* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:45] OKAY. WE CALL THIS DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS MEETING TO ORDER. THIS MEETING WAS POSTED, UH, AS REQUIRED BY STATE LAW. UH, EVERYBODY HERE IS, EVERYBODY IS HERE. WE'LL, NEEDS TO BE HERE. IS HERE. UH, YEAH. EVERYBODY WHO NEEDS TO BE HERE IS HERE. YES. VERY GOOD. SO WE'LL STAND AND SAY A SILENT PRAYER AND A PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. OKAY. FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A REVIEW OF THE MINUTES. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY CORRECTIONS OR CHANGES TO MAKE? SEEING NONE. WE'LL ACCEPT THEM AS THEY ARE AND WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE DISCUSSION OR POSSIBLE ACTION ITEMS. TRANSIT QUARTERLY REPORT. HELLO, HOW ARE YOU DOING? I'M DOING GREAT. HOW ARE YOU? GOOD. ALL RIGHT. SO WE HAVE THE QUARTERLY REPORT. UH, IT'S CURRENTLY IN THE DRAFT STATUS. THIS IS, I'M SORRY. CAN YOU IDENTIFY YOURSELF, YOU KNOW, SINCE THIS IS ONLY THE SECOND MEETING, I'M NOT REALLY SURE. OH, OH, THAT'S RIGHT, EVERYBODY. SORRY ABOUT THAT. . UH, MY NAME IS CHARLES KAFTA. I'M THE TRANSIT MANAGER FOR [a. Transit Quarterly Report] WASHINGTON COUNTY TRANSIT. I GREAT. OKAY. THANKS CHARLES. APOLOGIZE, KEN. I MISSED IT MYSELF. NO, THAT'S A . I KEEP FORGETTING. WE GOT A COUPLE NEW GUYS IN HERE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OF COURSE. OKAY, SO, UH, ON THE AGENDA IS THE, UH, QUARTERLY REPORT FOR TRANSIT. UH, THIS WAS CREATED LAST YEAR, SO IT'S STILL CURRENTLY A, A DRAFT. IT REALLY DEPENDED ON, UH, THE FAIR INCREASE. BUT, UH, UH, LET'S SEE, COSTS HAVE INCREASED FOR THE SHARED RIDE TAXI. SO THIS KIND OF IS AROUND THE CHANGES THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO AVOID THE INCREASING COST IN THE SHARED RIDE TAXI SERVICE. UH, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? I CAN ADD A LITTLE BACKGROUND FOR THAT. IF, IF YOU, IF I MAY. UH, WITH, WITH, ESPECIALLY WITH THE NEW COMMITTEE MEMBERS, UH, YOU MAY RECALL THAT THE COMMUTER EXPRESS WAS, WAS TERMINATED. AND LAST YEAR WE WENT THROUGH A, A FEE ADJUSTMENT FOR A SHARED RIGHT TAXI. IT HAD BEEN 12 YEARS, UH, SINCE WE'VE DONE IT LAST. UH, FAIR ADJUSTMENT. UH, THE NEXT FISCAL CLIFF COMING, IF YOU, I KNOW YOU'VE HEARD THAT WORD BEFORE, IS THAT OUR ARPA FUNDS RUN OUT FOR TRANSIT. WE GOT A, A PRETTY GOOD HEFTY AMOUNT OF ARPA FUNDS IN FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FOR OUR TRANSIT PROGRAM, UH, MULTIMILLION DOLLARS FOR OUR LITTLE TRANSIT PROGRAM, BELIEVE IT OR NOT. AND THOSE FUNDS WILL BE RUNNING OUT BY 2027. SO AS WE LOOK FORWARD TO OUR NEXT BUDGET CYCLE GOING WELL, THERE'S A COUPLE WAYS WE'RE LOOKING AT TO FILL THAT GAP, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'LL BE LOOKING AT OVER THE NEXT, UH, YEAR AND A HALF, UH, DURING YOUR TIME HERE, IS TO SAY, HOW DO WE FILL THAT NEXT GAP THAT'S POTENTIALLY COMING DOWN THE ROAD, UH, AS PART OF THE NEXT BUDGET CYCLE. SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT THIS KIND OF CENTER ON ABOUT IS. UH, ONE IS CERTAINLY WE COULD INCREASE FARES AGAIN, UH, NOT VERY POPULAR. WE COULD REDUCE HOURS. AGAIN, NOT VERY POPULAR. UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT SOME OTHER FUNDING OPTIONS, AND CHARLIE IS VERY CREATIVE AND LOOKING AT THOSE, WE'LL BRING SOME OF THOSE FORWARD TO YOU AS WELL TO SEE WHAT'S COMING FORWARD. UH, OBVIOUSLY NEXT FEDERAL BUDGET PACKET MIGHT HAVE SOMETHING ELSE IN IT FOR TRANSIT. YOU JUST NEVER KNOW. UM, BUT WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE LOOKING AT SOME OPTIONS NOW AND, AND PREPARING YOU AHEAD OF TIME, NOT GETTING TO BUDGET AND GOING, OH, BY THE WAY, WE NEED A MILLION DOLLARS, OR WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS, UM, GOING FORWARD. SO WE'RE TRYING TO BE AS, AS OPEN AND TRANSPARENT AND, AND AS OPEN AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN, YOU KNOW, ON THIS PROJECT, UH, THE LAST COMMITTEE WAS AWARE OF THIS. WE MENTIONED IT LAST TIME THAT EVEN THE FAIR INCREASE WAS ONLY GONNA GET US SO FAR. AND, UM, IF YOU REMEMBER, WE, WE PRIMARILY DID THE FAIR INCREASES ON, ON THE ADULT FAIRS AND KEPT THE ELDERLY DISABLED RATE, UH, FAIRLY STEADY, UH, AGAIN, A, A MINOR MINOR, UH, RAISING THOSE FARES. SO THIS IS LOOKING AT, OKAY, NOW WHAT'S THE NEXT POTENTIAL GONNA BE GOING FORWARD? SO IT'S A VERY POPULAR PROGRAM, ESPECIALLY AMONGST THE ELDERLY, UH, AND DISABLED TO GET FROM POINT A TO POINT B. SO, UH, AND IT'S BEEN A PAST EXPERIENCE THAT THE COMMITTEE AND BOARD [00:05:01] HAVE REALLY APPRECIATED THE PROGRAM. I WANT TO KEEP IT GOING AND, AND WE DO TOO. AND WE GOTTA START TALKING ABOUT THAT NOW, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE GOING FORWARD. SO, SO HAVING ONE BIG CONVERSATION WHERE WE HAVE MULTIPLE SMALLER CONVERSATIONS OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT YEAR AND A HALF. WHEN YOU SAY OTHER FUNDING OPTIONS, OBVIOUSLY REFERRING TO POSSIBLE FEDERAL GRANTS OR STATE GRANTS OR STUFF FOR FEDERAL GRANTS, STATE GRANTS, UM, ADVERTISING, THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT, THAT WE HAVEN'T DONE IN THE PAST. SO, UM, THAT, THAT KIND OF STUFF THAT WE GOTTA START TALKING ABOUT. THANK YOU. ONE QUESTION. UM, HOW MUCH DOES EXTERNAL COSTS, FUEL AND SERVICE AND ALL THAT STUFF PLAY INTO THESE, INTO THE NUMBERS? IT'S A BIG COMPONENT OF THE NUMBERS. YOU CAN IMAGINE THAT YOU HAVE, UH, ANYWHERE UP TO 17 VEHICLES ON THE ROAD AT ANY TIME. THEN THEY'RE MOVING CONSTANTLY OR IDLING WITH THE AIR CONDITIONING