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I'M CALLING THIS MEETING OF LAND USE AND PLANNING COMMITTEE TO ORDER.
UH, PROPER NOTIFICATION HAS BEEN SENT BY THE CLERK'S OFFICE.
UH, FOR NOTICE OF THIS MEETING, PLEASE JOIN ME IN RISING FOR A MOMENT OF ASYLUM PRAYER AND OUR PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
OKAY, WE'LL START OFF WITH OUR PREVIOUS MINUTES.
UH, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS OR CORRECTIONS THAT NEED TO BE DONE? MOTION TO SET.
WE WILL GO AHEAD AND SET 'EM, BUT YOU CAN MAKE A, WE'LL MOVE ON TO OUR CONSENT AGENDA.
UH, WE HAVE THREE SIP PAYMENTS.
[Consent Agenda]
UM, WE'LL JUST GROUP 'EM TOGETHER.I'LL CALL FOR A MOTION FOR THE THREE.
MOTION BY SUPERVISOR KREBS, SECONDED BY SUPERVISOR MARY.
UH, ANY DISCUSSION ON THESE? HEARING NONE, I WILL ACCEPT THEM AS, UH, OR WE'LL GO AHEAD AND VOTE ON THAT.
UH, ALL SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
AND WE WILL HAVE THE, UH, UW EXTENSION QUARTERLY REPORT.
[a. UW Extension Quarterly Report]
YOU, MS. LUDWIG, OR WHO'S COMING UP.UM, I BELIEVE OUR FOUR H EDUCATOR WILL BE, WILL BE DOING THIS UPDATE.
RON JACOB, BISON, FOUR H EDUCATOR.
UH, AND SO MY QUARTERLY REPORT, REALLY, UH, FOUR H IS CLOSING OUT ITS YEAR, UH, IN JUNE.
AND SO I WANNA DO SOME HIGHLIGHTS, UH, REAL COOLEY FOR A FEW MINUTES.
UH, NUMBER ONE, WE ENDED THE YEAR WITH 607 YOUTH ENROLLED.
THAT'S UP 6.9% FROM LAST YEAR.
WE HAD 219 VOLUNTEERS, AND THAT'S DOWN A HANDFUL.
UM, BUT WE MAINTAINED 16 COUNTY CLUBS WITH 20 COUNTYWIDE PROJECTS THAT MEANT, THAT MET, UH, MONTHLY EITHER AT THE PAC OR OUT AT THE FAIRGROUNDS.
OUR RETENTION RATE FROM LAST YEAR WITH OUR MEMBERSHIP, UH, WAS 81%.
UH, JUST KIND OF GIVE A YES NO, JUST GO AHEAD.
OH, UH, JUST TO GIVE IT A PERC, REPEAT THE NUMBER OF, REPEAT THE NUMBER FOR EACH MEMBERS.
UH, WE HAD 601 YOUTH 219, UH, VOLUNTEERS.
UM, THE RETENTION RATE FROM LAST YEAR WAS 81%.
UH, JUST TO PUT THAT IN PERSPECTIVE, THE STATE AVERAGES 80% AND THE SURROUNDING COUNTIES, THERE'S ONE WITH 75%, AND THERE'S ONE WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, 84%.
AND WE DON'T WANNA PUT TOO MUCH INTO THAT NUMBERS.
WE HAVE TO DIG DEEPER AS TO WHAT RETENTION RATE REALLY MEANS.
'CAUSE A LOT OF THINGS COULD GO INTO IT.
WHO'S GRADUATING OUT? MAYBE LITTLE KIDS, YOU KNOW, WEREN'T THAT INTERESTED.
UM, BUT THE TOP PROJECTS IN WASHINGTON COUNTY WERE ARCHERY WITH 198.
AGAIN, THAT'S OUT OF 607 YOUTH ART, 117 PHOTOGRAPHY, 84 AIR RIFLE AND POULTRY WERE TIED AT 79.
I DON'T THINK THERE WAS A RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE TWO.
UM, BUT AS A NOTE, ON A SERIOUS NOTE, UH, OUR FOUR H STUDENT, HOLLY ELINGER, UM, WAS ACTUALLY PICKED TO BE PART OF THE WISCONSIN STATE, UH, SHOOTING TEAM, AND WENT TO NATIONALS.
AND SHE, UM, UM, ACTUALLY PLACED FOURTH IN THE AIR PISTOL IN THE NATION.
UH, UH, THE BIGGEST, UH, PROBABLY EVENT HIGHLIGHT FOR THIS LAST QUARTER IS, UH, FOUR H SUMMER CAMP.
JUNE 13TH THROUGH THE 16TH, WE HAD A TOTAL OF 104 IN ATTENDANCE.
THAT WAS UP 29% FROM LAST YEAR.
SO, UH, UH, WE HAD 20 TEEN VOLUNTEERS WHO SERVE AS CABIN LEADERS AND RESOURCE LEADERS.
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UH, RESOURCE LEADERS AND LEARNING OPPORTUNITIES WITH WATER ECOLOGY, CANOEING, ARCHERY, CRAFTS, TEAM CHALLENGE COURSE SWIMMING AND WATERFRONT ACTIVITIES.AND CAMP IN GENERAL IS FOR THIRD THROUGH EIGHTH GRADE.
SO OUR HIGH SCHOOL LEADERS, WELL, OUR LEADERS ARE HIGH SCHOOL AND THEN ADULTS.
SO THIS IS A YEAR LONG PROCESS.
CAMP STARTS IN THE FALL WITH YOUTH WHO, UH, APPLY AND THEY INTERVIEW AND THEY GET CHOSEN.
THERE'S ABOUT EIGHT HOURS OF TRAINING THAT THEY GO THROUGH ON FACILITATION SKILLS, EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS, HOW TO TALK TO LIKE LITTLE THIRD GRADERS ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THEY DON'T GET A SECOND COOKIE AT DINNER, UH, ALL THE WAY UP TO HOMESICKNESS.
UM, AND SO, UH, IT WAS A GREAT, GREAT CAMP.
AND, UM, MOVING ON, WE DO HAVE A SUMMER INTERN WHO HAS BEEN REALLY BUSY ALREADY, EVEN THOUGH CAMP FEEL OR SUMMER FEELS LIKE IT'S ONLY PARTWAY OVER.
UM, WE'RE INVOLVED WITH CAMP SUPERHERO, WHICH IS PART OF THE VOLUNTEER CENTER OF WASHINGTON COUNTY.
WE ACTUALLY DO THE TRAINING FOR THE TEEN LEADERS USING OUR FOUR H LEADERSHIP CURRICULUM AND LESSONS.
UM, MYSELF AND KELLY, THE OTHER POSITIVE YOUTH DEVELOPMENT EDUCATOR, HAD COMPLETED THOSE, UH, TRAININGS WITH THOSE TEEN STAFF.
AND THEN OUR INTERN, AND KELLY ALSO DID A TASTE OF FOUR H AT WEEK ONE OF CAMP SUPERHERO, UM, TO INTRODUCE HIM TO FOUR H AND THEN DO SOME FOUR H ACTIVITIES.
NEXT WEEK, THERE'LL BE ANOTHER SEPARATE WEEK, AND I'LL GO OVER WITH, UM, KELLY AND DO THAT.
GERMANTOWN HAS A SAFETY TOWN PROGRAM THAT WE DO ALL THE TIME EVERY YEAR, AND THEY DO A LITTLE SAFETY, A FARM SAFETY PRESENTATION.
UH, FORGET THIS WITH FOUR TO SIX YEAR OLDS.
AND WE HAVE, UH, FOUR H VOLUNTEERS GO OVER AND DO A LITTLE PRESENTATION ON FARM SAFETY WITH THEM.
UH, WISCONSIN DAIRY PROMOTION COMMITTEE PROVIDES ICE CREAM.
UM, OUR INTERN ALSO HAD DONE THREE OUT OF FIVE PRESENTATIONS.
SHE HAS TWO MORE TO DO AT SLINGER LIBRARY WITH SOME STEM LESSONS ON, UH, THAT ARE LESSON BASED.
BUT THEY'RE MAKING ICE CREAM, SOMETHING CALLED OBL, AND THEN PAPER ROCK ROCKETS.
OBL IS THAT STUFF THAT YOU, IF YOU PRESS IT, IT TURNS A LIQUID, AND IF YOU LET IT GO, IT TURNS SOLID.
IF YOU HAVE GRANDKIDS, YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS.
UM, CASA GUADALUPE, WE HAVE ONE OUT OF TWO PRESENTATIONS THAT ARE STEM RELATED.
UM, THIS ONE WE DID WAS MARSHMALLOW CATAPULTS, TALKING ABOUT TRAJECTORY ANGLES, UM, SPEED, UM, JACKSON BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB, TWO OF TWO PRESENTATIONS, UH, ICE CREAM.
AND THEN THE SECOND WAS POULTRY, UH, INTRODUCING THEM TO CHICKENS AND TO DUCKS.
UM, YOU WILL SEE, UH, FOUR H DOWN AT THE FARMER'S MARKET, UM, WITH CLUBS DOING, UM, STANDS.
AND THEN YOU'LL ALSO SEE OUR INTERN PROMOTING FOUR H.
SO YOU'LL SEE OUR LITTLE FLAGS FLAPPING OUR, OUR PEOPLE THERE.
UM, FOUR H UH, INVOLVEMENT IN FAIR IS COMING UP.
AND FOUR H IS FOUR H, BUT FOUR H IS SUPER THRILLED TO BE PART OF FAIR OF THE 6,211 EXHIBITS THAT HAPPENED AT FAIR.
4,020 ARE FOUR H EXHIBITS, OR FOUR H KIDS WHO'VE EXHIBITED.
REMEMBER, WE ONLY HAVE 607 KIDS, BUT THERE'S 4,000 EXHIBITS.
SO YOU CAN DO THE MATH IF YOU WANNA DO THE AVERAGE ON THAT.
UM, FOUR H YOUTH AND VOLUNTEERS, UM, VOLUNTEER HUNDREDS OF HOURS AT THE FAIR, INCLUDING PLANTING FLOWERS MONTHS BEFORE, UH, FAIR LAYING MULCH, TOSSING HAY IN STALLS, UM, FAIR PARK, OR, UH, THEY DO BUILDING SITTING, BARN SITTING, YOUTH JUDGES, UH, YOUTH JUDGE ASSISTANCE, AS WELL AS THE FOOD STAND AND ASSISTING WITH SET UP AND TAKE DOWN IN THE ZIGLAR BUILDING BEFORE AND AFTER THE FAIR.
SO IN AUGUST, SEPTEMBER, UM, MUCH LIKE SCHOOL ENROLLMENT BEGINS SEPTEMBER ONE FOR FOUR H.
