STOP FUNDING OTHER 
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PARTS OF YOUR BUDGET WITH THESE FEES. 
          AND THAT'S, EVERY MUNICIPALITY IS DOING IT. 
          IT'S NOT HARTFORD, IT'S NOT NOT WEST BEND, IT'S NOT JACKSON, IT'S EVERYBODY. 
          AND THEY'VE BEEN DOING IT FOR 20 YEARS, . 
          SO I, YOU KNOW, IT'S A YES. 
          AND, UM, BUT IT CERTAINLY COULD START WITH, YOU KNOW, THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT TONY'S TALKING ABOUT IN HARTFORD, WE'D GO BUY THAT TOMORROW AND THEN PUT A DEED RESTRICTION ON IT LIKE WE DID IN THE 1860S. 
          BUT IS THAT, IS THAT THE PATH WE WANT? OR DO WE WANT TO TRY TO TACKLE THE PERMIT FEES? UM, I, I'M, I DON'T THINK WE'RE, YEAH, EXACTLY. 
          THE POINT IS IN THE STRATEGIC PRIORITIES DOCUMENT, AND WHEN LOIS AND I MEET AT SOME POINT, LIKE THAT'S THE CONVERSATION. 
          LIKE, WHAT ARE WE WILLING TO LIVE WITH? UM, WE KNOW WHERE THE CHALLENGES ARE. 
          I MEAN, AT FIRST IT WAS, I TALKED WITH BIG COMPANIES, I MEAN, BALINSKI AND BELLMAN AND NEWMAN AND THOSE FOLKS, AND THEY'RE LIKE, AND THEY'RE SAYING THE SAME THING. 
          AND I'M THINKING, OKAY, YOU GUYS GOT MORE, MORE THAN GOD. 
          LIKE, COME ON, . 
          WELL, AND THEY GOT MORE BUYING POWER, RIGHT? RIGHT. 
          SO THEY'RE GETTING THEIR PRODUCTS EVEN CHEAPER THAN WE ARE. 
          BUT NOW THAT WE'VE GONE THROUGH IT AND WE HAVE THAT PROTOTYPE, IT'S LIKE, NO, THAT'S, THAT THEY'RE RIGHT. 
          THAT IS WHAT IT IS. 
          IT'S THOSE TWO THINGS, AND THAT'S IT. 
          AND YOU GOTTA REMEMBER, AND TONY TOUCHED ON THIS, THERE'S A REASON NATE'S A REALTOR. 
          I MEAN, THAT HELPS THEM CLOSE THAT GAP. 
          BUT I CAN TELL YOU, WE, WE INVENTORY THESE COSTS. 
          EVERYBODY'S GOT THEIR FINGERS IN AND GOVERNMENT INCLUDED, RIGHT? REGISTER DEEDS, FEE AT THE END, REAL ESTATE TRANSFER FEE AT THE END. 
          LIKE EVERYBODY'S GOT THEIR FINGERS IN TO MAKING MONEY ON THAT THING. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A LONG WAY FROM 1862, BUT THIS IS THE KIND OF STUFF WE GOTTA BE WILLING TO TACKLE. 
          I, I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHAT THE RIGHT ANSWER WAS, BUT FOUR YEARS AGO, I HAD NO IDEA WHAT THE RIGHT ANSWER WAS. 
          I KNOW WHAT IT IS NOW. 
          IT'S JUST WHICH DIRECTION WE WANNA TAKE IT. 
          WELL, I THINK YOU'RE $340,000 PROBABLY REASONABLE. 
          I MEAN, IF YOU LOOK AT RENTS, OH, PEOPLE ARE GETTING, NOW, THEY'RE SO, MOST PEOPLE ARE PAYING MORE IN RENT THAN I PAY IN MY HOUSE PAYING. 
          WELL, AND THE SCARIEST PART IS, EVEN IF THEY'RE NOT, LET'S SAY, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE APARTMENTS IN WEST BEND ARE 1700 BUCKS, 1800 BUCKS, RENT CONE, SOMEWHERE IN THAT SAME BALLPARK. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S GREAT, BUT IF YOU'RE A 25-YEAR-OLD AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE EACH MAKING, YOU KNOW, 50 GRAND A YEAR, 25 BUCKS AN HOUR, HOW THE, HOW ARE YOU EVER GONNA SAVE FOR A HOUSE? WELL, AND, AND, AND I'LL SPEAK TO THE FIRST TWO HOUSES WE SOLD. 
          THE, THE, THE PURPOSE OF SELLING THOSE HOUSES WAS TO GET YOUNG PEOPLE INTO WASHINGTON COUNTY. 
          THE, THE TWO THAT WERE SOLD WERE SOLD TO, UH, I THINK IT WAS MID TO LATE TWENTIES. 
          AND THE OTHER ONE WAS A 22-YEAR-OLD, JUST RECENTLY MARRIED THE, I MEAN, IT GOES TO SHOW YOU WHAT, WHAT THOSE, WHAT TYPE OF HOUSING THAT'S GONNA BRING INTO SUPERVISOR FOR YOUR . 
          OKAY. 
          SO MY DISAGREEMENT IS NOT ABOUT THE FEES, PERMITTING FEES AND IMPACT FEES AND ALL THE THINGS THAT COMMUNITIES PUT ON IT AND THE COUNTY. 
          THAT IS NOT MY DISAGREEMENT. 
          MY DISAGREEMENT IS USING COUNTY TAXPAYER MONEY. 
          DID DID THAT, DID THAT GO DIRECTLY TO LOWER FEES ON EVERY ONE OF THOSE HOUSES? OH, RIGHT NOW, UH, COUNTY TAXPAYER MONEY IS ALL IN LOAN FORM. 
          CORRECT? THERE'S NO GRANTS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, NO, SO I'M TALKING ABOUT THE 7.5 MILLION. 
          SO 3 MILLION APPROXIMATELY WENT TO JACKSON Y IT WENT MOSTLY THE INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS THAT HE TALKED ABOUT. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, SO THE THING IS, THE THING IS, WE DON'T REALLY NEED THE TAXPAYER MONEY AT THE COUNTY LEVEL. 
          THE TAXPAYER MONEY WOULD NATURALLY COME FROM THE LOCAL, LOCAL MUNICIPALITIES REDUCING THEIR FEES. 
          THEY'RE, IT MEANS THAT THEY'RE GONNA SHIFT A COST OR REVENUE FROM ONE PLACE TO THE OTHER. 
          IT'S GONNA GO TO THE LEVY OF EVERYBODY THERE. 
          AND THAT'S MY DISAGREEMENT WITH, WITH NGH IS THE COUNTY IS REWARDING CERTAIN ONLY PARTICULAR COMMUNITIES, UH, WE'RE WE'RE PICKING AND CHOOSING WHO'S THE WINNER BECAUSE WE'RE, WELL, WE ONLY HAVE THREE. 
          RIGHT? OKAY. 
          BUT IF WE COULD CONVINCE EVERYBODY TO REDUCE ALL THEIR FEES AND SPREAD THAT THROUGHOUT THEIR ENTIRE TAX BASE YES. 
          IN THEIR MUNICIPALITY, SURE. 
          THAT WOULD SURELY REDUCE THE VALUE OF A HOME. 
          AND THAT'S WHERE MY DISAGREEMENT WITH THE WHOLE THING IS. 
          IS THAT, IS THAT, IS THAT, IS THAT, NO, I, I AGREE. 
          YEAH. 
          WHICH IS WHY WE MADE IT A LOAN PROGRAM AND NOT A GRANT PROGRAM INITIALLY. 
          YEAH, BECAUSE I DIDN'T, I TRULY DIDN'T KNOW WHERE THE PAIN POINT WAS. 
          WE KNOW NOW YOU ARE CORRECT. 
          HERE'S THE PROBLEM. 
          AND IT'S THE SAME PROBLEM AS PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX. 
          REMEMBER WHEN, FIVE YEARS AGO WHEN 
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PERSONAL PROPERTY YEP. 
          AND WE WE GOT RID OF THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL, WE GOT RID OF IT, BUT THE STATE SUPPLANTED IT. 
          YEP. 
          RIGHT. 
          THE STATE SUBSIDIZED THAT REMOVAL. 
          THEY DIDN'T GO AND TAKE IT FROM PROPERTY TAX PAYERS, AND THE MUNICIPALITIES WILL NOT BE ABLE TO DO IT BECAUSE THEY CAN'T FUNCTION THREE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD. 
          THEY'RE SO NIP AND TUCK ON THEIR BUDGETS BECAUSE OF TAX LEVY LIMITS, WHICH I'M IN FAVOR OF, BUT THEY AREN'T ABLE TO LET, LET'S SAY THE VILLAGE OF JACKSON, IT'S A $200,000 BUDGET LINE ITEM. 
          THEY CAN'T JUST ELIMINATE THAT AND, AND THEN MAKE UP FOR IT ELSEWHERE. 