ON OR THE HEAT ON, UH, TO MAKE SURE. SO FUEL AND THEN PERSONNEL COSTS. UH, BUT YOU THROW IN INSURANCE COSTS AS WELL. UH, IT'S, YOU THROW IT ALL IN THERE, INFLATION HITS US JUST AS HARD AS EVERYBODY ELSE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE, WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE RIDERSHIP, WHICH RIGHT. CAN'T TALK TODAY. RIDERSHIP REPORT IS, UH, ALSO ATTACHED TO YOUR, TO YOUR PACKET HOUR EARLIER THING. IS THAT THE HOUR EARLIER IS AFFECTING YOU OR, YEAH, THAT'S IT. JUST BEEN A BUSY DAY. I THINK MY BRAIN CHECKED OUT BEFORE , [b. Transit Ridership Report] SO I SEE THEY'RE STILL, THEY'RE NOT COMING BACK UP, BUT THEY ARE, THEY'RE INCHING, BUT, UH, STILL NOT WHERE THEY SHOULD BE. BUT THE QUESTION ON THESE NUMBERS, IS THIS ALSO THE LOWER NUMBERS THAT THAT TAKES INTO ACCOUNT WE GETTING RID OF, UM, THE COMMUTER EXPRESS? ARE THOSE NUMBERS? IS THIS, IS THIS JUST SHARED RIDE? THIS IS JUST SHARED RIDE, THOSE COMMUTER THOSE NUMBERS ARE NOT IN HERE AT ALL? CORRECT. OKAY. NOW THAT WAS ALWAYS A SEPARATE REPORT BEFORE. OKAY. SURE. GO AHEAD. WHY, WHY ISN'T THE NUMBERS COMING BACK UP? WHAT'S THE REASON FOR THAT? WHAT'S THE, UH, THE CONTRACTED HOURS IN THE PAST WAS HIGHER. IT WAS AROUND 60, 63,000 SERVICE HOURS, WHICH ARE, UH, BILLED FROM THE INVOICE FROM THE CONTRACTED SERVICE, UH, SPECIALIZED TRANSPORT SERVICES. BUT THIS YEAR IT'S 58,000 HOURS. UH, SO IT IS A LOWER, SO YOU'LL SEE THE BUILD HOURS COLUMN. UH, IT COULD BE INCLUDED IN A PAST REPORT, UH, YOU KNOW, IN A PREVIOUS YEAR, THE BUILD HOURS FOR EACH OF THOSE MONTHS. SO YOU COULD SEE KIND OF THE, UH, TRIP PER HOUR, WHICH IS KIND OF SHOWN IN 2022 AND 2023, UH, AT THE BOTTOM THERE. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO, WELL HAVE TO JUST KEEP TRACK AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS. HOPEFULLY THEY COME BACK. FIRST THING THAT YESTERDAY WAS LOOKING AT THAT, I WAS WONDERING WHAT, WHAT HAPPENED? HOW COME THEY, WELL, I THINK, I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THAT BEFORE TOO. SOME OF THAT MIGHT BE THE, THE ADJUSTMENT IN OUR RATES MAYBE KEPT SOME PEOPLE AWAY. I, I DON'T KNOW. IT'S PROBABLY A MULTITUDE OF THINGS. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NEXT ITEM IS A LEAD LATERAL UPDATE, IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR. ABSOLUTELY. UH, BECAUSE THIS IS, IS NEW TO THIS COMMITTEE, THIS WAS ACTUALLY TAKEN TO EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE PRIOR TO, THIS IS NOW GOING, UH, BACK TO PUBLIC WORKS COMMITTEE, UH, LED. THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE LOOKED AT, IF YOU RECALL, [c. Lead Lateral Update] UM, THOSE THAT WERE ON THE BOARD. UH, WE DID A PRESENTATION WITH THE CHIEF, UH, HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES OFFICER, JULIE DRISCOLL AND I, BACK IN SEPTEMBER, 2023, UH, TALKING ABOUT LEAD LATERALS AND THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE UTILIZING $3 MILLION OF ARPA FUNDS, UH, DECIDED TO, UH, LOOK AT LEAD LATERALS, UH, PRIMARILY IN THE CITY OF WEST BEND. AND, AND THE PROGRAM'S EXPANDED BEYOND THAT. UH, YOU'LL SEE IN YOUR PACKET, THE LEAD LATER GRANT PROGRAM. IT'S A THREE PAGE DOCUMENT. SO IF YOU HAD A CHANCE TO READ THAT, I WON'T GO THROUGH IT IN, IN GREAT NAUSEAM, BUT, UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING IS, UH, THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE FOUND OUT THAT WHEN THE CITY DID SOME WORK ON SEVENTH AND EIGHTH AVENUE HERE IN THE CITY WEST BEND, THAT A LOT OF THE HOMEOWNERS, UH, DID NOT REPLACE THEIR PRIVATE SIDE LEAD LATERALS. THINK OF THERE'S PUBLIC IN THE STREET RIGHT FROM THE PAVEMENT TO THE BACK BEHIND THE CURB. THEN THERE'S PRIVATE THAT'S BEHIND THE CURB GOING TO THE HOUSE, UH, A WATER SERVICE, UH, LINE GOING THROUGH THERE. UM, AND, UH, YEARS AGO THEY, THEY USED LEAD, UH, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, TO, TO, TO USE THAT, THE WATER SERVICE TO GET TO THE HOMES AND REALIZED THAT A LOT OF THOSE HOMEOWNERS DIDN'T TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT TO CONSTRUCTION PROJECT AND REPLACE THEIR, THEIR PRIVATE SIDE LEAD LATERAL. SO, UM, LOOKING AT THAT AS WELL AS, UH, THE FUNDING OF ROADWAYS IN THE CITY OF WEST BEND, UH, CAME UP WITH THIS, UH, GRANT PROGRAM TO HELP PAY FOR NOT JUST THE PRIVATE [00:10:01] SIDE LEAD LATERALS, BUT WITH USING ARPA FUNDS, WE HAVE TO REPLACE THE ENTIRE LEAD LATERAL, UM, FOR THOSE THAT HAVE LEAD LATERAL IN THE STREET AND ON THE PRIVATE SIDE. AND SO WE LOOKED AT DOING, WAS $15,000 FOR THE PUBLIC SIDE. SO THE, FROM THE WATER MAIN TO BASICALLY BEHIND THE SIDEWALK WOULD BE A, A BILL, A PAYMENT TO THE CITY, JUST IN CASE WEST BEND KIOSK AND SLINGER WILL GET 15,000 FOR THAT. AND THEN IF IT'S ABOVE THE ACTUAL COST, AND THEY CAN PUT THAT MONEY TOWARDS THE ROAD TO HELP FIX THE ROADWAYS. AND THEN THE PRIVATE SIDE WOULD BE $5,000. AND THE $5,000 WAS AN ESTIMATE, UH, USING, UH, WE MET WITH THE CITY OF HARTFORD TO SEE WHAT THEY DID WHEN THEY DID SOME PRIVATE SIDE. AND YOU'LL SEE LATER ON IN THE REPORT THAT THAT NUMBER IS ACTUALLY A FAIRLY GOOD NUMBER. BUT THE 5,000 IS ACTUAL COST. YOU CAN IMAGINE THAT SOMEBODY'S HOUSE MIGHT HAVE A FINISHED BASEMENT, SOMEBODY'S MIGHT NOT. YOU MIGHT HAVE A TREE TO REPLACE IN SOMEONE'S YARD. MAYBE THEY HAVE SIDEWALK, MAYBE THEY HAVE PLANTING. SO EVERYONE'S A LITTLE BIT, EVERY HOUSE IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. SO IT'S VERY HARD TO SAY ERGONOMICALLY WHEN YOU'RE DOING HUNDREDS OF THESE IN, IN THE, IN THE COUNTY, WHAT EACH