* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. ALL SET. ARE YOU GUYS ALL [00:00:01] SET? WE'RE SET. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL BRING THIS, UH, DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS COMMITTEE MEETING TO ORDER. UM, WELL, EVERYBODY'S HERE AND THIS MEETING WAS POSTED AS REQUIRED BY STATE LAW. WE'LL STAND FOR A MOMENT OF SILENT PRAYER AND PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE PLAY OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE SPRAWL. THANK YOU ALL FOR TRUDGING THROUGH THE SNOW TO GET HERE TODAY. UH, CAN YOU HAND THIS TO BOB, PLEASE? YES, I CAN. UM, OKAY. FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE MEETING MINUTES. DID ANYBODY REVIEW ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CHANGES, SCENE NONE. WE'LL APPROVE THEM AS NOTED. UH, DISCUSSION OR POSSIBLE ACTION ITEM, A TRANSIT RIDERSHIP REPORT. HOW ARE YOU DOING TODAY? GOOD, JOHN. I'M DOING GREAT. HOW ARE YOU? GOOD, GOOD. HEY, AND RIDERSHIP'S UP? YEP. ALL RIGHT. LET'S SEE. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE REPORT? [a. Transit Ridership Report] ANYBODY? ANY QUESTIONS? I'M HAPPY TO SEE THAT IT TICKED UP A BIT. MAYBE IT'S THE HOLIDAY SEASON TRAVELS, HUH? UM, OKAY. SEEING, I GUESS WE DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR YOU THIS TIME. OKAY. JUST HAPPY TO SEE IT GO UP. SAME HERE. THANK YOU. UH, MOVE ON TO ACTION ITEM B, UH, DISCUSSION AND ACTION ITEM FACILITIES QUARTERLY REPORTS. HELLO, KARA. HI, HOW ARE YOU? I'M GOOD. YOURSELF? GOOD. I'M GOOD. UM, SO, UH, SO I'M JUST GONNA POINT OUT A COUPLE OF THINGS HERE ON THIS REPORT. SO, UM, ON OUR FIRST PAGE [b. Facilities Quarterly Report] HERE, OUR, UH, CHANGE MANAGEMENT PROGRAM, WHICH IS REALLY, UH, WHAT WE'RE CALLING OUR COMMUNICATION PROGRAM WITH THE, UH, EMPLOYEES IN THE BUILDINGS. UM, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON MAKING SOME CHANGES TO BE CONSISTENT IN HOW WE'RE COMMUNICATING EMERGENCIES, PROJECTS, AND JUST GENERAL ROUTINE UPDATES, WHICH WE HAVE TO DO QUITE A BIT. UM, AND, UH, WE'RE, WE'VE, WE'VE NARROWED DOWN KIND OF THE FORMATS THAT WE'RE GONNA BE USING GOING FORWARD, AND WE'RE JUST IN THE DOCUMENTATION, UH, STAGE OF THAT NOW. UM, SO THAT'S SCHEDULED TO END BY THE END OF THE YEAR, AND I DON'T ANTICIPATE THAT THERE'S GONNA BE ANY CHALLENGES WITH THAT. UM, OUR, UH, UH, THE NEXT TOPIC IS STILL, UM, UNDER CONSIDERATION THAT, UH, HAS, I DON'T HAVE ANY SPECIFIC UPDATES ON THE, UH, IMPROVEMENT OF OUR KEY PERFORMANCE INDICATOR. UM, AT THIS POINT, WE'RE STILL, UH, IDENTIFYING WHAT PROJECTS WE'RE GONNA WORK ON THAT WOULD IMPACT THAT, AND THAT SCORE IS BASED OFF OF SURVEYS AND OUR, UH, IN OUR, IN OUR DOCUMENTED REPORTING FROM OUR, UH, BUILDING MANAGEMENT OR OUR, UH, WORK ORDER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, UM, AND MAKING IMPROVEMENTS IN, UH, SPEED OF DELIVERY, UM, ACCURACY AND CUSTOMER SERVICE. OKAY. UM, THE NEXT, UH, OPEN GOAL IS, UH, CAMPUS MASTER PLAN. AND I, UH, NOTE THAT THE, UH, DUE DATE SAYS 12 29 23. UM, THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL DUE DATE. UM, AS CHANGES HAVE OCCURRED IN THE COUNTY, UM, I'VE ADDED TARGETS, UH, OR, UM, ADDED TASKS TO THAT PARTICULAR GOAL. UM, THE DATE DIDN'T UPDATE THERE, BUT I'VE, UH, HAD THAT UPDATED THIS AFTERNOON. SO, UM, IT NOW IS GOING OUT INTO 2026 AT THIS POINT. UM, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN ADDED ARE, UM, I HEARD YOU TALKING ABOUT THE, UH, SOME OF THE EXPANSION PROJECTS THAT WERE CONSOLIDATION PROJECTS. PROJECTS REALLY HERE, UM, IS WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH SOME CONSTRUCTION. UM, WE'VE ALSO HAD, UM, WE'VE ALSO HAD SOME, UH, SIGNIFICANT PROJECT WORK ASSOCIATED WITH THE SAMARITAN AND THE UW CAMPUS AS WELL. SO THOSE ARE, UH, THOSE ARE TOPICS THAT HAVE BEEN ADDED, UM, TO THIS PARTICULAR GOAL. AND OUR, OUR BUILDING SYSTEMS, UH, BUILDING UP OUR BUILDING AUTOMATION SYSTEM CARD ACCESS SYSTEM, FIRE SYSTEM, UM, ARE ALL IN NEED OF UPGRADE, AND THAT'S PART OF OUR MASTER PLAN, SO WE'RE INCORPORATING THAT AS WELL. UM, SO THOSE HAVE ALL BEEN ADDED, I THINK 26 IS, IS REALISTIC AT THIS POINT. IF FUTURE THINGS COME ON THAT GET ADDED, THAT DATE MIGHT, MIGHT CONTINUE TO CHANGE. UNDERSTOOD. MM-HMM. , UM, ARE WE DONE WITH THE, ALL THE SAMARITAN UPDATES AND STUFF THAT WE'RE, I HAVE NO, I HAVE NOTHING REMAINING OPEN AT SAMARITAN. OKAY. THANK YOU. MM-HMM, . UM, AND THEN THE FINAL ONE THAT, UH, UH, OUR STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURES, THAT'S BEEN A COMBINATION OF DOCUMENTING PROCEDURES THAT WE DIDN'T ACTUALLY HAVE WRITTEN DOWN, AS WELL AS UPDATING ONES THAT WE DID, AND MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE FRESH AND [00:05:01] ACCURATE AND, UM, UH, THAT'S INVOLVED. OUR WHOLE TEAM, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF OUR EMPLOYEES DOWN TO OUR PART-TIME CUSTODIANS HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS. AND, UH, WE COMPLETED WHAT WE SET OUT TO DO IN 2024, AND NOW WE'RE PRIORITIZING, UM, OUR NEXT ROUND OF, UH, PROCEDURES THAT WILL BE ATTACKED IN 2025. AWESOME. ANY QUESTIONS I CAN ANSWER? THAT WAS JUST WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I'M SEEING NONE. I GUESS WE'RE GOOD TO GO. GREAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. ITEM C, SHARED RIDE TAXI REDUCTION IN HOURS OPERATION. MR. SCOTT. OH, YOU'RE TAKING THAT OVER? IT DOES SAY SCOTT ON HERE, THOUGH. . OH, OKAY. YEP. YEP. UH, SO THE WASHINGTON COUNTY SHARED RIDE TAXI CURRENTLY OPERATES, UH, 5:00 AM TO [c. Shared Ride Taxi Reduction in hours of operation] 10:00 PM AND AM TO 4:00 PM LET'S SEE. OH, SO THE FIRST TIME WAS, UH, MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY, 5:00 AM 5:00 AM TO 10:00 PM AND SUNDAY, 8:00 AM TO 4:00 PM UH, IN THAT RIDERSHIP REPORT YOU SAW, UH, EARLIER, UH, RIDERSHIP IS VERY LOW AT THE END OF THE DAY. UH, SO WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT, UH, THE RIDERSHIP, UH, EVALUATING IT DURING THAT TIME, AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH OUR PROVIDER ON HOW WE CAN, UH, REDUCE THE HOURS ON MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, UH, BUT KEEP THE SAME HOURS ON SUNDAY. UH, IT'S KIND OF CONSISTENT RIDERSHIP ON, ON SUNDAY. UH, SO I'VE INCLUDED IN THE ATTACHMENTS, UH, OR EXHIBITS A, B, AND C, THE DATA TO, UH, SUPPORT THIS CHANGE IN SCHEDULE. SO, LET'S SEE. SO ON, I'M NOT ON THE EXHIBITS YET, BUT IN THE AGENDA, IT MENTIONS THAT, UM, THERE WERE 192, UH, SERVICEABLE WEEKDAYS, AND, UH, 162 OF THOSE 192 DAYS HAD NO TRIPS AFTER 9:00 PM AND AS FAR AS SATURDAY, UH, THERE WERE 38 OPERABLE SATURDAYS THERE, 26 OF THEM HAD NO TRIPS AFTER 8:30 PM SO THERE'S NOT MANY, UH, OR ATAL, UH, TRIPS AT DURING THESE TIME PERIODS. SO, I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD, SCOTT, IF I MAY, MR. CHAIRMAN, LEMME JUST TEE THIS UP A LITTLE BIT MORE FOR YOU BEFORE CHARLIE GETS REALLY, UH, DEEP IN THE NUMBERS FOR YOU. AND OF COURSE, THE EXHIBITS ARE ALL IN YOUR PACK, AND WE'LL HAVE THEM UP ON THE SCREEN AS WELL. UH, WHAT WE DID WAS, UH, THIS COMMITTEES HAVE BEEN SEEING THE RIDERSHIP REPORTS FOR, FOR QUITE SOME TIME, EVEN THE COMMITTEE BEFORE THIS ONE WAS SEEING THOSE RIDERSHIP REPORTS. MM-HMM. . AND WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING IS TO STREAMLINE OUR, OUR SERVICE A LITTLE BIT. WHEN WE SAY REDUCING THE HOURS, THAT MEANS IF WE DROP THE HOURS OFF AT THE END OF THE DAY, THAT IT'S NOT REDUCING THE WHOLE SERVICE. I'M CUTTING IN AND OUT, HUH? SPEAKERS ARE. OKAY. AND SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING IS TAKING THAT INSTEAD THAT DRIVER'S STAYING TILL 10:00 PM AT NIGHT, THAT DRIVER, THEN WE'LL BE THERE DURING THE DAY DURING OUR PEAK TIMES, RIGHT? SO WE'RE NOT REDUCING OUR OVERALL SERVICE HOURS. WE'LL STILL BE BUYING OR PURCHASING 58,000 PURCHASING HOURS FROM OUR VENDOR. IT WOULD JUST BE THAT WE WOULD HAVE THEM SERVICE DIFFERENT HOURS DURING THE DAY AND WHAT WE FEEL ARE, ARE BETTER HOURS AND, AND MORE PRODUCTIVE HOURS DURING THE DAY. BUT CHARLIE'S CERTAINLY GONNA RUN THROUGH SOME OF THE, THE DETAILED NUMBERS FOR YOU TO FIGURE OUT HOW HE CAME UP WITH THE EXACT WHY WE'RE LOOKING AT THOSE HOUR CHANGES. UH, THERE. THANK YOU. YES, THAT'S RIGHT. IT, IT WOULD STILL BE THE SAME, UH, BUILD HOURS. IT WOULD, IT WOULD JUST BE MOVING IT TOWARDS, UH, PEAK