          THEY CAN'T RAISE THEIR LEVY. 
          AND THAT'S MY DISAGREEMENT WITH THE WHOLE PROCESS IS WE CAN'T EFFECTIVELY HAVE A HUGE IMPACT BECAUSE IT WOULD TAKE SO MANY, SO MUCH MONEY FROM THE COUNTY TO HAVE THAT IMPACT THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR. 
          I, THE, THE COST OF A HOME IS GONNA GO UP BASED ON INFLATION. 
          WE CAN'T HELP THAT. 
          OR WE, WE CAN MAYBE, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I MEAN, IT'S A BIGGER PICTURE. 
          IT IS. 
          IT'S A REALLY BIG PICTURE. 
          IT'S A BIGGER PICTURE. 
          BUT WE CAN'T REALLY AFFECT THE REAL COST OF A HOME UNLESS, UNLESS WE HAVE IT IN THE IMPACT FEES, THE, THE PERMITTING FEES. 
          AND, AND IF THE COUNTY THINKS THAT WE CAN TAKE THAT ON AND HAVE A REAL IMPACT THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY. 
          WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T, WE, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO DO THAT. 
          WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T SOLVE IT FOR EVERYBODY FOREVER. 
          WE CAN PROVE THE POINT AND MAKE IT MAKE THE CHANGE. 
          WE JUST, WE WILL HAVE TO DO THE SAME THING WE JUST DID HERE. 
          WE'LL HAVE TO RUN A PILOT AND SHOW PEOPLE, LOOK, IT CAN WORK. 
          YOU COULD, YOU CAN MAKE THIS HAPPEN. 
          YOU COULD HAVE THIS EXACT CONVERSATION WITH DAN KENDO AND DEWEY STROBEL AND SAY, THIS IS EXACTLY HOW YOU CHANGE PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX FOR EX, JUST AS AN EXAMPLE. 
          WE COULD CHANGE IT THE SAME WAY WE ABSOLUTELY COULD. 
          NOBODY IS HAVING THIS CONVERSATION LIKE, WE ARE THE ONLY ONES HAVING THIS DISCUSSION AND WITHOUT, WITHOUT US STARTING THAT OLD PILOT PROGRAM, WHICH WAS A LOAN PROGRAM, WHICH WE'LL GET EVERY NICKEL BACK, WE WOULDN'T EVEN BE ABLE TO HAVE THIS DISCUSS. 
          WE'RE NOT GONNA GET THE 7.5 MILLION BACK. 
          ALL OF IT'LL COME BACK. 
          IT'S ALL 0% LOAN. 
          BUT THEY'RE ALL, IT, IT'S HAPPENING SO SMALL THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO A APPRECIABLY OVER OVER TIME. 
          WE'RE NOT REALLY AFFECTING MUCH OF ANYTHING. 
          THOU A THOUSAND HOMES IS IS A LOT. 
          WE'LL HAVE A HUNDRED. 
          WELL, WE'VE ONLY GOT, WHAT, 2020 PLANNED IN JACKSON? HOW MANY IN HARFORD? NO, NO. 
          WE HAVE WHAT, SEVEN IN HARTFORD? YEAH. 
          WE'RE DOING SEVEN. 
          AND WE WANNA DO MORE AND WITHOUT, WITHOUT THE HELP. 
          I MEAN, WE'RE, YOU WON'T GONNA BE ABLE TO STAY AT THE, YOU AREN'T GONNA BE ABLE TO STAY AT THE 3 19 9. 
          WHAT'S THAT? YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO STAY AT THE THREE NINETEEN NINE. 
          WE CAN'T. 
          WE CALL IT AFFORDABLE. 
          WE CAN, WE CAN'T EFFECTIVELY STAY AT 3 99. 
          EXACTLY. 
          EXACTLY. 
          THAT'S NOT THE BO THE BASEMENT ANYMORE. 
          SO IT'S A REALLY BIG DISCUSSION. 
          MUCH BIGGER THAN, MUCH BIGGER THAN THAT. 
          WE MIGHT BE RELATED . 
          WELL, I MEAN, NEITHER ONE OF US WOULD BE HERE IF NOT FOR THAT PROGRAM. 
          SO, , THAT'S, I DON'T, I DON'T AGREE THAT, THAT YOUR, YOUR ASSESSMENT OF THAT OR YOUR EXPLANATION OF THAT IS THE SAME THING. 
          I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT. 
          IT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT THE SAME. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, OKAY. 
          I'M GONNA, I WE CAN HAVE THAT CONVERSATION ANOTHER TIME, BUT I HOPE WE DO. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT THE, THIS IS WHERE MY, I'M COMING FROM THAT CAN'T APPRECIATE THAT APPRECIABLY CHANGE THE VALUE OF A HOME BECAUSE WE, IT'S BEYOND OUR CONTROL. 
          WE'VE JUST SHOWN WE CAN, SO I CLARIFY THIS FOR ME. 
          WHAT DO YOU MEAN EFFECTIVELY CHANGE THE, THE VALUE OF A HOME? VALUE OF THE HOME. 
          THE COST THAT YOU SEE. 
          YES. 
          SO YOU'RE SAYING THE PERMITTING AND THE IMPACT FEES ARE WHAT ARE KILLING YOU. 
          BUT DID WE TAKE THAT AND LAND? OKAY. 
          BUT WE DIDN'T BUY THE LAND. 
          THE COUNTY DIDN'T BUY THE LAND. 
          UH, YOU, WE HELPED. 
          YOU DIDN'T, BUT YOU HELPED THROUGH A, THROUGH A LOAN. 
          YES. 
          WHICH WILL BE PAID BACK DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR. 
          AND YOU KNOW, MY PARTNER NATE, BROUGHT UP SOMETHING GREAT. 
          WE, WE OBVIOUSLY WERE BRAINSTORM THIS BEFORE WE CAME IN TODAY. 
          ONE OF THE THINGS TO LOOK AT TOO, AND WE STILL WOULD NEED SOME ASSISTANCE, WHETHER IT'S THE IMPACT FEES OR WHATEVER, BUT SETTING THE PRICE OF THE HOME AT X AND THEN WHATEVER THE OTHER VARIABLE COSTS ARE, THAT'S WHAT THE PRICE OF THE HOME IS. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, SAYING THE HOUSE IS, YOU KNOW, OUR HARD COST IS X RIGHT? SOME CONSTRUCTION, CONSTRUCTION, UH, LIKE THE TRIM AND SIDEWALKS AND FANCY CURBS AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT, AND SIDE LOT SIZE, THAT ALL AFFECTS IT. 
          THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE MONEY FROM COUNTING TAXPAYER PAYERS. 
          THAT'S MY POINT. 
          AND WE'LL HAVE THAT BIG CONVERSATION. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LONG CONVERSATION. 
          IT'S, IT'S A BIG ISSUE. 
          YES. 
          MUCH BIGGER THAN THE STRATEGIC PRIORITIES OF 2024. 
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2025 . 
          EXACTLY. 
          E EXACTLY. 
          BUT I, I JUST WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S WHERE I'M COMING FROM. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          WE'VE, UH, WE'VE BEAT THIS TO DEATH. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, ALL AND I THINK IN OUR DISCUSSIONS, FIVE YEARS THINK YEAH. 
          THIS BE DECIDED BEYOND TONIGHT. 
          UM, SO WE'RE NOT YEAH. 
          ADOPTING, THANK YOU. 
          THESE STRATEGIC PRIORITIES. 
          WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS. 
          LOOK BACK AT OLD STRATEGIC PRIORITIES. 
          MY, MY ADVOCACY MR. CHAIRMAN IS TO KEEP THAT INITIATIVE ONE, UM, AND, UM, CERTAINLY TO KEEP IT ON HERE AND, AND HAVE THAT LONG DISCUSSION AS SUPERVISORY KRIEGER GUND DRUM ALLUDED TO, UM, THE INITIATIVE TWO, IRONICALLY IS CALLED HEART AND HOMESTEAD. 
          THAT WAS NOT MY IDEA. 
          UM, I GIVE THE CREDIT TO EPIC CREATIVE AND FUZZ MARTINS TEAM. 
          UM, THAT PROGRAM IS BEING ROLLED OUT IN APRIL. 
          YOU'RE GONNA NOTICE AS WE GO THROUGH THESE, UM, THE, THAT MANY OF THESE ARE WELL UNDERWAY. 
          SOME OF THEM ARE ALMOST COMPLETE. 
          UM, HART AND HOMESTEAD IS ONE OF THOSE PROGRAMS. UM, AND THAT IS ALSO SIMILAR TO THE HOMESTEAD ACT OF 1862, AN EARNED PROGRAM. 
          NOBODY CAN, NOBODY GETS SOMETHING FOR NOTHING. 
          IT'S A SECOND MORTGAGE THAT THEY HAVE TO PAY BACK OR EARN BACK, ONE OR THE OTHER. 