THAT MEANS CLUBS, UH, TURN IN AN ANNUAL FINANCIAL REPORT FOR THE PREVIOUS YEAR.
THEY TURN THAT INTO ME, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I REVIEW WITH THEM.
UM, BUT YOUTH ENROLL SEPTEMBER 1ST, VOLUNTEERS ENROLL YOUTH PICK THEIR PROJECTS OF INTEREST THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO BE A PART OF.
UM, AND THEN THERE WILL BE AN ALL CLUB LEADERS MEETING ON OCTOBER 20, OR, I'M SORRY, UH, AUGUST 21ST.
ALL THE LEADERS WILL COME TOGETHER, TALK ABOUT THEIR PAST YEAR, WHAT THEY NEED FOR THE NEXT YEAR.
UM, WE HAVE OPEN HOUSE SEPTEMBER 17TH, WHICH IS AN OPEN MEMBERSHIP DRIVE, UH, THAT HAPPENS OUT AT FAIR PARK.
AND WE PROMOTE THAT WITH THE SCHOOLS AND THE LIBRARIES.
AND THEN, UH, YOUTH OFFICER TRAINING IS OCTOBER 16TH, WHERE ALL CLUBS, THOSE 16 CLUBS HAVE A FULL, UH, LINE OF CLUB OFFICERS AND ALL THOSE YOUTH LEARN THE ROBERTS RULES, UH, AND THEY LEARN, UH, ABOUT THEIR OWN INDIVIDUAL, UH, OFFICER ROLE.
SO I DID THAT ALL IN ONE BREATH.
SO I THINK I, I MET MY GOAL HERE.
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IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS OR CONCERNS, OH, WE'LL ALSO BE PART OF YOUR 25TH ANNIVERSARY, UH, CELEBRATION, RIGHT? WITH, UH, BRINGING SOME FOUR H YOUTH OUT TO FAIR PARK FOR LEADING THE PLEDGE.AND WE HAVE A STUDENT WHO WILL SING AT THE END OF THAT 25TH, UH, CELEBRATION AS WELL.
OUTSTANDING THAT RON HAS BEEN WORKING WITH US IN COURT GETTING, UM, CAPTAIN FOUR H MEMBERS TO COME AND LEAD THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, AS WELL AS THE FOUR H PLEDGE.
AND THEN ONE, UH, WHAT GRADE SHE'S IN, SHE'S GONNA LEAD THE GROUP IN SINGING.
YEAH, I THINK, UH, ISABELLA IS, UH, I THINK SHE'S EITHER JUNIOR OR SENIOR, BUT SHE, UH, YOUNGER SISTER LEE OR YOUNGER, ONE OF THEM IS DOING THE PLEDGE, ONE OF 'EM SINGING.
OH, ONE OF THEM SANG AT THE STATE FAIR LAST YEAR.
UH, IN TERMS OF THE JOE ROYAL GENERAL POPULATION OF YOUTHS IN WASHINGTON COUNTY, MM-HMM.
HAVE WE SEE, HAVE FOUR H NUMBERS STAYED PRETTY MUCH ON AN EVEN PERCENTAGE OF THE OVERALL YOUTHFUL POPULATION? OR HAS THE FOUR H INVOLVEMENT BEEN HIGHER OR LOWER? I MEAN, IS, IS FOUR H INVOLVEMENT SLIDING WITH THE GENERAL POPULATION, OR IS IT MAINTAINING? WELL, IT INCREASED LAST YEAR, I THINK, BY 5%.
AND THEN THIS YEAR WAS, IT SAID 6.9% LOOKING AT THE ENROLLMENT NUMBERS.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE THAT KIND OF LAYS OUT.
WE COULD DIG DEEPER INTO THE NUMBERS AND WE COULD DO THAT SOME OTHER TIME.
BUT REAL QUICKLY, I KNOW THAT, UH, 12.7%, UH, UM, UH, HAVE IDENTIFIED THE MEMBERS HAVE IDENTIFIED LIVING ON A FARM.
SO WE CAN KINDA LOOK AT SOME OF THOSE POCKETS.
BUT THERE'S CLUBS THROUGHOUT THE, THROUGH THE COUNTY.
WE KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN SOME CLUBS IN THE LAST FIVE TO SEVEN YEARS THAT THERE'S BEEN A COUPLE THAT HAVE SHUT DOWN.
THERE'S A COUPLE THAT HAVE ACTUALLY, UH, COMBINED.
UH, BUT THE NUMBERS ARE SLOWLY CREEPING UP.
SO, UM, WE'LL ADD ANOTHER PROJECT THIS YEAR.
WE HAVE AN ADULT WHO WANTS TO DO A, A MINERALS, UH, UM, UH, PROJECT.
SO IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S STEADY FOR SURE, WITH A LITTLE BIT OF INCREASE HERE AND THERE, YOU, YOU MENTIONED BARN SITTING, UH, BRINGS BACK MEMORIES.
WHEN I WAS A KID IN FOUR H, UH, ONE OF MY RESPONSIBILITIES ONE YEAR WAS TO BE A BARN SITTER FOR THE POULTRY IN THE RABBIT BARN, WHICH WAS REAL GOOD UNTIL ABOUT EIGHT O'CLOCK FRIDAY NIGHT WHEN SOME LOCAL CUBES CAME IN AND START OPENING UP THE CAGES.
WE GOT EVERYBODY BACK ALREADY.
HOPEFULLY ONE ROOSTER WENT OVER THE FENCE IN ANOTHER SCHOOL YARD.
IF THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, UH, WELL, I DEFINITELY WOULD LIKE TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO MY WAYNE CRUSADERS, UH,
AND, AND I'M REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO THE FAIR, UH, THIS YEAR I ALWAYS TAKE THE WEEK OFF TO GO TO THE FAIR, AND NOW I HAVE SPECIAL REASON TO, SO I'M VERY MUCH LOOKING FORWARD TO IT.
UH, AND I ABSOLUTELY AM LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING ALL THE EXHIBITS, UH, ESPECIALLY THE HOGS THAT'S, UH, WHERE MY PEOPLE ARE.
UM, SO WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE BOARD FURTHER FORGE? VERY GOOD.
WELL, I'LL SEE YOU AT THE FAIR.
OKAY, NEXT UP IS THE LAND RESOURCES QUARTERLY REPORT.
[b. Land Resources Quarterly Report]
UM, I AM, I WILL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE ON THIS REPORT.I WILL ADD THAT, UM, YOU SEE THE, UH, INITIATIVE ABOUT KIND OF THE TRANSITION AND BECAUSE OF THE TIMING OF PUTTING THESE INITIATIVES TOGETHER AND THE TIMING OF THE COUNTY BOARD STRATEGIC PRIORITIES, WE ARE SHAKING THIS UP A LITTLE BIT.
WE'RE TALKING, UM, ABOUT SOME ADDITIONAL WATER HEALTH LAND IN RURAL COMMUNITY GRANT PROGRAMS, THINGS THAT DON'T SHOW UP HERE.
UM, SO THIS FALL, PROBABLY SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER, WE'LL BE TALKING MORE COMPREHENSIVELY ABOUT, UM, THE FOCUS OF THE NATURAL RESOURCES DEPARTMENT AND SOME OF THOSE INITIATIVES OF THE COUNTY BOARD COMING FROM THAT WATER HEALTH INITIATIVE TOPIC.
SO I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE HERE TODAY.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS TOPIC? ALL RIGHT.
HEARING NONE, WE'LL MOVE ON ONE MOMENT.
UM, WE'LL START WITH THE, UH, SILVER LINING AMPHITHEATER DISCUSSION.
[c. Silver Lining Amphitheater Discussion]
COUPLE OF IN, UH, GUESTS HERE TONIGHT THAT I'D LIKE TO RECOGNIZE.FIRST, UH, MR. JOSEPH BALLAS, EAGLES ENTERTAINMENT IS HERE.
I'M A BIG FAN OF YOUR, YOUR WORK.
UM, AND ALSO SUPERVISOR M**K WHO MET WITH, UH, MR.
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BALLAST STRU, I BELIEVE LAST YEAR AS PART OF THE LAND USE AND PLANNING.UM, I, I AM VERY PLEASED TO HAVE HIM HERE TO GIVE SOME OF HIS KNOWLEDGE AND HIS THOUGHTS.
UM, BUT I WILL START WITH, UH, MS. LUDWIG.
UH, DO YOU WANNA START OFF? UM, SURE, I CAN.
THERE WAS A REPORT IN YOUR PACKET KIND OF SUMMARIZING THE BACKGROUND.
AND SO WHAT WE WANTED TO DO WAS PROVIDE THIS COMMITTEE, WHICH IS NEW WITH THE BACKGROUND OF THESE CONVERSATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN HAPPENING, UM, FOR A WHILE.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE STAGE WAS ACTUALLY BUILT 2015, SO WE'RE GOING ON ALMOST 10 YEARS AGO, UM, BASED ON THE MATERIAL IN YOUR PACKET.
UM, THE INTENTION OF THAT AT THE TIME, AND THEN THE SUBSEQUENT STEPS THAT HAVE LED US TO, UM, KIND OF THE CURRENT STAGE.
AND, UM, WE'RE KIND OF WANTING TO PROVIDE THE BACKGROUND, GIVE THE COMMITTEE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE ANY THOUGHTS THAT THEY HAD WITH US, KNOWING THAT, UM, THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE AND A SMALL CONTINGENCY, UM, INCLUDING SUPERVISOR M**K, UM, THAT SUPERVISOR COWLING HAS ASKED TO MAINTAIN SOME CONSISTENCY ACROSS THE COMMITTEES, UM, TO ATTEND THAT, TO TALK TO MR. BASRA A LITTLE BIT MORE JUST ABOUT, YOU KNOW, MOVING FORWARD, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THIS STAGE TO REALLY TRY TO GET UTILIZATION OF IT OR, OR HOW WE MIGHT DO THAT.
SO THAT IS SCHEDULED FOR NEXT WEEK.
UM, AND WITH THAT, I'D BE HAPPY TO HEAR ANY COMMENTS THAT ANYBODY HAS ABOUT THE TOPIC.
KIND OF GOING, UM, GOING, KNOWING THAT THAT MEETING IS, IS AHEAD OF US.
UM, SO I GUESS, UM, I WOULD START WITH, UH, SUPERVISOR, M**K, IF YOU WANT TO STEP FORWARD, PLEASE FIRST, UH, LET ME THANK YOU AGAIN FOR, FOR SHOWING UP AND, AND SHARING YOUR KNOWLEDGE WITH US.
I KNOW YOU'RE DONE WITH YOUR MEETING AND YOU'RE READY TO PROBABLY GO HOME.
