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WILL RISE FOR A MOMENT OF SILENT PRAYER AND THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.I PLEDGE PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC OF WHERE IT STANDS.
ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE.
FOR, FOR ALL THE MINUTES FROM OUR MAY 8TH MEETING ARE IN THE PACKAGE.
UH, DO WE HAVE ANY CORRECTIONS OR COMMENTS? MM-HMM.
UM, OUR FIRST ITEM THREE DISCUSSION IS GEOGRAPHIC INFORMATION SYSTEMS QUARTERLY REPORT.
I'M THE DIRECTOR OF GIS FOR THE COUNTY, AND I'M HERE TO GIVE THE
[a. Geographic Information Systems Quarterly Report]
EOS REPORT FOR GIS.UM, BEFORE I GET INTO IT, I JUST WANTED TO JUST, UH, QUICKLY REVIEW WHERE THE FUNDING FOR A LOT OF THESE PROJECTS COME FROM.
UM, ALTHOUGH GIS REPORTS TO THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE, A LOT OF OUR FUNDING COMES FROM THE WISCONSIN LAND INFORMATION PROGRAM FUND.
UH, THAT REVENUE COMES FROM A, A STATUTORY FEE THAT IS ASSESSED TO EVERY REAL ESTATE DOCUMENT THAT'S RECORDED IN THE REGISTER OF DEEDS.
FUNCTIONALLY LAND INFORMATION IS IN THE LAND USE AND PLANNING PART OF THE COUNTY BUDGET.
SO LAND USE AND PLANNING IS WHERE WE TAKE OUR BUDGET.
BUT I DO MY ES REPORT HERE, SO THERE'S JUST KIND OF THE WAY THAT IT WORKS.
UM, WE COLLECT $8 FOR EVERY DOCUMENT THAT'S RECORDED IN THE, IN THE REGISTER OF DEEDS.
UM, THAT AMOUNT SWINGS WILDLY DEPENDING ON THE REAL ESTATE MARKET AND ALSO THE REFINANCE MARKET.
UM, AND THEN WE SEND $7 TO THE STATE AND WE CAN RECEIVE SOME OF THAT BACK IN THE FORM OF, IN THE FORM OF GRANTS.
SO, UM, AS WE GO THROUGH HERE, UM, THE, THE, THE PROJECTS THAT YOU'LL SEE, THEY'RE ALL WLIP FUNDED, SO THEY'RE OFF OF THE COUNTY LEVY AND, UH, FUNDED THROUGH THAT SPECIFIC FEE.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THESE PROJECTS, THE GIS DEPARTMENT, I'M HAPPY TO MEET WITH YOU AT ANY TIME.
SO, UH, THE FIRST INITIATIVE THAT WE HAVE IS PREPARE GIS DATA FOR NEXT GEN 9 1 1.
UH, GIS DATA WILL TAKE THE PLACE OF THE OLD TELEPHONE COMPANY DATABASES TO PROPERLY ROUTE CALLS TO THE REP, TO THE CORRECT PUBLIC SAFETY ANSWERING POINT.
SO DATA THAT WE ADDRESS AND ROAD CENTER LINE DATA THAT WE'VE BEEN MAINTAINING FOR QUITE SOME TIME, WE NEED TO GET UP TO, UM, STANDARDS IN ORDER TO SUPPORT THIS NEW APPLICATION.
AND IT'S A SIGNIFICANT TASK, AND IT'S A TASK THAT ALL COUNTIES IN THE STATE ARE DOING.
UH, THE, THE, THE BOTTOM GOAL ON THE FIRST PAGE, COMPLETE DATE OF REMEDIATION REQUIRED TO FULLY SUPPORT NEXT GEN 9 1 1.
THERE WERE SOME SIGNIFICANT DELAYS WITH THE, THE VENDOR, UM, BUT THAT GOAL IS BACK ON TRACK.
WE FIND WE HAVE FINAL DELIVERY AND WE ARE CURRENTLY REVIEWING THAT.
UM, UH, WE DO HAVE SOME CATCHING UP TO DO ON SOME OF THE, THE REST OF THE, THE TASKS WITHIN THAT GOAL.
BUT, UH, I, I THINK WE'RE IN A GOOD PLACE RIGHT NOW.
AND THEN THE FINAL GOAL FOR THAT INITIATIVE, UH, THE, THE FIELD VERIFY OF ADDRESS DATA, THAT THAT HAS ALSO STARTED.
UH, THAT'S A GRANT FUNDED, UH, PROJECT WHERE WE HAVE SPECIAL DEPUTIES, REALLY RETIRED, RETIRED COUNTY DEPUTIES, UM, THAT ARE GOING OUT IN FIELD VERIFYING ADDRESSES IN PARTICULARLY TRICKY SPOTS.
UM, IT'S BEEN WORKING OUT REALLY WELL SO FAR.
THE, THE SPECIAL DEPUTIES HAVE BEEN IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS FOR MANY, MANY YEARS AND ARE, ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH IT.
AND, AND, UH, THE UNIFORM THAT THEY WEAR MAKES THEM A LITTLE, UM, MORE AUTHORITATIVE, I GUESS, THAN IF IT WERE, IF IT WERE SOMEBODY LIKE ME WHO WAS JUST GOING INTO THOSE APARTMENT BUILDINGS IN SOME CASES TO VERIFY WHICH ADDRESSES ARE THERE.
SO THAT PROJECT IS WORKING REALLY WELL.
UH, THE NEXT, UH, INITIATIVE IS THE TRANSPORTATION NETWORK SUSTAINABILITY PLAN.
UH, THIS IS REALLY ONE PART OF A MUCH LARGER PROJECT THAT'S, UH, SPEARHEADED BY SCOTT AND, AND THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT.
UM, THERE'S A, A SIGNIFICANT DATA ANALYSIS COMPONENT THAT WE'RE INVOLVED WITH.
SO, UH, THERE ARE NO CURRENTLY NO ACTIVE GOALS FOR THAT.
BUT IF ADDITIONAL MUNICIPALITIES SIGN UP FOR TRANSPORTATION NETWORK SUSTAINABILITY PLAN, UM, IT'LL BE THE GIS GROUP THAT GETS A LOT OF THE ROAD CONDITION INFORMATION OUT OF THE STATE DATABASE AND REALLY GET ALL THAT DATA PREPPED SO THAT IT CAN BE LOADED INTO THE, INTO THE, UH, THE SIMULATION TOOL THAT'S BEEN BUILT FOR, FOR THAT PLANNING INITIATIVE.
HAVE WE HAD ANY OTHER MUNICIPALITIES TALKING ABOUT IT AT ALL? YES.
AND SCOTT WOULD KNOW THAT BETTER THAN ME, SO, SO THERE MAY BE SOME MORE ON THE HORIZON.
UH, THE NEXT PROJECT IS THE HISTORIC TAX ROLL SCANNING PROJECT.
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IS, UH, FINALLY WINDING DOWN.UH, WE'VE TAKEN DELIVERY OF ABOUT 99, 90 8% OF THE TAX ROLLS THAT, UH, THEY'RE, THEY'VE ALL BEEN SCANNED AND AND DELIVERED, AND WE'VE ACCEPTED FINAL DELIVERY ON THOSE.
UH, THERE WERE A COUPLE BOOKS THAT THEY MISSED THAT WE, THAT WE FOUND OUT.
AND, UH, THE WAY THE SHELVING UNIT WORKS, THERE'S KIND OF LIKE A, THE BOOK ON THE END IS KIND OF HIDDEN BECAUSE IT'S BEHIND AN, AN ANGLED BRACKET, AND THEY JUST MISSED THOSE.
SO WE DISCOVERED THOSE, WE PULLED 'EM OUT, WE SHIPPED THEM TO THE, TO THE, UH, THE VENDOR, AND THEY'RE GOING TO SCAN THEM AT THEIR LOCATION AND SEND THOSE FILES BACK.
SO, UM, WE'RE REALLY HAPPY WITH THE RESULTS.
UM, WE'RE, WE'RE TRACKING UNDER BUDGET, WHICH IS, WHICH IS GREAT NEWS.
AND, UH, OUR APPLICATION DEVELOPMENT TEAM IN, IN IT IS DEVELOPING A, A SIMPLE WEB INTERFACE IN ORDER TO PUT THESE IN, IN ORDER TO PUT THESE HISTORIC BOOKS ONLINE.
AND, AND SCOTT TOOK OFF, BUT HE WAS JUST TELLING ME THAT HE HAD RECEIVED SEVERAL REQUESTS TODAY THAT HE HAD TO WALK DOWN AND, AND, UH, OPEN UP THE VAULT AND GO TO THE OLD BOOK AND MAKE COPIES OF 'EM AND SEND 'EM TO THE ATTORNEY THAT WAS REQUESTING THIS INFORMATION.
AND, UH, ONCE WE'RE ABLE TO COMPLETE THIS PROJECT, HE'LL BE ABLE TO JUST POINT 'EM TO THE WEBSITE AND THEN IT'LL BE SELF-SERVE FOR THEM.
SO, SO THAT'LL BE NICE WHEN IT'S DONE.
UH, THE NEXT INITIATIVE IS ORTHO PHOTOGRAPHY AND LIDAR ACQUISITION.
UH, THIS IS A RECURRING, UM, RECURRING PROJECTS WHERE WE ARE NOW ACQUIRE OR PHOTOGRAPHY EVERY TWO YEARS AS PART OF A REGIONAL PRODUCT.
AND WHAT I ALWAYS TELL PEOPLE, THIS IS ONE OF THE BEST DEALS THE COUNTY GETS BECAUSE THE REGIONAL PLANNING COMMISSION IS REALLY GOOD AT, UH, UM, SECURING FEDERAL FUNDS TO PAY FOR A GOOD SOURCE OF, UH, A GOOD CHUNK OF OUR EARTH PHOTOGRAPHY.
SO IT'S THE BASE FOR OUR WEBSITE.
IT'S A BASE FOR A LOT OF OUR OTHER APP APPLICATIONS THAT WE PRODUCE HERE.
SO GETTING CURRENT EARTH PHOTOGRAPHY EVERY TWO YEARS IS, IS BENEFICIAL.
UH, THE, THE GREAT SPRING THAT WE HAD, OR THE WARM SPRING, THE SNOW, THE LACK OF SNOW MEANT THAT, UH, WE COULD FLY A COUPLE WEEKS EARLIER THAN, THAN WHAT WE WERE PROJECTING.
SO BY THE, I THINK THE SECOND WEEK IN MARCH THAT ORTHOGRAPHY WAS COMPLETELY FLOWN, UM, AND ALL THE REPORTS THAT I'M HEARING IS THAT THE ACCURACY OF IT IS, IS, IS EXCEEDING THE SPECIFICATION.
AND WE'RE, AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE A, A REALLY GOOD PRODUCT DELIVERED LATER THIS YEAR.
UM, 2025 IS A LIDAR ACQUISITION PROJECT.
LIDAR IS, UH, LIGHT DETECTING ARRANGING, IF YOU THINK OF RADAR.
IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST, UH, DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT, UH, AN AREA OF THE ELECTROMAGNETIC, UH, SPECTRUM THAT WE'RE USING.
WE'RE USING LIGHT, LIGHT TO DETERMINE THAT, BUT IT'S, IT'S, UH, USED TO, TO, UH, CREATE A HIGHLY ACCURATE SURFACE OF THE, THE, OF THE EARTH.
AND FROM THAT, WE CREATE CONTOUR MAPPING, BUT WE CAN ALSO, UM, USE IT, THAT DATA FOR MODELING FLOODPLAINS, AND WE CAN USE THAT DATA FOR, UM, LAND CONSERVATION PRACTICES AND THEN, AND HIGHWAY PROJECTS AND ALL THAT.