ONE'S PARTICULARLY GONNA COST. PLUS THEN THERE'S ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS ON THEIR CONSTRUCTION, ENGINEERING, UH, INSPECTION, PHONE CALLS, COORDINATION, STUFF LIKE THAT AS WELL. UH, THAT HAS TO BE COMPLETED. SO, UH, WHAT WE DID WAS WE FIRST, UH, OFFERED THIS TO THE CITY OF, OF, OF WEST BEND, UH, HOPING THAT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO, UM, CONSTITUTE ENOUGH TO USE ALL $3 MILLION. UH, THEY SHIFTED SOME PROJECTS AROUND, UH, THEY'LL USED, UM, ABOUT $2.235 MILLION. UH, WE ADDED SOME IN THERE FOR THOSE CONTINGENCIES I JUST TALKED ABOUT. UM, SO, UH, THAT LEFT ABOUT 500,000 REMAINING IN THE GRANT PROGRAM. AND SO WE DECIDED THAT, UH, VILLAGE KI WASUM COUNTED US SHORTLY AFTER, UH, THE ANNOUNCEMENT OF THE PROGRAM BECAUSE THEY HAD SOME LEAD THATS ON US HIGHWAY 45, WHICH IS CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND IN THE VILLAGE. AND SO THEY ALSO HAD NOT ONLY THOSE SIX LATERALS, BUT THEY HAD OTHER LATERALS IN THE VILLAGE TOO, BUT AGAIN, ONLY A HANDFUL. AND SO IT MADE COMPLETE SENSE, OKAY, LET'S OFFER IT TO THEM AND THEY CAN MAYBE COMPLETE AND GET RID OF ALL LEAD IN THE VILLAGE OF KIOSK, WHICH IS A, A FANTASTIC GOAL, UH, TO HAVE. AND THEY WERE WILLING PARTNERS, AND THEY SIGNED ON THE SAME TIME, BASICALLY THAT THE CITY WEST BEND WAS SIGNING ON TO THE, THE LEAD LATERAL PROGRAM. AND SO PLEASED TO ANNOUNCE THAT. AND NOW THAT'S KIND OF THE, THE BACKGROUND, IF YOU WILL. SO NOW IT'S KIND OF THE UPDATE ON, ON WHAT WE'RE DOING. UH, THE, UH, VILLAGE OF KIOSKI HAS REPLACED THOSE SIX LEAD LATERALS, LIKE I MENTIONED, AND, AND WORKING ON FINDING THE REMAINDER IN THE, IN THE VILLAGE. UH, EVERY MUNICIPALITY IS SUPPOSED TO, BY OCTOBER THIS YEAR, HAVE THAT COMPLETED THEIR INVENTORY OF WHERE LEAD LATERALS ARE, NOT JUST IN WASHINGTON COUNTY, BUT NATIONALLY. UH, MOST OF 'EM ARE WORKING THEIR WAY TOWARDS THAT. IT'S A, A GREAT DEADLINE. UH, AND THANKFULLY WEST BEND WAS AHEAD OF THE GAME YEARS AGO AHEAD OF THE GAME, IDENTIFYING WHEN THEY'RE DOING A, A METER SWAP OUT. SO, UH, THEY WERE WAY AHEAD OF THE GAME OF, OF, UH, RECOGNIZING THOSE. AND THE VILLAGE IS STILL GOING THROUGH. SO THERE'S STILL A POSSIBILITY OF FINDING ANOTHER ONE OR TWO OR A HANDFUL HERE OR THERE. UH, SO THERE'S, UH, POTENTIAL FOR OTHER PROJECTS, UH, COMING IN THE VILLAGE OF KIOSKI, UH, GOING FORWARD. UH, THE CITY, WEST BEND, THEY DID ACTUALLY BID OUT THEIR SEVENTH AND EIGHTH AVENUE WORK AGAIN, THAT CAME IN AT $4,000 FOR CONSTRUCTION SITE. AGAIN, THERE'S ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS ON TOP OF THAT YET, BUT AGAIN, WOULD BE PRETTY CLOSE TO THAT $5,000 ESTIMATE, I BELIEVE ONCE WE'RE DONE. AS WELL AS THEY DID, UH, BID OUT THEIR WORK ON SUMMIT VIEW, UH, SUMMIT DRIVE, EXCUSE ME. UM, AND SO THOSE TYPE PROJECTS AS WELL UNDERWAY, IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN OVER THAT PART OF THE CITY, UM, IT'S CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW. UH, SO THAT, THAT'S POSITIVE AS WELL. SO, UH, THEY'RE BOTH MOVING FORWARD. UH, WE'RE, WE'RE GLAD TO SEE THAT. AND, UH, MAKING DEFINITELY AN IMPACT ON THE LEAD LATERALS IN WASHINGTON COUNTY. UH, BUT WE STILL HAD SOME MONEY LEFT. UH, THEN WE STARTED TALKING TO THE VILLAGE OF SLINGER AND SEE IF THEY HAD SOME, AND THEY HAD A HANDFUL OF LEAD LATERALS, UH, TO GO AS WELL. THEY BELIEVE THEY HAVE AROUND 10, AGAIN, THEY'RE STILL WORKING ON THEIR INVENTORY. UH, SO THAT'LL BE ABOUT $50,000, AND THAT WOULD ACTUALLY COMPLETE THE V SLINGER HOPEFULLY AS WELL. AND SO YOU'D HAVE SLINGER DONE, UH, QOS M DONE, UH, POTENTIALLY BY THE END OF THE YEAR. UH, WEST BEND'S GOT A, IT'S A THREE YEAR PROGRAM. UM, SO WEST BEND HAS A LITTLE MORE TIME, THEY HAVE MORE, MORE LEAD LATERALS TO WORK ON AFTER THAT. UH, AND IF THERE'S FUNDING LEFT, WE CERTAINLY WOULD WELCOME THE CITY TO RE-LOOK AT THEIR SCHEDULE NOW THAT THEY'VE BEEN WORKING INTO THE PROGRAM A LITTLE BIT TO SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE THEY COULD DO. BUT POTENTIALLY GOING TO THE CITY OF HARTFORD WHO HAS LED, THATS NOT ON THE PRIVATE SIDE, BUT ON THE PUBLIC SIDE LEFT, THEY GOT A DNR GRANT YEARS AGO THAT WHERE THEY ALLOWED TO DO THE PRIVATE SIDE, NOT THE PUBLIC SIDE. AND NOW THE, THAT, AT THAT TIME, THAT WAS A THOUGHT LITERALLY A FEW YEARS AGO. NOW THAT THOUGHT IS, NOPE, 'CAUSE YOU WANT, THEN YOU'RE DISTURBING THE LEAD. YOU'RE LEAVING THE LEAD IN THE, IN THE STREET AND LEAVING THAT, YOU'RE DISTURBING THAT AT THAT CONNECTION POINT. SO NOW THE SCHOOL OF THOUGHT IS YOU JUST REPLACE IT ALL AT ONE TIME, UM, IS WHAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FOR THE ARPA FUNDS IS TELLING US WE HAVE TO DO. SO, SO DNR IS FOLLOWING SUIT ON THAT AS WELL. SO, UM, SO THAT, THAT'S THE, THE END OF MY REPORT. UM, I CERTAINLY, IF THE CHAIR WISHES TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. UM, CLAR JUST A CLARIFICATION ON THE PRIVATE SIDE OF THAT. YOU SAID 5,000. IS THERE ANY OBLIGATION TO THE HOMEOWNER? OH, THAT, THAT IS A FANTA, I, I APPRECIATE YOU [00:15:01] BRINGING THAT UP BECAUSE, UH, THE, IF YOU SAW ON THE WEST BEND NEWS, UH, THE CITY WEST BEND DID JUST PASS THE, AN ORDINANCE AND REVISION ORDINANCE THAT NOW THE PRIVATE SIDE HAS TO REPLACE THEIRS. I DON'T WANNA GO THROUGH THE WHOLE DETAIL. IF YOU WANNA READ THE ARTICLE, YOU CERTAINLY CAN AND READ A THING, BUT, UH, THEY DID PASS THAT ORDINANCE SO THAT NOW IN THE CITY OF WEST BEND THAT WHEN THEY'RE DOING A CONSTRUCTION PROJECT, THE PRIVATE SIDE, I BELIEVE HAS TO DO THEIRS AS WELL BECAUSE OF THOSE, PART OF THOSE