UM, BUT AGAIN, REITERATING WHAT JAMIE SAID EARLIER, I, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL RELATIVELY NEW ON THIS COMMITTEE, THOUGH, NOT NEW TO THE BOARD.
AND, UH, THIS IS SUCH AN IMPORTANT ITEM, UH, TO THIS COMMITTEE, TO OUR COMMUNITY THAT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD SOMEBODY WHO HAD SOME STRONG LEADERSHIP WHO HAS BEEN INVOLVED, UH, AND CERTAINLY, UH, JUST TELLS IT LIKE IT IS.
SO, UH, I'M VERY PLEASED TO HAVE YOU HERE TODAY.
UH, YOU CAN JUST GIVE US A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND OR, OR WHAT YOU LIKE TO, LIKE FOR US TO KNOW.
I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO MEET JOE LAST YEAR, AND, UH, OF COURSE VERY, I, UH, IMPRESSED WITH HIM.
JOE IS A LEGEND IN THIS INDUSTRY.
THE RAVEN, THE EAGLES CLUB IS AN ICONIC PLACE, AND HE HAS A TERRIFIC REPUTATION, UH, AS A PROMOTER.
AND, UM, SO, YOU KNOW, THE, YOU KNOW, THE ISSUES WITH REGARD TO THE SILVER LINING AMPHITHEATER AND PROMOTIONS THERE, YOU KNOW, WHAT I LEARNED WAS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT FACETS FROM THIS.
SO, SO FIRST OF ALL, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A FACILITY, WHICH IS, IT'S A, IT'S A NICE STAGE.
UM, IT'S NOT REALLY AN AMPHITHEATER OR A FACILITY, IT'S A STAGE IN THE MIDDLE OF A FIELD.
AND IN ORDER TO MAKE IT INTO SOMETHING THAT'S INTIMATE, MAYBE SOMETHING ALONG LINES OF WHAT YOU SEE AT FEST WITH, UH, THE BM O HARRIS OR YOU KNOW, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IT WOULD TAKE SOME MONEY AND IT WOULD TAKE, UH, SOME INFRASTRUCTURE.
THERE'S OBVIOUSLY NO DRESSING ROOMS THERE, THERE'S NO BATHROOMS THERE, THERE'S NO REAL DEFINITION TO THE AREA.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A CHALLENGE.
AND, UM, SO YOU'RE TRYING TO, TO, TO, TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT SHAPE PEG FITS INTO THE FACILITY THAT WE HAVE.
AND SO RIGHT NOW WHAT WE HAVE ARE SORT OF THE, THE BONES, UH, OF A NICE FACILITY, BUT WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A COMPLETE FACILITY.
AND THE COST TO DO THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, TO PUT IN SEEDING OR TO PUT IN COVERAGE, AND, AND JOE CAN GET INTO THESE THINGS.
I'M NOT GONNA ELABORATE TOO MUCH.
YOU KNOW, THERE'D BE A SUBSTANTIAL COST OF THAT.
AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE REALLY WANNA SUBJECT, UH, THE WASHINGTON COUNTY TAXPAYERS TO THAT.
BECAUSE THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS THING IS WHEN YOU LOOK AT SOMETHING, I LIKE TO CALL IT LOAD FACTOR, RIGHT? AND THE LOAD FACTOR IS WHAT'S THE UTILIZ, UH, OR UTILIZATION RATE? WHAT'S THE UTILIZATION RATE OF SOMETHING LIKE THIS? WE HAVE OUR COUNTY FAIR, YOU MIGHT HAVE SOME OTHER EVENTS, BUT LET'S FACE IT, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A FORWARD FACING ASSET THAT THE COUNTY HAS, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT A GOOD UTILIZATION RATE FOR THIS THING MIGHT BE 3% OR 4%.
THINK ABOUT THAT, RIGHT? HOW MANY DAYS IN A YEAR AND HOW MANY DAYS IS IT ACTUALLY USED? SO HOW MUCH MONEY DO YOU WANNA PUT INTO IT? UM, SO THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS YOU'RE TRYING TO BALANCE OUT.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, SO WE HAVE OUR, YOU KNOW, OUR FACILITY QUESTION, HOW DO YOU MAKE IT INTO SOMETHING? BECAUSE AGAIN, RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE A STAGE.
UM, BUT WE REALLY, BUT WE REALLY DON'T HAVE A
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VENUE.UM, AND SO THERE'S THAT PART OF IT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO PUT TOGETHER.
UM, UH, AND MR. BALLER IS IN A VERY COMPETITIVE BUSINESS.
HE HAS, UM, COMPETITORS OUT THERE THAT ARE ALSO SEEKING ACTS, LIVE NATION BEING THE BIG ONE.
YOU KNOW, THEY'RE BEING SUED RIGHT NOW AND THEY'RE OFF, AND THEY'RE ABLE TO OFFER ACTS, UM, A NUMBER OF DATES AND MONEY UPFRONT AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
IT'S A VERY COMPETITIVE BUSINESS.
SO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE PEOPLE WISH THAT THERE WAS MORE THAT HAPPENED.
I WISH THAT THERE'S MORE THINGS THAT WERE GOING ON AT THE SILVER LINING AMPHITHEATER.
IT'S A VERY FORWARD FACING ASSET.
YOU SEE IT RIGHT FROM THE FREEWAY, RIGHT? UM, BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, THAT'S A LOT TOUGHER ROAD TO HOE THAN WE ALL KNOW.
AND IT'S NOT EASY TO TRY TO GET THE RIGHT TYPE OF ACT IN THERE.
YOU KNOW, YOU PUT A HUNDRED OR 200 PEOPLE THERE AND THE PLACE JUST LOOKS EMPTY, RIGHT? UM, BUT IT'S HARD TO GET MORE PEOPLE IN THERE OUTSIDE OF THE FAIR.
UH, YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE THE RIGHT DRAWS.
AND SO JOE CAN SPEAK, UH, TO THAT PART OF IT.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES YOU RUN INTO A CIRCUMSTANCE WHERE, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE HAVE IS THIS IS JUST A VERY TOUGH INDUSTRY, AND IT, IT'S VERY CHALLENGING FOR HIM.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A FACILITY THAT'S NOT EXACTLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A NICE FACILITY.
IT'S JUST NOT REALLY SOMETHING.
I MEAN, THERE'S ALL KINDS OF VISIONS YOU COULD HAVE FOR IT.
UH, YOU KNOW, THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT I'VE THOUGHT OF THAT COULD BE LOWER COST WAYS TO MAYBELY MAKE IT MORE DEFINED, UH, AND INTIMATE AND INTO SOMETHING.
UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A, YOU KNOW, UM, A CHALLENGE TOO.
SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, A VISION FOR THAT.
AND THEN THE OTHER COMPETITORS THAT ARE IN, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT ARE IN THIS FIELD, SO PLACES LIKE, UH, YOU KNOW, FRANK PRODUCTIONS, UH, SOME OF THESE OTHER PRODUCTION COMPANIES, THEY'VE PROPOSED PLACES AND WE'VE ALL HEARD THESE THINGS, RIGHT? THEY WERE GONNA PUT ONE IN DOWNTOWN MILWAUKEE AND THE POT OF OTOMY.
AND YOU'LL NOTICE THERE'S ALWAYS THESE PLANS.
BUT, YOU KNOW, LIKE DEVELOPERS, WHEN THE RUBBER HITS THE ROAD, YOU KNOW, THE MONEY ISN'T THERE AND THEY NEVER HAPPEN.
NONE OF THESE THINGS HAVE HAPPENED, AND IT'S HAPPENED.
IT'S BECAUSE THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE NUMBER OF EVENTS THEY CAN PUT INTO IT AND THE REVENUE YOU CAN GENERATE OUT OF IT.
AND NO BANK IS GONNA GIVE THEM ANY MONEY 'CAUSE THEY CAN'T MAKE IT WORK, RIGHT? SO, I MEAN, SO, SO THAT PART OF IT'S CHALLENGE.
SO THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING WITH ANY OF THESE OTHER NEW VENUES COMING UP.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I GIVE THE COUNTY A LOT OF CREDIT.
ONE OF THE NICE THINGS IS WHEN I'VE BEEN ON THE WASHINGTON COUNTY BOARD FOR THREE YEARS, AND YOU REALLY SEE, AND I KNOW WE HAVE OUR, OUR PILLARS, RIGHT? UH, YOU KNOW, THAT WE, YOU KNOW, THAT WE, UH, YOU KNOW, REFER TO WHEN WE'RE MAKING DECISIONS, UM, IN BUSINESS, I WAS PART, UH, YOU KNOW, OF AN ENTITY WHERE WE USE SIX SIGMA AND, AND SIX SIGMA'S GREAT.
BECAUSE YOU'RE ALWAYS LOOKING AT WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND YOU'RE SAYING, WHY AM I DOING WHAT I'M DOING? OR WHAT AM I DOING WITH THIS? AND YOU'RE CONSTANTLY LOOKING, AND THAT'S A GREAT THING.
AND, YOU KNOW, ON MY TIME ON THE BOARD, WE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE DONE A LOT OF THINGS, RIGHT? WE'VE MADE A LOT OF CHANGES AND WE'VE MADE SOME HARD DECISIONS, SAMARITAN AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
THE AMPHITHEATER IS A REALLY DIFFERENT ANIMAL.
IT'S REALLY DIFFERENT 'CAUSE YOU'D LIKE TO DO SOMETHING WITH IT, AND YOU LOOK AT IT AND THINK THERE'S MORE THAT CAN BE DONE.
AND JOE'S BUSINESS IS VERY DIFFICULT TOO.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT HAS A LOT OF UPSIDE BECAUSE IT HAS GOOD FREEWAY ACCESS.
WE HAVE A SAFE AREA, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME GOOD BONES, THERE'S SOME NICE, UM, YOU KNOW, INFRASTRUCTURE THERE, BUT IT'S NOT APPEALING TO A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE IN, YOU KNOW, THE ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY.
AND AGAIN, I'M GONNA LET JOE SPEAK TO THAT.
AND, UM, ALL I CAN SAY IS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THOSE THINGS WHERE A LOT OF SMART PEOPLE, I THINK JAMIE'S VERY SHARP.
YOU KNOW, JOSH, I MEAN, YOU LOOK AT EVERYBODY HERE AND, AND JOE AND JOE'S BEEN IN THIS INDUSTRY FOR A LONG TIME, AND YOU LOOK AT IT AND YOU'RE STILL KIND OF SHRUGGING YOUR SHOULDERS JUST LIKE THOSE OTHER ENTITIES THAT ARE PROPOSING THESE OTHER FACILITIES.