SO THAT PROJECT, THAT WAS, THAT WAS MY QUESTION.
SO THIS WOULD BE USED FOR FLOODPLAIN MAPPING.
UM, AND IS THIS, WHAT DID, WE JUST DID A THING, I GUESS, AT THE, UH, FAIR PARK.
WAS THOSE, WERE THOSE MAPS? 'CAUSE MY BROTHER'S GOT A PROBLEM WITH HIS PROPERTY, APPARENTLY, AND, BUT IT'S, HE SAID IT WAS AN OLDER MAP.
SO, SO YEAH, THE, THE PROJECT THAT, THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO IS THAT, UH, THERE'S A, A SIZABLE, UH, PORTION OF THE COUNTY WHERE THERE WAS ADDITIONAL ENGINEERING WORK TO DETERMINE THE NEW FLOOD ELEVATIONS.
UM, THE FLOOD ELEVATIONS, UH, WAYNE ADDISON, KI WASUM, BARTON FARMINGTON, UH, GERMANTOWN, THOSE ARE THE AREAS PREDOMINANTLY IMPACTED BY THIS ROUND.
UM, SO THERE WAS NEW ENGINEERING DONE TO DETERMINE WHAT THE ELEVATION OF THE FLOODING IS.
AND THEN ONCE THEY HAVE THOSE ELEVATIONS, THEY APPLY THAT TO A, A, A DIGITAL ELEVATION MODEL, WHICH IS THE SURFACE OF THE EARTH.
AND THE ONE THAT THEY USED FOR OUR CURRENT PROJECT, IT WAS OUR, FROM OUR PREVIOUS PROJECT, UM, OUR PREVIOUS LIDAR PROJECT, WHICH WAS DONE IN, IN 2015.
UM, THE, THE PROBLEM THAT YOUR, YOU SAID YOUR BROTHER YEAH.
THE PROBLEM THAT YOUR, YOUR BROTHER EXPERIENCED IS THAT FOR REASONS I, I CAN'T EXPLAIN.
THE DNR USED REALLY OLD ORTH PHOTOGRAPHY AS, AS THE BASE.
SO INSTEAD OF USING OUR, OUR 2022, WHICH IS WHAT I WOULD'VE RECOMMENDED THEY DID, THEY USED SOMETHING THAT WAS, THAT WAS MUCH OLDER THAN THAT.
AND, AND CONSEQUENTLY FOR IN SITUATIONS LIKE YOUR BROTHER, THEY WOULD GO TO THE MAP AND THEY WOULD SEE THE FLOODPLAIN LINE, BUT THEY WOULDN'T SEE THEIR HOUSE IN THE ORTHO PHOTO.
AND IT, AND IT CREATED CONFUSION FOR THEM.
SO I WISH THEY WOULD'VE USED THEIR 2022, BUT I WASN'T IN CHARGE OF THAT
JUST REAL CURIOUS, DO YOU NOTICE A ANY CHANGES FROM THE PREVIOUS ONES TO THIS ONE? IN TERMS OF THE FLOOD PLANE? YEAH.
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IT'S WHERE YOU WOULD EXPECT IT TO BE.SO IF THERE WAS DEVELOPMENT, IF THERE WAS OH, SURE.
IF, IF IT'S A, IF IT'S A FARM FIELD, YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE A LOT OF, UH, A LOT OF CHANGE AS YOU WOULD EXPECT BETWEEN THE 2015 AND THE 2025.
IF YOU GO BACK TO SOME OF THE OLDER, UH, DATA SETS, THE TECHNOLOGY USED TO DEVELOP THOSE CONTOUR MAPS, UM, MOST DIFFERENT.
AND CONSEQUENTLY, YOU WERE GONNA SEE SOME, SOME JUMPS.
UH, ONE OF THE BENEFITS, I WOULD SAY OF THE 2025 PROJECT IS THAT THE DENSITY OF THE POINTS THAT THEY COLLECT IS A LOT GREATER.
SO THE WAY THAT LIDAR WORKS IS THE PLANE GOES OVER AND IT'S SHOOTING PULSES OF LIGHT ONTO THE OR SURFACE, IT BOUNCES OFF THE EARTH'S SURFACE BACK TO THE PLANE, AND THEY KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THE PLANE IS AND EXACTLY HOW HIGH IT IT IS, AND HOW LONG IT TAKES FOR THE LIGHT TO MAKE THAT ROUND TRIP.
AND, UH, THEY CAN THEN VERY ACCURATELY DETERMINE, UH, THE EARTH'S SURFACE.
SO IN 2015, THERE WERE TWO TO THREE POINTS PER SQUARE METER.
IN 2025, IT'S GONNA BE MORE LIKE 20 OR 30 POINTS PER SQUARE METER.
SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A POINT EVERY APPROXIMATELY 0.6 FEET, WHICH MEANS IF YOU'RE MAPPING CURBS OR ANY HARD EDGE LIKE THAT, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT MORE POINTS.
AND THAT'S GONNA BE A LOT MORE ACCURATE IN THE MAPPING.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA SEE A SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT IN THE QUALITY OF DATA THAT, THAT, UH, THAT WE RECEIVED IN 20 THAT WE WILL RECEIVE IN 25, COMPARED TO WHAT WE DID IN 20, IN 2015.
SO EVEN THOUGH YOU ARE, YOU'RE BETTER AT MAPPING THINGS OUT THAN YOU, YOU KNOW, BACK IN THE DAY, YOU'RE, IT'S STILL, THE STUFF THEY DID BACK THEN IS FAIRLY CLOSE.
THE 2015 WAS THE, THE LIDAR TECHNOLOGY WAS, WAS WELL, WAS WELL ESTABLISHED ALREADY BY THEN.
IT'S JUST THAT YOU'RE NOT GETTING THOSE EDGES AS MUCH, BUT YOU KNOW, FOR AREA, FOR AREAS WHERE YOU'RE NOT SEEING A CURB OR A HARD EDGE LIKE THAT, UM, THE, THE, THE ELEVATION MAPPING, THE CONTOUR MAPPING WAS STILL VERY GOOD IN 2015.
SO THAT'S, UH, THAT'S ORTHO PHOTOGRAPHY AND LIDAR MAPPING, UNLESS THERE'S OTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT ONE.
UH, THEN, AND THEN THE, UH, THE LAST INITIATIVE IS, IS THIS IS A YEAR WHERE WE HAVE TO UPDATE OUR, OUR LAND INFORMATION PLAN IN ORDER TO PARTICIPATE IN THE WISCONSIN LAND INFORMATION PROGRAM AND, AND COLLECT AND RETAIN THOSE WISCONSIN LAND INFORMATION PROGRAM FUNDS THAT I WAS DESCRIBING EARLIER.
UH, ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS IS THAT WE NEED TO HAVE A LAND INFORMATION PLAN, AND WE NEED TO UPDATE THAT EVERY THREE YEARS.
UM, IN ORDER TO SPEND WISCONSIN LAND INFORMATION PROGRAM FUNDS ON A PROJECT, THAT PROJECT NEEDS TO BE IN THE PLAN.
SO THIS IS THE YEAR WHERE WE, UH, WE MEET WITH THE DEPARTMENTS AND DETERMINE ALL OF THEIR NEEDS.
AND WE, AND WE PUT TOGETHER, UM, THAT PLAN, UH, THAT PLAN WILL BE ADOPTED BY OUR LAND INFORMATION COUNCIL.
SO THAT'S KIND OF THE, THE FIRST STEP OF THE, THE TWO STEP PROCESS IN ORDER TO COMPLETE PROJECTS.
UM, THEY NEED TO BE IN THE PLAN.
THE SECOND STEP IS THAT YOU GUYS NEED TO APPROVE OUR BUDGET.
SO
AND, AND THAT'S ULTIMATELY THE, THE SECOND, THE SECOND PIECE, IN ORDER FOR US TO COMPLETE THOSE PROJECTS USING WLIP FUNDS.
SO WHAT, UM, WHAT ARE THE DATA POINTS ON, UH, THIS, UH, UH, LAND INFORMATION? WHAT, WHAT EXACTLY ARE THEY LOOKING FOR? BUILDING PROJECTS? WHAT, UH, SO YEAH, SO THE LAND INFORMATION, LAND INFORMATION, UM, THERE'S A STATUTORY DEFINITION OF IT, BUT THE, THE EASY DEFINITION IS IF YOU CAN MAP IT, IT'S LAND INFORMATION.
I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT IT IS.
UM, SO WHAT THEY'RE REALLY LOOKING FOR IS WHAT WE INTEND TO DO IN THE NEXT YEAR.
SO, UM, THERE ARE A COUPLE RECURRING PROJECTS THAT WE DO, LIKE OUR, OUR PUBLIC LAND SURVEY SYSTEM.
THE, THE FRAMEWORK FROM WHICH ALL PROPERTY SURVEYS IN THE COUNTY ARE, ARE BASED OFF OF.
THERE'S A, THERE'S ACTUALLY CONCRETE AND BRASS IN, IN THE GROUND EVERY HALF MILE.
AND, UH, AND WE DO A MAINTENANCE PROGRAM ON THAT EVERY YEAR THAT WE FUND OUT THE LAND INFORMATION PROGRAM.
SO ONCE EVERY 12 YEARS, THERE'S A SURVEYOR THAT'S GOING OUT THERE AND ACTUALLY INSPECTING THE, INSPECTING ALL OF THOSE MONUMENTS TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THAT SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT THAT THE COUNTY MADE IS, IS PROTECTED.
AND THAT PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE THAT MONUMENT, UH, THAT THEIR SURVEYS ARE ALL BASED OFF OF.
UM, IS, IS, IS THERE, SO THAT'S A RECURRING PROJECT THAT WE DO.
THERE'S SOME TRAINING THAT WE TAKE OUT OF THERE.
THERE'S SOME, UM, SOFTWARE SUPPORT THAT WE TAKE OUTTA LAND INFORMATION.
THOSE ARE KIND OF THE, YOU KNOW, THE RECURRING PROJECTS.
BUT THEN ANYTHING LIKE LIDAR AND ORTHO PHOTOGRAPHY, UM, THAT WILL ALL COME OUT OF THE LAND INFORMATION FUNDS.
UM, THERE'S A REGISTERED DEEDS IS DOING A SIGNIFICANT PROJECT RIGHT NOW TO DO SOME BACK INDEXING OF DOCUMENTS, SO
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IT'S EASIER TO SEARCH FOR THEM.THAT'S A LAND INFORMATION PROJECT.
THE HISTORIC TAX ROLL, UM, THAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER.
THAT'S A LAND INFORMATION FUNDED PROJECT.
SO ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THAT, UH, THAT IS DATA ACQUISITION, DATA ANALYSIS, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME HARDWARE, SOME SOFTWARE, THAT SORT OF THING WOULD, WOULD, WE WOULD PUT IN THE PLAN OF, OF, OF THINGS THE COUNTY NEEDS FOR THE NEXT, FOR THE NEXT THREE YEARS, WE WOULD PUT IN THAT PLAN.
AND THAT OPENS UP WLIP FUNDING TO COMPLETE IT.
IT INDICATES THIS PLAN IS DUE IN A MONTH AND A HALF.
ARE YOU ON TRACK TO BE DONE THEN? UH, SO IT'S ACTUALLY DUE TO THE STATE, UH, LATER IN THE YEAR.
MY GOAL IS TO HAVE MEETINGS WITH ALL OF THE DEPARTMENTS, UM, BY THE END OF JUNE, JUST TO GET THEIR IDEAS AND GET THEIR INPUT.
AND YEAH, WE'RE ON, WE'RE DEFINITELY ON TRACK TO, TO MEET THAT.