TIME. THE DRIVERS, UH, LET'S SEE. SO EXHIBIT A, UH, THAT'S THE REPORT YOU NORMALLY SEE, UH, EACH MONTH. AS YOU CAN SEE, THE RIDERSHIP IS, IS VERY LOW, AROUND EIGHT AND 9:00 PM UH, AND THAT'S BY DAY OF THE WEEK AND TIME OF DAY. LET'S SEE, UH, EXHIBIT EXHIBIT BI THINK IT'S A, IT'S A, I HEAR YOU IN SOME OF THE SPEAKERS, BUT NOT ALL OF 'EM. OKAY. OKAY. YEAH, WE CAN HEAR IT. JUST GO AHEAD, JOHN. OKAY. UH, LET'S SEE. EXHIBIT B, UH, IT'S THE SAME, UH, TABLE FROM THE AGENDA. IT'S THE CURRENT AND PROPOSED HOURS, UH, WHAT THE CHANGE WOULD LOOK LIKE, CHANGING, UH, MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY CLOSING INSTEAD AT 10:00 PM AT 9:00 PM AND CLOSING INSTEAD AT 10:00 PM ON SATURDAY, UH, TO THEN CLOSE AT 8:30 PM AND THE NEXT TABLE ON EXHIBIT B, UH, SHOWS THE NUMBER OF DAYS ACTUALLY THAT HAD TRIPS OUT OF THE 192 DAYS. SO THAT MEANS 162 OR 84%, UH, OF DAYS, MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY AFTER 9:00 PM HAD NO TRIPS AS FAR AS SATURDAY AFTER 8:30 PM UH, 26 OUT OF THE 39 DAYS, OR 67% HAD NO TRIPS. THEN SUNDAY, UH, JUST 719 TRIPS THAT THAT WAS [00:10:01] JUST INCLUDED. UH, UH, JUST TO CONTINUE THE EXAMPLE SUNDAY, THERE'LL BE NO CHANGE IN THE, IN THE HOURS THERE. AND THEN THE NEXT, NEXT TABLE ON EXHIBIT B HAS THE, UH, TRIP PURPOSE, UH, FOR, UH, MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, UH, AFTER 9:00 PM UH, SO THE TOP CHART IS THE NUMBER OF TRIPS, AND THE BOTTOM CHART IS THE NUMBER OF RIDERS. UH, SO THAT WAY YOU CAN SEE IF IT'S, UH, ONE-OFFS OR CONSISTENT RIDERS. UH, ONE PERSON TAKING MANY TRIPS OR RANDOM PEOPLE THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, MAYBE ONCE OR TWICE TAKING A, A TRIP LIKE THAT. LET'S SEE. AND SAME AS FOR EIGHT 30. ON THE RIGHT SIDE, IT'S TRIPS ON THE TOP AND RIDERS ON THE BOTTOM. AND A LITTLE NOTE AT THE BOTTOM, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH OUR PROVIDER. WE WENT THROUGH THE LIST OF EVERY PERSON THAT RODE DURING THESE TIMES, UH, TO SEE IF THEY WOULD BE AFFECTED. AND ACCORDING TO OUR PROVIDER, THEY'VE EITHER CHANGED THEIR SCHEDULES OR THEY WOULD, UH, NOT BE AFFECTED BY THIS CHANGE. OKAY. I, I DO HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. SO, SO IN ESSENCE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT WE'RE NOT REALLY, WE'RE NOT REALLY SAVING ANY MONEY BECAUSE WE'RE JUST ADJUSTING THE DRIVER'S TIME SCHEDULES TO MATCH THE PEAK HOURS WHEN THE, THE, THE, UH, WHEN IT'S NECESSARY. RIGHT? RIGHT. UM, BUT I GUESS THE QUESTION I HAVE IS, DID YOU GET ANY FEEDBACK? I THINK SCOTT MENTIONED THAT WE HAD, UM, SOMETHING IN POSTED IN THE TAXIS SAYING WE WERE GONNA BE CHANGING THIS AND POSTED, DID WE GET ANY FEEDBACK OR ANYBODY SAY THAT THEY'RE DISGRUNTLED THAT MAKING THIS CHANGE OR, RIGHT. SO WE PUT OUT THE FLYER. WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANY EMAILS, CALLS OR, UH, COMPLAINTS TO THE NO COMPLAINTS OR ANYTHING. THAT'S INTERESTING. SUPERVISOR SALAK. AND ALONG THOSE SAME LINES OF MOVING TO, UH, MORE PEAK TIMES, DO WE KNOW, UH, AS FAR AS DURING THOSE PEAK TIMES, ARE THE, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE CALLING FOR A RIDE, ARE THEY WAITING AT ALL? I MEAN, DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO MOVE AT ALL TO THAT TIME? IS IS THERE A NEED FOR IT OR IS THERE NOT A NEED? DOES THAT, I DUNNO IF THAT MAKES SENSE, BUT MOVING THOSE DRIVERS TO THE MORE PEAK TIMES, ARE THERE, ARE THERE PEOPLE THAT ARE WAITING FOR A RIDE THAT WE CAN GET MORE RIDES IN? OR IS IT JUST, ARE WE JUST, JUST KIND OF SHIFTING THINGS AROUND TO MAKE IT MAKE SENSE? AND IF THAT KIND OF MY ANSWER WOULD BE YES. RIGHT. IT, IT'S KIND OF A COMBINATION OF THE TWO. WE SAY SHIFTING A DRIVER AROUND THAT INSTEAD OF WORKING LIKE FROM SEVEN TO MAYBE TWO, MAYBE THEY STAY TILL THREE, STUFF LIKE THAT. SO RIGHT. SO THEY'RE STAYING AN EXTRA HOUR OR STARTING IN A LOT EARLIER, AN EXTRA HOUR. 'CAUSE YOU CAN IMAGINE THAT IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE NOT MOVING A LOT OF HOURS OUT THERE. AS YOU CAN TELL, WE DON'T HAVE 20 RIDER, 20 DRIVERS ON STAFF AT, YOU KNOW, NINE O'CLOCK AT NIGHT. RIGHT. SO IT'S ONLY REALLY A COUPLE DRIVERS THAT WOULD BE IMPACTING. WE MOVE THEIR SCHEDULES THAT INSTEAD OF STAYING OUT TILL, YOU KNOW, 10 O'CLOCK MM-HMM. , THEY MAYBE START AN HOUR EARLIER SO THAT THEY CAN BE DURING THAT PEAK TIME. I GOT IT. YEAH. AND BE AVAILABLE AT THAT PEAK TIME. SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. AND, UH, WE'RE NOT TURNING, AS, YOU KNOW, WITH THE NUMBERS THAT YOU'VE BEEN SEEING FOR MONTHS, WE'RE NOT TURNING A WHOLE LOT OF RIDERS AWAY RIGHT NOW. IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE, WE'RE SAYING THAT, OH, RIDERSHIP IS GONNA GO UP DRAMATICALLY, BUT IT GIVES US THAT OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE A COUPLE MORE RIDES DURING THAT PEAK TIME OF DAY VERSUS WHEN WE KNOW THAT THERE'S JUST NOT MANY RIDERS COMING AT NINE O'CLOCK AT NIGHT OVERALL. AND I GET THAT. SO YOUR SHIFT, IF A GUY WORKS HYPOTHETICAL 10 TO 10 IN THE MORNING TILL NINE, HE'S GONNA WORK NINE TO EIGHT OR SO HE JUST BASICALLY SHIFTING 'EM JUST A LITTLE BIT. RIGHT. WE WOULD LET THEM FIGURE OUT THE EXACT YEAH. YOU KNOW, TIMING. BUT THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF THE GIST OF IT. OKAY. RIGHT. UM, YEAH, THE OTHER OPTION YOU HAVE TOO, CERTAINLY, AND, AND WE THOUGHT WE'D BRING THIS ONE FORWARD LIKE THIS, BUT YES, WE CERTAINLY COULD REDUCE OUR OVERALL HOURS TOO, UM, AND NOT INCREASE THE SERVICE DURING THE DAY AND JUST REDUCE THOSE HOURS AT NIGHT. UH, BUT WE FIGURED THAT IT'D BE NICE TO YOU JUST GIVE US A TRY FOR THESE, A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME AND, YOU KNOW, BUDGET CYCLES RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER AND WE'LL SEE IF THIS MAKES AN IMPACT OR NOT. AND IF IT DOESN'T, UH, WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT REDUCING THE SERVICE. YEAH, THAT'S KIND OF THE COMMENT I WOULD THINK TOO. IT'S, I KINDA LIKE SEEING THESE LITTLE TWEAKS AS WE GO AND SEE WHAT KIND OF EFFECT WE HAVE ON, ON THE WHOLE RIDERSHIP. UM, RATHER THAN, LIKE YOU SAID, IF WE HAVE A BUDGET PROBLEM AND WE GOTTA MAKE SOME CUTS NOW, THERE'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT WE GOT. YEAH. WE'LL, WE'LL GET SOME FEEDBACK BY ADJUSTING THIS RIGHT NOW. MM-HMM. . MM-HMM. OPERATOR ERROR ON MY PART. . UM, I DIDN'T HAVE MY HD MIC PLUGGED INTO THE OH, SYSTEM. SORRY ABOUT THAT. THAT'S ALL RIGHT. WE GOT THE PACK RIGHT HERE IN FRONT OF US TOO. YES, . OKAY. AND THEN EXHIBIT C IS JUST KIND OF THIS SAME, UH, DATA AGAIN, JUST BREAKING OUT INTO, UH, TO [00:15:01] BAR CHARTS HERE. SO YOU CAN SEE THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, ONLY SIX OUT OF THE 37 MONDAYS HAD TRIPS. ONLY 12 OUT OF THE 39 TUESDAYS HAD TRIPS. ONLY TWO OUT OF 39 WEDNESDAYS HAD TRIPS. UH, AFTER, AFTER 9:00 PM THEN IT KIND OF BREAKS DOWN THAT DATA INTO LIKE THE SMALLER TIME INTERVALS THERE IN THE NEXT TABLES. THIS IS JUST THE SUPPORTING DATA AS WELL. I GUESS THE ONLY, UH, KIND OF IN CLOSING HERE, THE ONLY COMMENT I WOULD HAVE IS THAT IF YOU, IF YOU HAVE ANYBODY POSTING THAT THEY'RE ANGRY, WE CUT HOURS BECAUSE AFTER THE FACT THEY MIGHT REALIZE, OH, CRAP, THEY DID REALLY CUT THEIR HOURS. RIGHT. UM, IF YOU COULD JUST LET US KNOW IF YOU GET A LOT OF COMPLAINTS OR SOMETHING ON THAT, SO WE CAN KIND OF TRACK THAT AND GET A FEEL OR FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY. OKAY. OTHER THAN THAT, DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS? UH, I HAVE A QUESTION. YES. WHY DO WE CONTINUE THIS ON, ON, UH, ON SATURDAYS AND SUNDAYS? THERE IS VERY LITTLE USAGE ON THE WEEKENDS. LET'S SEE. I CERTAINLY WILL NOT DISAGREE WITH THAT STATEMENT. THERE IS IS VERY LITTLE USE, AND IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THE BOARD IS, IS, OR COMMITTEE, EXCUSE ME, IS LOOKING AT HAVING US DOING, UH, A LARGER CHANGE LIKE THAT, WHAT OUR KIND OF OUR, OUR POLICY, YOUR POLICY IS, IF THE CHANGE IS 10% OR LESS, THEN IT JUST GOES TO THIS COMMITTEE AS A, LIKE WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW, PUBLIC MEETING. IF IT'S OVER 10%, THEN IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING. AND SO WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING IS TRY TO MAKE SOME MINOR CHANGES AND STAYING WITHIN THOSE BOUNDARIES. UH, IF THE COMMITTEE'S PURVIEW IS