AND YOU JUST, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T QUITE MAKE IT GO BECAUSE OF THE ENVIRONMENT AND THE NUMBERS.
UM, SO IT, IT'S, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A CLEAR CUT.
THERE ARE, IN MY OPINION, THERE'S NO CLEAR CUT ANSWERS TO THIS THING RIGHT NOW.
AND THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF, OF TURMOIL IN THIS INDUSTRY.
UM, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT WHEN I MET, YOU KNOW, JOE, HE'S CLEARLY A VERY SHARP GUY.
IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE, THE THINGS THAT HAVEN'T HAPPENED AREN'T BECAUSE HE'S NOT A GOOD PARTNER AND HE'S NOT TRYING, IT'S BECAUSE HE'S IN A REALLY DIFFICULT INDUSTRY WITH A BIG PLAYER THAT'S REALLY SQUEEZING PEOPLE OUT, EVEN HIM AT HIS OWN VENUE, THE RAVEN EAGLES CLUB, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, AND IF YOU'RE ALL FAMILIAR, JUST, YOU KNOW, THREE DIFFERENT VENUES THERE, AND IT'S AN ICONIC PLACE.
AND HE'S, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, HE EVEN HAS HIS CHALLENGES THERE.
SO, YOU KNOW, FOR WHATEVER ANY
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OF THAT IS WORTH THAT, I JUST SAID, THAT'S SORT OF MY OVERVIEW OF THIS.AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT I LEARNED LAST YEAR, AND MAYBE YOU'RE GONNA LEARN AS WE, UH, AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
SO I GUESS THAT'S ALL I CAN TELL YOU AT THIS POINT, THAT THAT'S MY, YOU KNOW, VO AND IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS, I'M, I'M HAPPY TO TRY TO SHARE.
OKAY, MR. UH, SUPERVISOR, M**K, I APPRECIATE YEAH, WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
I MEAN, IT, IT, IT IS REALLY A HUGE HELP.
UH, I THINK THAT CONSISTENCY, UH, JUST BY YOUR SPEECH IS, IS WELL WARRANTED.
SO I'LL LOOK FORWARD TO, TO MEETING WITH YOU AND WORKING ON THAT, UH, AS WE KEEP MOVING FORWARD.
WHATEVER VALUE I CAN BE IN THIS, I'M, I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT.
SUPERVISOR KELLY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, DENNIS.
UM, MR. BERY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME UP? UM, FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO SAY, UH, MR. BASRA, I, I, I ACTUALLY WORKED IN SECURITY FOR YOUR CLUB BACK IN THE EARLY EIGHTIES, OR, WELL, NO, WHEN WAS THAT? UH, EARLY NINETIES.
UH, GREAT PLACE, GREAT PEOPLE.
UM, AND, AND YOU KNOW, SUCH ICONIC ACTS AND STUFF THAT YOU'VE HAD THROUGH THERE.
UH, I JUST REALLY ADMIRE YOUR WORK.
SO I GUESS THIS IS KIND OF A FREE FREEFORM FOR YOU TO KIND OF JUST RIGHT.
WE'RE ALL NEW, UH, ON THIS COMMITTEE NOW, SO WE'RE KIND OF STEPPING INTO THIS, UH, YOU KNOW, WITH NOT A LOT OF KNOWLEDGE OTHER THAN MR. UH, SUPERVISOR MARY.
HE'S, YOU KNOW, UH, BEEN AROUND, BUT THE REST OF US ARE NEWER TO THIS.
SO, UM, WE'D REALLY LIKE TO HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS AND, AND JUST ANYTHING YOU WANNA LET US KNOW.
AS I UNDERSTAND, WE'RE REALLY GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE MARKETPLACE FIRST, IS THAT CORRECT, JAMIE? AND THEN MAYBE MORE SPECIFICS OFF CAMERA IN THE OFFICE ON MONDAY.
BUT I MEAN, THE OVERALL MEAN MILWAUKEE IS MILWAUKEE.
I'VE BEEN DOING ENTERTAINMENT HERE SINCE, UH, 68, SO A LONG TIME AND OPENED MY FIRST ENTERTAINMENT CLUB IN MILWAUKEE IN 70, DONE ABOUT 20,000 SHOWS.
AND, UM, I WOULD SAY IT'S, IT'S THE MOST DIFFICULT AND MOST EXPENSIVE IT NOW THAN IT'S EVER BEEN.
AND THE REASON IS OBVIOUSLY LIVE NATION, WHICH IS WHY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS SUING THEM TO BE BROKEN UP BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE ABILITY IN THE ENTERTAINMENT BUSINESS IN GENERAL, BY TYING UP ACTS FOR 30 OR 40 DATES A YEAR, THEY'RE ABLE TO PAY THESE ACTS OVER WHAT THEY'RE WORTH FOR CERTAIN MARKETPLACES BY AMORTIZING ALL THE MONEY FOR THE TOUR OVER 40 SHOWS, AS OPPOSED TO JUST LOOKING AT MILWAUKEE.
AND THEN THEY'RE ABLE TO SCALP TICKETS BECAUSE OF TICKETMASTER AND THEY HAVE LOTS OF SPONSORSHIP MONEY.
AND SO THEIR MODEL ON A BIG NATIONAL BASIS IS NOT MUCH DIFFERENT THAN SUMMER FEST, WHICH HAS OBVIOUSLY BEEN HERE SINCE WHATEVER IT IS.
72, DON'T REMEMBER, ACTUALLY, I PLAYED IT THE FIRST TWO SUMMER FEST IN A BAD, THE UH, UM, SUMMER FEST MODEL IS YOU LOSE MONEY AS A PROMOTER, YOU HAVE CHEAP TICKETS, BUT YOU HAVE 10, 15, SOMETIMES EVEN $18 MILLION WITH SPONSORSHIP MONEY.
AND THEN YOU BASICALLY SPEND ALL YOUR SPONSORSHIP MONEY DOWN TO END UP WITH TWO OR $3 MILLION AT THE END OF THE YEAR AND ACTUAL CASH FLOW FOR THE NEXT YEAR.
NOW THE, UH, MARKETPLACE TODAY COMING OUTTA COVID, OBVIOUSLY COVID STOPPED EVERYTHING AND IT JUST CHANGED THE WHOLE INDUSTRY.
SO WHEN WE MADE THIS AGREEMENT BEFORE COVID, IT WAS ONE WORLD OR DURING COVID, RIGHT? IT DISCUSSED BEFORE AND HAPPENED DURING NOW OR AFTER COVID, AND IT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT WORLD.
22 PEOPLE GOT ABOUT A HALF A YEAR'S WORTH OF BUSINESS IN.
'CAUSE BUSINESS DIDN'T REALLY START TILL ABOUT JULY 1ST OF 22, 23 WAS A BANNER YEAR FOR MOST EVERYBODY IN THE BUSINESS LIVE NATION ON DOWN OUR COMPANY HAD THE BEST YEAR WE EVER HAD.
AND IN 23, IT WAS JUST SPECTACULARLY YOUR PENT UP DEMAND, ALL THE THINGS YOU READ ABOUT IN THE BUSINESS CHANNEL, GOVERNMENT MONEY STILL IN THE SYSTEM.
AND NOW WE'RE IN 24 AND 24 IS BEING EXTREMELY DIFFICULT FOR EVERYBODY.
AND THE FUTURE LOOKS PRETTY TRICKY.
YOU'VE GOT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TRYING TO BREAK UP LIVE NATION AND TICKETMASTER, WHICH THEY'RE BOUND AND DETERMINED TO DO FROM PEOPLE THAT WE'RE TALKING WITH.
AND I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE VERY GOOD FOR THE OVERALL BUSINESS, FOR THE FUTURE, YOUR PROJECT HERE, ANYTHING THAT WOULD GO ON BECAUSE IT WOULD LEVEL THE PLAYING FIELD.
IN OTHER WORDS, BUSINESSES LIKE OURS ARE TOTALLY CAPABLE OF COMPETING
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AGAINST ANOTHER BUSINESS LIKE OURS.BUT YOU CAN'T COMPETE AGAINST THE GOVERNMENT.
AND TICKETMASTER OPERATES SOMEWHAT LIKE THE GOVERNMENT, OR THEY'LL LOSE WHAT, YOU KNOW, MONEY'S NOT REAL TO 'EM.
THEY JUST THROW THE MONEY OUT TO GET THE ACT IN ORDER TO MAKE ALL THE MONEY OFF THE ANCILLARY REVENUES.
SO IT'S JUST NOT A ONE-ON-ONE TYPE OF FAIR FIGHT, WHICH IS WHY THE GOVERNMENT IS GOING AFTER 'EM.
AND I THINK THERE'S, UM, HIGH PROFILE, PRETTY PERSISTENT, UM, ATTACK ON 'EM.
AND THIS IS ALSO THE STATE OF WISCONSIN SIGNED ON TO THE LAWSUIT.
SO THIS IS ALSO ANTITRUST STATE OF WISCONSIN CASES ALSO GOING ON.
SO YOU HAVE THOSE TWO THINGS HAPPENING.
THE FRANK PRODUCTIONS, WHICH IS OUR DIRECT COMPETITOR, IS ACTUALLY A WHOLLY OWNED SUBSIDIARY OF LIVE NATION.
SO THERE IS NO FRANK PRODUCTIONS PER SE, IT'S ACTUALLY LIVE NATION.
AND SO EVERY PLACE THAT WE TURN, WE'RE COMPETING AGAINST LIVE NATION.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE MILWAUKEE, I'M SORRY, LET'S LOOK AT WISCONSIN MARKETPLACE, AND THIS IS THE LIVE NATION TAKEOVER COMING DOWN TO YOUR, YOUR SITUATION HERE IN WASHINGTON COUNTY.
SO LIVE NATION STARTED OFF BUYING ALPINE VALLEY BACK IN WHATEVER IT WAS, 80, 90, LET'S SEE, 2000, WELL IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN 95 OR 96, A PRECURSOR DIVISION TO LIVE NATION GOT THE LEASE AT ALPINE.
IT WAS THE NUMBER ONE THING IN THE COUNTRY DURING THOSE 14 YEARS.
BUT LIKE EVERYTHING, THAT BUSINESS KIND OF STOPPED, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, OUR ANNUITY, THE GRATEFUL DEAD WENT OFF TOURING.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, YOU LOOK AT THE NEXT YEAR AND YOU SAY, I, I LOST MY ANNUITY, NOW WHAT DO I DO? AND THE BIG ACTS WEREN'T TOURING AND IT JUST WAS, WAS TIME TO SWITCH.
AND THAT'S WHEN I SWITCHED TO THE RAVE 91.