RULES IS, IS GET RID OF IT ALL THE OWNER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE COST. THE HOMEOWNER WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE, BUT THIS GRANT IS PAYING FOR THE ONES THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON CURRENTLY. OKAY. UM, AND IF, UH, ALL GOES WELL, THERE'S POTENTIAL THAT THIS COMES BACK TO THE, THE COUNTY BOARD FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDS GOING FORWARD TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY, ANY, YOU KNOW, APPETITE FOR THAT GOING FORWARD AND SEEING, YOU KNOW, HOW DOES THIS WORK GOING FORWARD? I BELIEVE WE WERE HOPING FOR FUTURE GRANTS POSSIBLY TOO, FOR THAT AS WELL. ABSOLUTELY. NOW, WHEN THE, YOU KNOW, FEDERAL GOVERNMENT MANDATES THINGS AND SOMETIMES THEY PROVIDE FUNDING FOR THAT AND SOMETIMES THEY DON'T. RIGHT. UH, UNFORTUNATELY, SOME OF THE, THE FUNDING THAT THAT'S OUT THERE AND AVAILABLE RIGHT NOW, UM, WASHINGTON COUNTY DOESN'T QUALIFY REALLY WELL BASED ON OUR ECONOMIC AND SOCIAL, ECONOMIC, UH, ISSUES THAT WE HAVE IN, IN OUR COUNTY. SO, UH, IF YOU'RE IN THE CITY OF MILWAUKEE OR YOU KNOW, MADISON, YOU DO PRETTY WELL IN THOSE GRANTS. RIGHT. WASHINGTON COUNTY. UM, NOT SO MUCH ALSO AS LIKE OUR, OH, THERE'S ALSO, UM, AN EMPLOYMENT RATE AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF THAT GOES INTO THE FORMULA. SO WE JUST SURE. UNDERSTOOD. THEY, I KNOW, UH, WE'VE HAD, WE BOTH HAD CONTACT, MICHAEL AND I BOTH HAD CONTACT WITH THE DNR ON THAT, AND, UM, THE ANSWERS ARE VERY QUICK. YEAH, UNDERSTOOD. NO, THANK YOU. OH, ANY QUESTION, KEN? HEY, SCOTT. SO, YOU KNOW, I REPRESENT THE CITY OF HARTFORD. WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT HOW MANY, ANY IDEA ON HOW MANY LEAD, UH, PRIVATE LEAD LATERALS THERE ARE IN HARTFORD? I MEAN, WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT YES, I, I DON'T HAVE THE BALLPARK SPREADSHEET IN FRONT OF ME. WHAT DO YOU THINK? UH, CAN I GET YOU THAT AFTER THE MEETING? UM, YEAH. OR JUST GIMME, GIMME A COUPLE SECONDS AND I CAN LOOK IT UP EXACTLY FOR YOU. I DON'T WANNA, I DON'T WANNA THROW THE HARTFORD CITY OF HARTFORD UNDER THE BUS OR OVER THE BUS. UM, ARE WE THE SECOND LARGEST MUNICIPALITY IN THE, IN THE COUNTY? YES. YES. THANK YOU. I REMEMBER THAT NUMBER MYSELF. IT CAME UP, BUT I CAN'T RECALL THE EXACT, I DON'T THINK IT WAS THAT MANY. AND THAT WOULD JUST BE IDENTIFIED TO THIS POINT, CORRECT. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH, IT IS NOT POPPING UP REAL QUICKLY FOR ME, BUT I WILL, I WILL GET THAT INFORMATION TO YOU BEFORE THE MEETING'S OVER. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SCOTT. OKAY, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS, UH, ROADWAY SHARED SERVICES UPDATE. UH, YES. UH, THIS IS ANOTHER ONE. IF IT'S OKAY, MR. CHAIR, I CAN GIVE A LITTLE, LITTLE HISTORY ON THIS ONE AS WELL. UM, WITH THE, UH, REFERENDUM THAT WENT THROUGH A LOT OF THE MUNICIPALITIES, UH, NOT ALL OF THE MUNICIPALITIES, BUT SEVERAL OF THEM, UH, HEARING THAT, UH, THE [d. Roadway Shared Services Update] LOCAL MUNICIPALITIES WANTED, UH, FUNDING FOR ROADWAYS, UH, THIS IS ONE WAY THAT, UH, WE ARE ABLE TO PROVIDE SOME FUNDING FOR SOME ROADWAYS, UH, ESPECIALLY THE MAINTENANCE ON THE ROADWAYS, WHICH IS OFTEN OVERLOOKED, UH, ESPECIALLY BY SOME, UH, LOCAL, UM, LOCAL MUNICIPALITIES DO THIS. SO, UH, WHAT THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE DID WAS PUT AWAY, UH, PUT ASIDE FOUR 50,000 IN 2024 AND FOUR 61,000 IN 2025 TO BE UTILIZED FOR, FOR MAINTENANCE ON LOCAL ROADWAYS. UH, THE CHIEF LOCAL ELECTED OFFICIALS. SO THINK OF ALL THE MAYORS, UH, TOWN CHAIRMAN, VILLAGE PRESIDENTS, UH, MEET, UM, ON A REGULAR, NEAR REGULAR BASIS. AND THEY HAD A MEETING TO DECIDE ON HOW TO ACTUALLY SPLIT THAT MONEY UP. UH, THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE, THE COUNTY BOARD CHAIR, WERE NOT AT THAT MEETING. AND THAT GROUP DECIDED ON HOW THAT THOSE FUNDS SHOULD BE SPLIT UP AMONGST MUNICIPALITIES. UH, THE FIRST THING THEY DID WAS TOOK MISS PEL THAT WERE GETTING SHARED REVENUE IN OTHER WAYS, UH, LIKE DISPATCH, UH, FOR GERMANTOWN HARTFORD OR LEAD AUTOS WITH WEST BEND, AND SAID, OKAY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GETTING SHARED SERVICES AND ANOTHER POT OF MONEY OVER HERE. AND SO THEY SAID, THE REST OF 'EM ARE GONNA GET THIS POT OF MONEY FIRST. AND SO THEY DECIDED TO, TO DISTRIBUTE THAT BASED ON 70% ON ROAD MILEAGE AND 30% OF GETTING EQUAL SHARE OF THE MONEY. AND SO YOU TAKE EQUAL SHARE FIRST BECAUSE OF SOMETHING LIKE THE VILLAGE OF NEWBERG OR TOWN OF GERMANTOWN, WHICH HAD VERY LITTLE ROAD MILEAGE. UH, IF YOU JUST BASED ON ROAD MILEAGE, YOU ONLY GET A COUPLE THOUSAND DOLLARS. SO THEY FIGURED THAT GETTING 'EM UP TO NEAR THAT $10,000 THRESHOLD WAS IN THAT 30%. THEY RAN THROUGH A BUNCH OF ITERATIONS AT THAT MEETING, A VERY GOOD DISCUSSION. AND SO THAT'S HOW THEY CAME ABOUT. THE, THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS THAT YOU SEE ON THE FIRST PAGE OF YOUR RE YOUR REPORT RANGING FROM, UH, JUST OVER $10,000 UP TO THE VILLAGE OF RICHFIELD, 65, JUST OVER $65,000. AND SO WHAT THAT AMOUNTS TO IS THAT [00:20:01] FOR THOSE, THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT, THE WASHINGTON COUNTY HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT WILL DO WORK FOR THOSE MUNICIPALITIES. AND THE WORK WILL BE ANYTHING FROM CRACK FILLING TO CHIP CEILING, TO PAINTING LINES, LINE STRIPING, UH, TREE CUTTING, MOWING, DITCHING, WHATEVER SERVICES THAT WE GENERALLY PROVIDED THEM IN THE PAST. THEY HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY, UH, TO DO GOING FORWARD. WE WILL THEN NOT CHARGE THEM FOR OUR LABOR AND NOT CHARGE THEM FOR OUR EQUIPMENT. THAT COMES OUT OF THE FOUR $50,000. THAT'S WHAT IS 33,000. AND THEN THEY PAY FOR THE MATERIALS. SO IF THEY HAVE A, A ROAD THAT NEEDS A LOT OF CRACK FILLING, THEY'RE PAYING FOR THE CORRECT MATERIAL, AND THEN WE'RE PAYING FOR THE LABOR TO ACTUALLY PUT THAT DOWN. AND THAT'S HOW THE SYSTEM IS, IS DESIGNED TO WORK. AND SO WHAT IT DOES IS PROVIDE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY. WE MET, UH, AS A GROUP AND PROVIDED SPREADSHEETS AND WORKING BACK AND FORTH MUNICIPALITIES TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW BEST TO UTILIZE THOSE FUNDS FOR THOSE MUNICIPALITIES. UH, GAVE 'EM A NICE SIMPLE SPREADSHEET. UH, THEY WERE ABLE TO PROVIDE WHAT THEY WANT TO 'EM. WE GAVE 'EM COST ESTIMATES, BALLPARK NUMBERS, AND THEY WERE ABLE TO KINDA SELECT, OKAY, YES, I WANT CRACK FILLING, I WANT PAINTING, AND I WANT SOME DITCHING. AND THEY'LL BE ABLE TO, TO FILL OUT THAT SPREADSHEET AND WORK WITH OUR PATROL SUPERS TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. UH, INCLUDING YOUR PACKET IS HOW WE'RE DOING ON THAT PROJECT TO DATE. UH, YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE'S A NICE, UH, SPREADSHEET 'CAUSE WE LOVE THOSE SPREADSHEETS. UM, AND SERVICE WE PROVIDE AT THE, AGAIN, AT THE BOTTOM WE SPRAYED VEGETATION FOR NOXIOUS WEEDS AND SOME DORMANT SPRING, UH, CRACKVILLE MASTER CHIP CEILING GRADING OF SHOULDERS, DITCHING, UH, DID SOME TRAFFIC COUNTING, UH, FOR MUNICIPALITY. UH, AND WE DID SOME MAINTENANCE ON VEHICLES THIS WINTER, AS WELL AS RENTING VEHICLES, UH, WHEN WE HAD TWO TOWNS HAD ISSUES WITH A HEAVIER STORM IN JANUARY FOR, FOR, FOR PLOWING SNOW. AND SO YOU SEE OUT THERE THAT, UH, TODAY THROUGH THE NEAR THE END OF MAY, WE'RE AT ABOUT 120,000 OF THE 452,000. SO WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING OUR WAY, UH, TO THAT. AND OBVIOUSLY WE SPENT, UH, MORE MONEY IN JUNE. UH, THIS REPORT WAS DUE, UH, BY THE TIME WE HAD A NUMBER DONE BY THE END OF MAY. SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THEM IN JUNE AS WELL. WE HAVE MADE CONTACT, YOU'LL SEE IN THAT TOTALS COLUMN, THERE'S A FEW ZEROS AND SOME THAT ARE, ARE NEAR, UM, NEAR ZERO. UH, WE MADE CONTACT WITH THEM TO SEE, ALRIGHT, WHEN WE GET GOING, I'LL, I'LL PICK IN A VILLAGE OF RICHFIELD. TYPICALLY WE DO CRACK FILLING FOR THEM IN THE FALL OF THE YEAR. AND SO THAT'S ONE THING THAT WE KNOW WE STILL GOT SOME STUFF COMING. SO EVEN THOUGH IT MIGHT BE A BIG ZERO RIGHT NOW, WE KNOW WE'VE GOT WORK PLANNED IN SOME OF THOSE AREAS, BUT WE DID MAKE CONTACT WITH THOSE, UH, MISS VALLEYS, JUST TO MAKE SURE YOU KNOW HOW WE'RE DOING AND, AND HOW WE CAN GET, UH, GET MORE WORK DONE FOR YOU IN A, IN A, IN A QUICKER FASHION. HOW IS THIS FILLING IN WITH ALL YOUR COUNTY WORK? WE'RE BUSY , UM, WHICH IS, WHICH IS A REALLY GOOD THING. YEAH. UH, IT, IT'S REALLY HELPS. UH, IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT HELPS FILL THAT BUDGET GAP A LITTLE BIT. THAT WITH THE, THE STATE WORK THAT WE DO ON THE STATE ROADWAYS HAS BEEN PRETTY MUCH STAGNANT FOR EIGHT YEARS. OUR COUNTY LEVEE AMOUNT HAS BEEN PRETTY LEVEL FOR EIGHT YEARS. AND SO THIS FILLS THAT GAP OF, UH, THOSE OTHER COSTS WE TALKED TO YOU ABOUT EARLIER ABOUT FUEL AND LABOR COSTS AND EQUIPMENT COSTS THAT HAVE GONE UP. SO, UM, IT, IT, IT'S GREAT WORK. IT, IT'S NICE TO GET THE, THE LABORERS AND THE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT OFF OF THE BUSIER ROADWAYS LIKE 41 AND 45 AND, AND EVEN THE OTHER STATE ROADS AND COUNTY HIGHWAYS AND GETTING 'EM ON A LOCAL ROAD FOR A LITTLE BIT. IT'S A NICE LITTLE, LITTLE BREAK THAT THEY CAN GO WORK IN A AND NOT TO KNOCK THIS, BUT IF YOU'RE GOING TO WORK IN A, IN A CUL-DE-SAC IN A TOWN OF BARTON, UH, THERE'S A LOT LESS TRAFFIC THAN ON 41. AND SO IT'S, IT'S A NICE LITTLE MENTAL BREAK FOR, FOR THIS, FOR THE CREW AS WELL. AND IT'S A LITTLE BIT CHANGE OF PACE FOR THEM. SURE. SOUNDS GOOD. I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. SO THE ROADWAY SHARED SERVICES PROGRAM, SCOTT, THIS ISN'T FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, LIKE CITY OF WEST BEND OR CITY OF HARTFORD. THIS IS TOWN OF HARTFORD. IT, IT CERTAINLY, IT CERTAINLY COULD BE. THAT GROUP AGAIN, ALL ELECTED OFFICIALS MET THE ONES THAT WERE PRESENT ANYWAY. OKAY. SO THAT WAS, AND THEY DECIDED, AND THEY'VE DECIDED THAT COME IN SEPTEMBER OF THIS YEAR, THEY'RE GONNA RE-LOOK AT THIS AGAIN. AH, AND IT COULD BE MUCH DIFFERENT, UH, GOING FORWARD. CORRECT. THEY COULD DECIDE THAT WE'RE GONNA INCLUDE THOSE TO OPT IN OR TO OPT, OPT IN, OPT OUT. THEY COULD DECIDE THAT WE DON'T LIKE THE 70 30 SPLIT. WE COULD DO SOMETHING ELSE. IT'LL BE TRULY THAT GROUP. AGAIN, WE'LL DECIDE AGAIN, I'M THERE TO PROVIDE NUMBERS TO THEM, NOT DIRECTION. GOTCHA. UM, SAME THING WITH THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE AND COUNTY BOARD CHAIR. LIKE I SAID, THEY WEREN'T AT THAT MEETING. UH, THEY ELECTED THEIR OWN CHAIRPERSON THAT RAN THAT MEETING. OKAY. AND THAT THEY WENT THROUGH A BUNCH OF ITERATIONS. UH, ACTUALLY SUPERVISOR, UH, DOUG NEWMAN WAS THE CHAIR OF THAT. OKAY. AND RAN THAT COMMITTEE. OKAY. AWESOME. THANK YOU. CHAIR SUPERVISOR HARTWICK. SCOTT, I JUST WANNA ASK, SO IN SEPTEMBER WE'LL START, THEY'LL BE STARTING UP MEETINGS AGAIN TO LOOK FOR A FUTURE. YES. DO YOU HAVE ANY DATES SET EARLIER ON THAT? NO. WE FIGURED WE'D GET A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO GET EVERYBODY'S CALENDARS A LITTLE TIGHTER FIRST. SO I THINK IF WE, WHEN WE MENTIONED, WE THOUGHT WE'D MET TALK IN AUGUST TO GET A MEETING IN SEPTEMBER. YEAH. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE, WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT, THE APPEAL AND OF DENIED ACCESS PERMIT ON COUNTY HIGHWAY N, N AND Z IN THE TOWN OF WEST BEND. ANY A MOTION? AND SECOND, RIGHT. UH, I WOULD, I WOULD, UH, LISTEN TO WHAT YOU HAVE AND THEN MAKE A MOTION, MAKE A MOTION TO [00:25:01] EITHER APPEAL TO EITHER DENY IT OR APPROVE IT. OKAY. HEAR THE SOUNDS GOOD. SCOTT, DID YOU WANNA MAKE A LITTLE PRESENTATION [e. Appeal of Denied Access Permit on CTH NN&Z in the Town of West Bend] ON THIS? ABSOLUTELY. YOU'LL SEE IN YOUR, IN YOUR PACKET, UH, ONE OF YOUR DUTIES AS, UH, PUBLIC WORKS IS THAT THE, UH, PREVIOUS PUBLIC WORKS, UH, COMMITTEES IN, IN IN THE PAST HAVE, UH, ADOPTED A COUNTY'S ACCESS AND CONTROL POLICY. UH, THAT IS ON OUR, ON OUR COUNTY WEBSITE. AND THAT DE DEFINES HOW WE ACTUALLY ALLOW ACCESSES ON OUR COUNTY HIGHWAYS. IT'S YOUR POLICY. UH, PART OF THAT POLICY IS, IS THAT WE FIND THAT SOMEONE, LIKE IN THIS INSTANCE, UM, HAS A, A SITUATION WHERE THEY DON'T AGREE WITH, DON'T HAVE, THEY DON'T MATCH THE POLICY. SO WE HAVE TO DENY THEM THE ACCESS PERMIT BECAUSE THEY DON'T COMPLY WITH THE POLICY. THEIR RECOURSE, BECAUSE THEY COULD JUST, INSTEAD OF YELLING AT ME AND COMING TO MY OFFICE, IS TO COME TO THIS COMMITTEE AND TO SAY, WELL, WE'D LIKE A, A CHANGE OR YOU ALLOW, ALLOW TO ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN. UM, KINDA LIKE A VARIANCE, IF YOU WILL, TO THE POLICY AND SAYING, OKAY, WE'D LIKE TO, IT'S OKAY TO DO THIS ON THIS ONE TIME, ONE INSTANCE BASIS, UH, THAT WHEN I DO THE, UM, THIS, WHEN I DO WANNA APPEAL IT, UH, THERE'S A HUNDRED DOLLARS FEE TO THAT. SO THAT JUST, NOT EVERYBODY WILL JUST MAGICALLY APPEAL EVERY DECISION WE MAKE TO YOU. UM, BUT, UH, THOSE THAT FEEL STRONGLY ENOUGH, UH, UH, CERTAINLY CAN, CAN PAY THE $100. AND, UM, WRITE A LITTLE NOTE AS TO WHY THEY THINK IT, UM, IS REASONABLE TO ACTUALLY, UM, ALLOW THIS, IN THIS CASE A SECOND ACCESS. THERE'S, THERE'S MANY THINGS THAT WE DENY ACCESS FOR. SOME ARE SITE DISTANCE AND ENGINEERING RELATED. UH, SOME LIKE THIS ARE BECAUSE OF POLICY ONLY ALLOWS ONE ACCESS PER PARCEL. SO THAT'S WHY THIS IS HERE BEFORE THE, THE COMMITTEE TODAY, IS THAT, UH, YOU ARE THE ONES THAT GET TO DECIDE IF, IF THEY WANT TO HAVE THIS ACCESS OR NOT. UM, AND WE ARE TO REINFORCE YOUR POLICY FOR YOU. AND SO WITH THIS ONE, THIS IS ON 37 19 COUNTY HIGHWAY NNN. IT'S ON THE EAST SIDE OF LITTLE CEDAR LAKE. IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE, THERE'S TECHNICALLY TWO NNN ZS INTERSECTION. THIS IS THE EASTERN ONE. MOST OF THAT, UH, THERE'S A TAVERN RIGHT THERE CALLED KNUCKLEHEADS. SO THIS IS JUST IN THAT LOCATION, UH, AROUND THE, AGAIN, THE EAST SIDE OF, OF LITTLE CEDAR LAKE. UH, WHAT YOU HAVE HERE IN THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL IS, UH, WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT DOING IS WE ONLY ALLOW ONE ACCESS PER PARCEL. UH, SO THERE'S SOME GRANDFATHER THAT IN CERTAINLY THAT HAVE U-SHAPED DRIVEWAYS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. UH, CERTAINLY BUSINESSES AND STUFF LIKE A, A DIFFERENT POLICY FOR LARGER DEVELOPMENTS. UH, BUT FOR SMALL RESIDENTIAL LOTS, EVEN UP TO AGRICULTURAL LOTS, IT'S 1 1 1 DRIVEWAY PER PARCEL. AND THE REASON WE DO THAT IS YOU CAN IMAGINE IF YOU HAVE A A 10 ACRE PARCEL, YOU HAVE 14 DRIVEWAYS, THAT'S JUST 14 PEOPLE TURNING OFF ONTO THE ROADWAY. IT SOME POINT YOU GOTTA HAVE A TURN LANES AND BYPASS LANES AND STUFF LIKE THAT. 'CAUSE WE WANNA MAKE SURE TRAFFIC ON THE HIGHWAY IS, UH, FREE FLOWING AS, AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, UH, AT THIS LOCATION IS, UH, A LOWER SPEED LIMIT AT, AT 25 MILES AN HOUR VERSUS OUR NORMAL, UH, 55 ON, ON A COUNTY HIGHWAY. I DO, AGAIN, TO THE CURVES THAT ARE LOCATED THERE AS WELL AS THE, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT, THE, THE HOUSES AND DWELLINGS AND, AND GARAGES ARE RELATIVELY CLOSE TO THE ROADWAY SPEAKING AS FAR AS THE COUNTY HIGHWAY IS CONCERNED. AND SO WE'RE LOOKING AT TODAY IS THAT, UH, THE LANDOWNER IS LOOKING AT REQUESTING A SECOND ACCESS ONTO THIS PARCEL. THE CURRENT PARCEL, UH, THERE IS A, A NICE DRAWING, UH, THAT WAS PUT IN THERE BY TED DUMPY, UH, IS, UH, A PICTURE ON THE EXHIBIT A. UH, THE DRIVEWAY SERVES THREE PARCELS. IT'S, IT'S DOWN BELOW. IT'S UM, THE LAKE LEVEL AND WHERE THE DRIVEWAY SERVICES A LOWER PORTION OF THE LOT. THE ROAD IS UP HIGHER. UH, THE DRIVEWAY ACTUALLY SERVICES DOWN TO A LOWER AREA AND SERVICES THREE LOTS. THE INDIVIDUAL IS INTERESTED IN PLACING A GARAGE AT THAT LOCATION SO THAT THEY'D HAVE ACCESS DOWN BELOW AND ACCESS UP ABOVE TO THE, TO THE STREET AND THEN BE ABLE TO DRIVE OUT ONTO THE STREET UP ABOVE. AND SO THAT WOULD, AND AND EVEN THOUGH THEY DON'T ONLY HAVE ONE PHYSICAL ACCESS ON THEIR DRIVE ON THEIR PROPERTY, THEY TECHNICALLY HAVE TWO ACCESS. 