MY HOPE IS TO HAVE THE FIRST DRAFT OF THE PLAN FINISHED ABOUT THE END OF JUNE SO THAT LAND INFORMATION COUNCIL CAN, CAN LOOK AT THAT DRAFT AND, AND, UH, THERE'S STILL TIME IF WE NEED TO MEET AFTER THAT FOR A, FOR A SECOND ROUND OF, OF DRAFTS IF, IF THEY'RE UNABLE TO APPROVE THE, THE INITIAL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? JUST ONE WITH REGARD TO, UH, GIS AND THE TAX ROLL AND ALL THAT.
I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT WASHINGTON COUNTY KEEPS THOSE PUBLIC RECORDS AVAILABLE FOR FREE.
IT'S INTERESTING, WHEN YOU GO TO SOME OTHER COUNTIES, YOU GOTTA SIGN IN, YOU GOTTA SUBSCRIBE, ALL THAT STUFF.
SO THIS DATA THAT THE PUBLIC'S ALREADY PAID FOR, I REALLY LIKE THAT WE KEEP IT FREE FOR ACCESS TO THE PUBLIC.
YEAH, I MEAN, WE'VE, WE'VE, UH, WE'VE MADE IT REALLY EASY FOR THE, FOR THE PROFESSIONAL COMMUNITY TO GET ALL THE INFORMATION THEY NEED OUTSIDE OF THE NORMAL BUSINESS HOURS HERE AT THE COURTHOUSE.
THEY'RE ABLE TO GET IT, TO GET IT WHEN THEY NEED.
UM, I WILL MENTION THAT LEGISLATION WAS PASSED IN THE LAST SESSION THAT'S GONNA REQUIRE US TO TAKE, UM, FOR THE JUDGES SOME OF THAT INFORMATION OFFLINE AND EXACTLY HOW WE'RE GONNA DO THAT IN A WAY THAT, UH, MEETS THE STATUTORY, THE NEW, THE NEW, THE NEW LAW, BUT ALSO PROVIDES VALUABLE INFORMATION FOR EVERYBODY ELSE, IS A, IT'S GONNA BE A BIG PROJECT FOR US IN THE NEXT YEAR.
OUR NEXT DISCUSSION ITEM IS THE NEXT GENERATION HOUSING UPDATE.
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WANTED TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE, UM, BUT THIS IS GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN THE TYPICAL UPDATES THAT I'VE PROVIDED, UM, OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.UM, WE ACTUALLY HAVE, UM, SOME SUCCESS DASHBOARD, UM, YOU'RE PROVIDED IN YOUR, UM, HANDOUT ONLINE.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO GO THROUGH SOME OF THESE THINGS.
SO WE'VE GOT, UM, TWO ACTIVE PROJECTS RIGHT NOW.
UH, THE OAKS OF JACKSON AND SKYWAY PARK.
UH, WE'VE GOT 108 OWNER OCCUPIED DWELLING UNITS, UM, WITH BOTH OF THOSE PROJECTS.
UM, AS FAR AS THE, THE TAX REVENUE THAT'S GENERATED, WE'VE ACTUALLY HAD SIX CLOSINGS OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST COUPLE MONTHS.
UM, THE COUNTY WITH THOSE SIX HOMES, THE COUNTY INVESTED $120,000, UM, THAT'S $20,000 PER OWNER OCCUPIED.
AND THOSE FUNDS ARE, UM, TIED TO A LIEN THAT GETS PAID BACK TO THE COUNTY.
SO WE RECEIVED THAT $120,000 BACK, UM, AT THE CLOSE OF THOSE HOMES.
AND THEN WE JUST DID A VERY QUICK ESTIMATED, UM, TAX REVENUE THAT WOULD BE GENERATED JUST FROM THOSE SIX HOMES.
UM, IN ONE YEAR, WE'RE ALMOST LOOKING AT ABOUT $32,000.
AND THEN OVER THE COURSE OF 20 YEARS, AND AGAIN, THIS IS 2023 TAX RATE AND DOLLARS, UM, IT WOULD BE JUST OVER $600,000, UH, JUST FROM THOSE SIX HOMES THAT THE COUNTY INVESTED $20,000 EACH AND GOT THOSE FUNDS RETURNED.
SO IT IS QUITE, UM, A GOOD INVESTMENT FOR THE COUNTY.
AND, BUT THERE'S A, A REAL IMPACT, UM, THAT IS WELL BEYOND ALL THESE NUMBERS.
AND THAT IS REALLY THE, THE IMPACT THAT NEXT GENERATION IS HAVING ON THOSE THAT ARE PURCHASING THESE HOMES.
UH, WE WERE ABLE TO DO A VERY QUICK, UM, INTERVIEW, UH, WITH THE FIRST HOME BUYERS OF THE OAKS OF JACKSON.
UM, AND I WANTED TO SHARE THAT VIDEO WITH YOU.
IF IT WEREN'T FOR NEXT GEN HOUSING, WE PROBABLY WOULD BE SEARCHING FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF WE'D BE GUARANTEED TO FIND ANYTHING THIS YEAR.
I THINK WE WOULD JUST HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, SETTLE FOR SOMETHING, WHETHER THAT BE THE PRICE OR THE AGE OF THE HOME, OR NEEDING TO DO SOME UPGRADES RIGHT AWAY.
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THINK NEXT GEN HOUSING GAVE US KIND OF AN OPPORTUNITY TO NOT HAVE TO SETTLE FOR ANYTHING.IT WAS IN THE PRICE RANGE THAT WE WANTED.
IT WAS IN THE COMMUNITY WE WANTED, AND OBVIOUSLY IT'S A BRAND NEW HOUSE, SO THERE'S NOTHING WE'LL HAVE TO DO IN THE WAY OF UPGRADES ANYTIME SOON.
WE ARE JUST SO GRATEFUL TO PUT DOWN ROOTS HERE IN WASHINGTON COUNTY.
IT'S A WIN ALL THE WAY AROUND, HONESTLY.
THE, UM, TAX REVENUES, IS THIS ALL TAXING BODIES OR IS THIS SPECIFICALLY WASHINGTON COUNTY? THIS IS ALL TAXING BODIES.
ON THE PIE GRAPH ON THE LOWER RIGHT, MM-HMM.
DOES THAT INDICATE THAT THREE USE THE HART AND HOMESTEAD PROGRAM AND THE OTHER THREE HAVE THE MONEY FOR DOWN PAYMENT? THAT IS CORRECT.
WE ARE ALSO, WE ARE TRACKING HOW BOTH OF THOSE PROGRAMS, UM, INTERACT.
SO, AND THEN, UM, WE DO HAVE, UM, 31 HOMES, UM, THAT HAVE EITHER BEEN SOLD OR THAT ARE UNDER CONTRACT, UH, WITH ABOUT 62% OF THOSE BEING UNDER THE $320,000 PRICE POINT.
UM, AND ALL IN ALL, WE'VE GOT ABOUT 22 ACRES, UM, THAT HAVE BEEN DESIGNATED FOR NEXT GEN HOUSING.
UH, ON THE NEXT PAGE, UH, YOU'LL SEE THAT, UM, ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT, UM, IS THE NEXT GEN HOUSING FUND ALLOCATION.
UM, WE HAVE A TOTAL OF, UH, IT STARTED WITH 8.25 MILLION.
UM, SO FAR, 2.25 HAVE BEEN ALLOCATED.
AND THEN IT IDENTIFIES, UH, WHERE THOSE ALLOCATIONS, UM, HAVE BEEN MADE, UM, WITH ALMOST $6 MILLION REMAINING.
UH, THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE FUNDS, UH, THAT WILL BE REVOLVED BACK INTO THE PROGRAM AS THE HOMES ARE SOLD.
AND THEN ON THE NEXT PAGE, UM, FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT WERE NOT ABLE TO MAKE IT TO THE, UM, COUNTY BOARD TOUR OF THE OAKS OF JACKSON, UM, I WANTED TO PROVIDE A MAP OF THE, SO YOU CAN SEE THE HOMES THAT HAVE BEEN SOLD.
UM, AND AS OF THIS AFTERNOON, UM, ALL 10 OF THE DUPLEX UNITS, UM, HAVE BEEN SOLD.
SO THAT'S VERY GOOD NEWS 'CAUSE THAT WILL CERTAINLY HELP THE FINANCING FOR ALL OF THOSE, UH, INDIVIDUALS OWNING THOSE, UM, DUPLEXES.
AND THEN ON THE NEXT PAGE, YOU'LL SEE SOME OF THE PICTURES.
THESE ARE, UH, DRONE IMAGES, UM, THAT WERE JUST TAKEN ON MONDAY.
UH, SO YOU CAN SEE THE PROGRESS, UM, THAT IS HAPPENING WITH THE OAKS OF JACKSON.
AND THEN I'VE ALSO INCLUDED A MAP OF THE SKYWAY PARK.
UM, AND THEN ON THE NEXT PAGE YOU CAN SEE THE PROGRESS THAT'S BEING MADE, UM, ON THE NEXT TWO HOMES, UH, THE FIRST TWO HOMES WERE THE 320 PRICE POINT.
UH, THE NEXT TWO ARE THE $420,000 PRICE POINTS.
UM, AND LASTLY, I JUST WANTED TO DO A, A QUICK OVERVIEW.
I KNOW AT THE LAST COUNTY BOARD, UM, CHRISTIAN TELA GAVE YOU AN OVERVIEW OF THE, UM, H AND H WITH THE AWARDS, UM, AND THE APPLICATIONS.
AND, UH, IT IS A CO-MANAGEMENT, UM, AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE WITH EDWC.
UM, AND WE ARE, UM, PART OF DOING THE INCENTIVE EARNINGS.
AND I JUST WANNA PROVIDE INFORMATION TO YOU ON, UH, THE FACT THAT WE HAVE 11, UH, CLOSINGS FOR HNH, UM, AND WE ALREADY HAVE OVER $6,000 OF INCENTIVES THAT HAVE BEEN EARNED.
AND THEN THE LAST PAGE ARE THE NUMBER OF, UH, PARTICIPATING AGENCIES.
SO THIS IS A VERY QUICK OVERVIEW.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? UH, YES.
ON THE PAGE OF PARTICIPATING AGENCIES, UM, ARE YOU STILL LOOKING FOR MORE OR WOULD YOU WELCOME MORE? YES, WE ARE WELCOMING MORE.
I ANTICIPATE THAT OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT YEAR, WE'LL PROBABLY END UP WITH PROBABLY THREE TO FOUR TIMES THIS MANY.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF AN UPDATE AS WELL ON IN REGARDS TO ACTION HOUSING.
THERE'S A HANDFUL OF, UH, PROJECTS IN THE PIPELINE, UH, THAT WE ARE IN THE MIDST OF CONVERSATION, UH, COMMUNITIES, UH, EVERYWHERE IN THE COUNTY.
UM, JACKSON OF ANOTHER POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITY, KI WASUM.
UH, THERE'S ALSO SOME OPPORTUNITY, I BELIEVE MAYBE THE MOST AND RIPEST OPPORTUNITY HERE IN WEST BEND.
AS ALL OF YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A PLETHORA OF LAND THAT HAS NOT BEEN ON THE TAX ROLLS FOR LITERALLY OVER A HUNDRED YEARS, UM, THAT WE OWN.
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UM, AND I THINK THERE'S OPPORTUNITY TO GET IT ON THE TAX ROLL.UM, I WILL, I'LL TALK ABOUT THIS ON ANOTHER AGENDA ITEM LATER.
UM, BUT I THINK WE'RE LONG PAST TIME ASKING THE CITY COUNCIL TO HAVE A JOINT MEETING WITH THIS BODY.