'CAUSE THAT'S WHEN THE HOUSE OF BLUES STARTED.
AND THE CLUB BUSINESS WAS JUST BECOMING THE THING AT THAT POINT, AND IT REALLY DIDN'T EXIST BEFORE THAT.
AND SO THEY BOUGHT ALPINE VALLEY AND FIRST DATE THEY LEASED IT IN WHATEVER, LET'S, I'LL PICK A, PICK A DATE, 95.
IT COULD HAVE BEEN THERE SOONER OR LATER.
AND THEN EVENTUALLY THEY PURCHASED THE PROPERTY $8.6 MILLION.
AND IT HAPPENED TO BE THAT WE ONLY INVESTED 9 MILLION IN ALPINE.
'CAUSE AGAIN, THIS WAS OLD DOLLARS IN THE WHOLE CONSTRUCTION BUDGET.
SO BASICALLY THEY PAID, THEY PAID MARKET VALUE FOR THE PROPERTY BACK AT THAT TIME PERIOD.
NEXT THING THEY DID IS THEY WENT TO MADISON AND BOUGHT OUT THE WHOLE FRANKS OPERATION IN MADISON.
AND THEY WENT AND THEY, UH, I'LL GO FAST THROUGH THIS 'CAUSE THAT'S PRETTY COMPLICATED.
BUT THEY WENT AND TOOK OVER ALL THE PROMOTERS IN MADISON, THE ALLIANCE ENERGY CENTER AND BREEZE FIELD, WHICH IS THE BASEBALL STADIUM IN MADISON.
SO THEY BASICALLY, LIVE NATION NOW HAS 95% OF THE BUSINESS IN MADISON.
THEN THEY CAME TO MILWAUKEE AND TICKETMASTER WAS ALREADY THE TICKETING COMPANY AT SUMMERFEST.
AND THEY CAME INTO MILWAUKEE AFTER COVID AND MADE AN EXCLUSIVE TICKETING DEAL WITH SUMMERFEST WHERE NO, UH, PROMOTING DEAL ALONG WITH THE TICKETING DEAL.
SO NOBODY, NO LOCAL PROMOTER LIKE US, UM, A THIRD PARTY PROMOTER LIKE A EG OR GARY WITT AT THE PAP THEATER GROUP CAN GO AND RENT THE STAGES AT SUMMER FEST.
IT IS WHOLLY CONTROLLED, 100% BY LIVE NATION AND PROBABLY ILLEGALLY AGAIN, WHICH IS WHY THE GOVERNMENT WENT AFTER HIM, IS GOING AFTER HIM.
SO THE LAST STEP IN CONTROLLING THE ENTERTAINMENT BUSINESS CONTINUALLY IN THE STATE OF WISCONSIN COMPLETELY, IS TO OPEN UP A FOUR TO 5,000 PERSON PLACE AT THE, ALONG WITH THE BUCKS, WHERE AGAIN, TICKETMASTER IS THE BUCKS TICKETING COMPANY.
SO THEY ALREADY HAVE CONTROL OF THE TICKETING COMPANY.
THEY ALREADY HAVE CONTROL OF THE, UM, ACTS THAT GO INTO THE FISERV BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE NATIONAL CONTRACT WITH THOSE BANDS FOR 40 OR 50 DATES AROUND THE COUNTRY.
AND SO THEY IN ESSENCE, CONTROL THE PFIZER, ALTHOUGH THEY DON'T HAVE A CONTRACT TO CONTROL IT.
NOW, ONCE THEY DO THE 4,500 PERSON PLACE, THE GOAL IS BASICALLY BANKRUPT US AND EVERYBODY IN THE SMALLER CONTRA BUSINESS OF THE STATE.
NOW THE GOVERNMENT'S AFTER 'EM, THE STATE OF WISCONSIN'S AFTER 'EM, WE'RE GONNA DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO FIGHT IT.
BUT THAT'S THE OVERALL BUSINESS.
AND THAT IS THE UM, LIVE NATION FRANKS VENUE THAT KEN ALLUDED TO THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT AT THE FISERV.
THE ORIGINAL CONSTRUCTION COST IS 60 MILLION.
BY THE TIME THEY'RE DONE WITH WHAT THEY'RE DOING, IT'S PROBABLY GONNA END UP 70, $75 MILLION.
I MEAN, RIGHT NOW DOING ANYTHING, I'M DOING A LITTLE AIR CONDITIONING PROJECT AT THE EAGLES CLUB AND I'M SO
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SORRY I EVER DID IT 'CAUSE IT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT RETROFIT AND IT'S LIKE A, BLOWING MY BRAINS OUT IS THE EASIEST WAY TO PUT IT.AND I'M LITERALLY OVER BUDGET BY 45, 50% ONLY BECAUSE YOU NEVER, YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GONNA GET INTO WITH A OLD BUILDING UNTIL YOU GET INTO IT.
SO I CAN'T IMAGINE HOW THE COST OF WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO, ALTHOUGH NEW CONSTRUCTION'S EASIER, IS GOING TO COME.
THEY'RE SAYING 60 MILLION, I CAN'T IMAGINE 70, 75 MILLION.
AND AGAIN, HOW DO YOU EVER MAKE THAT MONEY BACK IN MILWAUKEE? I DON'T ABSOLUTELY SEE HOW THEY COULD EVER DO IT, BUT THEY SAY THEY'RE GOING AHEAD WITH IT.
UM, END OF THE DAY, DO THEY HAVE A BANK LOAN? DO THEY HAVE THE MONEY? WHERE ARE THEY? I HAVE NO IDEA.
POT OTOMY ON THE OTHER HAND, HAS THAT ONE EXTRA ADVANTAGE THAT NONE OF US HAVE, WHICH IS GAMBLING MONEY.
I MEAN $200 A PERSON AVERAGE THAT GOES IN THE AWA ME CASINO LOSE A HUNDRED DOLLARS OF THE $200 ON AVERAGE THEY SPEND ON GAMBLING.
NOW THAT'S FROM THE MILWAUKEE JOURNAL STATISTICS, $950 MILLION OF GAMBLING NET TAKE TO THE TRIBE, $450 MILLION.
AND THEN THE TRIBES GOT THEIR EXPENSES.
SO THAT'S NOT NET NET MONEY TO 'EM.
SO OTTO IS IN THE BEST POSITION TO DO SOMETHING.
AND I'M GONNA SUSPECT THAT THEY ARE BOUND AND DETERMINED BECAUSE THEY ARE LIKE US WHERE THEY HAVE COMPETITION ALL OVER THE PLACE.
DOWNTOWN CHICAGO THING IN KENOSHA.
THEY'RE OPENING MORE PLACES THAN THE WEST SIDE OF THE STATE.
SO I THINK IN THE LONG TERM, THEY'LL BE THE MOST LIKELY TO DO SOMETHING THAT'LL BE AN INDOOR BUILDING THAT WILL BE A UH, UM, BEAUTIFUL.
'CAUSE EVERYTHING THEY DO IS REALLY, THEY SPEND THE MONEY.
AND SO WHAT THAT'S GOING TO MEAN TO EVERYBODY, I HAVE NO IDEA.
NOT QUITE OUR BUSINESS 'CAUSE WE'RE MORE IN THE ONE TO 2000 PERSON KIDS BUSINESS, WHICH THEY ABSOLUTELY ARE NOT INTERESTED IN KIDS.
THEY DON'T GAMBLE AND YOU KNOW, YOU GOTTA BE OVER 21.
AND THEN SECOND OF ALL, WE TEND TO DEAL WITH, AT THE EAGLES CLUB, WE TEND TO DEAL WITH MORE WHAT MILWAUKEE IS.
YOU KNOW, WHERE THE LATIN PROMOTER OR HIP HOP PROMOTER OR A ROCK PROMOTER OR DALP ROCK PROMOTER AND THE UH, UM, IF FIND ARMY BILLS AND LIVE NATION IS BROKEN UP BY THE GOVERNMENT, I THINK WE'LL HAVE A FINE BUSINESS BECAUSE WE CAN EXIST WITH POT LOBOTOMY.
HARD TO EXIST WITH LIVE NATION OPERATING THE WAY THEY'RE OPERATING BECAUSE IT'S JUST A COMPLETE OLD SCHOOL MONOPOLY, TOP TO BOTTOM CONTROL.
EVERYTHING IN THE, EVERY ASPECT OF THE ENTERTAIN CAREERS.
SO NOW YOU HAVE WASHINGTON COUNTY AND, AND A LOT OF IT HAS TO DO WITH WHAT YOU VIEW COUNTY GOVERNMENT'S ROLE IS IN BRINGING BUSINESS TO THE COUNTY.
AND IS IT THE RIGHT DECISION? AND I'M NOT ADVOCATING, I'M JUST TALKING ADVOCATING ANYTHING.
IS IT THE RIGHT DECISION TO SPEND $20 MILLION, I'M PICKING THE NUMBER OUT OF THE SKY, BUT IT'S A REALISTIC NUMBER, $20 MILLION AND IT'S LET'S SAY 10 TO 20 TO BUILD, UPDATE WHAT'S GOING ON AT THE SILVER LINING AMPHITHEATER WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT MAYBE AT THE END OF THE DAY THERE'S ENOUGH NOT ENOUGH MONEY COMING IN TO COVER THE BOND ISSUE OR WHATEVER IT WOULD TAKE TO DO THAT IN ORDER TO GET ENOUGH TRAFFIC IN BUSINESS TO ALL THE WASHINGTON COUNTY BUSINESSES.
'CAUSE IT WILL DEFINITELY INCREASE BUSINESS IN WASHINGTON COUNTY FOR THE HOTELS.
OR IT'LL MAYBE INCREASE HOTEL BUSINESS.
IT WOULD CERTAINLY BOOM, THE RESTAURANT BUSINESS GETTING PEOPLE IN THE DOWNTOWN WEST BEND.
AND IT, UM, ON CONCERT DAYS, I WOULD ASSUME WEST BEND WOULD JUST BE RIDICULOUS.
LIKE, UM, LAKE GENEVA IS EVERY ALPINE SHOW.
I MEAN, EVERY ALPINE SHOW AT LAKE GENEVA IN THE EIGHTIES THEY WERE, THE HOTELS WERE BOOKING.
YOU HAD TO HAVE A THREE DAY STAY NO MATTER HOW LONG YOU STAYED.
HAD A RIDICULOUS, I MEAN IT WAS LIKE $400 A NIGHT PER ROOM BACK IN THE EIGHTIES.
SO I CAN'T EVEN GUESS WHAT THAT WOULD BE RIGHT NOW.
'CAUSE THE ROOMS WERE AT SUCH A PREMIUM.