          UM, THE, I I'VE TALKED ABOUT THE SHARED PLANNER. 
          I, I WON'T GO THROUGH ALL OF THESE, BUT WHAT I'M GONNA ASK OF YOU IS, IN THE PAST, THE COUNTY BOARD BY AN BY A MOTION, HAS ADOPTED THIS DOCUMENT, AND THAT'S IT. 
          UM, THE ONLY OTHER TIME THEY DID SOMETHING DIFFERENT WAS IN 2013, THAT WAS BEFORE I WAS HERE, AND THEY, THEY HAD PICKED THE FIVE TOP PRIORITIES, AND THEN THE REST OF THE ITEMS REMAINED. 
          BUT THEY SAID, THESE ARE OUR FIVE BIGGEST THINGS AT THE TIME, ELIMINATING DEBT. 
          UM, I, I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE TO DO THAT TODAY, BUT THAT COULD BE A CONSIDERATION. 
          I, I SAID AT THE MEETING, AT THE COUNTY BOARD MEETING LAST WEEK, UM, THIS IS AMBITIOUS AND AGGRESSIVE. 
          IT IS. 
          BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE PREVIOUS DOCUMENTS THAT WE HAVE, IT'S NO MORE OR LESS AMBITIOUS OR AGGRESSIVE THAN THOSE HAVE BEEN. 
          UM, SO THAT, MY, MY ASK OF YOU TODAY IS, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S MORE DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT AT NEXT GEN HOUSING OR HOME HEART AND HOMESTEAD, OR EVEN THE WORKFORCE INITIATIVE, WHICH GOT SOME DISCUSSION AT COUNTY BOARD, IF YOU REMEMBER THAT, UM, I'D WELCOME THAT. 
          UM, AND CERTAINLY CONVERSATION AROUND, DO YOU WANT FIVE TOP PRIORITIES AND THEN EVERYTHING ELSE, OR IS A LIST ENOUGH? UH, AND IT, AS MENTIONED AT THE COUNTY BOARD MEETING, REMEMBER, THESE THINGS WILL GET INTEGRATED INTO OUR QUARTERLY REPORTS. 
          YOUR COMMITTEES WILL CONTINUE TO BE UPDATED. 
          I'M CERTAIN YOU'LL BE CHANGING THINGS AS WE GO. 
          UM, SO ON AND SO FORTH. 
          AND IF THESE THINGS ARE INCORPORATED INTO OUR STRATEGIC PLAN, EACH ONE BY ITSELF, WHEN WE NEED TO DO IT, SPEND MONEY FOR IT OR TAKE ACTION, WILL COME BACK TO THE COUNTY BOARD FOR RESOLUTION. 
          IF THERE'S A ACTION ITEM AND AN EXPENSE, A HUNDRED PERCENT, YES. 
          AND GENERALLY, I COME BACK ANNUALLY AND SAY, HERE'S WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THIS ONE. 
          HERE'S WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THIS ONE. 
          SO YOU GET AN UPDATE AS WELL, GENERALLY SPEAKING. 
          ANY CONCERNS OR DISCUSSION ON THIS? I'M GOOD. 
          GOOD WITH THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          SUPERVISOR MARY CONCUR. 
          , WE CONCUR. 
          HORSE IS DEAD. 
          PROFESSIONAL SERVICES. 
          RFP. 
          WHO'S PRESENTING ON THAT? OH, AARON. 
          NO. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, THAT WOULD BE MYSELF. 
          UM, THANK YOU. 
          UH, THROUGH THE COURSE OF, OF THE LAST, UH, A FEW YEARS, UH, WE'VE HIRED, UH, VARYING ARCHITECTURAL FIRMS FOR WORK AROUND THE COUNTY, AS YOU 
          [g. Professional Services RFP]
CAN IMAGINE. 
          UH, UPDATING THE MASTER PLAN, THE BOARDROOM, UH, REMODELING PROJECT. 
          THE ELEVATOR PROJECT, UH, GOING FORWARD. 
          UH, AND NOW AS WE LOOK INTO THE FUTURE, UH, WE GOT A COUPLE PROJECTS COMING UP, POTENTIALLY REMODELING THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, AS WELL AS A MASTER PLAN THAT THIS COMMITTEE HAS, HAS LOOKED AT BEFORE. 
          AND THE QUESTION CAME UP IS, UH, SHOULD WE GO THROUGH AN RFP PROCESS FOR THAT, A REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS? TAKE IT OUT TO MULTIPLE ARCHITECTURAL FIRMS, UH, GET PROPOSALS, REVIEW THE PROPOSALS, UH, AND THEN SELECT A FIRM, UH, BASED ON THAT, OR SELECT A FIRM BASED ON, UH, USING POTENTIALLY ONE OF THE THREE FIRMS THAT WE JUST HAD, UH, A GOOD EXPERIENCE WITH. 
          AND, AND MOVE THE PROJECT FORWARD. 
          ONES THAT HAVE EXPERIENCE IN OUR BUILDING, ESPECIALLY REALLY CLOSE TO THE AREA THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. 
          UH, BUT WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE, WE BRING THIS TO LIGHT TODAY. 
          AND ATTACHED TO YOUR PACKET IS THE, UH, THE POLICY, 
          [01:35:01]
UH, THAT WAS BROUGHT FORTH AND APPROVED BY THE COUNTY, UH, BACK IN 2019. 
          SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU SAW EVERY WORD FOR WORD, UH, NOTHING HIDDEN IN THERE. 
          THAT, UH, DEFINITELY THE POLICY LOOKS LIKE, UH, WE CAN CERTAINLY PUT PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, UH, GO THROUGH AND, AND SELECT A FIRM. 
          UH, BUT THERE ARE CERTAINLY, IF YOU LOOK AT THAT POLICY OF GOING OUT THERE AND, AND, UH, WITH BEING GOOD STEWARDS OF THE TAXPAYERS' MONEY GOING OUT THERE FOR THAT, THAT PROCESS, UM, OBVIOUSLY TIMELINE BECOMES AN ISSUE, BECAUSE TO GO FOR AN RFP, YOU HAVE TO CREATE THE RFP FIRST AND FOREMOST, UH, THEN SOLICIT THEM, AND THEN DO WALKTHROUGHS, UH, GET THEM IN, SCORE THEM, AND THEN THE CONTRACT STARTS. 
          SO IT COULD ADD, UH, SEVERAL MONTHS TO THE, THE PROJECT TIMELINE, UH, GOING FORWARD. 
          SO, BUT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU WERE AWARE OF THAT. 
          UH, AND IF YOU HAD A, A STRONG FEELING ONE WAY OR OTHER, UH, CERTAINLY IF, IF THIS BODY BELIEVES THAT WE SHOULD GO THROUGH THE RRP PROCESS FOR AT LEAST THE MASTER PLAN, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT LARGER PROJECT, OBVIOUSLY, THAN THE, THE SHERIFF REMODEL. 
          UM, ALTHOUGH WE'LL DO OUR, OUR BEST WITH THE SHERIFF'S PROJECT. 
          UM, BUT, UH, TO LOOK AT FORWARD AND SEEING, YOU KNOW, HOW WOULD YOU LIKE US TO PROCEED ON THAT? AND SO OBVIOUSLY WITH STAFF, WE'D LIKE TO KEEP THIS PROJECT MOVING ON TIME. 
          WE'VE HAD SOME GOOD EXPERIENCES AND, UM, TO SELECT ONE OF THE FIRMS AND MOVE FORWARD. 
          BUT, UM, WITH THAT, UH, IT'S KINDA A POLICY DECISION AS WELL. 
          INTERESTING. 
          UM, EVEN THOUGH THIS WAS WRITTEN IN 2019 ON THE LAST PAGE, WE STILL REFER TO THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR IN A COUPLE PARAGRAPHS, SO MAYBE WE SHOULD UPDATE THAT. 
          OOPS. 
          UM, BUT 2019, WE HAD A COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, SO WE DID 20, 20 WAS OH, 2020. 
          YEAH. 
          OH, THERE YOU GO. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I THINK WHAT WE'RE DOING MAKES SENSE, BUT I ALSO THINK WE SHOULD GENERALLY HAVE THE PROCEDURE IN PLACE, AND WHEN WE GET BIGGER PROJECTS, WE CERTAINLY HAVE TO FOLLOW IT. 
          ANYBODY ELSE WISH TO SPEAK? SO WE'RE HOW BOTH FOR THIS SPECIFIC PROJECT? WELL, I'M JUST TRYING TO WRAP MY HEAD AROUND THIS. 
          SO BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE BYPASSING THE BID PROCESS WITH THIS, RIGHT? AND IT'S, IT'S ALLOWABLE. 
          WELL, IT, IT, AND AGAIN, WITH PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, IT'S NOT REALLY A BID. 