UH, I THINK IT'S, IT'S MORE THAN APPROPRIATE FOR US TO BEGIN THAT CONVERSATION WITH THEM SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.
UH, IF YOU'RE WILLING TO ENTERTAIN IT, UM, THERE'S ENOUGH OF THE, UH, CONVERSATION BY RESOLUTION OR BY LETTER TO THE EDITOR OR BY FRONT PAGE NEWS ARTICLE.
I, I THINK WE JUST NEED TO TALK TO EACH OTHER INSTEAD OF TALKING PAST EACH OTHER.
UH, AND THIS IS ONE OF, YOU'LL SEE ON THE AGENDA LATER.
UM, UWM IS GONNA BE ANOTHER DISCUSSION.
WE HAVE TO BE PARTNERING WITH 'EM AND NOT TALKING PAST 'EM.
SO, UM, I JUST WANTED TO MENTION ALL, ALL THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT SIT IN FRONT OF US AND DEB'S WORKING TIRELESSLY, UH, TRYING TO FIND ANOTHER ONE, UM, SOON.
UM, AND I BELIEVE IF, IF WE WERE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A ACTUAL WORKING PARTNERSHIP, UH, HERE IN THE CITY OF WEST BEND, THEN IT WOULD REALLY OPEN THE DOOR FOR, FOR US TO BE ABLE TO DO SOME PRETTY, PRETTY SPECIAL THINGS.
SO THAT IN ADDITION TO THE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES AND KIOSK AND, AND, UH, UH, JACKSON, I, I'M REALLY OPTIMISTIC ABOUT WHERE THINGS ARE GOING WITH EXXON HOUSING.
THANKS TO DEB TO SAY THE LEAST.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO ADD ONE MORE THING, UM, IS THAT, UH, PROBABLY COMING UP NEXT MONTH, UM, AT THIS COMMITTEE, UM, IS GOING TO BE THE NEXT GENERATION, UM, HOUSING 2.0, UM, WHERE WE ARE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT INCREASING SOME OF THE LOWER PRICE POINTS, UH, AND SOME OF THE OTHER, UM, KEY FACTORS IN THERE.
THERE'LL BE A, UM, I'LL PRESENT THE OUTLINE OF THAT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE YOU AWARE THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT, UH, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON, UH, QUITE A BIT OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST THREE MONTHS.
SO WOULD THAT INCLUDE THINGS LIKE MUNICIPAL RULES, UH, PERTAINING JUST LOTS SETBACKS AND PERMITTING FEES AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF? IS THAT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? OR, UM, IT WILL NOT PER SE.
UM, BUT, UM, I MEAN, WE DO HAVE A, UH, A DOCUMENT WHERE WE HAVE COVERED THOSE ITEMS THAT HELP REDUCE DEVELOPMENT COSTS AND BUILDING COSTS.
AND ALL OF THOSE ITEMS ARE OUTLINED IN THERE.
AND WE HAVE, UH, PRESENTED THAT TO THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE, WHICH IS MADE UP OF ALL OF OUR CITIES AND VILLAGES.
SO THEY HAVE CERTAINLY HEARD ALL OF THIS INFORMATION, UM, AND WE CAN, CAN CONTINUE TO RECOMMEND, UM, THAT THEY MAKE THOSE CHANGES.
UM, BUT THAT IS CERTAINLY UP TO 'EM.
AND WE GO ONE STEP FARTHER, RIGHT? WE DON'T JUST RECOMMEND, WE INCENTIVIZE THE BEHAVIOR THAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE, UH, WHETHER IT'S WITH, UH, CONSOLIDATED OR SHARED SERVICES OR WHETHER IT'S WITH, UM, SOMETHING LIKE THIS, WHETHER IT'S WITH ELECTION INTEGRITY EFFORTS, UM, WE'RE WILLING TO, TO PUT OUR MONEY WHERE OUR MOUTH IS, NOT JUST TALK A BIG GAME.
SO WE'RE HOPEFUL THAT, UM, THESE, THESE INCENTIVES DRIVE PEOPLE TO, TO DO EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING BECAUSE THAT IS ONE OF THE MAJOR HURDLES.
UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, I DID WANNA MENTION, UH, AS THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS CHANGE, WE'RE NOT JUST CHANGING FOR THE SAKE OF CHANGING IT.
SOME OF IT IS MARKET DRIVEN UNDOUBTEDLY.
BUT WHAT MAKES OUR PROGRAM DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER PROGRAM IS WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT IT FROM THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT'S PERSPECTIVE.
MOSTLY THEY'RE SUBSIDIZING RENTALS.
WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT IT FROM THE BUILDER OR THE DEVELOPER'S PERSPECTIVE.
UM, PLENTY OF TIF DISTRICTS, UH, GIVE MA MONSTER INCENTIVES TO DEVELOPERS FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE.
WE ARE LOOKING AT IT ALWAYS FROM JOE, JOE AND JANE HOME BUYER.
WHAT IS THE MEDIAN INCOME? ALL OF CAN, WHAT CAN THEY AFFORD AT 30%? THAT'S ALWAYS WHERE WE START.
UM, SO I KNOW PEOPLE SAY OFTENTIMES, WELL, $320,000 ISN'T AFFORDABLE, OR $420,000 ISN'T AFFORDABLE ACTUALLY FROM STARTING HOUSE TODAY AT 30% OF THE INCOME 340, ABOUT, ACTUALLY THREE 40 IS YEAH.
IS IS THE MEDIAN PRICE AT THE MEDIUM HOUSEHOLD INCOME IN WASHINGTON COUNTY.
SO JUST AS YOU START TO SEE THE, THOSE THINGS AND YOU HEAR, I KNOW YOU'RE HEARING IT IN THE COMMUNITY, 'CAUSE I'M HEARING IT IN THE COMMUNITY, UM, IT'S NOT 1970 ANYMORE.
AND THE REALITY IS THAT 30% OF THE INCOME, IT, IT IS $340,000.
AND, AND, UM, IF YOU HAVE A, A DUAL INCOME MAKING $25 AN HOUR, UM, 30% OF THAT INCOME CAN BE TOWARDS HOUSING.
UM, AND IT IS BETWEEN 325 AND $340,000.
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PEOPLE'S INCOMES RISE A LITTLE BIT EVERY YEAR.SO WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT THIS MM-HMM.
UNDOUBTEDLY WHAT PEOPLE CAN AFFORD IS INCHED UP A LITTLE BIT.
UM, ALSO, THE COUNTY ATTORNEY HAS INFORMED ME THAT SINCE THIS BUSINESS ABOUT TALKING WITH WEST BEND CITY COUNCIL, WHILE IT'S A GOOD IDEA, IT DIDN'T GET ON THE AGENDA.
SO WE CAN'T LEGALLY TALK ABOUT IT TONIGHT.
UM, I LOVE, LOVE THE DASHBOARDS.
WHAT IS THE PLAN TO USE THEM JUST BEYOND OUR OWN INTERNAL USE? IS, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT CAN GET INTO THE COMMUNITY? OH, YEAH.
UM, WE CAN CERTAINLY SHARE THAT, UH, THROUGH SOCIAL MEDIA.
UM, AND WE CAN CERTAINLY HAVE THAT ON OUR WEBSITE FRONT AND CENTER.
UM, WE DO HAVE A, UM, IT WILL BE AN INTERACTIVE TYPE, UM, DASHBOARD FOR HEART AND HOME SET.
AND WE CAN CERTAINLY TRY TO ACHIEVE SOMETHING SIMILAR THAT, UM, LIVE DATA IS FED, UM, FOR THE NEXT GEN HOUSING.
WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK INTO THAT.
THIS WAS THE, A VERY QUICK DASHBOARD THAT I PUT TOGETHER BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN, UM, HAVING HOMES THAT HAVE BEEN CLOSING.
AND I REALLY WANTED YOU TO SEE THE, THE REAL SUCCESS AND THE IMPACT, UM, THAT THIS PROGRAM IS HAVING.
AND I THINK HAVING THAT, THE, THE VIDEO WITH, UH, THE FIRST HOMEOWNERS, I MEAN, IT REALLY, IT SHOWS WHAT THAT IMPACT CAN HAVE.
SO WOULD THERE EVER BE CONSIDERATION TO MAYBE SOME KIND OF CALCULATOR THAT YOUR AVERAGE JOHN AND PENNY, UM, THAT WAS IN THE VIDEO, COULD SIT AT THE, UH, OUR WEBSITE AND ACTUALLY PLUG IN THEIR INCOMES AND, AND PUT A CALCULATOR THERE AND GO, OH, WE CAN APPLY FOR THIS ACTUALLY BEING STUDENT? RIGHT.
I MEAN, A LOT OF, A LOT OF LENDING INSTITUTIONS HAVE THAT MORTGAGE CALCULATOR ALREADY.
UM, WHAT WE DO PROVIDE ARE, UM, INFORMATION ON THE BUILDERS.
SO WE, WE DON'T CONNECT THE HOME BUYERS TO THE HOMES.
WE ARE RELYING ON THE BUILDERS, THE REAL ESTATE AGENTS, UM, TO MAKE THAT CONNECTION.
UM, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY MAYBE DO A BETTER JOB OF, OF PROVIDING INFORMATION ABOUT, UH, NEXT GEN HOUSING AND THE HOMES THAT ARE AVAILABLE.
UM, MAYBE EVEN AS MUCH AS PUTTING ON THE MAP ON OUR WEBSITE THAT SHOWS WHAT'S BEEN SOLD AND WHAT HASN'T.
UM, SO WE'LL CERTAINLY DO A LOOK AT THAT.
I, I WAS AT A CLOSING MONDAY AND THE BANKER, THE MORTGAGE LADY AND THE REALTOR WERE ALL OVER OUR PROGRAM AND THEY WERE REALLY SELLING IT TO THE HOME BUYERS.
SO, UM, WE HAVE ALLIES LIKE THAT.
UH, STATE SENATOR DEWEY STROBEL FOR THOSE ON THE LISTENING AUDIENCE.
UM, AND I OF COURSE DEFEND THIS PROGRAM 'CAUSE I'M A BIG SUPPORTER OF IT.
AND YES, THIS DASHBOARD WOULD'VE BEEN REAL HANDY TO SHOW 'EM EXACTLY HOW NEXT GEN HOUSING IS AFFECTING OUR TAX BASE, OUR TAX ROLL, HOW THE MONEY'S COMING BACK, THE SERVICE HOURS THAT ARE BEING PERFORMED.
THIS IS ALL STUFF THAT I CAN DO TO A NAYSAYER AND SAY, LOOK, HERE'S THE RESULT.
IT'S HARD TO ARGUE WITH THIS DASHBOARD WHEN YOU SEE THE WRONG NUMBERS.
YEAH, I'LL GET THAT ON THE WEBSITE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
PERHAPS WE STROLL WE CAN TAKE A TOUR.
OUR NEXT ITEM IS THE DEBT POLICY DISCUSSION.
I BELIEVE THAT'S YOU, MR. EXECUTIVE.
UM, THERE'S A, A DOCUMENT BEING HANDED OUT TO
[c. Debt Policy Discussion]
YOU AS WE'RE TALKING, AND I'M SORRY TO, SORRY TO DO IT THIS WAY.IT CAN CERTAINLY BE A, A FUTURE, UH, DISCUSSION AS WELL.
UM, BUT CERTAINLY WANTED TO PRIME THE CONVERSATION.
I'VE, I'VE TALKED TO THE PREVIOUS EXECUTIVE, UH, COMMITTEE BEFORE.
UM, AND I, UM, UM, TELEGRAPH THIS A LITTLE BIT, UM, WHEN WE DID OUR STRATEGIC PRIORITY, UM, DISCUSSION, UM, BACK IN JULY OF LAST YEAR.