AND WHEN WE STOPPED DOING THAT IN 91, BY 95, 96, EVERY HOTEL IN LAKE GENEVA WENT BANKRUPT.
THE GRAND GENEVA GOT SOLD TO MARCUS.
AND IF YOU GO BACK AND LOOK THROUGH THE RECORDS, EVERYBODY WENT BANKRUPT BECAUSE THEY LOST ALL THAT GIANT SUMMER BUSINESS.
SO, UM, WALWAY COUNTY BACK THEN MADE THE DETERMINATION THAT THAT WASN'T IN THEIR BEST INTEREST.
IT WAS JUST TOO BIG, TOO MUCH TO EVERYTHING.
AND UM, AS A RESULT, THEY ENDED UP WITH NOTHING FOR A LONG TIME, WHICH CAUSED EVERYBODY TO LOT OF BUSINESS.
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TO BE A DIFFERENT BUSINESS AND WHICH IS, I HAVEN'T BEEN DOWN A LONG TIME, BUT I ASSUME JUST FINE FOR 'EM AND ALL THINGS ARE GOOD AND ALL THE THINGS ARE FLOURISHING, I BELIEVE BECAUSE CHICAGO'S MOVING NORTH.SO THEY GET INTO CHICAGO BUSINESS FOR WASHINGTON COUNTY.
I MEAN, REALISTICALLY YOU'RE AT A STATIC MARKETPLACE, WHICH MILWAUKEE'S THE WHOLE METRO IS LITERALLY NOT GROWING.
OR IF IT'S GROWING IT'S 1% AND IT'S BECOMING MORE, UM, MORE ETHNIC BASICALLY, WHICH FOR OUR BUSINESS IS GREAT 'CAUSE THAT'S THE BUSINESS THAT WE'RE IN, WHETHER FOR WASHINGTON COUNTY OVER TIME, THAT'S GOOD OR NOT.
I'VE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S UM, YOUR JUDGMENT.
I THINK IT'S A BIG LATIN BUSINESS THAT'S NOT BEING SERVICED AND IT'S GETTING BIGGER AND BIGGER EVERY DAY.
IT'S WITH THE LARGEST LATIN PROMOTER IN WISCONSIN, IT'S A BIG PART OF OUR BUSINESS.
UM, I HAVE TO HAVE LATIN SPEAK SPANISH SPEAKING EMPLOYEES AND WE HAVE A LATIN WEBSITE L EAGLES.COM AND WE'RE WAY INTO THE BUSINESS.
I MEAN, SO, SO THAT'S AVAILABLE.
BUT OVERALL YOU HAVE A STATIC MARKETPLACE WITH COMPETITION.
UM, FROM THE LEFT AND FROM THE RIGHT YOU HAVE, UH, A MARKETPLACE FROM A FACILITY STANDPOINT THAT IS MISSING A 10,000 PERSON OUTDOOR MUSIC FACILITY.
IN OTHER WORDS, IT'S BIGGER THAN WHAT THE SERVICE AT SUMMERFEST, BUT IT'S SMALLER THAN THE PHI SERVE AND THE UH, UM, AMERICAN FAMILY AMPHITHEATER, I GUESS THEY CALL IT NOW AND COUNTY STADIUM, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S SMALLER THAN THE BIG ONES.
AND THESE TYPES OF FACILITIES FLOURISH ALL AROUND THE COUNTRY BECAUSE THERE IS A NEED FOR THAT SIZE FACILITY, WHICH IS PERFECT FOR THE UM, SPACE YOU HAVE THERE.
YOU CAN PARK THE CARS, YOU NEED NO EXTRA SPACE FOR PARKING.
YOU HAVE ACCESS IN AND OFF OF THE EXPRESSWAY.
AND IF YOU HAVE 10,000 PEOPLE AT AN EVENT, YOU PROBABLY HAVE 3000 CARS, 3,200 CARS, WHICH YOU CAN SERVICE EASILY.
AND THE UM, UM, THERE WAS A NEED FOR THAT IN THE MARKETPLACE.
THERE'S ALSO A NEED IN THE MARKETPLACE BECAUSE SUMMERFEST HAS TOTALLY BOXED THEMSELVES IN A CORNER.
THEY'VE SPENT $300 MILLION ON PERMANENT FACILITIES.
THAT MEANS THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING FLEXIBLE.
IN OTHER WORDS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT COUNTRY FESTIVAL THIS WEEK, COUNTRY THUNDER COULD NEVER PLAY SUMMER FEST BECAUSE IT'S, FIRST OF ALL IT'D BE TOO EXPENSIVE.
AND THEN SECOND OF ALL, FROM AN OPERATION STANDPOINT, AND SECOND OF ALL, BECAUSE EVERYTHING'S FIXED AND TO GET THE CROWD TO MOVE AROUND CORRECTLY FOR THAT, THE PROMOTER AT THE END OF THE DAY WOULD NOT MAKE A NICKEL.
SO HE GOES OUT AND GOT HIS LAND OUT THERE THAT HE PROBABLY PURCHASED, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MUCH ABOUT.
IT PUT UP ALL TEMPORARY FACILITIES, DID HIS BIG FESTIVAL AND HE'S VERY SUCCESSFUL AT IT HERE IN OTHER PLACES IN THE COUNTRY.
AND MILWAUKEE DOES NOT HAVE THAT.
AND MILWAUKEE DOES NOT HAVE A 10,000 PERSON OUTDOOR RAVINIA TYPE FESTIVAL FOR WANT OF A BETTER, AND OR LIKE THE, THE FACILITY IN DOWNTOWN CHICAGO, THE UH, I DUNNO WHAT THEY CALL IT NOW, BUT THE ONES WHERE MEG'S FIELD USED TO BE DOWNTOWN CHICAGO NEXT TO THE PISCO PAVILION DOWN THERE AND EVERYTHING THAT THEY DID, THERE IS A NEED FOR THAT IN MILWAUKEE.
AND SUMMERFEST CAN'T DO IT BECAUSE THEY'RE LANDLOCKED, THEY'RE BOXED IN AND THEY HAVE TO TEAR THINGS DOWN.
THEIR 5,000 PERSON PLACE IS FLAT.
SO THE SIX, ONCE YOU GET TO 6,000 PEOPLE, 6,200 PEOPLE, THE LAST 200 PEOPLE CAN'T SEE A THING.
YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE SHOW ON THE SCREENS, THEY CAN'T CHANGE WHAT IT IS AND THEY'RE BOXED IN.
SO FROM WASHINGTON COUNTY'S PERSPECTIVE, IF I TAKE A 10 YEAR HORIZON, THERE'S A VIEW, THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT IS THAT'S TAKING INVESTMENT.
AND I CANNOT SIT AND TELL YOU THAT YOU'RE GONNA GET A RETURN ON YOUR INVESTMENT.
YOU MAY LOSE MONEY ON YOUR INVESTMENT EVERY YEAR.
I CAN TELL YOU, YOU WOULD'VE VERY HAPPY BUSINESSES IN WEST BEND AND AROUND, UP AND DOWN.
I MEAN YOUR CULVERS WOULD BE RIDICULOUSLY BUSY ON CERTAIN DAYS COMING OFF THE EXPRESSWAY.
THAT WOULD BE POSITIVE AND IT WOULD FOCUS THE NAME WASHINGTON COUNTY NAME SILVER LINING AMPHITHEATER AS THE CASE MAY BE.
YOU WOULD JUST GET MILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF EXTRA ADVERTISING.
I MEAN NOT, NOT DIFFERENT THAN THE RNC.
THE RNC FOR MILWAUKEE BUSINESSES HAS TURNED OUT TO BE A GIANT LOSER.
I MEAN, FOR THE DNCI HAD FOUR BIG EVENTS AT THE EAGLES CLUB.
AND IT'S NOT JUST US, IT'S EVERY OTHER SMALL LOCAL BUSINESS LIKE US.
IT WAS JUST THE BIG BOYS GETTING THE MONEY FOR THE BIG BOYS.
AND MAYBE THAT WAS SMART, MAYBE IT WAS BECAUSE OF SECURITY, I DON'T KNOW.
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SITUATION WHERE THE, THE RNC AS GRATEFUL VISITING NATIONALLY FOR THE CITY OF MILWAUKEE.SO MAYBE THEY CAN JUSTIFY THAT THAT'S THE UH, UM, A GREAT THING FOR THE CITY.
UM, BUT FROM A LOCAL BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY STANDPOINT, IT'S BEEN TERRIBLE.
AND SO SOME PEOPLE INSIDE THE ZONE DID, OKAY, IF YOU'RE OUTSIDE THE ZONE, NOT ONLY ARE YOU NOT GET YOUR NORMAL BUSINESS, BUT I GO TO A PLACE FOR LUNCH EVERY DAY AND A HALF FOR LIKE ABOUT 10 YEARS, ORDER MY LUNCH.
I CALLED UP ON TUESDAY AND THEY SAID, NOBODY IN THE RESTAURANT AND YOU'RE THE ONLY CUSTOMER THAT'S ORDERED LUNCH AND IT'S ONE OF THE MOST POPULAR PLACES IN DOWNTOWN.
AND SO, UM, THAT IS A CASE WHERE MILWAUKEE DECIDED THEY WOULD SPEND, OR THE RNC $85 MILLION, I THINK IS WHAT THEY SPENT.
THEY RAISED FOR THE THING, IF I RECALL, IT'S IN THE PAPER, WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS.
AND THE, UH, THEY DETERMINED THAT IT WAS WORTH DOING THAT FOR THE PUBLICITY FOR THE CITY OF MILWAUKEE.
AND I THINK THAT IT'S THEIR, YOU KNOW, IT'S UP TO THEM.
IS IT A GOOD ID? IS IT A, WAS IT A GOOD DECISION OR NOT A GOOD DECISION? GOOD DECISION.
I KNOW THAT PEOPLE LIKE US GOT ACED OUT IF YOU DID MUSIC AT WASHINGTON COUNTY AND IF YOU THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS THE RIGHT THING, I WOULD SAY YOUR LOCAL BUSINESSES WOULD NOT ONLY KNOCK IT LATE, LEASE OUT, THEY WOULD THRIVE AND YOU'D PROBABLY HAVE SOME MORE LOCAL BUSINESSES.
SO IN THE BIG PICTURE, IT'S JUST A QUESTION OF WHAT IS THE FUNCTION OF YOUR, OF GOVERNMENT IN WASHINGTON COUNTY AND YOU THINK IT'S WORTH AN INVESTMENT IN THE GROUNDS TO TRY AND GET EXTRA BUSINESS HERE PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND WHERE IT IS.