          UH, USUALLY WHAT, WHAT WE DO FOR OUR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES IS, UH, WE'LL SOLICIT THAT, RIGHT? GET A BUNCH OF FIRMS COME IN HERE, THEY'LL WALK THROUGH THE BUILDING, THEY'LL DO A PROPOSAL FOR US. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , WE REVIEW THE WRITTEN DOCUMENT, RIGHT? WHO ARE THEY PROPOSING, RIGHT? WHAT ARCHITECT ARE THEY USING? WHAT'S THEIR EXPERIENCE, RIGHT? WE LOOK AT THAT FIRST. 
          THAT'S USUALLY ABOUT 75% OF THE POINTS THAT WE GIVE. 
          THEN WE HAVE, UH, WE SCORE THAT ALL FIRST, THEN WE HAVE A SEPARATE PACKET WITH THEIR FEES. 
          AND THEN, SO 25% BECOMES THEIR FEES. 
          SO YOU MIGHT NOT SELECT A FIRM THAT IS THE LOWEST FEES, UM, OR YOU MIGHT SELECT THE FIRM'S LOWEST FEES, DEPENDING ON HOW, HOW CLOSE THEY'RE SCORED. 
          UH, SO THERE'S A FEE COMPONENT OF IT, BUT IT'S NOT LIKE A BID IS USUALLY BASED SOLELY ON THE FEE. 
          UH, SO PROPOSAL WAS WITH PROFESSIONAL SERVICES. 
          WE DON'T GO SPECIFICALLY ON A FEE, AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE LOOKING AT THE DOLLAR AMOUNT. 
          AND THERE'S UP TO 50,000 BECAUSE, UH, WE DON'T KNOW YET. 
          IF WE GO THROUGH THE RFP PROCESS, WHAT THAT WOULD BE, THE, THE, THE CREAM OF THEIR CROP MIGHT BE EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE BECAUSE THEY'RE PROPOSING FOR ARCHITECTS OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, AND THE SPECIALTIES VERSUS SOMEONE ELSE MIGHT GET DOWN A SMALLER STAFF AND LESS OVERHEAD. 
          SO, UM, BUT THAT'S WHY WE'RE, WE WANNA BRING THIS TO YOUR ATTENTION, BRING IT TO THE LIGHT OF DAY, EXCUSE ME. 
          SO AS YOU CAN SAY, YEP, THIS IS A GOOD ONE, THAT, UH, IT'S BIG ENOUGH THAT WE SHOULD GO UP MAYBE TO AN RFP PROCESS, OR NO, WE'VE HAD SEVERAL PROJECTS LIKE THIS, IT'S LESS THAN 50,000. 
          LET'S GO AHEAD AND SELECT A FIRM AND, AND GET THIS PROJECT ROLLING. 
          MAKES SENSE TO ME? I THINK WE HAVE THAT EXPLANATION. 
          IT MAKES SENSE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          HE CONCURS. 
          SO NOW WE GET TO THE ARCHITECTURAL FEE FOR THE MASTER PLAN, WHICH IS ALSO YOU, SCOTT. 
          YES. 
          UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          UH, SO IF YOU RECALL, UH, AGAIN, LOOKING AT THE COUNTY CAMPUS MASTER PLAN TO GET A SCHEMATIC. 
          AGAIN, THE FIRST PHASE OF THIS WOULD BE GET GETTING A SCHEMATIC OF THE, THE AREA DOWN BELOW, UH, MEETING WITH MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS, UH, GETTING A REALLY SOLID PLAN IN PLACE. 
          [h. Strategic Priorities for Architectural Fee for Master Plan]
UH, AND IT'LL BE PHASE ONE, GETTING A NICE BUDGET ESTIMATE AS WELL TO KNOW IF YOU WANNA PROCEED WITH THE MASTER PLAN, AS WE HAVE PRESENTED PREVIOUSLY TO THIS, I WOULD BE LOOKING AT DOING, IS USING STRATEGIC PRIORITY FUNDS. 
          SO AGAIN, NO DIRECT TAX LEVY IN A STRATEGIC FUND UP TO $50,000, UH, TO, TO PLAN OUT THOSE SCHEMATIC DRAWINGS FOR, UH, BASICALLY ALL THREE FLOORS ON THIS BUILDING. 
          AGAIN, THE, THE ELECTED OFFICIALS, UH, CONSTITUTION OFFERS DOWN, UH, DOWN HERE AS WELL AS PLANNING OF PARKS 
          [01:40:01]
ACROSS THE STREET AND, AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WAS IN THAT, WHAT WE DISCUSSED LAST MONTH. 
          SO, UH, IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT, WE'D LIKE TO PROCEED WITH USING STRATEGIC PRIORITIES FUNDS TO, TO FUND THIS FIRST PHASE. 
          ARE WE OKAY WITH THAT MOTION? SECOND, DO WE NEED A MOTION? OH, NO, WE NEED A MOTION. 
          AND A SECOND. 
          A MOTION SUPERVISOR. 
          SUPERVISOR TIES ANY DISCUSSION. 
          HE CONCURS . 
          ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU SAID YOU WANT TO TAKE IT. 
          CAMERA. 
          COME ON. 
          ROLL. 
          OUR NEXT ITEM IS ALSO HANDLED BY SCOTT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE NEED A MOTION. 
          AND A SECOND AGAIN, OR SUPERVISOR RIN. 
          SUPERVISOR BO. 
          WE'LL GET HER DONE. 
          THIS HAS TO DO WITH CLEANING UP THE ORDINANCE. 
          IS IT AN ORDINANCE? MM-HMM,  THAT 
          [i. 2023 Ordinance: to amend Sections 15-28 and 15-31 relating to: Executive Committee and Public Works Committee]
PLACES RESPONSIBILITY OR REPORTING OF THE IT DEPARTMENT TO PUBLIC WORKS INSTEAD OF THIS COMMITTEE. 
          UM, IT'S A CHANGE THAT'S RECENTLY BEEN MADE TO BALANCE WORKLOAD, SO PUTTING MORE STRESS ON ME OR THE NEXT CHAIR. 
          . 
          WE'LL BE GENTLE. 
          WELL, THANK YOU. 
          HOW MANY ELSES DO YOU HAVE? ? UM, SO ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. 
          THEN WE GET TO THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, WHERE THE FRONT OFFICE REMODEL IN THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, WHICH WAS DISCUSSED AT LENGTH IN YOUR COMMITTEE THIS MORNING. 
          UM, SO SECOND SUPERVISOR, BOSSERT. 
          SUPERVISOR SCH. 
          [j. 2023 Resolution: Amend 2024-2029 Capital Improvement Plan (CIP) to Use Unspent CIP Dollars to Fund the Renovation of the Administrative Office Area at the Sheriff’s Office]
THANK YOU. 
          I NEED THE MIC SO I KNOW WE HAVE SOME TIME TO BURN. 
          SO WHAT I WAS GONNA DO IS START TALKING ABOUT THE SHERIFF HISTORY. 
          THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENTS STARTED IN 1834 . 
          SO IF YOU GUYS DON'T MIND, DO YOU HAVE ANY GRANDPARENTS IN YEAH. 
          YES. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THEY, THEY WERE PART OF THAT, UH, THAT LAND DEAL. 
          THEY WERE FINE . 
          UM, SO I APOLOGIZE TO THE SUPERVISOR OVER HERE THIS MORNING. 
          UM, I'LL, I'LL TRY TO KINDA MOVE THROUGH THIS, UH, UH, QUICKLY, BUT WHAT THE, WHAT THIS, UH, REQUEST IS, IS KIND OF A CASCADE EFFECT FROM, UM, CONSOLIDATED DISPATCHING, OUR CRU PROGRAM, WHICH, IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT, I THINK YOU PROBABLY ARE. 
          BUT THAT'S, UH, A TEAMING UP OF HUMAN SERVICES AND DEPUTY, UH, CLINICAL SOCIAL WORKER AND A DEPUTY, OUR MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONALS. 
          WE HAVE, UH, FOUR TEAMS OF THOSE NOW. 
          AND, UH, UM, WHAT, WHAT WE ALWAYS TRY TO DO WHEN WE HAVE MAJOR BUILDING PROJECTS OR ANY MAJOR PROJECTS AT THE SHERWELL COUNTY IN GENERAL, IS KIND OF THREE THINGS. 
          YOU WANNA PLAN FOR WHAT YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE YOUR IMMEDIATE NEEDS, WHAT DO YOU NEED NOW, YOU WANNA PLAN FOR WHAT YOU FORESEE US NEEDING 15, 20 YEARS FROM NOW. 
          AND THEN LASTLY, WHATEVER YOU DO IMMEDIATELY, YOU DON'T WANT TO INTERFERE WITH THOSE LONG-TERM RANGE PLANS IN THE FUTURE. 
          UM, SO WHAT, UH, UH, THIS IS PROBABLY BEST ILLUSTRATED BY THIS VERY PICTURE HERE. 
          THIS IS OUR FRONT OFFICE RIGHT NOW. 