UM, BUT REALLY WHAT THIS BOILS DOWN TO, UH, IS, IS ASKING WHETHER IT'S THIS COMMITTEE OR A LARGER
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GROUP, UH, OF A STUDY GROUP TO START TO ANALYZE THE COUNTY'S DEBT POLICY.UM, AS YOU'LL I'LL, WHAT I'LL DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO, RATHER THAN TRYING TO HAVE YOU READ THROUGH THIS WHOLE DOCUMENT, IS PAGE TWO.
THERE'S BASICALLY THREE BULLET POINTS THAT I'M, I'M TRYING TO DRILL DOWN TO.
UH, THE FIRST IS, UM, OUR, HOW ARE WE USING OUR DOLLARS, UM, MOST EFFECTIVELY? IN OTHER WORDS, THE EXISTING CASH ON HAND THAT THE, THAT TAX LEVY THAT WE WORRY ABOUT EVERY YEAR, HOW ARE WE LEVERAGING THAT TO THE GREATEST EXTENT POSSIBLE? GETTING THE BIGGEST BANG FOR THE BUCK? SOMETIMES YOU, THERE, THERE'S SMART BORROWING AND THERE'S STUPID BORROWING.
UM, AND I THINK WE HAVE TO ANALYZE WHICH IS WHICH AND WHEN DO WE APPLY BORROWING AND WHEN DO WE NOT? WHEN I FIRST GOT TO THE COUNTY, AND I TOUCH ON THIS, IN THIS DOCUMENT, THEY HAD A POLICY OF, UH, ACTUALLY ONE OF THEIR TOP FIVE GOALS.
AND THEIR STRATEGIC PRIORITY WAS TO ELIMINATE ALL DEBT.
WELL, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU, BUT, UH, WHEN WE BUILD A ROAD THAT'S GONNA LAST 50 YEARS, IF YOU WERE TO BUILD A ADDITION ON YOUR HOUSE THAT'S GONNA LAST 50 YEARS, I DON'T PAY CASH FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND MY GUESS IS MOST PEOPLE DON'T EITHER.
UM, SECONDLY, UM, MAKING SURE IT'S NOT USED AS A REVENUE ALTERNATIVE.
SO YOU DON'T BORROW MONEY FOR GROCERIES OR PAYING BILLS.
UM, NOR SHOULD WE DO IT FOR SHORT TERM PURPOSES.
THERE ARE PLENTY OF SCHOOL DISTRICTS IN THIS STATE THAT DO THAT, UM, IN THIS COUNTY THAT DO THAT.
UH, THERE ARE ALSO MUNICIPALITIES IN THIS COUNTY THAT DO THAT.
UM, I, I CERTAINLY DON'T THINK WE SHOULD GO DOWN THAT PATH, BUT THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT ARE GRAY AREA.
UM, FOR EXAMPLE, LOTS OF PEOPLE BORROW MONEY FOR VEHICLES.
WHEN YOU'RE BUYING A SEDAN, THAT'S ONE THING.
WHEN YOU'RE BUYING A $300,000 PLUS SNOWPLOW TRUCK, THAT'S ANOTHER THING.
WE'VE NEVER HAD THAT DISCUSSION.
I'M NOT ADVOCATING ONE WAY OR ANOTHER AT THIS POINT, BUT I DO THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE TALKED ABOUT.
UM, I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO HAVE A STRATEGIC DISCUSSION BECAUSE IT IS QUITE POSSIBLE THAT IF WE WERE UTILIZING DEBT WISELY, IT MIGHT ACTUALLY FREE UP OPERATING DOLLARS THAT COULD POTENTIALLY RESULT IN TAX CUTS OR REDIRECTION TO THINGS LIKE ANTI-CRIME PLAN B ENHANCEMENTS OR, OR THINGS OF THAT NATURE IF YOU SO CHOSE.
AGAIN, WE HAVEN'T HAD THAT DISCUSSION BECAUSE IN A TYPICAL CONSERVATIVE FORM, WE JUST SAY NO.
UM, THAT'S THE EASIEST THING TO DO.
SO I I, MY ADVOCACY HERE, MY REQUEST HERE IS THAT WE SIMPLY HAVE A CONVERSATION.
WE PUT TOGETHER A WORK GROUP, UH, THE COUNTY BOARD CHAIR, AND I COULD WORK TOGETHER ON ESTABLISHING THAT, UH, AND TRY TO GET FEEDBACK AND RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THAT GROUP ON WHAT ARE SOME OF THE BEST PRACTICES WE SHOULD BE THINKING ABOUT, RATHER THAN WE'RE NOT GONNA DO IT UNLESS WE ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO, OR, OR, OR JUST KNOW
SO THAT, THAT'S THE DISCUSSION I WANTED TO AT LEAST BEGIN TODAY.
AND HOPEFULLY, UM, CONTINUING THAT IN THE COMING MONTHS BEFORE WE GET OURSELVES INTO THE, UH, THE FISCAL YEAR.
I BELIEVE THIS IS A WISE THING TO TAKE A LOOK AT.
YOU'RE CORRECT THAT WE COULD SAVE MONEY POTENTIALLY, BUT WE ALSO MUST BE MINDFUL OF BEING CONSERVATIVE BECAUSE IN FIVE YEARS WE COULD HAVE A WHOLE DIFFERENT COUNTY BOARD.
WE COULD HAVE A DIFFERENT COUNTY EXECUTIVE, AND THEN THE PATH TO RUIN IS VERY EASY TO SLIDE DOWN.
SO, UM, I THINK IF WE GET SOME FISCAL PROFESSIONALS, UM, TO FORM A TASK FORCE, HERE WE GO AGAIN WITH THE TASK FORCE.
I WOULD ADD THE DISCUSSION, UM, CERTAINLY, AND I, AND I THINK JOSH RAISES A GREAT POINT.
THERE IS GOOD DEBT INFRASTRUCTURE, THINGS LIKE THAT, WHEREAS THERE'S CRAZY DEBT OPERATING BUDGETS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, WHICH I WOULD NOT ENTERTAIN.
UM, NONE OF US WILL, YOU KNOW, BUT KEEPING IN MIND WHAT JEFF SAID TOO, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T REALLY STOP FUTURE BOARDS NECESSARILY.
I MEAN, THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY DECIDE TO DO.
SO I THINK IT, IT REALLY DOES HAVE TO BE VERY MINDFUL HOW WE DO IT, HOW WE STRUCTURE IT, BECAUSE, UH, I THINK HAVING LOW DEBT THAT WE'VE HAD FOR THE LAST EIGHT YEARS
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THAT I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD HAS BEEN ONE OF THE SECRETS TO OUR SUCCESS IN ENDURING THE GAP.UM, AND, AND SO I'D BE, I'D BE VERY, VERY AP I WANNA SAY THAT I, I WANT TO DO IT FOR CERTAIN THINGS, BUT I WANNA BE VERY CAREFUL AND VERY CONSERVATIVE IN HOW I DO IT.
UH, SO THAT WOULD JUST BE MY POINT OF VIEW.
BUT I, WE ABSOLUTELY NEED TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION.
I'M WILLING TO, UH, HAVE THE CONVERSATION AND, AND LEARN SOME MORE.
BUT I'M PROBABLY PERSONALLY, I, I RECOGNIZE THAT I'M WAY, WAY, WAY MORE DEBT AVERSE THAN THE GENERAL PUBLIC.
UM, SO, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, IF THERE, IF IT MAKES SENSE AND THAT CAN BE PROVEN, YEAH, CERTAINLY CONSIDER IT.
AND I THINK IN A, AS THE BOARD IN A VERY CONSERVATIVE COUNT COUNTY, WE SHOULD BE DEAM AVERSE CEREMONY.
I KIND OF LIKE TO CALL IT AS WE SEE IT
I MEAN, EVERY TIME WE, WE HAVE TO BORROW MONEY, WE HAVE FOR, YOU KNOW, THE RADIO STUFF AND THAT, AND I DON'T THINK THERE'S BEEN A PROBLEM, BUT LIKE I SAY, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE, UH, WE COULD SWALLOW TOO MUCH THAT, YOU KNOW MM-HMM.
THAT'S THE PART I DON'T WANNA GET TRAPPED INTO.
WELL, THE CRAZY THING IS WASHINGTON COUNTY, UH, REALLY IS ALLOWABLE FOR, WHAT IS IT, LIKE $800 MILLION WORTH? WE'RE OVER A BILLION NOW.
SO, I MEAN, REALLY, WE, WE BARELY EVEN SCRATCH THE SURFACE OF WHAT WE CAN SAY.
AND, AND SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S POSSIBLE WE COULD DO IT.
BUT WE GOT BIGGER PROJECTS COMING.
WE TALK ABOUT THE UW BUILDING AND SAMARITAN BUILDING AND YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH OUR LAND HERE.
THERE'S POSSIBILITIES THAT, THAT MIGHT BE A LITTLE SOMETHING WE MIGHT HAVE TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE APPETITE FOR IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
AND I THINK IT'S OUTLINED WELL, THE KEYWORDS TO ME ARE STRATEGIC AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT WE'RE CONSERVATIVE AND THAT IT'S A DISCUSSION.
SO, UM, LET'S HAVE THE DISCUSSION.
IT DOESN'T HURT TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION.
SO WE HAVE A CAUTIOUS CONSENSUS.
IT'S ABOUT WHAT YOU WERE EXPECTING, RIGHT? IT IS.
I MEAN, YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD WITH SOME OF THESE PROJECTS.
THE YES, WE ABSORBED THE FAIR PARK REMODELING.
I MEAN, WHICH IS A, NOBODY'S DOING THAT.
NO ONE, WE, I LITERALLY JUST CAME FROM A MEETING THIS MORNING.
VILLAGE OF JACKSON IS REMODELING ITS COMMUNITY CENTER AND IT PUT OUT A 20 YEAR NOTE.
THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY'S DOING.
WE'RE NOT, WE'RE PAYING $6 MILLION CASH.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, I SHOULDN'T SAY WE'RE PAYING $6 MILLION CASH, WE'RE USING OUR OPERATING FUNDS TO PAY FOR THAT DEBT.
EVERYBODY ELSE'S DEBT LEVYING FOR IT.
UM, THAT'S ONE THING YOU START TALKING ABOUT BUILDING NEW BUILDINGS OR, YOU KNOW, MASSIVE PURCHASES OF THAT VARIETY.
AND FOR US TO TALK SERIOUSLY ABOUT PAYING CASH FOR THOSE THINGS.
I MEAN, YEAH, THAT, BUT THAT HAS BEEN HOW WE'VE OPERATED FOR THE LAST 30 YEARS.
SO I, I THINK HAVING THAT DISCUSSION BEFORE WE FIND OURSELVES IN THE MIDDLE OF UWM OR, YOU KNOW, CHANGES TO THE MASTER PLAN THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE, UM, I, I DON'T WANNA WALK INTO IT AND, AND HAVE A FALSE SENSE OF, WELL THERE'S, WE'VE GOT ALL THIS MONEY, WE DON'T HAVE ALL THIS MONEY.
UM, YOU'RE, YOU'RE IN A TWO AGENDA ITEMS, YOU'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT HOW LITTLE MONEY WE HAVE
SO I THINK IT IS AN IMPORTANT CONVERSATION AND, AND AS YOU SAID, STRATEGIC AND WHEN DO WE NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT IT? THAT'S GOOD STUFF.
OUR NEXT ITEM IS THE GENERAL FUND TRANSFER FOR ONGOING MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION OF THE U-O-G-M-W-C FACILITY MOTION.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY SUPERVISOR CHADRON,
[d. 2024 Resolution: General Fund Transfer – UWM-WC Maintenance of Building and Ground]
SECOND BY SUPERVISOR KELLY.THE PACKAGE IS PRETTY SELF-EXPLANATORY,
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I SUPPOSE.MR. SCHMIDT IS CERTAINLY WELL WELCOME TO ANSWER ANY, ANY QUESTIONS.