TO DO SOMETHING A LITTLE LARGER THAN THAT, UH, WE CERTAINLY ARE MORE THAN WILLING TO BRING THAT BACK TO THE COMMITTEE AS THE, AS THE POLICY MAKERS HERE AND, AND SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. AND WE WOULD CERTAINLY NEED SOME TIME TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC IS AWARE OF IT AND, AND PUT THOSE FLYERS OUT THERE AND ALL THE FACEBOOK POSTINGS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF THAT WE SHOULD DO TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE OUT THERE AND AVAILABLE. I THINK BEFORE WE, WE DO THAT, I THINK WE COULD DO AN ANALYSIS AND BRING THAT BACK TO YOU. UH, HOW MANY RIDERS ACTUALLY USE THAT AND WHAT PURPOSE THEY'RE USED FOR, JUST LIKE THE PIE CHARTS THAT ARE, UM, UP ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW TO SEE WHAT KIND OF IMPACT THAT WOULD BE. UM, THE PREVIOUS COMMITTEE DID HAVE A, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC HEARING ON THE COMMUTER EXPRESS AND, AND THE RIDE, UM, THE, UH, FAIR INCREASES. AND SO, UH, WE HAVE DONE IT BEFORE. UM, SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE, WE WOULDN'T, WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO THAT. NO, I THINK THAT WAS A FAR BIGGER, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, THING THAN THIS IS, I MEAN, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBERS, THIS IS, I MEAN, IT'S FRACTIONAL. IT'S 20% OF THE, YOU KNOW, 20%, YOU KNOW, 40% OF, UH, OF A WEEKDAY. IT'S, IT'S A SIGNIFICANT DROP IN, IN USAGE. AND SO, I MEAN, AT SOME POINT IT'S JUST NOT, IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT'S, IT'S VERY SMART TO CONTINUE THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO THAT. I MEAN, THAT IS ACTUALLY SOMETHING I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, UH, YOU KNOW, WHO'S USING IT AND, AND WHERE THEY'RE, AND WHERE THEY'RE GOING ON THE WEEKENDS, TIME TO EVALUATE SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 'CAUSE THIS, YEAH. I MEAN, BUT I MEAN, IT'S EVENLY SPREAD OUT THROUGH EVERY HOUR. IT'S JUST THAT THE NUMBER TWOS AND THREES THE WHOLE THING IS JUST, I MEAN, THAT IS TO ME JUST LOW HANGING FRUIT THAT YOU JUST HAVE TO LOOK AT AND SAY, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, FOR EFFICIENCY AND TO HAVE SOME REGARD FOR THE TAXPAYER'S DOLLARS. I MEAN, MY GOSH, I I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT TOO. I MEAN, THOSE NUMBERS ARE, I MEAN, THAT'S UNSUSTAINABLE. IF YOU WERE RUNNING A BUSINESS, A PRIVATE BUSINESS, THERE'S NO WAY YOU COULD SUSTAIN ANYTHING IN THAT. AND, AND I'M NOT, I'M NOT EQUATING IT TO THAT. I'M JUST SAYING THIS, I MEAN, THESE NUMBERS ARE WAY OFF. I MEAN, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ON A WEEKDAY WHERE YOU SEE 20 TWOS AND 20 THREES, THERE ARE TWOS AND THREES. YOU'RE 5% OF A, YOU KNOW, OF A WEEKDAY. THAT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T BE ALL THINGS TO ALL PEOPLE ALL THE TIME. YOU, YOU DO THE BEST YOU CAN, IN MY OPINION. IN MY OPINION. WELL, ONE QUESTION RELATED TO THAT WOULD BE, HOW MANY DRIVERS DO YOU HAVE ON STAFF ON, ON A WEEKDAY VERSUS A SATURDAY OR A SUNDAY? SO MAYBE IF YOU COULD PROVIDE THE INFORMATION OF, UH, LIKE MAYBE AN AVERAGE TIME FOR A TRIP IF YOU HAVE THAT, OR SOME WAY TO LOOK AT HOW MANY, YOU KNOW, TELL US HOW MANY DRIVERS YOU HAVE ON, ON THE WEEKDAYS VERSUS SATURDAY AND SUNDAY, AND THEN MAYBE AN AVERAGE TIME PER TRIP, BECAUSE IF THEY'RE STAFFING DOWN, YOU KNOW, FOR SATURDAY AND SUNDAY, IT MIGHT MAKE SENSE TO KEEP THAT. UM, WELL, I WOULD AGREE. I'M ASSUMING, I MEAN, I THINK FOR SURE THAT'S PROBABLY HAPPENING, I'M ASSUMING, BUT THE TIME PER TRIP MIGHT HELP TOO, IN EVALUATING THAT. OKAY. YEAH, WE HAVE, YES. THAT IS SOMETHING WE'VE HAD [00:20:01] PROVIDED IN THE PAST. THE AMOUNT OF DRIVERS PER, UM, HOUR MM-HMM. SO SOMETHING CERTAIN WE EASILY CAN PROVIDE. WE, WE, YOU ARE, THERE'S NO DOUBT WE DON'T HAVE LIKE 20 DRIVERS SITTING THERE WAITING ON SATURDAY. CORRECT. UH, BASED ON USAGE. CORRECT. I'M ASSUMING IT WOULDN'T MAKE SENSE AT ALL. SO I'M ASSUMING THAT'S NOT HAPPENING. RIGHT? IT, THAT IS NOT HAPPENING. UM, BUT YES, WE CAN CERTAINLY PROVIDE SOME INFORMATION AND DATA TO THIS COMMITTEE AT THE NEXT MEETING IF THAT'S ACCEPTABLE. I DON'T WANNA GET TOO FAR OFF THE AGENDA TOPIC TODAY. YES. NO, NO, NO. UM, NO, I'M JUST SAYING BECAUSE I, YEAH, I, I CERTAINLY AGREE WITH WHAT YOU, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT WE WANT TO DO HERE, AND THAT IS JUST WORKING AROUND THE EDGES. THIS WOULD BE MORE OF A, YOU KNOW, A MEAT OF THE BONE TYPE OF THING. YES. THANK YOU. AND STAYING WITH THIS, UM, AND THANK YOU FOR THAT. UH, BUT, BUT SUPERVISOR MICK'S, UH, QUESTIONS THERE, UH, COULD YOU SHARE, UM, SCOTT, WITH THE COMMITTEE, HOW OFTEN CAN WE MAKE THESE CHANGES BEFORE WE HAVE TO GO TO A PUBLIC HEARING? I MEAN, WE TALKED ABOUT DOING THIS, NOW WE DON'T NEED A PUBLIC HEARING, BUT DO WE HAVE TO WAIT SIX MONTHS BEFORE WE MAKE ANOTHER ADJUSTMENT IF WE GET FEEDBACK AND WE KIND OF SEE WHERE THIS IS GOING, OR NO, YOUR, YOUR POLICY DOES NOT HAVE ANY TIMEFRAMES IN IT. CORRECT, CHARLIE. RIGHT. YEAH. THERE'S NO TIMEFRAME. SO JUST A MATTER OF IF IT'S LESS THAN 10%, IT'S JUST A PUBLIC MEETING. MM-HMM. LIKE WE'RE HAVING RIGHT NOW. ANYTHING OVER 10% WOULD BE A PUBLIC HEARING. AND THEN AS, YOU KNOW, JUST OPEN IT TO THE PUBLIC. WE WOULD MAKE SURE WE, WE GOT POSTED FOR A COUPLE WEEKS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. SO WE WOULD HAVE THAT DISCUSSION. BRING US THE DATA IN DECEMBER, THEN IF, IF YOU SO CHOOSE, THEN WE WOULD LOOK TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AT SOME TIME IN JANUARY, FEBRUARY, WHEREVER THE, THE COMMITTEE'S PLEASURE IS TO HAVE THAT, TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO GET THOSE PUBLIC COMMENTS AND TO HAVE THEM HERE AND AVAILABLE TO, TO COMMENT ON THAT. YEAH. OR, UM, IF IT WOULD BEHOOVE US TOO, IF WE COULD, LIKE I SAID, IF WE DON'T GET ANY FEEDBACK AND WE FIND THAT THE RIDERSHIP ON THE WEEKENDS IS REALLY LOW, WHAT IF WE GO AND MAKE ANOTHER ADJUSTMENT LIKE THAT, MAYBE CUTTING AN HOUR OUT ON A, ON A WEEKEND DEAL OR CUTTING A DRIVER DOWN OR WHATEVER. MM-HMM. , UM, MAKE SLOW ADJUSTMENTS AND THEN JUST SEE HOW, WHAT KIND OF FEEDBACK WE GET, MAYBE WE'D BE ABLE TO MAKE SOME MORE PROGRESS THAT WAY, UH, VERSUS DOING A ONE BIG CHANGE. RIGHT? YES. AND, AND WE WOULD LOOK AT, UH, A LOT OF DATA FOR YOU. AND SO I KNOW, UH, SEVERAL YEARS AGO, MANY YEARS AGO, I SHOULD SAY NOW, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS WAS GETTING PEOPLE TO CHURCH ON SUNDAYS AND STUFF. SO THAT'D BE ONE THING WE, WE LOOK AT AS WELL, UH, TO SEE WHAT AGAIN, THAT, THAT USE THAT WE TALK ABOUT IN THAT PIE CHART, WHERE THEY'RE GOING FOR. WE JUST MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF WHAT THAT, THAT USE IS FOR, SO THAT WHEN YOU HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING, YOU'RE NOT SHOCKED BY THE PEOPLE THAT COME AND SPEAK TO YOU. OKAY. UM, YOU KNOW, I, I GUESS I FORGOT TO ASK, AM I SUPPOSED TO TAKE A MOTION ON THIS THING I'M DOING ANY YES, WE DO. I, I CAN'T, I COULDN'T REMEMBER IF THIS WAS JUST A DISCUSSION ITEM OR IS THIS AN ACTION ITEM? YES. YES. WE, WE, WE WOULD APPRECIATE AN ACTION FROM THIS FROM THIS BODY. MY APOLOGIES. I SHOULD HAVE BEEN ON TOP OF THAT IN THE BEGINNING. I'LL NEED A MOTION A SECOND. A, A MOTION FROM, UH, SUPERVISOR M**K, A SECOND FROM SUPERVISOR HARTWIG. UH, IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS? SEEING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. MOTION CARRIES. UM, THEN WE'LL MOVE ON TO 2024 RESOLUTION, DISCONTINUE EXCESS RIGHT AWAY AND AUTHORIZED SALE OF ADJOINING LAND OWNER. THIS ONE, I KNOW I NEED A MOTION IN A SECOND. UH, A MOTION FROM SUPERVISOR SALAK, A SECOND FROM SUPERVISOR GARATH. AND I ASSUME SCOTT WANTS TO TAKE THIS ONE. [d. 2024 Resolution: Discontinue Excess Right-of-Way and Authorize Sale to Adjoining Land Owner] UH, YES. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. UH, UP ON YOUR SCREEN IN YOUR PACK, YOU'LL SEE AN AERIAL PHOTO OF THE LAND THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. AGAIN, THIS COMMITTEE IS, UH, UH, AWARE OF, UH, LAND THAT WE'RE TRYING, THAT'S LONG COUNTY HIGHWAY'S, UH, RIGHT OF WAY THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET BACK ONTO THE TAX ROLL. UH, THIS WAS ONE OF THOSE PARCELS, UH, THIS INDIVIDUAL ACTUALLY CONTACTED US, UH, ON THIS, THAT WAS ON THEIR RADAR FROM YEARS AGO. UH, THEY REMEMBERED IT. UH, AND SO THEY CONTACTED US IN THIS PARCEL. UH, YOU'LL SEE THAT THEY OWN THE LAND TO THE LEFT, UH, OF THE LITTLE BLUE HATCHED AREA. SO THE AREA WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, SELLING TO THE ADJOINING LANDOWNERS IS AN AREA THAT'S SHADED THIS VERY, VERY LIGHT BLUE IN THE PICTURE HERE. YOU CAN SEE IT'S GOT A, A RIVER RUNNING THROUGH IT AND, UH, MOSTLY WETLANDS. UH, AND SO THE INDIVIDUAL WANTS TO PUT UP ANOTHER OUTBUILDING, AND THEY CAN ONLY HAVE SO MANY OUTBUILDINGS PER SO MANY SQUARE FOOT OF OUTBUILDINGS PER SQUARE FOOT OF LOT. AND SO THEY NEED MORE ACREAGE TO PUT UP ANOTHER OUTBUILDING. AND SO THAT, AS YOU KNOW, THEN THAT AFFECTS THEIR ASSESSMENT LATER ON AND GET MORE TAX MONEY AND, AND SO ON. SO WE DID LOOK AT THIS. WE TALKED TO THE VILLAGE OF RICHFIELD, WHICH IS THE, UH, SCENIC ROAD. WE LOOKED AT OUR FUTURE ROAD PLAN COUNTY, HIGHWAY Q COULD CERTAINLY BE FOUR LANES IN THIS AREA AT SOME POINT. SO WE MAKE SURE WE KEPT ENOUGH RIGHT OF WAY FOR, FOR THAT TO HAPPEN. SO, UH, WE'RE IN FAVOR OF THIS. AND, UH, EVERYTHING ELSE, UH, DOLLAR AMOUNTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT IS, IS IN YOUR PACKET. SO IF YOU HAVE ANY [00:25:01] FURTHER QUESTIONS, CERTAINLY HAPPY TO ASK. MR. CHAIRMAN. GO AHEAD. SUPERVISOR SALAK, I FIRST QUE THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE IS WHY IS THIS IN PUBLIC WORKS AND NOT LAND USE AND PLANNING? I'M JUST, IT WAS PURCHASED AS COUNTY HIGHWAY RIGHT OF WAY. AND SO ANYTHING THAT'S ALONG THE COUNTY HIGHWAY RIGHT OF WAY THE COUNTY HIGHWAY HAS CONTROL OF, OKAY. SO IF IT WAS LAND, LIKE ON THE COUNTY CAMPUS, IT'D GO TO EXECUTIVE. IF IT WAS IN A PARK, IT'D GO TO PLANNING AND PARK. SO IT'S JUST A MATTER OF WHO PURCHASED THE RIGHT OF WAY AND JURISDICTION. JURISDICTION. CORRECT. AND THIS WAS YOU PUBLIC WORKS HIGHWAY COMMITTEE, TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE MANY YEARS AGO. AND THIS KIND OF FOLLOWS A PATH OF TRYING TO GET AWAY FROM OWNING A LOT OF LAND, RIGHT? YES. CORRECT. AT THE GOVERNMENT LEVEL. CORRECT. CORRECT. GETTING IT BACK ON THE TAX ROLL AND GETTING IT BACK ON THE TAX ROLL AGAIN, IT'S NOT GONNA HAVE A, A MAJOR IMPACT BECAUSE IT IS WETLAND, BUT IT DOES HELP THE LAND INDIVIDUAL AS WELL, BEING ABLE TO PUT UP ANOTHER, OUT BUILDING. ABSOLUTELY. FURTHERMORE, UH, SUPERVISOR MCCULLOCH. YEP. UH, SCOTT, UH, SO QUESTION FOR YOU. SO 5.26 ACRES, $3,100. WHO, UH, WHO COMES UP WITH THE LAND VALUE FOR THAT? UH, TED DUMPY IN OUR OFFICE STAFF, I MIGHT REMEMBER AS WE JUST RECENTLY SOLD SOME WETLAND TO THE STATE OF WISCONSIN AND WE'RE BUYING WETLAND OUT ON COUNTY M SO WE LOOKED AT THE PRICES THAT WE'RE, WE ARE TECHNICALLY PAYING FOR WETLAND, UH, AND I'LL CALL IT NON BUILDABLE LAND. AND THEN, SO IF IT'S WETLAND, HOW CAN HE USE IT TO PUT ANOTHER OUTBUILDING? HE'S NOT USING THE LAND TO PUT HIS OUT BUILDING, BUT HE NEEDS A SQUARE FOOTAGE. SO IF YOU CAN HAVE, LET'S JUST SAY YOU CAN HAVE OH, ON, ON THE TOTAL FOOTPRINT, CORRECT? YES. CAN HAVE A CORRECT. HE NEEDS TO HAVE, UH, LET'S SAY IF YOU CAN HAVE 10 SQUARE FEET OF BUILDING FOR EVERY A HUNDRED FIRST SQUARE FEET OF LAND. SO IF YOU DOUBLE OF YOUR LAND, YOU CAN NOW HAVE DOUBLED THE AMOUNT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE. SO I GOT IT. THANK YOU. HE HE'S NOT PUTTING IT ON THAT PROPERTY. NO. OKAY. UM, THAT I COULD TELL YOU, I THINK THE DNR WOULD'VE A LITTLE, UH, A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD'VE AN ISSUE WITH THAT. YEAH. YES. NO, THAT JUST QUESTION. OKAY. SUPERVISOR HARTWIG. THANK YOU MR. TRU. ALRIGHT. IT'LL GIVE HIM A LITTLE OVER SEVEN ACRES. SO HOW BIG OF A BUILDING DOES HE WANT TO PUT UP THERE? I I, I DON'T KNOW HOW BIG OF A BUILDING IS. THAT'S KIND OF A MORE OF A QUESTION TO THE VILLAGE. WHATEVER THEY ALLOW, I'M SURE HE'LL LIKE TO PUT UP AS, AS BIG AS HE AS HE CAN. SO IT'S ACTUALLY ONLY ONE ACRE HE OWNS. IF THERE'S AN ERROR IN THE REPORT, I APOLOGIZE. HE OWNS TWO ACRES AND IT'S ANOTHER ACRE ON TOP OF THAT. YEP. AND YEAH, IN THE CORNER THERE, IT DOES SAY 5.26 ACRE. I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT IS. WHICH CORNER? UH, IT'S DOWN UNDERNEATH THE 1.33, UH, DOE AND THEN IT SAYS 5.26 ACRES, SEVEN ACRES TO ME. YEAH, NO, I MEAN, I WAS LOOKING AT THE SCALE. OH, UH, THE, THE, OH, SORRY ABOUT THAT. THE, THE FIVE ACRES IS WHAT WE BOUGHT. THAT GOES ALL THE WAY THROUGH HIGHWAY Q OVER, UP, UP SCENIC ROAD, THAT WHOLE WIDE AREA. SO, SO TAKE OUT, IF YOU LOOK UP ON THE SCREEN, I CAN MIRROR IT OUT. SO WE BOUGHT THE LAND, IT GOES UP HERE OVER, UP ALL THE WAY OVER HERE, BACK DOWN AND OVER. SO THAT'S, THAT WAS THE, THE, WHEN WE PURCHASED THE LAND ORIGINALLY IT WAS FIVE ACRES. OH, THAT'S FINE. OF THE WHOLE BIG BLOCK. OKAY. UH, SO 1.99 ACRES IS THE CURRENT ACREAGE, AND IT IS CORRECT IN THE RESOLUTION. UH, 1.105 ACRES IS WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY OH, OKAY. GOT. SO IT'S 3000. SO IF YOU WANNA THINK ABOUT IT AS 3000 AN ACRE IS WHAT WE'RE, THAT MAKES SENSE. NO, THAT MAKES SENSE. ALL RIGHT. WE, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW, I WAS LOOKING, MY APOLOGIZE, I DIDN'T LOOK AT CLOSELY AT THE, THE IMAGE. SO SEE THE CONFUSION ON THAT. YEAH, SORRY ABOUT THAT. YEAH, THAT'S, UH, NO PROBLEM. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE WILL VOTE, UH, APPROVE OR WE HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION? WE DID, WE DID MAKE A MOTION ALREADY. OKAY. I'LL APPROVE, SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. OKAY. RESOLUTION, UH, LET'S SEE. THE 2060 TRANSPORTATION NETWORK SUSTAINABILITY PLAN. I BELIEVE WE NEED A MOTION AND A SECOND TO GET THIS GOING AS WELL. A MOTION BY SUPERVISOR, EXCUSE ME, IC A SECOND BY HARTWIG SUPERVISOR. HARTWIG . I'M FALLING APART HERE. . [e. 2060 Transportation Network Sustainability Plan for City of Hartford and Town of Farmington] UM, SCOTT, IS THAT SOMETHING YOU'D LIKE TO TOUCH BASE ON AS WELL? UH, YES, ACTUALLY I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO SPEND A, A LITTLE BIT OF TIME GOING THROUGH THIS BECAUSE, UH, THE COMMITTEE HASN'T SEEN, UH, ONE OF THE 2060 PLANS AND WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE CALLING 2060 PLANS NOW, UH, GOING FORWARD. SO IF IT'S INDULGENT, I'D LIKE ABOUT ABOUT 10 TO 15 MINUTES OF YOUR TIME TO KIND OF ROLL THROUGH WHAT, WHAT WE DO TYPICALLY FOR THESE, UH, WE HAVE COMPLETED 2050 PLANS FOR THE VILLAGE OF KIOSK AND CITY WEST BEND. UH, WHAT WE LOOKED AT DOING IS PROBABLY GETTING, TRY TO GET TWO OF THESE DONE A YEAR. WE'RE A LITTLE BEHIND RIGHT NOW. UH, WE GO INTO THE CITY OF HARTFORD, AS WELL AS THE TOWN OF FARMINGTON'S, UH, TOWN OF FARMINGTON. MET WITH THEM EARLIER THIS WEEK. UH, HOPEFULLY FINALIZE THAT ONE AND BRING THAT TO YOU IN DECEMBER. BUT BEFORE YOU, YOU SEE A DRAFT VERSION FOR THE CITY OF HARTFORD. I WANT TO STRESS IT'S A DRAFT VERSION. UH, IT WILL STILL GO, [00:30:01] UH, ONCE STAFF AT THE CITY OF HARTFORD HAS MORE CHANCE TO REVIEW IT, UH, WE'LL FINALIZE THAT DOCUMENT AND BRING IT BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE CITY OF HARTFORD. SO, UM, WHAT IT IS, A DRAFT VERSION. WE ALSO LOOKED AT 2050, KEEPS GETTING CLOSER AND CLOSER, AND IT'S JUST A COUPLE MORE YEARS. WE WENT OUT ALL THE WAY TO 2060 FOR THESE BECAUSE, UH, PART OF OUR STRATEGIC PRIORITIES IS THE COUNTY HAS TO GO OUT TO 2060. SO WE THOUGHT, WELL, IT MAKES MORE SENSE TO DO TO LOCAL MUNICIPALITIES UP TO 2060, WHICH TAKES A LITTLE MORE TIME, BUT, UM, IS, IS GOOD IN THE END. AND, UM, I HAVE IT UP ON YOUR SCREEN, UH, WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE AND WHAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH. I WON'T HIT ON EVERYTHING AND I CERTAINLY WILL NOT BE READING IT, UM, PAGE PER PAGE. BUT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING IS WE DID A 2050 PLAN TO SEE HOW MUCH FUNDING WE NEEDED AT THE WASHINGTON COUNTY'S LEVEL TO MAKE SURE THAT IF WE SPEND X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS PER YEAR, UH, ARE WE GONNA HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO ALL OF OUR ROADWAYS? AND WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? AND DO WE, ARE WE JUST PUTTING OURSELVES ON A DEEPER HOLE, DEEPER HOLE, DEEPER HOLE? AND THEN AT SOME POINT GOING, HOLY