          THE, WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS THE NORTH END OF IT. 
          RIGHT NOW IT'S THIS VACANT AREA IN HERE IN, UH, 2010. 
          THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, THE COUNTY WENT THROUGH A, A BUILDING REMODEL, UM, FOR THE, IT'S ACTUALLY PART OF THE RADIO PROJECT. 
          UH, BUT WE MOVED OUR DISPATCH CENTER. 
          SO THAT RIGHT THERE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT WHAT OUR OLD DISPATCH CENTER WAS BACK, UH, IN 2000 AND AND 10. 
          UM, AND WHAT WE DID WITH THE NEW DISPATCH CENTER IS WE PLANNED IT FOR A 20 YEAR EXPANSION, AND WITH THE POSSIBILITIES OF, UH, DISPATCH WOULD EXPAND OVER TIME AND, UM, THAT HAS COME TO FRUITION. 
          RIGHT NOW WE'RE WITH THE CONSOLIDATED DISPATCHING FOR BOTH, UH, HARTFORD, AND WE'RE MOVING TOWARDS GERMANTOWN. 
          UM, SO WHAT, BUT WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT HERE IS OUR OLD DISPATCH CENTER. 
          THAT'S, UH, UM, WE VACATED THAT AREA AND WE LEFT IT COMPLETELY VACANT SINCE 2010, UH, NOT KNOWING WHAT WE WOULD NEED IT FOR. 
          INITIALLY, WHEN I WAS AN ADMINISTRATIVE LIEUTENANT, I THOUGHT WE WOULD NEED IT FOR FILE STORAGE, HAVE, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE FILE RACKING TRACKING SYSTEMS. UM, BUT WE MOVED TO ALL PAPERLESS SO THAT WE DID NOT NEED TO DO THAT. 
          SO, UM, QUITE LITERALLY THAT AREA HAS, UM, STOOD, 
          [01:45:01]
UH, VACANT SINCE THEN. 
          UM, AND I THINK THAT WE CAME UP WITH A PRETTY GOOD PLAN FOR PRESENT AND FUTURE WITH, UH, UM, WITH UTILIZING THAT SPACE. 
          WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW IS, UH, THE BACKSIDE OR THE WEST SIDE OF OUR DISPATCH CENTER. 
          IF YOU CAN PICTURE, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT, DOWN THAT HALLWAY TO YOUR BACK IS WHERE OUR DISPATCH, THE BULLPENS ARE. 
          UM, AND DOWN THIS HALLWAY, THERE ARE, OOPS, THERE ARE THREE. 
          THERE ARE THREE, UH, OFFICES MALFUNCTION, UH, SOMEHOW. 
          THERE YOU GO. 
          THERE, IT'S OKAY. 
          UM, SO THE, THE FIRST ON THE TOP OF THAT IS OUR CURRENT SERGEANT'S OFFICE. 
          WE HAVE TWO SERGEANTS THAT ARE, ARE ASSIGNED TO THAT OFFICE SPACE. 
          THE MIDDLE PART, AND I ACKNOWLEDGE IT, IS A LITTLE CLUT. 
          YOU KNOW, THEY'RE A LITTLE CLUTTERED. 
          UM, BUT WHAT THAT IS, IS, UM, IT'S OUR, UM, OUR TRAINING AREA. 
          WE HAVE A RADIO CONSOLE SET THERE. 
          WE HAVE WHAT'S CALLED A CREDIT CALL WHERE WE BRING IN NEW CANDIDATES FOR TYPING TESTS AND SIMULATED DISPATCHING. 
          AND WE ALSO ACTUALLY USE THAT AREA AS, UM, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT, BUT AS A CONFERENCE ROOM WHEN YOU NEED PRIVACY, BECAUSE THOSE, UM, THE SERGEANT'S OFFICES BOTH HAVE WINDOWS. 
          YOU'RE LIKE IN A FISHBOWL THERE. 
          SO IF THE SERGEANTS NEED TO TALK WITH EMPLOYEES, THEY, THEY UTILIZE THAT CENTER ROOM. 
          THE FAR, UH, THE BOTTOM PICTURE THERE, ALSO VERY CLUTTERED. 
          THAT'S THE FAR OFFICE ON THE LEFT, THAT IS OUR RADIO ADMINISTRATOR'S OFFICE RIGHT NOW. 
          UM, WE DON'T HAVE A COUNTY RADIO ADMINISTRATOR WHERE WE SUBCONTRACT WITH GEN COM FOR THAT. 
          UM, SO THAT'S THE OFFICE SPACE THAT, UH, THAT THEY UTILIZE IMMEDIATELY OUT THAT DOOR THAT YOU JUST SAW DOWN IN THE HALLWAY. 
          IT'S THE DOORWAY THAT'S DOWN THAT HALL TO THE RIGHT. 
          UH, IT LEADS TO WHAT IS NOW THE CRISIS RESPONSE UNIT OFFICE. 
          UM, IT USED TO BE OUR DARE OFFICE. 
          NOW WE UTILIZE IT FOR THE, THE, UH, CRISIS RESPONSE UNIT. 
          WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS PART OF THE, THE DISPATCH, UH, CONSOLIDATION IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ADDING A SUPERVISOR, A THIRD SHIFT SUPERVISOR. 
          THEY DON'T HAVE AN OFFICE SPACE RIGHT NOW. 
          SO WE'D LIKE TO UTILIZE, UM, THE RADIO ADMINISTRATOR'S CURRENT OFFICE AND MOVE THE RADIO ADMINISTRATOR TO THIS CRI THE CURRENT CRISIS RESPONSE UNIT OFFICE. 
          IT WORKS VERY HANDY BECAUSE IT'S VERY CLOSE TO DISPATCH, BUT IT'S NOT WITHIN THE FOOTPRINT OF THE DISPATCH CENTER. 
          UM, AND THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE A LOT OF THE STUFF THE RADIO ADMINISTRATOR DOES DOESN'T ACTUALLY DEAL WITH THE RADIO. 
          THE, THE DISPATCH CENTER, IT DEALS WITH PORTABLES NOT WORK AND REPROGRAMMING, PORTABLES, UH, UM, WHERE YOU HAVE FOOT TRAFFIC COMING IN TO THE DISPATCH CENTER. 
          IT REALLY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH, UH, THE DISPATCH CENTER, PER SE. 
          THE CRISIS RESPONSE OFFICE HERE, IT'S, UH, IT'S, THERE'S THREE WORKSTATIONS IN THERE, AND THEN THAT NARROW AREA. 
          UM, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE EIGHT PEOPLE THAT ARE ASSIGNED TO THAT AREA. 
          IT'S A LITTLE TIGHT. 
          UM, WE MAKE IT WORK. 
          UM, BUT, UM, UH, AND, AND OBVIOUSLY THEIR JOB IS TO BE OUT ON THE ROAD. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT THE MAJORITY OF THEIR, THEIR WORK DOES. 
          HOWEVER, UM, THEY CURRENTLY WORK FROM, UH, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, 7:00 AM TO 10:00 PM AND ON THEY WORK 10 HOUR DAYS. 
          AND ON THE, UH, WEDNESDAYS ACTUALLY ALL THE TEAMS THAT WORK AT THE SAME TIME. 
          AND THEY DO THAT FOR A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT REASONS FOR TRAINING, FOR, UM, MEETINGS, UM, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THE HUMAN SERVICE AND ALL THE DEPUTIES ARE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE. 
          UM, IT GETS A LITTLE TIGHT IN THAT, UH, IN THAT ROOM THAT'S REALLY INTENDED FOR, FOR THREE WORKSTATIONS. 
          SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS THEN MOVING THE CRISIS RESPONSE UNIT, EVICTING THEM OUT OF THEIR OFFICE SPACE, BASICALLY. 
          UM, AND, UM, WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS TO UTILIZE THAT DISPATCH AREA THAT I, I MENTIONED. 
          YOU'LL SEE THAT THAT DOOR ON THE, ON THE, THE FAR PART OF THAT, THAT IS A, A DOOR RIGHT NOW THAT LEADS TO A SECURE FOYER, UH, UM, THAT THERE'S, THERE'S DOORS, SECURE DOORS ON EACH SIDE DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THAT IS THE CURRENT MEDICAL EXAMINER'S OFFICE. 
          UM, SO THAT PARTICULAR DOORWAY IS, UH, UM, IT'S ALL YOU CAN, THE GENERAL PUBLIC WOULD BE ABLE TO GET INTO THAT DOOR, UH, AND BE IN OUR, OUR SECURE AREA, BUT NOT HAVE ACCESS TO THE ENTIRE BUILDING. 
          AND I'LL EXPLAIN THAT IN JUST A SECOND. 
          SO I GUESS THIS IS KIND OF JUST ANOTHER VIEW OF, UH, OF THAT, THE CURRENT DISPATCH CENTER, UH, OR THE, UH, THE OLD DISPATCH CENTER RATHER. 