AND IT'S, EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE A SUBURB OF MILWAUKEE, IN MY MIND, I LIVE IN WAN, I MEAN TO ME IT'S, YOU'RE NOT ANY DIFFERENT THAN YOU'RE WAN WEST, SO TO SPEAK TO PEOPLE FROM OUTSIDE THE CITY.
YOU'RE NOT IN THE CITY WHEN I'VE TRIED TO BRING, BRING THE FACILITY TO PEOPLE'S ATTENTION AND YOU'RE JUST NOT IN THE CITY.
AND AT ONE TIME THAT WAS A NEGATIVE, MAYBE NOT SO MUCH A NEGATIVE ANYMORE JUST BECAUSE AGAIN, THE CHANGE OF THE WHOLE, UM, SOCIAL CLIMATE OUT THERE WHERE BEING IN THE CITY IS NOT AS GREAT AS IT USED TO BE AS A BUSINESS OWNER.
BUT IT IS WAY BETTER THAN IT WAS 20 YEARS AGO.
BUT THE UH, UM, AND AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE ARE WITH THE PROJECT AND I CAN'T, I DON'T WANNA BE THE GUY TO TELL YOU WHAT TO DO.
I CAN JUST GIVE YOU MY HONEST OPINION ON WHY, YOU KNOW, IF PEOPLE WOULD ASK ME SHOULD WE DO THIS AND THIS WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN, I CAN GIVE YOU MY OPINION, UH, AN EDUCATED OPINION ON WHAT I THINK WILL HAPPEN IN MY SPECIFIC LITTLE IN INDUSTRY PART OF THE PICTURE.
AND SO THAT'S KINDA HOW I SEE THE WHOLE THING.
STILL THERE MIGHT EVEN BE BETTER THAN IT WAS BEFORE.
IT IS A TERRIBLE YEAR FOR OUTSIDE CONCERTS THIS YEAR.
I MEAN, LAST WEEKEND IF, YOU KNOW, SUMMER FEST GOT WHACKED, THAT'S OBVIOUSLY IN THE PAPER.
MY FRIEND DOES THE BIGGEST COUNTRY FESTIVAL IN CHICAGO.
HE LOST SATURDAY AND SUNDAY LAST WEEK.
PROBABLY LOST MONEY ON THE FESTIVAL FOR THE, THE FIRST TIME IN THE LAST 10 YEARS.
THE SHOW AT ALPINE LAST SATURDAY GOT POSTPONED AND CANCELED.
I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT HAP I WAS IN CHICAGO LOOKING AT WITH THE, SO, UM, WITH THE BROTHERS OSBORNE IN DOWNTOWN CHICAGO AT THE SALT SHED THREE WEEKS AGO ON SATURDAY.
AND DRIVING BACK WAS WHEN THAT TORNADO WAS COMING.
AND THE SHOW WAS AT SUMMER FEST THAT GOT, UM, MOTI CREW, I THINK IT WAS GOT HELD OVER AND MAYBE PLAYED.
I THINK DAVE MATTHEWS AT ALPINE.
I DUNNO WHETHER IT PLAYED OR NOT.
I KNOW THAT THE, UH, TEQUILA AND TACOS FESTIVAL AT THE BASEBALL PARK IN FRANKLIN GOT CANCELED COMPLETELY AND CUSTOMERS ARE LIKE OUT OF THEIR MIND 'CAUSE THEY DIDN'T GET REFUNDS AND THEY'RE NOT GIVEN REFUNDS AND IT WAS, SO THAT WAS THREE WEEKS.
SO THAT WAS A TERRIBLE SATURDAY NIGHT.
SO I MEAN, THIS HAS LIKE NOT BEEN A GOOD SUMMER FOR OUTDOOR CONCERTS.
SOME PEOPLE SAY IT'S BECAUSE OF CLIMATE CHANGE.
UM, WHETHER IT IS OR ISN'T, I DON'T KNOW, BUT IT'S DEFINITELY HOTTER AND IT'S DEFINITELY RAINIER AND IT'S DEFINITELY THE RAIN HIT ON THE WEEKENDS.
AND SO IT'S BEEN A VERY BAD YEAR FOR BUSINESS AS SUMMER FEST COMPLAINED IN THE, IN THE PAPER.
UM, BUT THAT SEASON, YOU KNOW, THAT VARIES YEAR BY YEAR.
AND SO YOU JUST DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT IS.
BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT THE, UH, OUR INDUSTRY, A LOT'S GONNA BE DETERMINED BY WHAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DOES WITH LIVE NATION.
IF THEY BREAK THEM UP, IT IS GOING TO BE AN EVEN PLAYING FIELD FOR EVERYBODY, WHICH WILL MAKE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR WHAT PROPOSING FOR WASHINGTON COUNTY WHAT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT, GREATER OPPORTUNITY TO PROSPER BECAUSE THESE ACTS CAN'T BE TIED DOWN, LOCKED IN AT UNFAIR PRICES.
SO IT BECOMES OPEN COMPETITION AND ON OPEN COMPETITION THEN IT'S JUST HAVING A PRETTY,
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YOU KNOW, KINDA LIKE WE'VE DONE AT THE RAVE, AT THE RAVE.I JUST KEEP TRYING TO MAKE IT UNIQUE, INTERESTING CUSTOMER FRIENDLY, YOU KNOW, GIVE THE CUSTOMER WHAT THEY WANT AT THE RIGHT PRICE, HAVE A PLACE THAT THEY WANT TO GO TO SO THAT IT'S NOT JUST, IT'S AN EXPERIENCE, IT'S NOT JUST THE CONCERT.
AND SO I THINK THAT THAT'S THE WAVE'S EDGE, WHICH IS WHY WE, WE STILL HAVE BEEN DOING WELL AND ACTUALLY KEEP DOING BETTER AND BETTER.
ALTHOUGH FOR 24 I, YOU KNOW, I I IT'S IS BEEN OKAY UP TILL NOW, BUT I DON'T SEE THE LAST HALF OF 24 BEING SO GOOD.
BUT I THINK IF WASHINGTON COUNTY CAN CREATE A MORE LIKE NIA UNIQUE EXPERIENCE THAT IS PRETTY, TAKE THOSE TWO PONDS AND MAKE THOSE TWO PONDS REAL PONDS INSTEAD OF RETENTION PONDS AND SOME PRETTY WALKWAYS AROUND IT AND JUST MAYBE MAKE THAT THE FEATURE OF THE PLACE.
I MEAN THERE'S ALL, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU DREAM, THERE'S ALL KINDS OF THINGS YOU CAN DREAM WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE TO SPEND THE MONEY AND THEN, AND THEN IT COMES BACK DOWN TO REALITY, WHICH IS WHAT KEN SAID.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THE COM COMMITTEE HAS TIME TO ASK QUESTIONS OF MR. GER.
HE HAS ANY, AND THEN ALSO NOTE THAT AGAIN, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS IF ANY OF OUR BOARD MEMBER OR LAND AND PLANNING COMMITTEE MEMBERS HAVE COMMENTS GOING INTO KIND OF OUR DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT TO DO, UM, GOING FORWARD WITH THE COUNTY'S CURRENT CONTRACT AND HOW WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING.
WE'RE GONNA BE DISCUSSING THAT.
UM, MS. LU, UH, CHAIR RECOGNIZES CAROL MARY, SUPERVISOR CAROL MARY.
ALSO REMINDER, PLEASE STAY ON THE AGENDA TOPIC, WHICH IS THE SILVER LINING AMPHITHEATER DISCUSSION.
UH, THANK YOU JOE, UH, HAD A DISCUSSION.
THERE WAS A GROUP, WAS THIS LAST LESS SPRING NOW? RIGHT? UM, YOU MENTIONED THEN THAT YOU GOT SOMETHING LIKE THE POT TMY THAT THAT'S GREAT FOR INDOOR FOR THEM, THAT THEY, THEY MAY NEED SOME KIND OF AN OUTDOOR FACILITY IF THEIR RELATIONSHIP THERE.
BUT YOU ALSO MADE THE COMMENT THAT THE CURRENT FACILITY THAT WE HAVE, THE, AT THE THEATER, UH, FOR THE LAY PERSON, IT LOOKS FABULOUS, BUT YOU GET UP ONTO IT ON THE STAGE FOR A PROFESSIONAL GROUP TO COME IN.
IT'S NOT STRUCTURED TO HANG THE SOUND SYSTEMS AND THE LIGHTING, I BELIEVE YOU SAID THAT IT, IT'S, IT IS NOT, IT'S NOT LOAD BEARING ENOUGH TO PICK UP THE WEIGHT OF WHAT A BIGGER GROUP WOULD WANT TO HAVE IN TERMS OF LIGHT, SOUND, PYROTECHNICS AND SO ON.
UH, AND SO THAT IN ITSELF, TO TRY TO GET INTO THAT LEVEL OF ENTERTAINMENT IS GONNA REQUIRE WHAT A REBUILDING OF THAT ENTIRE STRUCTURE OR A MAJOR MODIFICATION.
THAT'S A RE IT'S A RE REBUILD THE GREEN ROOMS, THE WASHROOM, RIGHT.
IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT POT OTOMY DID FOR THEIR LITTLE OUTDOOR SUMMER STAGE, THAT'S CALLED THE SAM FOUR 50 STAGE AND IT, I LOOKED IN THE, IT'S, IT'S A RENTAL STAGE AND THAT WILL FLY 80,000 POUNDS WORTH OF LIGHTS, MAYBE 90,000 OR AT YOUR FACILITY RIGHT THERE.
RIGHT NOW IF YOU DO 22,000 POUNDS, IT'S GONNA BE TOUGH.
LIKE AT THE EAGLES CLUB, I HAD TO FIX THE STEEL UP FOR MY TO FLY 60,000 POUNDS.
SO AT THE EAGLES CLUB I CAN DO 60,000.
UM, THAT OUTDOOR STUFF, IT USE MORE OUTDOORS THAN INDOORS OBVIOUSLY.
SO IT'S I'D TO TEAR DOWN AND PUT SOMETHING BRAND NEW WOULD BE MY OPINION, UNLESS YOU GO REAL SMALL AND JUST UM, JUST DO THOUSAND PERSON LITTLE THINGS AND LITTLE LOCAL EVENTS, THINGS THAT YOU PROBABLY DO.
NOW AT THE SIDE STAGE OF THE FAIR TYPE OF A THING, WHAT IS THE INDUSTRY SAYING REGARDING, UH, THE LIVE NATION TICKETMASTER SPLIT UP? I MEAN, IS THIS SOMETHING YOU THINK IS GONNA HAPPEN? ARE THE TIMELINES BEING ANTICIPATED? WELL, IT, THE MAJORITY OF THE MAJOR PLAYERS IN THE INDUSTRY ARE JUST DOING EVERYTHING THEY CAN TO GET THE SPLIT HAPPENING.