COW, WE HAVE A REALLY BIG PROBLEM. AND SO WE LOOKED AT, AT OUR, OUR PLAN, FIRST OF ALL, AND THE COUNTY EXECUTIVES FELT IT WAS VERY NECESSARY TO DO THAT FOR THE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS AS WELL. AND LIKE I SAID, WE, WE PICK UP ABOUT TWO PER EVERY, EVERY YEAR. AND WHAT WE DO WITH THAT PLAN IS, THE FIRST THING WE DO IS OBVIOUSLY WE, WE WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH THE, THE LOCAL MUNICIPALITY AND OUR GIS DEPARTMENT AND OUR COUNTY'S IT DEPARTMENT. UH, AND THEY CREATED THIS, THIS NICE PROGRAM THAT WE CAN PUT A LOT OF THIS INFORMATION INTO, UH, WHICH, WHICH PROVIDES A LOT OF DATA BACK TO US. UH, THE FIRST THING WE DO IS WE GET A, A STREET INVENTORY OF EVERY STREET THAT THEY HAVE. UH, WE ALSO GET WHERE THEY HAVE ALLEYS AND PARKINGS, JUST LIKE WE DID FOR THE CITY OF WEST BEND. WE KNOW WHERE THOSE ARE BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO BE ACCOUNTED FOR AS WELL. YOU JUST CAN'T IGNORE ALLEYS IN THE CITIES, UH, UH, AS MUCH AS THEY, THEY MIGHT WANT TO, OR, UH, PEOPLE THINK THEY DO. UM, THEY, THEY DO, UH, OFTEN NEED TO BE PAVED AS WELL. AND THEN WHAT TO DO IS, EVERY ROAD HAS A, IN THIS WHISTLER SYSTEM, A WISCONSIN STATE SYSTEM, UH, EVERY MUNICIPALITY HAS TO PUT THEIR ROADWAYS IN THERE AND THEY GET WHAT'S CALLED A PACER RATING. AND ON, ON, UH, I DON'T KNOW THE PAGE NUMBER THAT I'M ON RIGHT HERE, PAGE FOUR OF THAT PARTICULAR REPORT. UH, YOU'LL SEE THAT IN THE UPPER RIGHT HAND CORNER, THE, THE ROADS ARE RATED, UH, EVERY OTHER YEAR AND THEY'RE RATED FROM EXCELLENT DOWN TO FAILED. EXCELLENT. IT'S BRAND NEW PAVEMENT TYPICALLY. AND FAILED MEANS IT'S PROBABLY BACK TO GRAVEL. AND SO YOU'LL SEE THAT IT'S LISTED AS EXCELLENT GOODS FAIR AND THEN POOR QUALITY. AND IN THAT LITTLE SPREADSHEET, UH, KINDA GIVES YOU A PERCENTAGE OF WHAT, HOW MANY OF THE ROADS ARE IN GOOD OR BETTER CONDITION, HOW MANY ARE IN FAIR, UH, AND THE CITY OF HARTFORD'S ROADS ARE IN, UH, FOR THE MOST PART IN PRETTY GOOD OR OR UPPER FAIR CONDITION WHEN YOU WANNA START REPLACING THEM IS WHEN YOU'RE IN THAT, DEFINITELY IN THAT POOR RANGE, THAT THAT THREE RANGE IS WHEN IT'S BASICALLY POTHOLE AFTER POTHOLE AND YOU, IT IS TIME TO REPLACE. SO YOU CAN SEE THE CITY'S BEEN DOING A, A PRETTY GOOD JOB HISTORICALLY ABOUT KEEPING MOST OF THE ROADS IN, IN GOOD, UH, UPPER FARE OR, OR GOOD CONDITION. SO, UM, AND OF COURSE WE GOT SOME PICTURES OF WHAT THAT, WHAT THAT KIND OF LOOKS LIKE, UM, IN THE REPORT. AND THEN, UH, WE GOT A NICE MAP, UH, TO SEE. SO YOU CAN SEE THAT AGAIN, RED IS POOR. UM, THE YELLOW OR ORANGE IS FAIR AND THEN THE GREENS ARE GOOD. SO IF YOU CAN JUST KINDA LOOK AT THAT, YOU KNOW, MAP AND KIND SQUINT YOUR EYES A LITTLE BIT GOING, IT'S NOT A LOT OF RED ON THAT MAP OVERALL WHEN YOU COMPARE IT TO SOME OTHER MUNICIPALITIES THAT WE'VE COMPLETED IN THE, IN THE PAST. AND SO WE GET THAT DATA AND THEN WE LOOK AT THE PACER DETERIORATION CHART AND GOING, ALRIGHT, WE'VE GOT ALL THIS HISTORICAL DATA AND HOW LONG DO YOUR ROADS REALLY LAST IN THE CITY OF HARTFORD? YOU KNOW? AND SO IF YOU HAD A PAVEMENT THAT'S 50 YEARS OLD, WHAT CONDITION IS IT IN? JUST BECAUSE A PAVEMENT IS OLD DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN IT'S IN BAD SHAPE. JUST BECAUSE A PAVEMENT IS NEWER DOESN'T ALSO NECESSARILY MEAN IT'S GONNA BE IN GOOD SHAPE. A LOT OF FACTORS GO INTO THAT, HOW THICK THEY DID, HOW MANY WATER MAIN BREAKS MAYBE THEY HAVE IN THE AREA OR SEWER PROBLEMS. UH, DID THEY PUT ENOUGH ASPHALT DOWN, THE GARBAGE TRUCKS GOING THROUGH THERE, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. OR OTHER HEAVY TRUCK TRAFFIC THAT THEY MAYBE WEREN'T ANTICIPATING 20, 30 YEARS AGO. AND SO YOU CAN SEE A LOT OF THE CITY HARTFORD ROADS ARE, EVEN IF THEY'RE OLDER, THEY'RE STILL IN THAT SIX AND ABOVE RANGE, WHICH IS, WHICH IS REALLY, REALLY GOOD. UM, SO IT MEANS A LOT OF THEIR PAVES ARE, ARE HOLDING, WELL, IT MEANS THAT SOMEBODY DID SOMETHING RIGHT 50, 60 YEARS AGO WHEN THEY ACTUALLY BUILT A LOT OF THOSE ROADWAYS. WHAT WE DO IS THEN WE PUT ALL THIS THAT INFORMATION INTO THIS COMPUTER PROGRAM. AND PART WHAT WE DO IN THAT COMPUTER PROGRAM IS, ALRIGHT, WE HAVE ALL THIS DATA ON THE CONDITION OF THE ROADWAYS, LET'S PUT IN TRAFFIC VOLUME AS WELL. AND WHY WE DO THAT IS TO ANTICIPATE. SO WE CAN TELL THAT THE CITIES OR VILLAGES, OKAY, THESE ROADS ARE MAYBE A HIGHER PRIORITY 'CAUSE THEY GET HIGHER VOLUME OF TRAFFIC. THAT IF YOU HAVE A POOR ROAD THAT HAS 20 CARS A DAY AND A POOR ROAD THAT HAS 200 CARS A DAY, WHICH ONE SHOULD YOU DO FIRST? I WOULD SURMISE. AND OUR COMPUTER PROGRAM SAYS, DO THE ONE WITH 200 CARS A DAY BECAUSE YOU'RE IMPACTING 200 PEOPLE VERSUS ONLY 20. AND SO THAT COMPUTER PROGRAM KIND OF FIGURES IT OUT AND SAYS, OKAY, WE SHOULD DO THESE ROADS FIRST. WE'RE NOT IGNORING THOSE ROADS, BUT IF YOU GOTTA PRIORITIZE, WE'RE GONNA PRIORITIZE THE HIGHER VOLUME ROAD FIRST. AND SO WE GOT A NICE MAP, AGAIN OF ALL THE ROADS THAT HAVE HIGHER TRAFFIC VOLUMES [00:35:01] AND ONES THAT HAVE LOWER TRAFFIC VOLUMES. AND IN A REPORT LIKE THIS AND WE'VE GOT THE COMPUTER BEHIND THE SCREENS, IT'S, IT'S HARD TO SEE IN THIS REPORT 'CAUSE IT KIND OF BLENDS ALL IN TOGETHER. BUT, UH, THE CITY, TRUST ME, HAS THE, THE BACKGROUND DATA AND CAN ZOOM INTO THE PDFS AND ZOOM OUT AND ACTUALLY HAS ACCESS TO THE COMPUTER SYSTEM BEHIND THE SCENES. AND WE BREAK THOSE INTO CATEGORIES AS WELL. ALSO IN THE MUNICIPALITIES, VERY IMPORTANT, OUR UTILITIES. AND SO WE TALKED TO THE CITY, UH, ABOUT THEIR WATER MAIN BREAKS BECAUSE YOU COULD ALSO IMAGINE IF YOU HAVE WATER, MAIN BREAK, WATER MAIN BREAK, WATER MAIN BREAK, AT SOME POINT YOU GOTTA REPLACE THAT WATER MAIN AND YOU JUST KEEP, OTHERWISE YOU'RE JUST CHASING YOUR TAIL. AND SO WE PUT THAT INTO THE PROGRAM TOO. AND I REALIZED THAT IF WE GOT TWO ROADS THAT HAVE, THEY'RE BOTH THE PAS OR THREE, THEY BOTH HAVE 200 CARS, WHAT'S NEXT? THIS ONE HAS POOR UTILITIES. LET'S REPLACE THAT UTILITY AND REPLACE THAT ROADWAY FIRST BECAUSE IT'S GONNA SAVE THE TAXPAYER IN THE CITY OF HARTFORD A LOT MORE MONEY IF WE DO THAT FIRST VERSUS A ROAD THAT MAYBE DOESN'T NEED THE WATER MAIN. AND SO WE ALSO LOOKED AT WATER UTILITY BREAKS, SEWER BREAKS AND WHERE THAT NEED IS. BUT ALSO WE LOOKED AT THE, THE AGE OF THE UTILITIES. AGAIN, JUST BECAUSE SOMETHING MIGHT BE 50 YEARS OLD DOESN'T MEAN IT NECESSARILY NEEDS TO BE REPLACED, BUT THE LI MORE LIKELIHOOD OF THAT NEED TO BE REPLACED IS THERE. AND SO YOU'LL SEE ANOTHER MAP THAT'S UP THERE FAR. THE RED IS AGAIN, THE OLDER UTILITIES, THE, THE ORANGE OR YELLOWS, THE NOT AS QUITE AS OLD AND A GREEN OR NEWER. AND AGAIN, NOT A SURPRISE, IT'S AROUND THE OLDER PART OF THE CITY OF HARTFORD, RIGHT? THAT DOWNTOWN AREA AND THE AREA SURROUNDING THAT. SO AGAIN, IF YOU'RE CHOOSING A ROAD THAT IS ALL THINGS CONSIDERED, SHOULD YOU DO ONE WITH AS A HUNDRED YEAR OLD SEWER AND WATER SYSTEM OR ONE THAT'S ONLY 40 YEARS OLD, LET'S DO THE ONE THAT'S A HUNDRED FIRST AND SAVE OURSELVES SOME MONEY BY NOT HAVING THOSE WATER MAIN BREAKS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. SO, UH, SO THE COMPUTER PROGRAM TAKES THAT INTO ACCOUNT TOO. UH, IT IT'S, IT'S QUITE A ROBUST PROGRAM. AND THEN WE HAVE A LITTLE, UM, BREAKOUT OF THAT AREA. AGAIN, IT DOESN'T HAVE THE ROAD NAMES LISTED, BUT IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE CITY OF HARTFORD, UM, AND THE CITY OF HARTFORD IS CERTAINLY FAMILIAR WITH THEIR OWN UTILITIES, UH, KINDA GET A LITTLE FLAVOR FOR WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. UM, BLOWN UP AREA. AND AGAIN, LIKE WE LOOKED AT AREAS OF, OF FAILURE. SO, UH, WORKING ON MAP SEVEN, YOU KNOW, WE WORK WITH THE WATER UTILITY AND UH, WHERE ARE THEIR PRIORITY AREAS AND THEY, THEY DO A GREAT JOB OVER THERE KEEPING TRACK OF HOW MANY WATER MAIN BREAKS THEY'VE HAD AND ALL THAT ISSUE OR MAYBE WATER PRESSURE PROBLEMS, WHATEVER, WHATEVER THEY, THEY HAVE. AND, AND SO WE PUT THAT INTO THE COMPUTER SYSTEM AS WELL. AND WE LOOK AT ROADWAY UTILITIES THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF ROADWAYS SO WE DON'T IGNORE THEM IN CASE A UTILITY WANTS TO KNOW HOW OLD THOSE ARE. SO THOSE ARE ACTUALLY ON THE DRAWING TOO. SO IF YOU SEE UTILITY, IT'S NOT IN A ROADWAY. WE DID THAT FOR THE UTILITIES, UH, ASSISTANCE. SO THEY KNOW THAT I DON'T WANT TO CONNECT A EIGHT A HUNDRED YEAR OLD WATER MAIN TO A 20-YEAR-OLD WATER MAIN TO A HUNDRED YEAR WATER MAIN AND SKIP ONE. UM, AND SO WE DID THAT AS WELL. SO WE GOT THE UTILITY AGE SUMMARY MAP THAT'S IN THERE. WE ALSO LOOKED AT FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AREAS. AGAIN, WE TALKED ABOUT IF YOU WANT TO REPAVE THE ROADWAY, BUT THERE'S GONNA BE THREE MORE SUBDIVISIONS COMING ON. YOU WANNA MAKE SURE YOU BUILD THAT, THE CORRECT WIDTH AND THICKNESS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. AND ALSO TRAFFIC VOLUMES. THEY MIGHT BE ON THOSE ROADWAYS. WE LOOKED FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AREAS THAT THAT COULD COME TO THE CITY. AGAIN, THIS IS THEIR ANTICIPATION OF WHAT COULD COME. NOT SAYING IT WILL HAPPEN, UH, BUT, BUT THAT POTENTIAL IS IS WHAT WHAT'S OUT THERE. UH, THEY ALSO INCLUDED THEIR, THEIR TAX INCREMENTAL FINANCE DISTRICTS IN THERE. UM, I GUESS THE WHOLE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, THEY'RE ALL LISTED. I'M NOT GONNA GO THROUGH ALL THOSE. UM, AND SO I'M JUST GONNA SCAN THROUGH. THEY, THEY ALSO WANTED TO INCLUDE THAT THEY RECENTLY ADOPTED THE A-T-V-U-T-V USE. SO WE WANTED TO INCLUDE THE, THE MAP OF, OF THOSE LOCATIONS IN THERE. 