          UM, THIS IS THE CURRENT, UM, OFFICE SPACE LOOKING TO THE WEST. 
          WE HAVE ONE RECORDS POSITION, UH, UH, RIGHT NOW THAT WORKS IN THAT SOFT OFFICE AREA WITH THE, UH, UH, WITH THE PANELS. 
          UM, AND THAT ALSO WORKS, AND I'LL, I'LL GET TO, UM, GET TO THAT IN JUST A SECOND. 
          BUT I WANTED TO SHOW YOU THE, THE FLOOR PLAN OF WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING. 
          UH, THE, THE, THE SHADED OUT AREA, THE BLUE, THAT'S NOT PART OF THE QUOTE, THAT, THAT'S JUST KIND OF THAT LONG RANGE 
          [01:50:01]
LOOKING INTO THE FUTURE. 
          UM, PART OF THE MASTER PLAN THAT THAT 2035 OR WHATEVER PLAN WAS, WAS THAT THERE COULD BE AN EX, UH, UM, MORE IT AREA THAT'S NEEDED, AND WE WOULD BE ABLE TO UTILIZE SOME OF, MOVE SOME OFFICE STAFF TO THAT PROPOSED AREA. 
          BUT THAT'S NOT PART OF THIS, THIS, UH, UM, THIS PROPOSAL AT ALL. 
          BUT THAT DOORWAY THAT I MENTIONED TO YOU, MY, UH, POINTER'S NOT WORKING. 
          I'M NOT SHOWING, BUT IT'S ON THE, THE BOTTOM END OF RIGHT, KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE. 
          THAT'S WHERE THAT SECURE DOOR LEADS TO THAT, UH, THAT, UH, THAT SEMI SECURE FIRE. 
          UH, AND IT'S LABELED AS A WAITING ROOM. 
          I ENVISION THAT MORE AS A SOFT INTERVIEW ROOM WHERE, UM, HUMAN SERVICES OR OUR DEPUTIES COULD MEET PUB MEET WITH THE PUBLIC IN THAT AREA. 
          UH, WE DON'T HAVE THAT CAPABILITY NOW BECAUSE THE, THE DARE OFFICE IS WAY OFF IN THE CORNER. 
          IF THEY ACTUALLY WALK THROUGH A COMPLETE BUILDING TO GET TO IT, IT, IT, THE, THE FOOT TRAFFIC THERE ISN'T IDEAL. 
          UM, BUT THIS PARTICULAR AREA, YOU'D BE ABLE TO BUZZ THEM INTO THAT SECURE AREA. 
          THEY'D BE ABLE TO GET INTO THAT WAITING ROOM, UH, OR SOFT AREA THAT I WOULD, UH, WOULD CALL IT. 
          AND THEN THE, THE, THE, THE TWO OTHER DOORS THAT LEAD INTO THE OFFICE AREA AND THE, THE CRU OFFICE, THOSE ARE DOOR CARD READERS. 
          SO THAT WOULD, UH, STOP INDIVIDUALS FROM ACTUALLY GETTING INTO THE, THE, THE BUILDING ITSELF. 
          THE OTHER THING WITH THAT, THE WAITING ROOM THAT IS CALLED, IT'S DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE MEDICAL EXAMINER'S OFFICE. 
          AND I SPOKE WITH, UH, WITH DEB FROM, UH, EMMY'S OFFICE, AND I ASKED, IS THERE ANY VALUE FOR YOU TO HAVE ACCESS TO A A A A SOFT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S OFFICE CHAIRS IN, I'M ENVISIONING THAT MORE LIKE A SOFA OR CO A COUCH IN THERE. 
          UM, WOULD YOU HAVE A NEED FOR THAT SPACE? AND SHE SAID, YEAH, WE ACTUALLY DON'T HAVE ANYWHERE TO MEET WITH FAMILIES NOW THAT, UH, THAT COME IN AND HAVE QUESTIONS AND THEY'RE TRYING TO TURN OVER PERSONAL BELONGINGS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. 
          SO SHE SAW THAT, UH, AS A, A POSITIVE THING FOR HER OFFICE AS WELL, THAT LONG CO, THAT LOOKS LIKE A CONFERENCE TABLE WITH 16 CHAIRS. 
          THAT'S NOT ACTUALLY A, THAT'S ACTUALLY EIGHT INDIVIDUAL SMALLER TABLES, UM, THAT CAN BE PULLED APART AND YOU CAN CONFIGURE THAT ROOM AS A CLASSROOM. 
          UM, IT COULD BE A, A, A TRAINING ROOM FOR THE CCRU TEAMS. IT COULD BE A, UM, A MEDIA BRIEFING ROOM. 
          IF WE HAVE A, A PRESS PRESS CONFERENCE. 
          UM, IT KIND OF SERVES AS A, A MULTIPURPOSE ROOM. 
          UM, AND THEN THE OTHER PART OF THAT IS THAT LOOKING INTO THE FUTURE, IF THIS, IF THIS, IF THE CRU TEAMS GROW AND EXPAND, WE NEED A SUPERVISOR FOR IT. 
          UH, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO CREATE AN OFFICE IN THAT CONFERENCE ROOM AND KINDA MAKE IT A SMALLER CONFERENCE ROOM. 
          SO WE'RE KIND OF THINKING THE FUTURE, FUTURE NEEDS OF THAT. 
          AND THEN YOU'LL SEE THE, THE EIGHT WORKSTATIONS FOR THE CRU, UM, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING. 
          UM, RIGHT NOW, THEY PROBABLY, THEY COULD PROBABLY SHARE SOME OFFICE, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY DON'T NECESSARILY NEED THEIR OWN CUBICLES. 
          UM, BUT PART OF THIS IS, I ENVISION THIS DOWN THE ROAD AS BEING MORE OF A MULTI-JURISDICTIONAL EFFORT WHERE MAYBE WEST BEND POLICE DEPARTMENT WANTS TO HAVE A GUY ASSIGNED TO IT WITH, WITH A HUMAN SERVICES EMPLOYEE OR GERMANTOWN. 
          UM, SO THAT WOULD BE THE, WE'D BE ABLE TO, TO EXPAND WITHIN THE SAME FOOTPRINT OF THE, THE OFFICE THERE. 
          THE OTHER TWO OFFICES THAT, THAT WE, UH, UH, THAT WE ARE, UM, PROPOSING ARE IN THE UPPER LEFT HAND CORNER. 
          UM, THEY'RE ACTUALLY HARD OFFICES WITH DRYWALL, UH, FLOOR TO CEILING. 
          UM, THE REASON FOR, FOR THE, UM, THE, THE HARD OFFICES IS THOSE ARE OUR RECORDS. 
          PEOPLE THAT DO THE OPEN RECORDS REQUEST BODY CAMS ON 9 1 1 CALLS, UM, IT, THEY'RE, THEY'RE CUSTOMER SERVICE ORIENTED. 
          THEY GO UP TO THE FRONT COUNTER QUITE A BIT. 
          UM, BUT THEY ALSO ARE KIND OF NOISY WHEN THEY'RE DOING ALL THE BODY CAM FOOTAGE. 
          THEY HAVE TO, THEY HAVE TO LISTEN TO EVERYTHING AND, AND REDACT EVERYTHING. 
          UM, THE SOFT PANELS THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY FOR THE ONE OFFICE, IT'S, IT WORKS, UM, BUT IT, IT DOESN'T CUT DOWN THE NOISE QUITE AS MUCH AS, AS WE HAD HOPED. 
          BUT JUST BECAUSE THAT OFF THAT SOFT OFFICE OF PANELS, UM, WE PROPOSE, UH, FACILITIES DID A VERY, VERY NICE JOB OF, OF MAKING SURE, KEEPING US ONLINE AND GETTING THE PROPER COLORS AND THE PROPER STRUCTURE, THAT A LOT OF THOSE PANELS WOULD SIMPLY BE ABLE TO BE USED IN THE, THE, THE ACTUAL CUBICLES FOR THE, THE CRU, SO THAT NONE OF THAT STUFF WOULD GO TO WASTE. 
          UM, THE REASON WHY THERE'S TWO OFFICES THERE VERSUS THE ONE CURRENTLY IS OUR CURRENT, WE HAVE TWO RECORDS POSITIONS. 
          ONE OF THEM HAS AN OFFICE THAT'S WAY DOWN TOWARDS THE DISPATCH CENTER, UM, JUST BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE OFFICE SPACE WAS AND WE NEEDED HER SOMEWHERE FOR, SHE HAD SOME, SOME DEGREE OF PRIVACY. 
          UM, IT, WE MAKE IT WORK. 
          UM, BUT IT, UM, IT WOULD BE VERY NICE TO HAVE THAT PERSON UP IN THE FRONT OFFICE WHERE SHE DOES THE CUSTOMER SERVICE. 