IT'S THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND IT JUST TAKES TIME.
I THINK THE APPETITE IN WASHINGTON, FROM WHAT I'VE UNDERSTAND IS THAT IT'S JUST THAT TIME, IT'S TIME TO SPLIT IT UP.
NEVER SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED IN THE FIRST PLACE.
IT WAS POLITICAL HOW THEY GOT IT THROUGH BECAUSE OF THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION AND ARI EMMANUEL AND ENTERTAINMENT PEOPLE, ENTERTAINMENT PEOPLE THAT PUT IT TOGETHER.
AND IT'S, IT'S ALL PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE AS YOU CAN, YOU CAN LOOK IT UP.
AND SO THEY WERE ABLE TO GET IT THROUGH AT A TIME AND, AND NOT GO, UM, NOT GIVE IT THE SCRUTINY IT SHOULD HAVE HAD.
NOW IT HAS THE SCRUTINY THAT IT SHOULD HAVE HAD, BUT I HAVE NO IDEA IF IT'S GONNA HAPPEN OR NOT.
I WANT IT TO HAPPEN AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO THE INDUSTRY TO HAVE IT HAPPEN.
UM, BUT IT'S REALLY UP TO THE GOVERNMENT.
I MEAN, IN THE STATE OF WISCONSIN.
UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, BRIAN?
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OKAY.UM, WELL I GUESS IF I COULD JUST PUT A CAPPER ON IT.
FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT.
UH, SORRY FOR TALKING SO LONG.
SHOULD
I MEAN, HONESTLY, I I COULD LISTEN TO YOU
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, PLACES THAT HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR MANY YEARS ARE GONE.
RIGHT? AND SO IT, IT, I DO UNDERSTAND AT LEAST THAT PORTION OF IT.
UM, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO, TO TRYING TO WORK OUT SOMETHING, UH, FOR OUR STAGE.
I MEAN, IT IS SUCH A NICE LITTLE STAGE IN A NICE AREA AND THERE'S SO MUCH POTENTIAL THERE.
UH, OR MAYBE WE CAN FIGURE OUT, LIKE YOU WERE SAYING, SOMETHING A LITTLE SMALLER SCALE OR SOMETHING.
YOU KNOW, I, I JUST FEEL LIKE, UH, WE'RE UNDERUTILIZING A VERY NICE GIFT THAT WAS GIVEN TO US, UH, BY, UH, WEST BEND MUTUAL INSURANCE.
UH, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY DONATED THAT AND, AND IT WAS SUCH A NICE GIFT AND, AND WE REALLY WANT TO MAKE THE MOST OF IT WE POSSIBLY CAN.
SO WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU, UM, AND SENDING OUR DELEGATION OVER TO YOU.
YOU OKAY? AND, AND AND, UH, WORKING THAT OUT.
AND ONCE AGAIN, I THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT.
I KNOW IT'S NOT EASY TO CALL ALL THE UP.
I, I'VE BEEN TO MANY TIMES AND THAT'S A DREAM TO ACHIEVE.
IT'S WHAT? IT'S A DREAM TO ACHIEVE IT.
NO, IT'S, IT IS, IT IS VERY BEAUTIFUL.
SO WITH THAT, I ENCOURAGE YOU TO SHARE ANY COMMENTS WITH, UM, SUPERVISOR KEN ICK, THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE, MYSELF OR THE CHIEF OF STAFF PRIOR TO MONDAY.
UH, RESPONSE FROM UW EXTENSION DEAN CARL MARTIN.
[d. Response from UW Extension Dean Karl Martin – Dean and Director of University of Wisconsin-Madison Division of Extension]
UM, THIS IS JUST AN FYI FOR THE COMMITTEE.WE HAD SENT THE LETTER TO THEM.
JOSH DID, WE DID LIBERATED ABOUT THAT.
UH, THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE DID AT THE LAST MEETING.
THIS IS THE RESPONSE THAT WAS RECEIVED.
AND THERE IS CURRENTLY A SCHEDULING REQUEST FROM THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE TO DEAN CARL MARTIN TO MEET.
ANY, UH, QUESTIONS ON THAT FOR MS. LUDWIG? OKAY.
UM, YEAH, I GUESS THAT'S, IT'S KIND OF SELF-EXPLANATORY,
WELL THEN WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE RESOLUTION, UH, GRANT APPLICATION FUNDING FOR
[e. 2024 Resolution: Grant Application – Funding for Glacier Hills Lakefront Development Project]
GLACIER HILLS LAKEFRONT DEVELOPMENT.UH, SO THIS IS AN APPLICATION, ONE OF PROBABLY QUITE A FEW THAT WE MIGHT SEE.
UM, SO FIRST OF ALL, I'LL TAKE A MOTION AND A SECOND MOTION BY SUPERVISOR CONRAD.
SECOND BY SUPERVISOR MARY AND JAMIE, YOU WANT TO JUST GIVE US A QUICK, UM, SURE, I WILL.
SO WE DID TAKE A LOOK AT THIS PROJECT ON THE TOUR WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT SORT OF WHAT THIS WAS WOULD BE COMING.
SO THIS IS THE RESOLUTION THAT WOULD AUTHORIZE THE STAFF TO APPLY FOR A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT GRANTS UTILIZING THE FUNDING THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY ALLOCATED BY THE BOARD $250,000 IN THE PARKS ENTERPRISE DONATION, AS WELL AS THE ENDOWMENT COMMITTEE HAS, UM, VERBALLY AND AT THEIR LAST MEETING MADE A MOTION TO COMMIT UP TO AN ADDITIONAL $200,000 IF NEEDED TO MATCH, UM, IN PURSUIT OF WHAT WOULD BE TOTAL PROJECT FUNDING OF ONE ROUGHLY $1.2 MILLION.
SO WE HAVE NOT REFINED THAT NUMBER ANY FURTHER BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT AUTHORIZED THE NEXT STAGE OF SORT OF DESIGN WORK.
WE ONLY WENT TO A 30% CONCEPT PLAN TO GET BUDGET NUMBERS.
UM, WITHOUT HAVING FUNDING FOR THE PROJECT SECURED, WE WOULDN'T WANT TO DO THAT WORK.
SO THIS IS SORT OF THE NEXT STEP.
SOME OF THESE APPLICATIONS ARE DUE IN THE FALL, UM, AND WE CAN ANSWER ANY LOGAN BLISS, OUR PARKS AND TRAILS MANAGER IS HERE AS WELL, AND WE CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE ABOUT THIS.
ANY, UH, QUESTIONS FOR JAMIE ON THIS PARTICULAR, UH, WELL THIS IS JUST THE, THE GRANT APPLICATION, CORRECT? CORRECT.
SO THE WAY THAT THE COUNTY POLICY WORKS IS THAT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE, UM, THE GRANT IN THE AUTHORIZED BUDGET TO ACCEPT FUNDS, ANYTIME THOSE PROJECT FUNDS ARE OVER $50,000 THAT WE'D BE RECEIVING, UM, AND THEN EVENTUALLY SPENDING, RIGHT? SO WE'D BE TAKING IN THE MONEY AND THEN
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SPENDING THE PROJECT.WE HAVE TO SEEK APPROVAL PRI FOR, UM, ACCEPTING THOSE FUNDS.
SO THIS RESOLUTION WOULD ACTUALLY DO BOTH.
IT WOULD ACTUALLY, UM, AUTHORIZE US TO APPLY FOR GRANTS WITHIN THE PARKS ENTERPRISE, ASSUMING THAT NO TAX LEVY IS USED, UM, FOR THIS PROJECT.
AND THEN IT WOULD ALSO AMEND THE BUDGET, UM, TO EXPEND AND, AND USE THE FUNDS FOR THAT PURPOSE.
UH, ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. LUDWIG ON THIS? ALL RIGHT.
UM, WELL, SO THIS WOULD BE AUTHORIZATION FOR THE USE OF, UH, UH, OUR, FOR, FOR THE DEPARTMENT TO, UH, TO APPLY FOR THIS GRANT.
UM, AND WE DO EXPECT TO SEE A FEW OTHER POSSIBLE GRANTS COMING DOWN IN THIS PROJECT.
WELL, IF YOU, IF YOU READ THE PACKET AND YOU READ THE READ THE, OR, OR SORRY, THE RE PROPOSED RESOLUTION, IT ACTUALLY AUTHORIZES US IN THIS ONE RESOLUTION TO APPLY FOR MULTIPLE DIFFERENT GRANTS.
SO THIS PROJECT, UM, KIND OF HITS A DIFFERENT, A FEW DIFFERENT BUCKETS.
UM, STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE, RECREATIONAL BOATING AND SWIMMING ACCESS, LAKE ACCESS AND PARK DEVELOPMENT TYPE AREAS.
UM, SO WE WOULD BE LOOKING TO WORK WITH, UH, LIKELY A CONSULTANT TO KIND OF WORK ON HOW TO MAXIMIZE THE APPLICATIONS AND TRY TO ATTEMPT TO FULLY FUND THIS PROJECT.
THAT MAKES ACTUALLY MORE SENSE TO ME 'CAUSE I, I SAW THAT, BUT I WASN'T SURE IF WE WERE DOING THIS ON AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS ON THE GRANTS, BUT BASICALLY THEY'RE ALL GONNA BE TIED INTO THIS RESOLUTION, RIGHT? SO SOME OF THEM ARE LESS SO, AND WE, THERE MIGHT BE SAY A $25,000 GRANT FOR FISHING WITH THAT WE WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR.
SOME ARE MORE, SOME HAVE HIGHER MATCH PERCENTAGES THAN OTHERS.
BUT, SO AS THIS IS BASICALLY SAYING AS LONG AS WE HAVE THAT MATCH MONEY AVAILABLE WITHIN THAT $450,000, COLLECTIVELY, WE WOULD BE AUTHORIZED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THOSE APPLICATIONS.
SO SEEING AS WE'VE EXHAUSTED OUR COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS, UH, ALL SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
OPPOSED? HEARING NONE, I'LL CONSIDER THE RESOLUTION PASSED.
AND THAT BRINGS US TO THE END OF BUSINESS.
UH, OUR NEXT MEETING DATE IS THURSDAY, AUGUST 15TH AT 4:30 PM RIGHT HERE.
UH, I DID FAIL TO MENTION WE WERE SHORT, TINA PRIDE MORE TONIGHT.
UM, SHE'S DOWN, UH, VOLUNTEERING AT THE R, R AND C, UH, SO THAT'S REALLY EXCITING STUFF.
UM, AND SO SHE'S EXCUSED FOR THAT.