'CAUSE IT HAS TO DO WITH ROADWAYS, UH, BUT HAS VERY LITTLE IMPACT ABOUT WHICH ROADS YOU'RE GONNA DO. WE DID NOT PUT THAT INTO THE COMPUTER MODEL. UH, JUST TO BE FULL DISCLOSURE ON THAT. UH, THEN WE HAVE THE PAYMENT LIFECYCLE BECAUSE PART OF THE PROGRAM ALSO TAKES ACCOUNT MAINTENANCE ON YOUR ROADWAYS AND HOW MUCH YOU SHOULD SPEND ON MAINTENANCE AND WHEN THAT MAINTENANCE SHOULD BE DONE. NOW, WE DON'T INCLUDE A LOT OF THE TABLES IN THERE BECAUSE IT'S A LOT OF TABLES. UH, BUT BASICALLY IF YOU'RE, YOU'RE MAINTAINING YOUR ROAD AT THE BEGINNING, YOU CAN GET THAT PAYMENT TO LAST A LOT LONGER AND IT SAVES YOU MONEY IN THE LONG RUN. UM, IS IS WHAT THAT'S, UH, WHAT'S ALL ABOUT RIGHT THERE. AND WE WORK WITH THE, THE CITY OF HARTFORD TO GET THEIR, THEIR PROJECT COSTS. AND SO IT'S EACH INDIVIDUAL. SO THE A ROAD MIGHT COST DIFFERENTLY UP IN FARMINGTON VERSUS CITY OF WEST BEND VERSUS CITY OF HARTFORD, ALL THEIR STANDARDS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. SO WE GOT THEIR, THEIR INDIVIDUAL COST PER FOOT BASED ON PROJECTS. AS YOU CAN SEE IN THAT LITTLE CHART, WE INCLUDE AN INFLATION RATE ON THAT AS WELL. UH, THAT'S ADJUSTABLE. UH, IF THEY WANNA CHOOSE SIX, WE CAN PUT SIX IN THERE. IF THEY WANNA PUT TWO IN THERE, WE CAN PUT TWO IN THERE. IT, WE JUST WORK WITH THEM TO, TO PUT WHAT, WHAT RATE MIGHT BE AS WELL. AND LIKE I SAID, WE THROW THAT INTO THIS GIS UM, APPLICATION AND IT APPLICATION. UM, AND WE ACTUALLY, WHAT WE CAN DO IS WE CAN LOCK ROADS IN A CERTAIN YEAR. SO THEY KNOW THEY'VE GOT A FIVE YEAR CIP. SO THEY WANT TO SAY, LET'S LOCK THESE ROADS IN. UM, AGAIN, LIKE, JUST LIKE OUR CIP THAT YOU'LL SEE, THEY'LL REVIEW THEIR CIP EVERY, EVERY YEAR OR EVERY TWO YEARS AND THEY'LL MAKE CHANGES AND ADJUSTMENTS. AND THAT IS [00:40:01] A, A CRITICAL THING FOR THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND THAT EVEN THOUGH THIS DOCUMENT MAY SAY, HEY, YOUR ROAD'S GONNA BE DONE IN 2032, THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOUR ROADS CAN BE DONE IN 2032. THAT MEANS THE LIKELIHOOD, YEAH, IT'S RIGHT AROUND THERE, BUT WHEN YOU GET CLOSER TO 2032, ANOTHER ROAD MIGHT GET WORSE QUICKER. THERE ALSO COULD BE THAT ROAD HOLDS UP A LOT BETTER, RIGHT? YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AVERAGES AND YOU SAW THAT MAP, BUT THAT'S ALL OVER THE PLACE. IT WASN'T A PERFECT LINE, RIGHT? UH, WHEN YOU LOOK AT ALL THE DATA, AND SO IT'S JUST TRYING TO ESTIMATE, SAYING, YEP, WE, BASED ON THE VOLUME AND THE WATER MAIN AND THE SEWER, THIS IS WHEN WE THINK YOUR ROAD SHOULD BE DONE IN THE PLAN. UM, AND THAT'S ONE THING THAT SCARES MUNICIPALITIES THE MOST BECAUSE THEY'RE WORRIED ABOUT PEOPLE COMING WITH THIS PLAN FIVE YEARS FROM NOW AND GOING, YOU SAID MY ROAD WOULD BE DONE AND IT'S NOT. UH, AND WE JUST WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT IT IT'S A PLAN. IT'S REALLY THE HIGH LEVEL TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE FUNDING YOUR PLAN AND IT'S GONNA BE SUCCESSFUL GOING OUT FORWARD. AND AGAIN, YOU DON'T HAVE ALL OF A SUDDEN THE YEAR 2040 GOING, NOW WE GOT 50 MILES OF ROAD TO DO BECAUSE WE'VE ONLY BEEN DOING, YOU KNOW, A 10TH OF A MILE EVERY YEAR, RIGHT? SO IT'S MORE OF THE BIG PICTURE. BUT YOU'LL SEE COMING UP, WE GOT LOTS OF MAPS AND THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE WANNA, WANNA LOOK AT. AND THEN, UH, WE HAVE THEIR, THEIR SCHEDULED DOLLAR AMOUNTS THAT THEY TYPICALLY SPEND PER YEAR AND HOW MANY ALLEYS THEY DO. AND THEN, UH, ONE OF THE MORE IMPORTANT SPREADSHEETS THAT ARE UP THERE IS WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE THAT OUT UNTIL 2060, THEY'LL GET ABOUT 22 MILES OF ROAD SCHEDULED, UH, NOT SCHEDULED AS 51 MILES. AND THEN WHAT WE DO IS WE TAKE THAT GOING, IF YOUR AVERAGE ROAD LASTS 60 YEARS, IS THAT ENOUGH? AND THAT'S, THAT'S ANALYSIS WE'VE GOTTA WORK AT WITH, WITH THE CITY ON THAT AND LOOK AT THAT, UM, AND REALLY DIVE INTO THAT. YET WITH THEM, ONCE WE HAVE THE, THE, ALL THE MAPS COMPLETED, UH, WE, WE HAD A LITTLE GLITCH IN THE SYSTEM, UH, THAT WE'RE TRYING TO WORK OUT RIGHT NOW. UH, AND THAT WAS BECAUSE THE CITY SAID WE'RE SPENDING 900,000, BUT IN THEIR LOCKED ROADS IT'S MORE THAN 900,000. AND SO IT'S A COMPUTER PROGRAM DAY GOING, WELL, I GOT 900,000, 900,000, BUT YOU'RE SPENDING 1.2 MILLION. SO THEY DID THIS. IF THE COMPUTER PROGRAM SAVE THE MONEY FROM THE FOLLOWING LIKE THOSE YEARS OUT, LIKE IN 29 AND 20, 20, 29, 20 30, AND SAID, I'M USING THAT MONEY IN THE YEARS PRIOR TO IT, WELL WE ALL KNOW THAT DOESN'T WORK REAL WELL, BUT THAT'S WHAT THE COMPUTER PROGRAM DID. UM, BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T HAD A COMMUNITY LOCK THAT MANY ROADS IN FOR THE FIRST COUPLE YEARS. SO WE HAVE A LITTLE GLITCH HERE, WE'LL GET THAT STRAIGHTENED OUT, UM, AND THEN GET THAT THAT FIGURED OUT AND THAT'S WHEN WE'LL, WE'LL FINALIZE THE MAPS WITH THE, WITH THE CITY. AND WHAT YOU SEE NEXT IS A, A NICE OVERALL STREET MAP. IT'S GOT A WHOLE LOT OF COLORS ON IT. UM, AND ONE THING ALSO WE GOTTA WORK WITH, WITH THE CITY ON YET ONCE WE FINALIZE THAT LITTLE GLITCH IS I'LL, I'LL JUST PICK ON, ON THIS ROADWAY THAT'S HERE. UM, THAT THE PURPLE MIGHT BE IN 2030 AND THAT ROADWAY MIGHT BE IN 2031 AND THAT ONE MIGHT BE IN 2032. IT MIGHT MAKE MORE SENSE TO DO 'EM ALL AT ONE TIME. THE COMPUTER PROGRAM ISN'T SMART ENOUGH TO SAY, OH LOOK, THAT STRETCH OF ROADWAY, I SHOULD DO THAT ONE YEAR, THAT ANOTHER YEAR, THAT ANOTHER YEAR. IT'S NOT SMART ENOUGH TO FIGURE OUT I SHOULD MAYBE BUNDLE THOSE TOGETHER. IT'S ALSO NOT SMART ENOUGH TO KNOW WHICH WAY THE SEWER GOES. AND WHEN YOU WANNA DO A SEWER PROJECT, YOU WANNA START AT THE LOWER END FIRST AND THEN WORK YOUR WAY UP. IT ALSO DOESN'T KNOW EXACTLY WHICH STRETCH, STRETCH OF, UM, WATER MAIN MIGHT BE MORE IMPORTANT TO THEM TO DO, UH, FIRST OR SHOULD WE ALL BE DONE AS ONE BIG BLOCK. SO YOU CAN SEE A LOT OF THOSE AND THAT'S WHEN WE'LL LOCK THOSE ROADS TOGETHER. UH, WE DID IT OVER HERE WHEN THEY'RE 20, 25 I THINK ONE OF THEIR PROJECTS. SO WE SAID THAT'S THE ROAD SEGMENT. THAT'S THE ROAD SEGMENT, THAT'S THE ROAD SEGMENT. LET'S MERGE THOSE TOGETHER AND DO 'EM ALL AT ONE AS ONE PROJECT. SO THAT'S ONE THING WE HAVE TO DO WITH THE, THE CITY YET. AND I'LL PICK ON, UH, CEDAR THAT'S DOWN HERE. IT COMES, GOES TOWARDS THE HIGH SCHOOL, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALL SUPPOSED TO BE DONE, BUT THERE'S SOME, GOTTA BE SOME LOGIC BEHIND IT TOO, GOING, OKAY, THIS IS A SEGMENT WE SHOULD DO FIRST AND HOW MUCH CAN WE ACTUALLY BITE OFF AT ONE TIME AND UPSET THE CITIZENS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. SO THERE'S STILL SOME WORK TO BE DONE. UM, ON THE BACK END OF THIS, UM, I'D SAY WE'RE PROBABLY AT THAT 90, 95% RANGE RIGHT NOW. UH, WE'RE, WE'RE REALLY CLOSE AS YOU CAN TELL, AND THEY'RE NOT GONNA GO THROUGH INDIVIDUAL MAPS, BUT AGAIN, THAT'S WHAT THEY HAD PREDICTED IN 25, YOU KNOW, IN 27, 20 29. AGAIN WE HAD THAT, THAT GLITCH DIDN'T HAVE ANY ROADS DONE. AND THEN OUT AND ONWARD, THE OTHER STRETCHED ROADWAY. SO WE GO THROUGH, WE HAVE ALL THE, THE MAPS THAT ARE IN THERE. AGAIN, I'M NOT GONNA SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON THOSE 'CAUSE THEY WILL BE CHANGING. UH, THEN WE HAVE THE FUTURE IMPROVEMENTS TO KIND