          AND ALSO THAT, THAT LONG RANGE PLANNING, I WAS TALKING ABOUT IF THAT OFFICE WAS VACATED, I HAD PROPOSED THAT AS, UH, AND CONSOLIDATED DISPATCH CONTINUES TO, TO MOVE IN THE DIRECTION THAT THE STATE AT LEAST WANTS IT TO. 
          UM, THAT WE MIGHT HAVE 
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A NEED FOR LIEUTENANT AT ONE, POSI AT ONE AT SOME POINT. 
          AND I THINK THAT OFFICE SPACE WOULD BE IDEAL FOR THAT. 
          OR I'D EVEN OFFERED IT AS A, A SATELLITE OFFICE FOR, UM, THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT OR SOME, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          UM, WHAT I DID THOUGH, SO THE, THE TOTAL PROJECT, AND THESE WEREN'T HARD QUOTES, THESE ARE JUST NUMBERS THAT WERE PROVIDED BY, UM, BY FACILITIES, UM, UH, WAS LIKE A 221 WITH THE CONTINGENCIES, 221,000, WHICH SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF MONEY FOR THIS. 
          BUT WHAT I ALSO DID IS I, I PROPOSED A COUPLE OF WAYS THAT IF YOU WANTED US TO CUT SOME COSTS IN THE PROJECT THAT THAT, THAT WE COULD MAKE THAT HAPPEN. 
          THE FIRST ONE IS, IF YOU REMEMBER THE, UH, THE GRANT WE RECEIVED FOR THE FOURTH TEAM. 
          UM, IT, IT STARTED IN THE BEGINNING OF 2024, SO WE DIDN'T USE ALL THE WAGES STARTING IN JANUARY. 
          UM, SO WE COULD GO BACK. 
          WE, UH, THE LIEUTENANT IS LOOKING INTO IF WE CAN GO BACK AND MODIFY THE GRANT, UM, TO AT LEAST PURCHASED TWO OF THE CUBICLES. 
          UM, UM, WE THINK THAT'S A, A POSSIBILITY AT LEAST. 
          AND AS ALWAYS, WE STILL CONTINUE TO SEEK OUT OTHER, OTHER GRANTS THAT ARE PART OF IT. 
          UM, THE ONE THING THAT WILL BE VERY EASY TO CUT SOME COSTS ON IS THE CONFERENCE ROOM FURNITURE THAT, UH, I HAD 10,000 IN A COMMUNITY REPORT. 
          IT'S ACTUALLY 8,000 FOR SOME TABLES AND CHAIRS. 
          WE COULD, WE COULD MAKE DO WITH SOMETHING ELSE AND USE FURNITURE. 
          UM, BUT THAT WOULD BE A PRETTY EASY WAY IF WE, IF YOU'RE UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THE NUMBER, WE COULD LOWER A LITTLE BIT. 
          UM, THE OTHER PART WAS NOT PURCHASING THE FIVE CUBICLES THAT, UH, FOR THE EXPANSION, THERE'S SOME ADVANTAGES TO THAT. 
          THERE'S SOME DISADVANTAGE. 
          THE ADVANTAGES THAT SAVES ABOUT 25,000 OFF THE PROJECT. 
          THE DISADVANTAGE IS, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THOSE COLORS AND STUFF ARE GONNA BE AVAILABLE FIVE, 10 YEARS FROM NOW AND WE WERE PLANNING ON USING THOSE PANELS FROM THAT SOFT OFFICE AREA TO AUGMENT THAT. 
          UM, BUT THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD ALSO ALSO WORK WITH. 
          UM, THE LAST COST SAVING MEASURE THAT I CAME UP WITH IS IF YOU WANTED TO, WE COULD ELIMINATE ONE OF THOSE HARD OFFICES IN THE UPPER LEFT AND JUST, UH, THAT TAKES ABOUT 14,000 OFF THE PROJECT IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UM, AND JUST KEEP THE REC, OTHER RECORDS CUSTODIAN DOWN THE HALL WHERE SHE CURRENTLY IS. 
          SO, UM, UH, I'M OPEN TO, UM, TO WORKING WITH, UH, THE NUMBERS FOR SURE. 
          BUT, UH, I THOUGHT IT WAS FAIR THAT, UH, THAT WE AT LEAST, UH, GAVE YOU SOME OPTIONS. 
          SUPERVISOR SHARA, MY QUESTION IS, UH, IS THIS PART OF THE STRATEGIC LONG TERM, OR IS THIS MORE IMMEDIATE BECAUSE OF THE DISPATCH COMBINED DISPATCH? IT, IT'S MORE THE, THE DISPATCH AND THE, THE EXPANSION OF THE CRU TEAMS. UM, THIS, DOES THIS ALSO FIT INTO THE LONG STRATEGIC, I GUESS I WOULD HAND THIS OFF, YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU ELSE. 
          I LISTENED TO THE WHOLE PRESENTATION THIS MORNING AND I WAS IMPRESSED BY IT. 
          YOU LOOKED AT ALL DIFFERENT OPTIONS WITHIN YOUR OFFICE AND, UH, WE'RE ACTUALLY PAYING FOR IT WITH CIP MONEY THAT WAS NOT USED ON OTHER PROJECTS. 
          SO, UM, I'M ALL FOR THIS. 
          I THINK I'D MADE THE COMMENT, UH, THIS MORNING, THESE, UH, CRITICAL RESPONSE UNITS, THEY'RE HAVING A BIG IMPACT ALREADY ON OUR COMMUNITY. 
          WE WANT THEM TO BE FULLY SUPPORTED. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND I THINK PROVIDING THIS SPACE WOULD DO THAT. 
          SO, AND ALSO AS FOR THAT OTHER OFFICE SPEND THE 14,000 BUCKS, I MEAN, IT'S BENEFICIAL FOR THAT PERSON TO BE UPFRONT IF SHE'S WORKING WITH THE PUBLIC RATHER THAN GETTING HER STEPS. 
          YEAH. 
          IT, IT IS. 
          UM, BUT IT'S MY MONEY TO OUR MONEY AND I, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, WHEN I SAY I MEAN THE CITIZENS, SO I, I JUST WANTED TO AT LEAST PROVIDE SOME OPTIONS, A WORKFLOW THAT CERTAINLY MAKES THE MOST SENSE. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, I AGREE. 
          OH, I'M SORRY. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, I, I AGREE WITH ALL THAT. 
          AND AGAIN, MY, MY THOUGHT WAS, AS LONG AS THIS IS PART OF OUR LONG TERM PLAN, THE INVESTMENT IS WORTH IT. 
          SO, MR. WE WILL OF COURSE, WORK WITH THE SHERIFF TO LOOK AT, UH, FURNITURE OPTIONS AS WE, AS WE ROLL THROUGH THIS, THIS PROJECT AND PROCEDURE. 
          I, I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO KARA, UH, HERDRICH, OUR BUILDINGS AND GROUNDS MANAGER, UH, FOR GETTING THROUGH THIS SO QUICKLY AND GIVING THE SHERIFF, UH, MULTIPLE OPTIONS, UH, TO GO THROUGH AND, AND LOOK AT THAT AREA TO, TO REMODEL IT AS WELL AS HER TEAM TO WHEN, UH, WE TALK ABOUT THE STEWARDSHIP OF THE, THE MONEY, UH, HERE, UH, BEING ABLE TO SAVE THAT MONEY AND THOSE OTHER PRODUCTS BY LOOKING FOR COST SAVINGS MEASURES AND NOT JUST SPENDING IT JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE THE MONEY AVAILABLE, UH, TO SAVE THAT MONEY. 
          SO WE'RE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH SOMETHING LIKE THIS, I THINK IS A, A TESTAMENT TO HER AND HER STAFF. 
          I AGREE WITH THAT. 
          I OVERHEARD SOME CONVERSATIONS THIS MORNING AND YOU GUYS ARE DOING A GREAT JOB. 
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ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? I'M GOOD. 
          DID I GET A MOTION OF THE SECOND ALREADY? YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU. 
          OUR LAST ITEM IS UTILIZING ARPA FUNDS FOR TOURISM GRANTS. 
          I HAVE AT IT. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          , HOW ABOUT DUELING MICROPHONE? GEEZ, HOUR AND A HALF. 
          I HAVEN'T, I HAVEN'T SAID ANYTHING YET. 
          SO,  OR TWO HOUR TWO AND YEAH, TWO HOURS . 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          [k. Utilize ARPA Funds for Tourism Grant]
ALL RIGHT. 
          GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. 
          UM, SO, SO THE PROGRAM THAT THAT'S UH, PRESENTED HERE IS, UH, WHAT'S WHAT'S CALLED A TOURISM GRANT. 
          UM, UNDER THIS PROGRAM, $300,000 OF ARPA WOULD BE ALLOCATED, UM, TO FUND THIS PROGRAM. 
          UH, THE DRAFT OF THE PROGRAM'S IN THE PACKET. 
          SO HOPEFULLY YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW IT. 