I THINK EVERYBODY IS FAMILIAR WITH THE DUE TO PREP U2 BM PROPERTY AND THAT, UH, ALL THE MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITIES NOW FALL, UH, BACK IN THE COUNTY ON JULY ONE.
SO, UH, WE OBVIOUSLY DID NOT BUDGET FOR THAT.
UH, BACK IN THE MIDDLE OF 2023, WE STARTED THE BUDGET PROCESS.
SO WE'RE LOOKING FOR FUNDS TO DO THE MAINTENANCE OUT THERE.
WE GOTTA NOW PAY THE ELECTRIC BILL, THE SEWER BILL, CUT THE GRASS, ALBEIT LIMITED, UH, SNOW PLOW IN WINTER, UH, MAINTAIN PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE OUT THERE.
WE STILL GOTTA KEEP THE AIR CONDITIONING RUNNING.
WE GOTTA HEAT IT TO A CERTAIN LEVEL COME THIS WINTER.
SO AGAIN, WE'RE ONLY LOOKING FOR FUNDS FOR THIS CALENDAR YEAR.
UM, AND, UH, DEPENDING ON HOW THAT, UH, ROLLS OUT AND WHAT HAPPENS WITH THAT, UH, WE ARE, UH, IF YOU RECALL, WE DID APPROVE THE COUNTY BOARD DID APPROVE THE, UH, APPRAISER.
UH, THIS ACTUALLY THE EXECUTIVE APPROVED THE GOING THAT APPRAISER.
WE'LL HAVE THAT HOPEFULLY BY THE END OF JUNE.
UH, SO A LITTLE BETTER FEEL FOR WHAT WE'RE GOING ON AND AS WELL AS WORKING WITH, UH, THE CITY WEST BEND ON ON THE PROPERTY ITSELF.
SPEAKING OF, WHERE'S IT GOING? SPEAKING OF THANK MR CHAIRMAN, SPEAKING OF THE CITY OF WEST BEND.
SHOULDN'T THEY BE, UH, INVOLVED IN SOME OF THE COSTS WITH THIS? I MEAN, YOU KNOW, SO THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT I WISH THEY WERE HERE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
UM, BUT YEAH, I MEAN, MOVING FORWARD, DEPENDING ON WHAT WE DO WITH THIS BUILDING, THEY ARE GOING TO BE RECEIVING SOME FUNDS, UH, FROM THE SALE OF THIS PROPERTY IF WE DECIDED TO SELL IT OR WHATEVER WE DO WITH IT.
UH, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT IF WE'RE PUTTING IN ALL THE MONEY AND THEY'RE JUST GONNA BENEFIT IN THE END, I DON'T THINK THAT'S QUITE RIGHT.
I, IF I MAY INTERRUPT, I WILL POINT OUT THAT THEY ARE, THEY'VE OFFERED TO PAY 28% OF THE COST OF THE APPRAISAL.
NOW, WHERE 28% COME FROM, WE DON'T REALLY KNOW.
BUT I I HEARD BRAD APPROVED IT.
I DON'T THAT'S WHAT I WAS TOLD
THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE OFF OFFERED US 28%, UM, OF, OF THE APPRAISAL COSTS.
UM, I I ACTUALLY THINK THIS IS, THIS IS PART OF WHY I SAID WHAT I SAID ABOUT THE CITY.
UM, TO YOUR POINT, I, I DON'T, MY PERSONAL POSITION ON THIS RESOLUTION IS WE SHOULDN'T TOUCH THIS THING WITH 120 FOOT POLE UNTIL WE'VE HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THOSE PEOPLE FACE TO FACE THAT CITY COUNCIL AS A WHOLE, THE MAYOR, UM, I, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE ADMINISTRATOR IS PULLING, UH, THE 28% NUMBER.
I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE KNOW.
WHERE, WHERE THAT NUMBER CAME FROM? I DON'T KNOW.
I DO KNOW IF, IF, UH, THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE WOULD, WOULD ALLOW, OR LIKE I, I HAVE DONE SOME RESEARCH INTO THE OWNERSHIP OF THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY.
I SAT DOWN WITH THE, UH, REAL PROPERTY LISTER AND WE WENT THROUGH, UH, WHATEVER DOCUMENTS WE COULD POSSIBLY FIND THAT WOULD INDICATE WHAT I BELIEVE THE OWNERSHIP SPLIT TO BE, UH, ON THE PARCEL.
IF I MAY DISCLOSE THAT TO THE, UH, THE COMMITTEE.
UH, IT'S 60 40 OWNERSHIP, 60% COUNTY, 40% CITY IS HOW THE, UH, THE PROPERTY'S OWNERSHIP IS DIVIDED.
THERE MAY BE, AND I THINK THERE ARE OTHER AGREEMENTS THAT SPLIT COSTS REGARDING MAINTENANCE AND WHO PAYS FOR CERTAIN THINGS.
BUT THE PROPERTY OWNERSHIP IS 60 40, AND THIS GOES BACK MANY YEARS INTO THE SEVENTIES, I THINK EVEN SO MAYBE 76, I THINK IS THE MOST RECENT DEED WE COULD FIND.
SO WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO DIG UP WHATEVER DOCUMENTS WE CAN.
AND AS THE COMMITTEE KNOWS, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE, SOME OF THESE AGREEMENTS GO BACK DECADES AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE, I THINK THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE MENTIONED ONCE PRACTICALLY WRITTEN ON NAPKINS.
RIGHT? I MEAN, THESE THINGS ARE VERY VAGUE AND VERY INFORMAL AND THEY'RE SCATTERED ALL OVER THE PLACE.
SO WE'RE TRYING OUR BEST TO PIECE THINGS TOGETHER.
AND UM, UH, OVER THE COURSE OF TIME WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO ANSWER CERTAIN QUESTIONS.
THIS IS THE MOST RECENT ONE I'VE BEEN ASKED.
WHAT'S THE OWNERSHIP? 60 40? YEAH.
AND I THINK WE HAD AN, THE MOST RECENT AGREEMENT IN, UH, 2016 WITH, WITH THE TRANSFER OF RIDGELAND PARK AND ALL OF THAT.
UM, THERE, IT REALLY BOILED IT DOWN JUST TO MAINTENANCE.
AND THE COUNTY TOOK RESPONSIBILITY FOR EVERYTHING, WHICH IS WHY WE INITIALLY DRAFTED THIS AS US TAKING RESPONSIBILITY FOR EVERYTHING.
BUT BETWEEN THIS AND THE 1.8 MILLION WE'VE GOT ALLOCATED FOR THAT ELECTRICAL.
I MEAN, IF THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S TOO MUCH POSTURING GOING ON.
I THINK THE ONLY WAY TO RESOLVE THIS, SIMILAR TO THE NEXT GENERATION HOUSING STUFF, THE ONLY WAY TO RESOLVE THIS IS TO GET THEM IN A ROOM TOGETHER.
AND I'VE FOUND LIMIT, VERY, VERY LIMITED SUCCESS IN TRYING TO DO IT BEHIND CLOSED DOORS.
ONE-ON-ONE WITH PEOPLE LIKE LET'S HAVE THE DISCUSSION AS COLLECTIVE GROUPS.
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AND I, I, I WOULD RECOMMEND YOU TO POSTPONE THIS RESOLUTION UNTIL YOU'VE HAD THAT DISCUSSION.MY OTHER THOUGHT WAS WHAT IF WE, OBVIOUSLY WE TRACK EVERYTHING WE SPEND ON THAT BUILDING AND IF THE, IF WE EVER DO SELL IT, DEDUCT 40% OF WHAT WE SPENT ON IT FROM WHAT THEY GET AT THE END, RIGHT? I MEAN, IS THAT A LEGAL OPTION? LEGAL, SURE.
I'M SURE BRAD, BRAD WILL GO TO COURT WITH WHATEVER PARAMETERS YOU GIVE HIM.
BUT I COULD DEFEND THAT
I MEAN, THAT WAY YOU GET SOME OF THE MONEY BACK.
IT IS, BUT HERE'S THE THING THAT I'M, I'VE JUST GOTTEN TO THE POINT WHERE I'M BEYOND FRUSTRATED.
LIKE THE, WE, THESE ARE OUR CONSTITUENTS COLLECTIVELY, AND MANY OF YOU ARE REPRESENT PORTIONS OR ALL OF WEST BEND.
UM, WE SHOULD BE SITTING AT A TABLE FIGURING THIS OUT AHEAD OF TIME, NOT WAITING TILL WE'VE GOT AN APPRAISAL AND OKAY, WE'LL GIVE YOU 28%.
WELL, HOW ABOUT 22? LIKE, YEAH, THE PROBLEM IS IF WE LAY OUT THIS MONEY, WE WON'T SEE A DIME.
THAT'S THE, IF I WERE THEM, I WOULDN'T PAY YOU A DIME.
I THINK THE, I THINK THE COMMUNITY IS FRUSTRATED AND, AND I'M FRUSTRATED AND IT'S EMBARRASSING AS HELL.
LIKE, LET'S, LET'S GET EVERYBODY IN A ROOM AND START TALKING TO ONE ANOTHER BEFORE, AS YOU SAID BEFORE, WE ALLOCATE ANOTHER QUARTER MILLION AND THAT BEFORE YOU KNOW IT, IT'LL BE ANOTHER QUARTER MILLION.
IT'S A, I THINK IT'S A HALF A MILLION DOLLARS A PER YEAR.
HALF A MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR FOR JUST TO KEEP THE LIGHTS ON AND THE TOILET'S FLUSHING ESSENTIALLY.
SO I, AGAIN, I'M REC IT'S YOUR COMMITTEE, YOU DO WHAT YOU WANT, BUT I I, I'LL RECOMMEND IT TO YOU.
AND IF IT GOES TO THE COUNTY BOARD, I'LL RECOMMEND TO THEM PUSH THIS OFF UNTIL WE CAN MEET WITH THEM FACE TO FACE.
I'M OKAY WITH PUSHING IT OFF, BUT WHAT DOES THAT DO TO THAT MASTERY ELECTRICIAN THAT WE WERE HOPING TO PICK UP? DOES THAT SIT IN LIMBO THEN, OR? NO, WE'RE GONNA MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT, WITH THE FUNDS THAT WE HAVE IN OUR ACCOUNTS FOR THE, UM, FOR FACILITIES DEPARTMENT.
SO YOU, YOU WON'T LOSE OUT ON SOMEBODY THAT'LL COME IN HANDY.
WHAT'S THE DOWNSIDE? IF WE, WELL, BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE, IF WE POSTPONE THIS, THIS WILL GET DRAGGED OUT.
BUT DOES THE POWER COMPANY TURN OFF THE LIGHTS WHEN UDW PULLS OUT OR ARE WE ON THAT BILL? WELL, IF WORSE FROM A FI FROM A FINANCIAL PURELY FINANCIAL PERSPECTIVE, IF THE WORST CAME TO WORSE AND SCOTT NEEDED A QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS IN JUNE, WE CAN COME TO YOU JUSTICE GROUP AND ASK FOR STRATEGIC PRIORITIES.
MONEY RIGHT NOW, I DON'T SEE THAT, THAT IF WE HAVE A MEETING WITH THE CITY, THE FIRST ONE IS GOING TO NOT ACCOMPLISH A LOT THE, THE CHAIRMAN AND I EXPERIENCED THAT WITH THE CHIEF ELECTED OFFICIALS.