OF LAY THEM ALL OUT, UH, BY EVERY FIVE YEARS TO KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SPENDING ON SEWER WATER AND THE SURFACE OF THE ROADWAY. UH, AND THEN WE TALK ABOUT FUNDING OF THE PLAN, UH, AND HOW THEY, HOW THEY ACTUALLY FUND THAT PLAN AND WHAT FUNDS THEY ACTUALLY UTILIZE FOR THOSE PLANS. AND THEN HOW MUCH WE ACTUALLY FUND TO ALLOCATE. AND THAT'S WHERE ON THIS ALLOCATION, IF THEY WANNA, WE CAN PUT IN THAT PROGRAM. IF YOU BORROW $5 MILLION IN 2025, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? HOW MANY NOW MILES A ROAD CAN YOU DO IF YOU BORROW $2 MILLION EVERY THIRD YEAR? WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? AND WE CAN REALLY START PLAYING WITH THAT, WITH THEIR ADMINISTRATION OR STAFF AND GOING, ALRIGHT, THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE GONNA ACCOMPLISH IF YOU JUST DO THESE COUPLE [00:45:01] LITTLE THINGS, THE BEGINNING OF THE PLANNER OR THROUGHOUT THE PLAN VERSUS JUST 900,000 PER YEAR. YOU'LL ALSO NOTICE, UH, WE HAD THAT BUTTON I TALKED ABOUT BEFORE FOR INFLATION. ONE THING THIS PUBLIC WORKS COMMITTEE DID MANY YEARS AGO UNDER JOHN BULL'S WATCH IS THAT THE AMOUNT OF FUNDS THE COUNTY HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT'S GETTING FOR ROW EVERY YEAR WAS ADJUSTED TO INFLATION. 3% PER YEAR. IT JUST WENT UP, RIGHT? BECAUSE HE KNEW THAT OUR PROJECT COSTS WERE GOING UP 3% PER YEAR. WELL, THE CITY DID SAYING WE KNOW THE PRODUCTS ARE GOING UP 3% EVERY YEAR, SO THEY AT 3% FOR THE COST OF THE PRODUCTS EVERY YEAR, BUT THEY KEPT THE BUDGET AT 900,000 EVERY YEAR, RIGHT? SO THAT GAP JUST KEEPS GETTING WIDER AND WIDER. NOW IF YOU ADJUST IT FOR INFLATION, THEN YOU GET A COUPLE MORE ROADS DONE. SO THAT'S ONE THING WE'D SHOW THEM TOO, GOING, IF YOU DECIDE TO DO BOTH KEEP IT, THEN YOU BASICALLY KEEP THAT SAME TRAJECTORY. SO THAT'S ONE THING THEY GOTTA LOOK AT AS WELL, BECAUSE UH, THE ODDS OF THEM STILL SPENDING ONLY 900,000 IN 26, YOU CAN MATCH YOUR DOLLARS, MOST LIKELY NOT GONNA GO AS FAR AS IT IS IN 20, 30, 30 YEARS PRIOR, RIGHT? I THINK WE ALL UNDERSTAND THAT LOGIC, RIGHT? SO THAT WAS THEIR TAKE ON IT FIRST. BUT IF YOU DID IT THE MATH THE OTHER WAY AND THAT COMPUTER PROGRAM'S CERTAINLY ABLE TO DO THAT, UH, RIGHT NOW THEY'RE BEING ULTRA CONSERVATIVE SAYING 900,000 EVERY YEAR FOR THE NEXT 30 YEARS BASICALLY. SO THAT'S ONE THING THAT THE COMPUTER PROGRAM CAN DO AND WE CAN, WE SIT DOWN, WE WORK WITH THEM GOING ALRIGHT, THAT WAY THEY CAN LATER ON IF THEY GOTTA GO AND NEED TO GO BORROW FUNDS, WE CAN USE THE APPLICATION AND, AND MAKE THE CASE. SO WE'RE BORROWING BECAUSE NOW LOOK, WE'RE GETTING DONE IN THE LONG RUN, RIGHT? AND LONG LOOK AT THE LONG TERM PICTURE, NOT JUST LOOK AT THE NEXT THREE YEARS, FOUR YEARS, BUT LET'S LOOK 20 YEARS, 30, 40 YEARS OUT AND AND SEE HOW WE'RE, WE'RE IMPACTING OUR ROADWAYS IN THE, IN THE, IN THE CITY OF HARTFORD IN THIS INSTANCE. AND WE GIVE 'EM SOME DIFFERENT FUNDING OPTIONS THAT THEY COULD POSSIBLY, YOU KNOW, TAKE ADVANTAGE OF, UM, GOING FORWARD. THEIR GENERAL TRANSPORTATION AID AND EARMARKS AND WHEEL TECHS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF, UM, THAT THEY COULD DO. AGAIN, WE HAVE A SHORT SYNOPSIS OF, UM, WHAT THEY'D HAVE TO DO. AGAIN, WE GOTTA FINALIZE THAT YET IT'S STILL IN DRAFT FORMAT, UH, SAME SCHEDULE AND THEN ANOTHER SPREADSHEET ON THAT. AGAIN, THE ROADS THAT ARE GONNA BE DONE WITH THE CURRENT LEVEL OF FUNDING, THAT'S WHERE IF THEY WANT TO HAVE THE CURRENT LEVEL OF FUNDING IN THIS PLAN AND SAYING, HEY, LET'S ALSO BORROW $2 MILLION EVERY OTHER YEAR. WE CAN HAVE ANOTHER SPREADSHEET RIGHT BELOW THIS AND SAYING, IF YOU DID OPTION B, THIS IS WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE IF HAD OPTION C. THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE. THE ELECTED OFFICIALS CAN USE THIS AS A, AS A TOOL TO SEE, YOU KNOW, IF WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS SUCCESSFUL OR WHAT THEY SHOULD DO MAYBE MORE, UM, OR LESS. AND THEN OF COURSE WE LIST EVERY ROAD THAT'S IN THE PROJECT DOWN BELOW A NICE, UH, NICE LONG SPREADSHEET, UM, AS WELL. SO IF YOU WANNA KNOW PARTICULAR YOUR YEARS AND HOW MUCH IT'S GONNA COST AND STUFF LIKE THAT IS IS IN THE PLAN. AND AT THE VERY END, UH, WE DO AN EXECUTIVE SUMMARY BECAUSE IT ENDS UP BEING, UM, AND WE, BEFORE I GLOSS OVER THAT IS WE DO HAVE A BUNCH OF POLICY DECISIONS IN THERE TOO FOR THAT AND TO LOOK AT AND, AND TO CONSIDER AND, YOU KNOW, WHERE DO THEY PUT THEIR ROAD SYSTEM ON THEIR PRIORITIZATION LIST AND HOW IMPORTANT IT'S TO FUND YOUR SEW AND WATER SYSTEM AND STUFF. LIKE A LOT OF INFORMATION IN THERE. UH, SO YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF GOOD QUESTIONS IN THERE THAT THE, THE CITY COUNCIL CAN, CAN ASK THEMSELF TO, TO HELP DETERMINE, UH, WHAT LEVEL OF FUNDING, UH, IS ACTUALLY NEEDED AT THE CITY LEVEL. UH, POLICY QUESTIONS LIKE IS IT TWO ALLEYS PER YEAR OR IS IT ONE, YOU KNOW, ARE THE, ARE THE THE COUNCIL PEOPLE GETTING A LOT OF PHONE CALLS ON ALLEYS OR NOT A ONE? SO THAT'S JUST SOME POLICY DECISIONS THAT, YOU KNOW, STAFF THAT I WORK WITH STAFF, THEY CAN, THEIR BEST GUESS, BUT IT'S REALLY THE POLICY DECIDERS WHO SHOULD DECIDE, WELL MAYBE WE SHOULD DO TWO ALLEYS A YEAR, RIGHT? IF WE'RE GETTING A LOT OF COMPLAINTS ON THAT FROM THEIR CONSTITUENTS, MAYBE ONE IS GREAT AND THAT'S WHAT THE PROGRAM CAN LOOK AT AND GOING, HOW OFTEN THEY ACTUALLY GET DONE AND HOW MANY YOU CAN DO. UH, SO AGAIN, A LOT OF GOOD QUESTIONS THERE. THEN LIKE I SAID, WE GOT A A, A TWO PAGE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY AT THE END. 'CAUSE WE REALIZE THAT AFTER, YOU KNOW, 45 PAGES, THEY MIGHT NOT BE INTERESTED IN READING ALL OF THAT. UH, AND SO IT'S A NICE THING THEY CAN PUT ON THEIR WEBSITE AS A, A QUICK SUMMARY FOR, FOR THE, UH, RESIDENTS IN THE CITY OF HARTFORD, UM, AS WELL AS ANYBODY THAT DOESN'T WANNA READ ALL 45 PAGES, GIVE A LITTLE A SHORT LITTLE BRIEF WINDOW AND WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE. AND THAT'S THE END PLAN, LIKE I SAID, I WANT TO EMPHASIZE, UH, THAT THIS IS A, A DRAFT PLAN FOR THE CITY OF HARTFORD. WE STILL GOTTA FINALIZE IT WITH STAFF BEFORE IT GOES TO, BEFORE THEIR, THEIR COUNCIL. WE'RE, WE'RE HOPEFUL THAT THEY'LL TAKE IT BEFORE THEIR COUNCIL, UH, TO REVIEW IT AND, AND APPROVE IT LIKE WE'VE DONE WITH THE OTHER, UH, TRANSPORTATION PLANS. UH, IT MIGHT NOT BE IN THEIR DECEMBER MEETING. DEPENDS ON, THERE'S A LOT OF HOLIDAYS COMING UP RIGHT NOW, ESPECIALLY THE DEER HUNTING HOLIDAY. UM, AND SO IT MIGHT NOT BE TILL AFTER THE FIRST OF THE YEAR, BUT WE WANT TO GET THIS IN FRONT OF YOUR HAND AND YOUR EYES RIGHT NOW TO, TO SEE WHAT WE'RE DOING BEHIND THE SCENES AND, UH, DO IT FOR THEM. I KNOW YOU'VE SEEN THE INTERSECTION SAFETY PLAN AND THE ROADWAY PLAN. THIS IS ANOTHER ONE THAT WE'RE DOING IN-HOUSE, UH, AT NO COST TO THE, TO THE CITIES OR VILLAGES OR TOWNS. UH, AND SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO GET THIS IN, IN FRONT OF YOU AS WELL. AND [00:50:01] WE LOOKED AT THIS MEETING AGENDA AND WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT'S COMING IN JANUARY, FEBRUARY, MARCH, BUT THOUGHT WE HAD SOME TIME THIS MONTH TO, TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT. AND WITH THAT MR. CHAIR, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT, UH, YEAH, I ACTUALLY, UH, HAVE A COUPLE QUICK QUESTIONS FOR YOU. SO, I MEAN, THIS IS AN AWESOME GUIDE, RIGHT? TO ANYBODY, ANYBODY WHO'S ON, UM, ANY COMMITTEE OR ANYTHING CAN LOOK AT THIS AND KIND OF SAY, WOW, THIS IS GONNA BE EXPENSIVE, BUT THIS IS WHAT'S REQUIRED TO KEEP OUR ROADS GOING. UH, AND I'M GLAD YOU TOUCHED BASE ON THE INFLATION PART OF IT, UH, THE 3%. UM, HOW OFTEN HAVE YOU, LIKE FOR INSTANCE, WE HAVE OUR 2015 NOW WE'RE GONNA EXTEND IT TO 2060. YEP. IT'S KIND OF HARD TO LOOK OUT TO SEE WHAT INFLATION'S GONNA BE OVER THAT TIME. HAS THERE BEEN ANY TWEAKS OR IS 3% A PRETTY GOOD AVERAGE OVERALL? BECAUSE SOME YEARS MIGHT BE ONLY 2%, BUT THEN YOU GET LIKE AN 8% LIKE WE HAD A COUPLE YEARS AGO. IT JUST CATCHES UP REAL QUICK. RIGHT. THE GREAT THING ON THAT IS I USE OUR FINANCE DEPARTMENT AND THEY GIMME THE NUMBER . UH, I, I DON'T HAVE A CRYSTAL BALL AND, AND THEY DON'T HAVE A CRYSTAL BALL. UH, 3% HAS BEEN HISTORICAL. MM-HMM. , I MEAN, YES, WE ARE CERTAINLY GUESSTIMATING OUT JUST A FEW YEARS. AND IF YOU GO OUT 20 YEARS, YEAH, WE'RE GOING A DOUBT AT THE