'CAUSE THEY GOT THE EASEMENT THAT GOES THROUGH THE OTHER PARCEL AS WELL. AND THAT'S WHY THIS IS HERE, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GETTING RID OF THAT LOWER ACCESS. IF THEY WERE GETTING RID OF THAT LOWER ONE, THEY ONLY HAVE ONE UP ABOVE, WE WOULD'VE GRANTED THAT, BUT THEY'RE STILL KEEPING THE ONE DOWN BELOW BECAUSE IT SERVICES THE THIRD PARCEL AS WELL TO TO THE NORTH. AND SO, UM, YOU'LL SEE THAT THE LANDOWNER SENT A LETTER AS WELL STATING THAT THE RECOURSES AND WHY THEY BELIEVE THEY NEED A SECONDARY ACCESS ONTO THAT PARCEL. I DID DRIVE IT MYSELF TODAY. UM, I I CAN SAY WITH CERTAINTY THAT, UH, SEVERAL OF THE POINTS THAT HE BRINGS UP IN HIS LETTER ARE TRUE. I DID BACK MY MINIVAN UP THERE. UH, THE TREE WAS, UH, DEFINITELY BLOCKING THE VIEW. I TRIED TO GET OUT, MY TIRES WERE SPINNING AND A CAR WAS COMING FROM THE NORTH. UM, SO I I NOT SAYING YOU SHOULD APPROVE IT BASED ON THAT, BUT I CAN CAN SAY THAT THERE WAS A, A CHALLENGE, UH, WITH THE STATEMENTS OF THE DRIVEWAY GETTING OUT AND THAT I COULD DEFINITELY SEE THAT, UH, WHY THEY WOULD WANT, UH, A DRIVEWAY ACCESS RATE ONTO NNNZ. UH, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT STRETCH. AND AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE DRAWING IN THERE, THERE'S, UH, MULTIPLE ACCESS POINTS WITHIN THAT AREA. SO IT'S NOT LIKE PUTTING FIVE IN A PLACE WHERE THERE WASN'T FIVE BEFORE. UM, SO IT'S JUST ADDING, [00:30:01] UH, ANOTHER DRIVEWAY IN ONE LOCATION. UH, BUT THIS IS COMPLETELY UP TO YOU AND YOUR PURVIEW AS WHETHER YOU'D LIKE TO, TO GRANT THAT, UH, SECONDARY ACCESS TO THIS PROPERTY OR NOT. JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, I KNOW A COUPLE PEOPLE HAVE SOME QUESTIONS HERE, BUT JUST FOR CLARIFICATION HERE, THIS HAS NO BEARING ON THE PERMIT FOR THE BUILDING OF THE GARAGE ITSELF, CORRECT? UM, I WOULD, YOU CAN GET THAT EITHER WAY. I SHOULD, THIS IS JUST FOR ACCESS, CORRECT. I SHOULD MAKE, YES, I SHOULD HAVE MADE THAT CLEAR. I APOLOGIZE. AND THANKS FOR READING UP. THIS IS YOUR DECIDING ON ACCESS FOR ACCESS ONLY ONTO HIGHWAY N, N AND Z. UM, WHETHER YOU LIKE THE LOOKS OF THE GARAGE OR NOT, OR LIKE THE SETBACKS LIKE THAT, THAT IS A, A TOWN ISSUE OR A SHORELINE ZONING ISSUE, UM, CERTAINLY THEY COULD STILL BUILD IT AND NOT HAVE ACCESS ONTO, YOU KNOW, HAVE A LOWER ACCESS AND THEN HAVE A, A PEDESTRIAN DOOR, IF YOU WILL, COMING OUT TO YEAH, NO, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT WAS CLEAR THAT WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT ACCESS ONLY. CORRECT. THIS HAS NO BEARING ON HIS PERMIT TO GET TO BUILD THE GARAGE. UM, AND THEN THE SECOND QUESTION I HAVE, AND I BELIEVE YOU ALREADY ALLUDED TO THIS, THAT, UM, THE GARAGE, HE, HE WITH HIS EASEMENT ONTO THE ROAD THERE, UH, THERE'S NO, UM, CONFLICT OR ANY SAFETY ISSUES THAT YOU SEE. IT'S, YOU SAID IT MIGHT EVEN BE BETTER GETTING ON THE HIGHWAY THAN THE OTHER DRIVE. HE HAS BETTER SIGHT LINES AND STUFF, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT ANY SAFETY ISSUES TO THE PUBLIC OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. CORRECT. IT, IT MEETS THE SIGHT LINE REQUIREMENTS AGAINST THE LOWER SPEED LIMITS. SO THE SIGHT LINE REQUIREMENTS ARE, ARE LESSENED, UH, AT THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION. THERE'S DRIVEWAYS NORTH AND SOUTH OF THERE ON THAT SAME SIDE OF THE ROADWAY. UH, PERSONALLY IF YOU'RE COMING OUTTA DRIVEWAY IN A LEVEL CONDITION VERSUS, UH, COMING UP A RAMP OH, RIGHT. GENERALLY SPEAKING, YOU CAN DO THAT A LITTLE SAFER. RIGHT. I WOULD SAY, ESPECIALLY IF YOU HAD A CHANCE TO GO OUT THERE AND LOOK AT THE DRIVEWAY, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S PRETTY STEEP. AWESOME. OKAY, WELL WITH THAT IN CONSIDERATION, UH, SUPERVISOR HARTWOOD, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YOU, YOU KIND OF , I KIND OF TOUCHED ON IT ALREADY ONE THAT I WAS GONNA ASK, BUT, UH, WHAT ABOUT THE, THE THREE PROPERTY OWNERS OWN THAT DRIVEWAY TOGETHER, THEN WHO MAINTAINS THAT? WELL, THAT'S, THAT'S AN EASEMENT BETWEEN THE THREE OF THEM. UM, I, I DON'T KNOW WHO MAINTAINS 'EM OFFICIALLY. EVERY DOCUMENT CAN BE DRAFTED UP ANY DIFFERENTLY AND THEN CAN BE MODIFIED OVER TIME. IT'S A, IT'S LIKE A PRIVATE DRIVE THEN, RIGHT? CORRECT. DRIVE. YEAH. IT'S A SHARED COMMON DRIVEWAY. YEAH. OKAY. WHEN, WHEN WE HAVE THESE ON, ON NEW PROPERTIES WHERE THEY, INSTEAD OF HAVING, YOU KNOW, UH, IF WE HAVE A 10 ACRE PARCEL AND WE WANNA DIVIDED TWO, WE HAVE A COMMON DRIVEWAY, WE ASK THEM TO RECORD AN EASEMENT TO MAKE SURE THEY KNOW WHO'S MAINTAINING IT. BECAUSE YOU'D BE SURPRISED AFTER A COUPLE YEARS OF NEIGHBORS BEING GOOD NEIGHBORS AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY BECOME NOT SO GOOD NEIGHBORS AND THE FINGERS START POINTING AND THEY START TALKING TO US AND YEAH, WE'RE DEALING WITH THAT IN, UH, RIGHT, IN AREAS ALREADY. THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION I HAD, BUT YOU, YOU GOT AHEAD OF ME ON THAT, SO I, SORRY ABOUT THAT. UH, SUPERVISOR, M**K, DID YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION? I DID. UH, SO SCOTT, WHEN I LOOK AT EXHIBIT C, THAT'S THE PLA UH, I, SO I'M SORRY. WHERE WOULD THE PROPOSED DRIVEWAY BE? I DON'T, I SEE THE PROPOSED GARAGE. UH, YES. IT DIDN'T SHOW UP BASICALLY FROM THE, THE RIGHT SIDE, UH, YOU'LL SEE THE LITTLE 1.0 GOING OUT TOWARDS EXISTING CURB. UH, THERE'S GOING ZERO COMING OUT. OKAY. YEP. UM, TOWARDS THE WORD THAT SAYS EXISTING BLACKTOP. YEAH. FROM HERE, DOWN HERE SOMEWHERE IN THIS GENERAL AREA WOULD BE A DRIVEWAY. SO IT'LL BE ARE YOU ON EXHIBIT A? IF YOU'RE ON EXHIBIT? YES. OH NO, I'M ON C. ON C, C. THE PLA OF SURVEY EXHIBIT C. OKAY. YEAH. SO I'M JUST TRYING TO SAY, YOU'RE SAYING WHERE IT SAYS 1.0 AND JOHN JUST POINTED OUT IN THE AREA IF YOU SEE THE WORDS EXISTING BLACKTOP. OH YES. OKAY. RIGHT WHERE THE WORD BLACKTOP IS. OKAY. AND LOOKING AT THE PICTURE, THAT'S ALREADY AN APPROACHABLE CURB. SO IT'S ALREADY SET UP FOR DRIVEWAYS, RIGHT? CORRECT. MOUNTABLE. SO THE GARAGE DOOR IS NOT ON THE ROAD, IT'S FACING THE HOUSE, RIGHT? IT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE. THAT'D BE ONE ON EACH SIDE. MM-HMM, . OH, THERE WOULD BE, YEAH, THE LOWER LEVEL WOULD BE FACING THE DRIVEWAY OR THE HOUSE. OH, IT'D BE PASSED THROUGH AND THEN NO, NOT NECESSARILY. 