          UM, REALLY THE, AT THIS TIME, THE PROGRAM'S SET UP TO ASSIST WITH FUNDING CULTURAL EVENTS AND FESTIVALS, UM, AND, AND TO UPGRADE PUBLIC FACILITIES, UM, TO ENHANCE VISITOR EXPERIENCES. 
          SO THE PUBLIC FACILITIES PIECE THAT'S LIKE PARKS AND TRAILS AND, AND REST AREAS AND THINGS LIKE THAT AT THIS POINT. 
          UM, THOSE ARE SORT OF EXAMPLES OF WHAT THAT MIGHT BE USED FOR. 
          BUT, UM, THE PROGRAM, WE'VE, WE'VE GOT MAXIMUMS SET IN THERE TO, TO, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE SURE ALL THE MONEY DOESN'T GO TO ONE PLACE. 
          UM, IT'S ALSO SET, SO IT'LL, IT'LL ENHANCE EVENTS IN THOSE SPACES RATHER THAN TO FUND THEM IN TOTALITY. 
          UM, UH, THE, THE TIMELINE ON THIS, UM, IS, IS, YOU'LL SEE THE DATES IN THERE ARE ARE PRETTY, PRETTY SOON. 
          UH, WE'RE LOOKING TO, TO BE ABLE TO KINDA GET THIS OUT ON THE STREET AND, AND REALLY TO, TO MAKE THOSE AWARDS AND NOTIFY FOLKS SO THAT THE, THAT'S DONE IN TIME FOR THE SUMMER AND THE FESTIVAL TYPE SEASON, UH, THAT THAT'S COMING UP HERE QUICKLY. 
          SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY THINK GRANTS LIKE THIS CAN HELP TO, TO DRIVE VISITORS TO, TO THE COUNTY, INJECT DOLLARS INTO OUR LOCAL ECONOMY, DRIVE SALES TAX, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO, UM, THE PROGRAM ITSELF YOU'LL SEE IS, IS STAMPED DRAFT. 
          UM, BUT UH, AT THIS POINT WE'RE LOOKING FOR THE, THE CONS, JUST THE GENERAL CONSENSUS SIMILAR TO HOW WE'VE, WE'VE WORKED WITH ARPA DOLLARS IN THE PAST, UH, FROM THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE. 
          UM, AND I'M NOT SURE IF JOSH HAD ANYTHING HE WANTED TO ADD ON THIS, BUT, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S THE GRANT. 
          THE GRANT, THE TOURISM GRANT. 
          OKAY. 
          MR. MARY? YES, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS ON THIS. 
          UH, HAVE THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT MIGHT BE ELIGIBLE FOR THESE FUNDINGS, HAVE THEY BEEN NOTIFIED OF THIS TIMELINE? UH, AS YOU SAID, THIS IS KIND OF A RUSH THING TO GET DONE. 
          ARE THEY GONNA HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO RESPOND? UH, WE HAVE NOT PUT IT OUT THERE ON THE STREET YET, NO. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, AND WOULD GROUPS SUCH AS THE COUNTY TOURISM BUREAU OR DEPARTMENT, WHOEVER, IS, WOULD THEY BE INCLUDED IN THIS AS WELL? WE CUT THEIR BUDGETING LAST YEAR OR EARLIER THIS YEAR FOR THIS YEAR'S BUDGET. 
          WOULD THEY BE ELIGIBLE TO APPLY FOR SOME OF THESE FUNDS? UM, THEORETICALLY THEY'D BE ELIGIBLE. 
          THEY'VE NOT, AS FAR AS I KNOW, THEY'VE NEVER DONE AN EVENT OR, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AND THEY HAVE NO, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE TYPE THINGS. 
          UM, SO I DON'T HAVE TO CREATE ONE. 
          THEY WOULD BE THE GROUP THAT WOULD PROMO BE PROMOTING THE COUNTY FOR TOURISM PURPOSES. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT, THAT'S, WE, WE INTENTIONALLY STAYED AWAY FROM THAT. 
          WE DIDN'T WANT TO GET INTO THE MARKETING GAME BECAUSE, WELL, FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS, BUT IT REALLY STARTS TO GET DIFFICULT TO FIGURE OUT, UH, RETURN ON INVESTMENT. 
          UM, AND SO AS YOU'LL NOTICE, THESE PROJECTS, WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO FIND, YOU KNOW, LITTLE IMPROVEMENTS TO EVENTS THAT ARE HAPPENING. 
          SO IF OCTOBERFEST IN GERMANTOWN WANTS TO BRING IN A SPECIAL BAND OR A SPECIAL FUNCTION, THIS CAN HELP BE THE MONEY TO GET THAT TO HAPPEN, WHICH WE ASSUME WILL DRIVE MORE ATTENDANCE, WHICH DRIVES MORE SALES TAX, SO ON AND SO FORTH. 
          SO IT'S REALLY NOT ABOUT MARKETING, IT'S REALLY ABOUT LETTING THEM ENHANCE THEIR, THEIR DOWNTOWN OR THEIR EVENT OR THEIR WHATEVER. 
          IT'S MORE . 
          I WAS ON THE TOUR, I WAS ON THE TOURISM COMMISSION IN GERMANTOWN FOR A PERIOD OF TIME, AND WE USED TO HAVE TO ARGUE WITH SOME OF THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT THE TOURISM FUNDING BEING PROVIDED DID NOT NECESSARILY MEAN THEY COULD GO OUT AND BUY, BUY A WHOLE 
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BUNCH OF MORE PORTA-POTTIES, , UH, THAT INDEED IT HAD TO BE USED TOWARD THE EVENT ITSELF. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND WE GOT SOME ARGUMENTS BACK AGAINST THAT. 
          AND I'M JUST HOPING THAT THAT ISN'T THE SITUATION HERE. 
          THAT THERE ARE SOME GUIDELINES ON HOW THIS MONEY CAN OR WILL, SHOULD BE SPENT. 
          UH, IT'S NOT JUST, HERE'S A CHECK, GO HAVE SOME MONEY, HAVE SOME FUN WITH IT, BUT INDEED IT HAS TO BE DIRECTLY RELATED TO ENHANCING THEIR PROGRAM. 
          AND I GUESS THE LAST QUESTION I HAVE IS REGARDING THIS ADVISORY COMMITTEE THAT'S GONNA MAKE THE SELECTION. 
          WHO'S ON THAT? I THINK YOU JUST VOLUNTEERED, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. 
          . 
          . 
          NO, I, SO WE'RE, AARON WORKS FOR ME. 
          , UH, AARON WILL TAKE, I CONCUR. 
          YEAH, THERE YOU GO. 
          UH, AARON WILL TAKE THE LEAD ON, ON DOING THAT, JUST LIKE JULIE TOOK THE LEAD ON THE MENTAL HEALTH GRANTS. 
          AARON WILL TAKE THE LEAD ON THIS ONE, AND CERTAINLY IF, IF YOU WANT SOME INPUT AHEAD OF TIME, WE, ALL OF THAT WILL BE DONE INTERNALLY. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY. 
          WE'LL, IF YOU'RE IN, SERIOUSLY, IF YOU'RE INTERESTED SUPERVISOR MURRAY, WE'D BE HAPPY TO HAVE YOU INCLUDED IN THAT. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO BE INVOLVED IN THAT DISCUSSION. 
          YES, SIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THAT'S ALL I HAVE, SIR. 
          SO TO CONFIRM, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EVENTS THAT ARE ALREADY HAPPENING, PROVIDING ENHANCEMENTS TO, I THINK GIVEN THE TIMELINE, THAT'S LIKELY, UM, YEAH, SO I, I'M EXPECTING THINGS LIKE, LIKE I SAID, OCTOBER FEST IN GERMANTOWN OR, OR, UH, BACH FEST THAT JUST HAPPENED, OR WHAT IS THE ONE, CASA FIESTA LATINA, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. 
          AND THEN HOPEFULLY THEY DO ENHANCEMENTS. 
          THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I'M EXPECTING. 
          THAT'S WHAT IT'S, FRANKLY, IT'S WHAT I'VE HEARD IS, IS THE, IS THE NEED. 
          ALTHOUGH WHILE IT'S USUALLY NOT PORTA-POTTIES, I SUPPOSE IN THE RIGHT EVENT, YOU KNOW, THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF PORTA-POTTIES MIGHT MATTER. 
           IF THE ATTENDANCE GOES UP, YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          OCTOBERFEST MIGHT NEED, MIGHT NEED 10 INSTEAD OF FIVE. 
          THAT ONE. 
          . 
          ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR DISCUSSION? DO WE ALL CONCUR? ALL CONCUR? HEY, YOU ALL CONCURRED WITH ME. 
          THANK YOU, . 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, THAT CONCLUDES ALL OF OUR BUSINESS FOR TODAY. 
          OUR NEXT MEETING IS WEDNESDAY, APRIL 24TH AT 4:00 PM THIS MEETING'S ADJOURNED.
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