BOARD AND JUST SAYING 3% GOING FORWARD. UH, WE CERTAINLY HAVE THE CAPABILITY TO PUT DIFFERENT NUMBERS IN FOR DIFFERENT YEARS. WE COULD DO 3, 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 2, 2, 2. BUT I MEAN, YOU'RE, YOU'RE JUST GUESSING AT THAT POINT, YOU KNOW, THAT MANY YEARS OUT, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WOULD'VE GUESSED A COUPLE YEARS AGO THAT WE'D HAVE WHAT WE DID. YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD TO PREDICT OUT THAT FAR. SO IF IT DOES HAPPEN, THEN YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S, YOU JUST BRING THAT BACK TO THE COMMITTEE AND BOARD AND GOING, BECAUSE THEY'LL, YOU'LL ALL KNOW IF WE HAVE AN 8% YEAR AGAIN RIGHT. THAT IT'S NOT GONNA BE HIDDEN, IT'S NOT GONNA BE A SURPRISE TO YOU AND GO, YEAH, WE HAD 8% AND IT IMPACTED US, YOU KNOW, THIS WAY AND THAT WAY. SO, UM, RIGHT NOW ALL WE CAN DO IS JUST GUESS. AND I, IF WHEN WE DO OUR 2060 PLAN AND, AND COMING FORWARD TO THE BOARD EARLY NEXT YEAR, IF YOU SO CHOOSE, YOU WANT ME TO SHOW 4% IN THERE? OKAY. IT SURE. IT'S GONE. IT'S, IT'S A NUMBER FOR ME. YEAH. SO YEAH, HISTORICAL IS 3%. I, IT'S FAIR. SURE. WHO KNOWS WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IN THIS NEXT FOUR YEARS? INFLATION GO DOWN AND THINGS CHANGE. AGAIN, HISTORICAL IS 3%. MM-HMM. . YEAH. YEP. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, SUPERVISOR? ICK. AS THE CITY OF HARTFORD, GE, SCOTT, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR YOU. SURE. SO THIS IS SORT OF A HIGH, UH, YOU KNOW, LIKE A, YOU KNOW, A A 10,000 FOOT VIEW THING. SO FIRST OF ALL, THIS IS A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT. YES. SO, SO YOU DON'T, SO, SO YOU OR GUYS LIKE DARRON, SO THEY ALL WORKED AND THEY'RE GONNA BRING THIS BEFORE THE COMMON COUNCIL. THAT'S THE NEXT STEP ON THIS. WE, WE HOPE SO, YES. AGAIN, WE DON'T CONTROL THAT. CORRECT. AT SOME, CORRECT. YES. AT SOME POINT, YES. OKAY. UM, SO THEN THE SECOND QUESTION IS, UH, ON PAGE FOUR, WHEN THEY'RE LOOKING, UH, AND YOU'RE NOTING THE PAGER RATINGS, UH, FOR THE CITY, IN YOUR OPINION, IF YOU LOOKED AT THAT FOR A MUNICIPALITY, HOW DOES THAT SEEM TO YOU? DOES IT SEEM THAT THAT'S, AM I IN THE 50 PERCENTILE? AM I YOU'RE DOING VERY WELL. I'M DOING VERY WELL. SO WITH THOSE PACE RATINGS COMPARED TO THE THREE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES THAT WE'VE DONE SO FAR. OKAY. THE CITY OF HARTFORD, UH, VILLAGE OF KIO AND TOWN OF FARMINGTON, YES. YOU'RE, YOU'RE DOING VERY WELL. ALRIGHT. AND THEN ANOTHER QUESTION WOULD BE, UH, AND THIS IS A, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER ONE I WOULD, YOU KNOW, I WOULD JUST ASK YOU DO, DO YOU THINK THE CITY OF HARTFORD WITH REGARD TO SOME OF THESE ALTERNATIVE FUNDING SOURCES? SO STATE GRANTS, FEDERAL GRANTS, WE, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, ARPA, THAT SHIP MAY HAVE SAILED, BUT THERE'S OTHERS. ARE WE, ARE WE, UM, UH, PURSUING THOSE? UH, YOU, YOU HAVE HISTORICALLY WE HAVE, I, I DON'T WANNA SAY RIGHT NOW TODAY, UH, BUT YES, YOU'VE BEEN ACTIVELY LOOKING FOR THE STP FUNDS AND THE FED FUNDS AND I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH PREVIOUS VILLAGE ENGINEERS. OKAY. EXCUSE ME. CITY ENGINEERS. YEAH. UM, ON MAKE SURE THEY GET THE FUNDING. AND A COUPLE OF THOSE THINGS ARE LISTED IN THERE, THE L REP AND STUFF LIKE THAT. AND, UH, THEY ACTUALLY JUST, UH, RECEIVED SOME STATE FUNDING FOR INDEPENDENCE AVENUE. UM, YEAH. OKAY. OUT IN INDUSTRIAL PARK FOR INSTANCE. OH, OKAY. I FORGET THE DOLLAR AMOUNT. I APOLOGIZE. BUT I THINK IT WAS OVER A MILLION, UM, OR SOMETHING RIGHT AROUND THERE THAT THEY RECEIVED. WHAT WAS THAT FROM STAFF? DO YOU REMEMBER? YEAH, THAT'S PART OF THE STP PROGRAM. OKAY. UH, THAT'S THE ONE THAT YOU KNOW IN HERE, CORRECT? YEP. IS THAT YEP. IS A STATE, THAT'S A STATE PROGRAM. IT IS A STATE PROGRAM. THE FEDERAL MONEY GIVES FEDERAL MONEY DOWN TO THE STATE. THE STATE GETS TO DECIDE HOW TO DISTRIBUTE THAT. UH, WE WERE IN OUR OWN, UH, LITTLE WORLD IF YOU WILL. WE WERE CALLED THE WEST BEND URBANIZED DISTRICT AND WE GOT SEVERAL MILLION DOLLARS TO DIVIDE UP BETWEEN THE CITY OF WEST BEND, WASHINGTON COUNTY, VILLAGE OF SLINGER, VILLAGE OF JACKSON, CITY OF HARTFORD, AS WELL AS THE MUNICIPALITIES THAT KIND OF CONNECT THOSE, THE [00:55:01] TOWNS THAT CONNECT THOSE. UNFORTUNATELY WITH THE 2020 CENSUS, UH, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DECIDED TO CHANGE THE RULES. UM, AND THEN WE NO LONGER HAVE OUR OWN DEDICATED POT OF FUND POT OF MONEY FOR THAT AREA. AND SO WE ARE NOW WITH THE WHOLE STATEWIDE SELECTION COMMITTEE ON THAT. AND SO NOW IF I WANNA APPLY FOR THAT SAME FUNDS OR THE CITY DOES IN THE FUTURE, YOU'RE NOW COMPETING STATEWIDE FOR THAT, THAT FUND. AND I HAVE MY OWN COMMENTARY ON WHY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DID THAT. UM, WE ALSO LOST OUT OF THE MILWAUKEE URBANIZED AREA. WE WERE IN THAT POT OF MONEY TOO. UH, WHAT THEY DID, THEY REALIZED IS THAT WITH THE 2010 CENSUS, UH, THAT THEY WERE ABLE TO EXPAND OUT INTO SUBURBAN AREAS TO INCLUDE THEM IN THAT POT OF MONEY JUST LIKE OURS. THEY ABLE TO, WHAT THEY CALLED HOP, SKIP, AND JUMP TO GRAB OTHER COMMUNITIES TO GET THESE URBANIZED AREA. AND UH, I THINK THEY DID NOT WANT ALL THE SUBURBAN AREAS TO HAVE ALL THE FUNDING. AND SO THEY GOT RID OF A LOT OF THEM. AND SO NOW, LIKE THE CITY OF MILWAUKEE GETS A LOT OF THE FUNDING BECAUSE YOU TAKE AWAY THE VILLAGE OF GERMANTOWN, VILLAGE OF RICHFIELD, WASHINGTON COUNTY OUT OF THAT FUND, THE POT OF MONEY DOESN'T GO DOWN. IT'S JUST A LOT OF THE SUBURBS ARE NO LONGER PART OF THAT PROCESS. CORRECT. UM, SO I KNOW IT WAS REALLY BIG IN LIKE THE ATLANTA AREA AND STUFF LIKE THAT, THAT A LOT OF THEIR SUBURBS ARE NO LONGER INCLUDED IN THAT. AND SO IT'S JUST A WAY TO REDISTRIBUTE THE FUNDS AT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT LEVEL MORE INTO THE, THE LARGER URBAN AREAS AND LESS THAN TO THE SUBURBS. CORRECT. RURAL. YEP. SO, WELL THE NEXT CENSUS COMES UP AND WE'LL SEE WHO'S IN THE, THE CHAIR OUT IN WASHINGTON DC AND IF THE RULES CHANGE BACK, ONE CAN ONLY HOPE , UH, THE CURRENT, CURRENT ONE WON'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE. 'CAUSE UH, THAT RULES ALREADY BEEN SET FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS. SO WE HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL 2033 OOF. FOR 2030 CENSUS. SO WAS EVER IN OFFICE AT THAT TIME. THEY'LL MAKE THE RULES. WELL, I APPRECIATE THE FEEDBACK. THANKS. CURRENTLY TAKE ME BACK. DID WE MOTION ON THIS ONE? IT WAS JUST A DISCUSSION DRAFT. I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S ANYTHING, THIS IS JUST A DISCUSSION ITEM, RIGHT? IT WAS, YES. AND I THINK YOU DID TAKE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR. DID I TAKE A MOTION? WE DON'T HAVE TO TAKE A VOTE THEN, RIGHT? NO. GOOD. I'M NOT THE PARLIAMENTARIAN. ALRIGHT, LET'S NOT TAKE A VOTE. WE JUST ALL, WE PUT A THUMBS UP ON THIS ONE, LET'S JUST SAY THAT. AND WE WOULD LIKE TO BRING, ONCE THE TOWN OF FARMINGTON'S IS, IS NEAR COMPLETE, WE'LL BRING THAT ONE BACK. IT OBVIOUSLY WITH GOING THROUGH THE WHOLE DISCUSSION TODAY, THAT WOULD BE A MUCH SHORTER DISCUSSION. UM, BUT JUST TO GO AND GO THROUGH THEIR PLANS. 'CAUSE HAVING A RURAL ONE IS, IS DIFFERENT THAN THE ONE IN THE CITY. SO I WOULD BE INTERESTED AS WE COMPLETE THESE FOR ALL THE DIFFERENT TOWNSHIPS AND STUFF TO KNOW WHO IS IN, IN THE WORST POSITIONS. AND THE REASON I, I, I'M NOT SAYING THAT TO PICK ON ANYBODY. MM-HMM. . BUT, YOU KNOW, IN MY CONVERSATIONS, FOR INSTANCE, WITH THE TOWN OF WAYNE, THEY ARE STRAPPED FOR CASH. SURE. THEY HAVE NOTHING BUT FARMERS. MM-HMM. , YOU KNOW, BIG BLOCKS OF FARMS. SO THEIR TAX BASE IS VERY LOW, BUT YET THEY STILL HAVE ROADS AND BRIDGES AND STUFF. THEY HAVE. SO IF THEY HAVE ONE ROAD PROJECT, THEY GOTTA BORROW MONEY, EVEN IF IT'S 400,000. 'CAUSE THEIR BUDGET IS SO LOW. SMALL. MM-HMM. . SO IT'D BE INTERESTING TO KNOW WHICH ONES ARE HURTING THE MOST. I GUESS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'LL GAIN OUT OF IT, BUT IT'D JUST BE INTERESTING TO KNOW WHERE. I APPRECIATE IT. ALRIGHT, WITH THAT BEING UH, SAID, NOBODY ELSE HAS ANY COMMENTS. UH, NEXT MEETING DATE IS THURSDAY, DECEMBER 19TH, 2024. THREE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR, FOR BEING HERE. PEOPLE WE'RE ADJOURNED. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.