'CAUSE IT'S TWO LEVELS. OH SEE, YES. IF YOU LOOK AT, YES. SO THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A, SO IF YOU LOOK AT SHEET FOUR IN THAT OF THE MULLIN GARAGE YEP. THAT'S LOOKING FROM THE STREET. I GOT YOU. OKAY, I GOT IT. OKAY. SO DONE HERE. SO THE FIRST FLOOR IS A STREET FLOOR. YEAH. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SO YOU SAY I DON'T HAVE TO, YOU NEED TO TAKE A MOTION. YOU NEED TO TAKE A MOTION TO EITHER APPROVE IT OR DENY IT. SO THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T HAVE YOU TAKE A MOTION IN THE BEGINNING BECAUSE YOU GUYS NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHICH WAY YOU'RE GOING. OH, OKAY. I THOUGHT WE HAD TO BRING HIM, UH, TAKE, TAKE THE MOTION TO BRING IT OUT SO KNOW WHICH WAY YOU WERE GOING. GOTCHA. [00:35:02] ALL RIGHT. WELL IF, IF NOBODY ELSE HAS ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL TAKE A MOTION, UH, TO APPROVE, SAY AYE. WELL, NO. OH, MOTION IS SECOND. FIRST FROM SUPERVISOR HARTWIG. SECOND FROM SUPERVISOR M**K. I, I JUST HAVE ONE. I JUST, 'CAUSE I, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THIS, SCOTT, THE, UM, IN EXHIBIT, 'CAUSE I, IT'S HARD TO SEE EXHIBIT C, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT EXHIBIT A, IT'S GOT THE PAVED SHOULDER AREA AND THEN DRIVEWAY SHARED BY, IS THAT ONE THAT'S DRAWN IN THERE? IS THAT TO PROPOSED DRIVEWAY? SO, OR THAT'S THE ONE ONE THAT'S CURRENTLY THERE? YEP. WELL, LET ME WALK YOU THROUGH THAT REAL QUICK. SO THE, THE PROPERTY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS 3 7 1 9 MM-HMM. . UM, AND SO YOU CAN SEE THE HOUSE ON THERE, WHICH IS JUST LEFT OF THE DRIVEWAY. YEP. AND SO THAT DRIVEWAY IS EXISTING RIGHT NOW AND IT GOES ONTO THE DRIVEWAY OF 3 7 1 5 TO GET ONTO COUNTY WAY. AND THEN RIGHT NOW THAT'S THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY. GOT IT. AND SO THAT'S THE ACCESS THAT THEY HAVE AND THEY WANNA MAINTAIN, WHAT THEY WANNA DO IS JUST TO THE LEFT OF THE WORDS, NNN, BETWEEN THE PAVED SHOULDER AREA AND THEIR DRIVEWAY, THEY WANNA PUT THE THREE STORY GARAGE, ONE STORY EXITING TOWARDS THE LAKE, THE NEXT STORY EXITING TOWARDS THE ROADWAY AND A THIRD STORY UP ABOVE THAT. SO WHERE'S THE OTHER EXIT OF, OF THE SECOND EXIT GOING? 'CAUSE THAT'S THE SECOND EXIT. EXIT WILL BE RIGHT TOWARDS THE WORD COUNTY HIGHWAY NNN. SO THINK ABOUT THEY'RE GONNA, SO I MEAN IN, IN THE, IN THE ACTUAL PICTURE, THAT IS A SLOPE DOWN. SO THAT WOULD HAVE IN MY, NO, HE'S BUILDING A MULTI-STORY BUILDING. RIGHT? YEAH. OKAY. BUT A MULTI-STORY BUILDING RIGHT THERE. BUT THEN THERE WILL BE ACCESS TO THAT BUILDING FROM YEP. IF YOU GO TO PICTURE FIVE, UM, OF THE PLAN SET, I'LL WAIT TILL GET THERE. IF YOU THUMB DOWN TO NUMBER FIVE, HE'S GOT A PLAN SET OF THE BUILDING. IT'S IN THE SAME PACKET. WOULD IT, DO YOU KNOW WHAT EXHIBIT? UH, LET ME HELP YOU. I'M SORRY, I, I JUST HAVE TO THINK. I'M HAVING A HARD TIME SEEING IT. SO, UH, EXHIBIT B GO DOWN. OH, WHICH ONE YOU WANT? THIS ONE? LET'S SEE. OH, HERE. OH, I SEE YOU GOT 'EM OPEN SEPARATELY. YEAH, SO, SO EXHIBIT B, HERE'S THE PICTURE IS THE, YEP. NOPE, YOU GOTTA GO FURTHER DOWN. THAT'S THE REPORT. HOLD ON. EXHIBIT B AND AN APPEAL EXISTING CONDITIONS. TRY TO B OPEN THAT ONE UP. DO YOU WANT ME TO BRING IT UP, MICHAEL? TOO HARD? YOU SHOWING THIS NOW ON FIVE? YEAH. YOU JUST DIDN'T HAVE THE PLANS OPEN. YEAH. SO THERE, THERE'S THE LOWER LEVEL AND EXIT. YEP. AND HERE WOULD BE TOWARDS THE ROAD. OKAY. SO THE BUILDING DOES GO IN THE FRONT OF THOSE HOUSES AND IT WOULD, IT WOULD FACE N END AND THEN YOU WOULD HAVE, THAT'S WHERE THE ACCESS WOULD BE, WOULD BE RIGHT OUT FROM THE GARAGE? CORRECT. ON NNN. OKAY. I CAN SEE THAT. BUT, BUT HE WOULD ALSO HAVE THE ACCESS DOWN BELOW, DOWN BELOW IN THE DRIVEWAY GOING DRIVEWAY. THAT DOESN'T CHANGE. CORRECT. OKAY. SO THE BUILDING WOULD BE THE SECOND ACCESS. I, I, I JUST COULDN'T SEE THAT BEFORE, BUT, OKAY. AND THEN A THIRD FLOOR ON TOP OF THAT. AND THAT'S SETBACK SOMEWHAT FROM, IT'S NOT RIGHT ON N END. THAT WOULD BE A SETBACK TO THAT. CORRECT. AND THAT'S WHAT THE OTHER DRAWING IS FOR. BUT YES, IT'S, IT'S JUST OFF OF THE RIGHT OF WAY ABOUT A FOOT OFF OF THE RIGHT OF WAY ON ONE CORNER AND 4.2 FEET OFF THE RIGHT OF WAY IN THE OTHER CORNER. AND THAT'S, AGAIN, THAT'S A TOWN ZONING, BUILDING SETBACK REQUIREMENTS, OUR REQUIREMENTS AND, AND STOPS RIGHT AT THE RIGHT OF WAY LINE. IF THEY WANNA BUILD, YOU KNOW, A QUARTER INCH FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY LINE, WE'RE FINE WITH THAT. SO ANYTHING PAST THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CONTROL THE RIGHT OF WAY. WE DON'T CONTROL PAST THE RIGHT OF WAY. GOTCHA. THAT'S THE TOWN'S PURVIEW. GOTCHA. AND, AND JUST A REMINDER GUYS, THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT UP THAT WE'RE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE BUILDING ITSELF. WE'RE JUST HERE TO APPROVE THE, THE APPROACH. YEAH. THE ROAD. RIGHT. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THEN? MM-HMM. SO NOW I CAN TAKE A VOTE. YEAH, YOU GOT THE MOTION TO APPROVE IT. SO, OKAY. ALL APPROVES SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? NO MOTION CARRIES. ALL RIGHT THEN OUR NEXT MEETING IS THURSDAY, JULY 18TH AT THREE O'CLOCK. THIS MEETING'S ADJOURNED. MR. WHY WOULD THIS COME. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.