BUT BY THE SECOND OR THIRD MEETING, WE CAN GET DOWN TO BRASS TACKS AND OVER OUR ISSUES AND EGOS AND WHATEVER ELSE IT MIGHT BE AND START GETTING SOME CONSTRUCTIVE THINGS DONE.
I MEAN, UW IS OUT OF THERE AT THE END OF JUNE.
AND THE LONGER WE WAIT FOR THAT CONVERSATION, THE MORE WE'RE JUST GOING AND PUSHING OURSELVES FARTHER AND FARTHER OUT ON A LIMB HOPING THAT BRAD'S GONNA DEFEND US IN COURT FOR 22%
I THINK IF WE WERE TO TABLE THIS AND TAKE A HARD LINE, UM, I THINK IN THE IMMEDIATE, PROBABLY GONNA RAISE MY BROW AND GET SOME FEATHERS RUFFLED, BUT, UH, I THINK IT SENDS A PRETTY STRONG MESSAGE TO THE CITY THAT WE'RE NOT A BUNCH OF CHUMPS WHO ARE JUST GONNA SIT AROUND AND PAY FOR ALL THIS, UH, WHILE THEY REAP THE BENEFIT OF IT.
AND I THINK THAT IS, AND I HATE TO SAY THIS IN AN OPEN MEETING, BUT HEY, IT'S JUST TRUE.
YOU KNOW, WHEN IT COMES TO DISCUSSIONS WITH THE CITY, IT'S BEEN LIKE, WELL, YOU JUST GO AHEAD AND PAY FOR IT.
YOU'VE GOT ALL THIS MONEY, WE'RE BROKE.
WELL, THAT'S NOT OUR FAULT THAT YOU'RE BROKE
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THAT SEEMS TO BE WITH ROADS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
SO I THINK IT IS PROBABLY IN OUR INTEREST AND IN THE COUNTY'S INTEREST, THE COUNTY TAXPAYER TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION AND, AND PUT OUR DUCKS IN A ROW AND FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO BEFORE WE START LAYING OUT TAXPAYER DOLLARS TOWARDS THIS PROJECT.
WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE DIVISION IS.
PEOPLE IN GERMANTOWN SHOULDN'T BE PAYING FOR, YOU KNOW, THIS, UH, THAT WEST BEND BENEFITS FROM.
AND I SAY THAT AS A WEST BEND SUPERVISOR.
WELL, AND AND THERE'S SO MUCH OPPORTUNITY OUT THERE, GUYS.
WE WALKED, IT WAS THAT LAST WEEK.
I MEAN, IT'S 80 ACRES, IT'S 200,000
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SQUARE FEET.I MEAN, 200,000 SQUARE FEET IS BIGGER THAN KETTLE MERA LUTHERAN HIGH SCHOOL.
WE HAVE SO MUCH OPPORTUNITY IMMEDIATELY IN THE KETTLE MERA RIGHT NEXT TO RIDGE RUN PARK.
THIS IS, THIS HAS JUST GOTTA STOP.
AND I'VE HEARD IT FROM PLENTY OF COUNTY BOARD SUPERVISORS IN MY ONE-ON-ONES THAT THE RELATIONSHIP NEEDS TO GET FIXED.
AND THIS IS THE PERFECT PROJECT TO START WITH, RIGHT? ON THE HEELS OF, UH, TALKING ABOUT LEAD LATERALS AND, AND HOPEFULLY NEXT GENERATION HOUSING, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER.
I JUST, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD SHELL OUT ANOTHER QUARTER MILLION WITHOUT HAVING A MU IT, IT'S GOTTA BE A COLLABORATIVE DISCUSSION.
IT'S, IT HAS TO BE WHAT THE HISTORY OF THIS CAMPUS IN PARTICULAR, IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW THE COUNTY DIDN'T GO SEEKING THE CAMPUS.
THE CITY DID THE CITY INITIALLY, IF I REMEMBER THE HISTORY CORRECTLY, THE CITY INITIALLY HAD A HUNDRED PERCENT OWNERSHIP.
AND LITERALLY, ALMOST AS SOON AS THEY BOUGHT IT, THEY CAME TO THE COUNTY SAYING, YOU NEED, WE NEED YOUR HELP.
AND EVENTUALLY IT TURNED ALL THE WAY OVER TO 60 40.
AND I THINK IN THAT LAST AGREEMENT, I'M ASSUMING THAT'S WHERE THE 28% COMES FROM, BUT IN THAT LAST AGREEMENT, IT WAS MORE LIKE 72 28 OR 80 20 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT ABOUT THAT.
IN THE MAINTENANCE AGREEMENTS, IT'S SPLIT LIKE THAT.
SO IT, WE GOTTA WORK THROUGH THIS TOGETHER.
AND AGAIN, I WON'T KEEP KICKING A DEAD HORSE.
WELL, BUT ONE THING I'D LIKE TO ADD TO THAT TOO IS THE POTENTIAL FOR THIS PROPERTY AS SOMETHING USEFUL OR EVEN A COMPLETE TEAR DOWN IN REDEVELOPMENT COULD TOTAL IN THE MILLIONS AND IT COULD BE WELL WORTH IT TO THE CITY OF WEST BEND TO GET INVOLVED AND HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS.
'CAUSE AT THE END OF THIS, THERE COULD BE A VERY LARGE PAYCHECK TO THEM.
OH YEAH, THEY, WELL, SO THE STATE ALLOCATED $2 MILLION THAT IS UNRELATED TO THE QUARTER MILLION.
BUT THAT 2 MILLION, THERE'S A, THERE'S A NUMBER OF USES THAT IT COULD BE LEVERAGED FOR.
WE, WHEN WE WALKED THE PROPERTY, WE DIDN'T JUST WALK THE BUILDING, WE WALKED TO THE BACK EDGE.
THERE'S WHAT, 15 OR 20 ACRES TAKE THAT, THAT 15 OR 20 ACRES COULD BE TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF A NEW EQUALIZED VALUE OR SU VALUE.
THE CITY AND US COULD WORK TOGETHER AND PLAY OUR CARDS.
UM, BUT WE'RE NOT, AGAIN, WE'RE NOT TALKING TO EACH OTHER.
WE'RE TALKING PAST EACH OTHER.
LIKE, LET'S NOT SEND THEM ANOTHER RESOLUTION AND SAY, OH, YOU'RE GONNA OWE US 28% OF A QUARTER MILLION SUPERVISOR, CHAD.
CAN WE SET UP A PUBLIC MEETING? I MEAN, IS THAT THE NEXT STEP? I MEAN, LET'S HAVE A PUBLIC MEETING WITH THEM THEN.
AND TO BRAD'S POINT, IT'S A CONSENSUS HERE.
BUT, UM, BUT YES, I MEAN IF I, I THINK THE CHAIRMAN AND I CAN CERTAINLY FIRE OFF A MESSAGE AND I THINK IT'S GOTTA GO TO THE WHOLE COUNCIL AND TO THE MAYOR AND COPY THE ADMINISTRATOR AND SAY, WE WANNA MEET SOON.
AND WOULD IT BE WITH THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE OR THE WHOLE BOARD OR HOW D THAT I DEFER TO YOU GUYS.
THAT'S, THAT'S UP TO THE CHAIRMAN.
I GUESS I WOULD, I DON'T SET AGENDAS US, I WOULD MOTION TO POSTPONE UNTIL, UH, PROPER MEETING AND DUE DILIGENCE HAS BEEN DONE WITH THE CITY OF WEST BEND.
I'LL DEFER TO OUR PARLIAMENTARY.
IS A MOTION A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE FLOOR? YES.
A MOTION TO POSTPONE IS IN ORDER, AND MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT YOU POSTPONE, UH, TO THE NEXT EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE MEETING SO THAT THE, UH, SO THAT THE, UM, THE RESOLUTION DOESN'T DIE THIS SESSION AND CAN CONTINUE AND YOU CAN ALWAYS POSTPONE IT AGAIN IF YOU NEED TO AFTER THAT, BUT AT LEAST IT'S POSTPONES AND KEEPS IT ON YOUR, ON YOUR RADAR.
I'LL SET THAT AS A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD SECOND FOR A FRIENDLY BIT OF ADVICE FROM THE PARLIAMENTARIAN PAID THE MOTION AND SECOND, CORRECT.
SO WITH THAT, BRAD, DO WE HAVE THE, WE THEN HAVE THE UNDERSTANDING THAT IT'S POSTPONED SO THAT WE CAN HAVE THIS THING SET UP.
IT'S NOT PART OF THE MOTION, BUT IT'S IMPLIED.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YES.
SO THIS RESOLUTION IS POSTPONED TO BE CONSIDERED AGAIN AT YOUR NEXT MEETING AND WHATEVER YOU CHOOSE TO DO BETWEEN NOW AND THEN TO SATISFY YOUR, YOUR DESIRE TO HAVE A MEETING AND SO FORTH, YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND IF YOU'RE NOT READY WHEN YOU COME BACK NEXT MONTH, YOU CAN POSTPONE AGAIN IF YOU NEED TO.
WE JUST GOTTA MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T IGNORE THE RESOLUTION SO THAT IT DIES.
IF IT DOES DIE, THEN IT CAN'T BE BROUGHT BACK AGAIN THIS SESSION.
THAT'S THE LAST THING I THINK YOU WANT.
SO YEAH, THEN SCOTT WILL WANT 300.
MAKE SURE THAT GIVES HIM THE AGENDAS.
SO WE'RE GOOD TO VOTE ON THAT.
NOW A DETAIL, I THINK THAT MEETING SHOULD BE EXECUTIVE AND THEIR COUNCIL.
IF WE GET 21 BOARD MEMBERS YEAH, THAT'S 11 COUNCIL MEMBERS.
WE WON'T GET ANYTHING DONE, I DON'T BELIEVE.
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I WOULD ASSUME IT'S GONNA COME BACK TO THE BOARD AT SOME POINT.ANYWAYS, THE FINAL AGREEMENTS, EVERY, EVERY MEETING BOARD.
EXPERIENCE SAYS NOTHING WILL GET DONE IN THAT FIRST ONE ANYWAY, BUT RIGHT.
SO FOR CLARITY, THE, UH, CHAIRMAN WILL SET UP, WILL CONTACT THE, UH, YEAH, WE CAN WORK, WE CAN DRAFT SOMETHING TOGETHER.
UM, AND DRAFT AN AGENDA AND GET THAT SET UP FOR US.
SO, UH, GENERAL FUND TRANSFER FOR SAMARITAN COST.
[e. 2024 Resolution: General Fund Transfer for Samaritan Costs]
SCH.UM, THIS IS, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM, UH, THE, YOUR MATERIALS, THIS IS A GENERAL FUND TRANSFER, UH, FOR SAMARITAN.
AND A LOT OF THESE ARE CLOSEOUT COSTS, SO HOPEFULLY YOUR EYES DIDN'T BULGE COMPLETELY OUT OF YOUR HEAD WHEN YOU
UM, SO FOR, I'VE HAD THIS DISCUSSION WITH MARGIE AND AARON, AND MATT IS HERE AS WELL.
HE ALSO THEN LATER HIS EYES ALSO BULGED AND HE WENT AND HAD THE DISCUSSION WITH BOTH OF THEM.
UH, IN ADDITION TO THAT, UM, THE FIRST AND BIGGEST NUMBER THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS ACTUALLY ACCUMULATION OVER MULTIPLE YEARS.
AND IT HAS, THIS WAS WHY I WAS A LITTLE BIT, UH, VAGUE WHEN I WAS TALKING ABOUT GENERAL FUNDS THE OTHER DAY BECAUSE I KNEW THIS AGENDA ITEM WAS COMING, BUT IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA, SO I'M NOT ALLOWED TO TALK ABOUT IT.
BUT THE, WE HAVE ALREADY ALLOCATED, UH, IN, IN THE FINANCIALS, THE DOLLARS FOR THE, THE, UM, THE $5 MILLION FOR THE PAST YEARS.
THAT PORTION OF IT, UH, IS LESS OF A CONCERN.
UM, SO IN OTHER WORDS, YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE A MASSIVE DROP IN GENERAL FUND BALANCE BECAUSE OF THAT PART OF IT.
THE BALANCE OF IT, HOWEVER, UH, ARE THINGS THAT, UM, WILL ACTUALLY BE WHAT YOU THINK OF AS THE SAVINGS ACCOUNT OR A GENERAL FUND TRANSFER, SO TO SPEAK.
UM, THAT WILL LOWER, IN THIS CASE, IT'LL LOWER THE, UH, PROPERTY TAX RELIEF FUND EFFECTIVELY.
UM, SO IT'S IMPACTFUL IN THAT REGARD.
UH, WE KNEW, WE'VE KNOWN FOR A LONG TIME, IT'S BEEN COMING, I THINK YOU'VE HEARD AT TASK FORCE MEETINGS AND AD HOC COMMITTEE MEETINGS AND COM HUMAN SERVICES COMMITTEE MEETINGS, THAT THERE, THERE IS A BIG SUM THAT NEEDED TO BE TRANSFERRED.
THIS IS THAT BIG SUM TO BE A HUNDRED PERCENT TRANSPARENT.
UM, WE WILL TALK IN CLOSED SESSION, UH, ABOUT THE SALE PROCESS AND PROCEEDS AND NEGOTIATIONS AND SO FORTH.
UM, BUT HOW ALL OF THAT PLAYS OUT, SPECIFICALLY THE TIMING OF THAT WILL ALSO DICTATE WHAT FUTURE GENERAL FUND TRANSFERS NEED TO HAPPEN.
AND THERE WILL NEED TO BE FUTURE GENERAL FUND TRANSFERS THAT NEED TO HAPPEN.
UH, I WILL LET MATT SPEAK MORE SPECIFICALLY TO THE, TO THE PARTS THAT ARE NOT HISTORIC, SO TO SPEAK, UH, THAT ARE GENERAL FUND TRANSFERS IN THE WAY YOU TRADITIONALLY ARE FAMILIAR WITH THEM.
BUT SUFFICE IT TO SAY THIS IS A BIG NUMBER.
UH, THERE WILL BE STICKER SHOCK, BUT IT'S NOT THE LAST NUMBER.
THERE WILL ALSO BE FUTURE NUMBERS THAT ARE, SAY, SEVEN FIGURES THAT YOU SHOULD PREPARE FOR AS WELL.
IF THERE WAS EVER A REASON TO EXPOUND UPON WHY SELLING THE SAMARITAN WAS THE WAY TO SAVE THE SAMARITAN, THIS IS STEP ONE OF MULTIPLE STEPS FOR WHY.
UM, THERE'S THE MATTER OF THE OUTSTANDING LOAN FROM THE UPGRADES THEY DID IN 2008 OR 2009, 2000, I THINK THERE WAS.
2 MILLION BUCKS OR THEREABOUTS.
IS THAT ALMOST PART OF THIS OR IS THAT IT? IT IS, IT IS NOT PART OF THIS.
SO YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO ALLUDE TO WITHOUT TALKING TOO MUCH ABOUT, UH, THE NE NEXT AGENDA ITEM OR THE CLOSED SESSION AGENDA ITEM IS THERE WILL BE ADDITIONAL EXPENSE.
SOME OF IT IS GOING TO BE DEBT RELATED, SOME OF IT'S GONNA BE JUST NATURAL CLOSEOUTS.
WE DON'T KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, WHAT IS IT ABOUT THREE MONTHS TIME BY UNTIL YOU'RE ABLE TO KIND OF CLOSE OUT THE VERY LAST, UH, THREE TO FIVE MONTHS.
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BE A, A LAG HERE THAT YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO KNOW UNTIL THINGS ARE FINALLY FINALIZED.SO, SO TO SPEAK, PROBABLY THE END OF THIS YEAR OR THE FIRST PART OF NEXT YEAR.
IS THAT FAIR? THAT'S, YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT.
FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE WERE TO CLOSE, UM, AND ON JULY 1ST, WE HAVEN'T BILLED FOR JUNE MM-HMM.
SO BY JULY 10TH OR 12TH, WE'LL BILL FOR THAT LAST MONTH.
AND THEN WHEN YOU LOOK AT COLLECTIONS, WE'RE WE STILL, IF WE DREW THE LINE JULY ONE, WE PROBABLY ARE LOOKING AT SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF A MILLION TO A MILLION AND A HALF OF OUTSTANDING RECEIVABLES.
AND SO IT WILL TAKE US THREE TO FIVE MONTHS TO COLLECT.
UH, JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION, MR. IF YOU WHAT? FINISH JUST A POINT.
SO THEN ONE, 1.327 IS THE ACTUAL AMOUNT THAT'S COMING FROM THE GENERAL FUND.
THE OTHER, IT, IT ALL TECHNICALLY IS COMING FROM THE GENERAL FUND.
THE FIRST PORTION HAS ALREADY BEEN PARKED.
WE'VE ALREADY PARKED THAT MONEY.
SO THE ACTUAL IMPACT FOR TODAY TO THE YES.
TO THE PROPERTY TAX RELIEF FUND OR THE UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCE AS WE TYPICALLY REFER TO IT.
JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I HAD THAT STATEMENT.
BECAUSE I, I THOUGHT WE ALREADY APPROVED SOME OF THIS STUFF IN THE PAST, RIGHT?
SO THAT YES, THANK YOU FOR ASKING THAT.
THAT'S ACTUALLY A REALLY GOOD POINT.
THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR FOUR YEARS.
ARPA HAS BEEN COVERING IT CORRECT.
IT'S COME TO HUMAN SERVICES COMMITTEE.
UM, BUT IT HASN'T COME TO THE EXECUTIVE AND IT CERTAINLY HASN'T COME TO THE BOARD.
THIS IS NOW THE BOARD HAS GOTTA MAKE THIS ONE AND THERE WILL BE OTHERS THAT COME.
SO SEVEN AGAIN, THOSE WILL, THIS WON'T BE THE LAST ONE AND THE NEXT ONE WILL BE MORE THAN LIKELY SEVEN FIGURES AS WELL, BUT IT WON'T COST US 2 MILLION A YEAR MOVING FORWARD.
SO WE'LL DIVE INTO THE, SOME OF THE MORE SPECIFICS, UM, ON THOSE THINGS LATER.
BUT, UM, EVEN IN THAT SCENARIO, WE'RE NOT TALKING, YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET ANOTHER 2 MILLION AND ANOTHER 2 MILLION AND ANOTHER 2 MILLION.
WE'RE TRYING TO PACKAGE ONE TO BASICALLY CLEAN THE BOOKS BEFORE WE GO THROUGH ALL OF THIS CLEANUP WORK FROM THE, THE CLOSURE OF THE SALE.
YEAH, I GUESS MY POINT WAS THAT WE'VE BEEN LOSING, WHAT, 2 MILLION A YEAR? OH, YEAH.
THE, THE AMOUNT OF ARPA DOLLARS THAT HAVE GONE TO SAMARITAN ISN'T MULTIMILLION IN OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? NO, I'M GOOD.
IS THERE ANYTHING, MATT, THAT YOU WANT TO DIVE INTO ON THE ONE POINT OR WHATEVER? WELL, WELL, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE TRANSPARENT.
THE FIRST PART, THE CONTINUATION OF THE EXISTING, IS THAT ON? YEAH, I'M SORRY.
OF THE, UH, EXISTING EMPLOYEE INCENTIVES AND ARPAS BEEN COVERING THAT AND NOW WE WILL BE COVERING THAT AND THAT'S, WE'RE ABLE TO MAINTAIN THE EMPLOYEES.
WE NOW HAVE, WE HAVE SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 86 EMPLOYEES THAT ARE, UH, WHAT WE CONSIDER CASUAL.
AND THAT IS, UH, 0.2 FTE IN THAT RANGE.
THEY HAVE OTHER JOBS OR THEY'RE IN SCHOOL FULL TIME AND THEY COME AND COVER.
THEN WE HAVE, TWO MONTHS AGO WE WERE AT 55, UH, EMPLOYEES WHO WERE 0.5 FTES OR GREATER ALL THE WAY UP TO 1.0.
NOW WE CONTINUE TO LOSE SOME OF OUR EMPLOYEES, BUT WE'VE HAD A WONDERFUL, UH, INCREASE IN, UH, WITH OUR ADVERTISING TO BRING ON MORE EMPLOYEES.
AND, UM, WE ARE NOW IN THE, UH, THE LAST TIME I CHECKED 66 TO 68 EMPLOYEES INSTEAD OF THE 55.
AND THIS IS WHAT E O'S LOOKING FOR BECAUSE THE FIRST STEP IS TO GO FROM 39 AS A CENSUS, WHICH YOU CANNOT KEEP YOUR BUSINESS IN THE RED OR
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IN THE BLACK.CONSEQUENTLY, WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS BEEF UP THE CENSUS.
THE BIGGEST PROBLEM WE HAVE IS, FOR EXAMPLE, THIS WEEK ALONE, AND THIS IS ONLY WEDNESDAY, WE'VE HAD 19 INQUIRIES.
BUT AS WE PURSUE THAT FOR SKILLED NURSING, UH, WE'RE DOWN TO BY MONDAY AND TUESDAY THAT NUMBER WENT UP.
AND NOW ON WEDNESDAY WE HAVE TWO BECAUSE THEY FEAR THE LONGEVITY OF SAMARITAN AS SOON AS WE CAN TURN THE CORNER AND HAVE, UH, THE EOM ON BOARD.
AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE PUSHING, IT'D BE MUCH EASIER TO OPEN THE NEW BUSINESS AUGUST 1ST, MORE COSTLY, BUT WE'RE PUSHING VERY DILIGENTLY TO TRY TO OPEN JULY ONE.
SO I KNOW THE INCENTIVE PIECE LOOKS BIG AND IT IS BIG, BUT IT'S, IT'S CRITICAL TO THE, TO THE SALE PROCESS.
WE HAVE TO KEEP THAT STAFFING UP, UH, IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THE CENSUS UP YES.
ANY OPPOSED? MR. CHAIRMAN? YES, SIR.
BEFORE WE GO INTO THE CLOSED SESSION, I'M GONNA GO RUN OFF FOR A SECOND.
PARDON? BEFORE WE GO INTO CLOSED SESSION.
I CLEAR THAT SINCE I DIDN'T MAKE IT OKAY.
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SO I DON'T KNOW IF CAN MAKE THAT YOU MEAN FOR, FOR BRETT? TIME IS FOR, YEAH.WE NEED A MOTION TO GO TO CLOSED SESSION.
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I GOT GLASSES.[6. Open Session]
YEAH, WE POSTED ON FACEBOOK.CAN YOU GET THE ELECTRONIC CARDS? BUCKS FOR A DIGITAL CARD.
UM, IN CLOSED SESSION, WE DISCUSSED SOME OF THE PARAMETERS OF THE NEGOTIATIONS THAT ARE GOING ON.
UM, THINGS ARE LOOKING GOOD, SO, UH, WE DON'T NEED ANY ACTION AT THIS TIME.
IT'S KIND OF JUST LIKE CLOSING ON A HOUSE.
SO, UH, OUR NEXT MEETING IS NEXT MONTH, JUNE.
OUR NEXT MEETING IS WEDNESDAY, JUNE 19TH, 2024 AT 4:00 PM
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THIS MEETING'S ADJOURNED.