* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:08] I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER OF THE, UH, LAND USE AND PLANNING COMMITTEE. UM, THIS MEETING IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AND HAS BEEN DULY NOTIFIED BY THE, UH, CLERK'S OFFICE, UH, WITHIN OUR PAPERS AND RADIO AND WHATNOT THAT THEY DO. UM, SO PLEASE RISE AND LET'S, UH, SAY THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC OF WHICH STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVIDUAL WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO WE HAVE, UH, SUPERVISOR PRIDE MOORE IS IS ON, UH, ZOOM WITH US TODAY. UM, AND WE WISH DON WELL, I HOPE HE'S DOING WELL. YOU LET HIM KNOW THAT I'M PRAYING FOR HIM AND WE ALL ARE. I HOPE HE'S DOING BETTER. UM, AND, UH, SUPERVISOR CONRAD IS EXCUSED, BUT WE DO HAVE A QUORUM, SO WE WILL PROCEED FIRST. ARE THERE ANY, UH, WE HAVE THE MINUTES POSTED. ARE THERE ANY CHANGES OR THINGS THAT NEED TO BE DONE? SEEING NONE, I WILL CONSIDER THEM ACCEPTED. UH, FIRST ITEM, UH, ON THE DISCUSSION LIST IS REGISTER OF DEEDS QUARTERLY REPORT. AND FOR THAT WE'LL HAVE OUR NEW [a. Register of Deeds Quarterly Report] REGISTER OF DEEDS SOON TO BE LISA BUDDHIST. RIGHT. UM, SO AS YOU SAY, I'M LISA BUDDHIST FROM NEW, UM, REGISTER OF DEEDS. THE LEFT. DID YOU? NO, THERE WE GO. OH, SORRY. ALL NEW TO ME. . CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? OKAY. SO I AM LISA ISH. I AM THE REGISTER OF DEEDS ELECT, UM, AND I AM PRESENTING FOR, UH, THE REGISTER OF DEEDS OFFICE AND OUR REPORTS ON PAGE FIVE THROUGH EIGHT OF THE AGENDA. UM, I HOPE YOU HAD TIME TO REVIEW, UM, THOSE, THOSE INFORMATIONAL SHEETS. AND ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THOSE? NOAM? OKAY, THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SHARING USUALLY WASN'T THAT QUICK. YEAH, IT'S KIND OF DIFFERENT. I GUESS IT'S A, THERE'S A NEW WORLD OUT THERE, . OKAY. UH, LET'S SEE. [b. Cost Share Contracts – LWRM_24-07 Two Ponies, LLC; LWRM_24-08 Linda L. Stauss Revocable Trust; LWRM-24- 09 RASF Properties, LLC] WE HAVE, UH, COST SHARE CONTRACTS. UH, JAMIE, WILL YOU BE PRESENTING ON THAT OR IS THERE SOMETHING THERE ARE QUESTIONS I CAN OKAY. TRY TO ANSWER THEM. SO WE'LL JUST GO THROUGH QUESTIONS ON THAT. IT'S SOMETHING WE'VE DONE BEFORE. IT'S TO MORE OR LESS PASS THROUGH ITEMS. UM, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? ANY ACTION REQUIRED? UH, I DO NOT BELIEVE SO. I THINK THAT'S JUST, UH, UH, DISCUSSION ITEM, POSSIBLE ACTION. WE DON'T NEED ACTION ON THAT, DO WE? NO, THAT'S WHAT I DIDN'T THINK SO. ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON. I'M GONNA MAKE A LITTLE BIT OF A CHANGE. UH, WE'RE GONNA MOVE TO D RESOLUTION GRANT APPLICATION, UH, WISCONSIN DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION. UH, THIS IS THE ITEM THAT WE'VE BEEN POSTPONING FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS, [d. 2024 Resolution – Grant Application – Wisconsin Department of Transportation (WisDOT) - Bikeway and Trail Infrastructure on Holy Hill Road] UH, BECAUSE IT WAS NOT QUITE FINISHED UP. UM, AND, AND, UH, IT ACTUALLY HAPPENS. SO WHAT WAS GOING ON, AND I BELIEVE IN TRANSPARENCY. I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS IT, THAT, UH, UM, WITH THE BRIDGE AT HOLY HILL ROAD BEING REPLACED, UH, THERE WAS AN ATTEMPT TO PUT A CONNECTING TRAIL, UH, FROM, UH, GERMANTOWN OVER TO RICHFIELD. AND, UH, WE HAD SOME DIFFICULTIES, UH, UH, APPROPRIATING THE LAND THAT WOULD BE NECESSARY TO DO THAT. UH, UNFORTUNATELY THE LANDOWNERS, UH, WEREN'T REALLY COOPERATIVE AND, AND, UM, I DON'T REALLY SEE A NEED TO, UH, UH, PUSH THE ITEM, YOU KNOW, UH, CERTAINLY WE WANNA KEEP THIS PROJECT ON TRACK. SO, UH, WITH THAT, I GUESS WHAT, UH, WE WOULD DO, OR, OR WHAT WE'RE WANTING TO DO IS ENTERTAIN A MOTION, UH, TO POSTPONE INDEFINITELY, UH, WHICH WOULD KEEP, UH, WOULD KIND OF LOSE THE TRAIL AND KEEP THE, UH, BRIDGE INTACT. SO IF ANYBODY'D LIKE TO OFFER UP A MOTION TO POSTPONE INDEFINITELY, [00:05:01] I WOULD SO MOVE FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES. MOVE. I'LL SECOND MOVE BY CAROL MARY, SECONDED BY BRIAN KREBS. AND DISCUSSION QUESTIONS. SO THE MOVE TO POSTPONE INDEFINITELY, IS THIS ANTICIPATED THAT WE WOULD TRY TO BRING THIS UP AT A FUTURE MEDIA DATE WHEN LANDOWNERS MIGHT BE MORE OPEN TO IT, OR WHAT'S THE LONG TERM EFFECTIVELY? I THINK IT WOULD PRETTY MUCH KILL THE, UH, THAT PORTION OF THIS PROJECT, THE TRAIL PROJECT, BUT I, I'M NOT SURE AS FAR AS IF THE BRIDGE WOULD ACCOMMODATE IT FOR FUTURE. SO I'LL LEAVE THAT TO MS. LUDWIG TO ANSWER THAT. SURE. SO THERE IS INTEREST IN, FROM THE VILLAGE OF RICHFIELD IN A FUTURE SIDEWALK OR MULTI-USE PATH, IN THIS CASE, IN THIS LOCATION. UM, THERE IS NOT A DESIRE TO DELAY THE HIGHWAY PROJECT OR THE BRIDGE PROJECT FOR, UM, UNCERTAINTY. IF WE WOULD KNOW IF THE TWO LAND OWNERS WOULD SELL THE PROPERTY OR NOT, IT WOULD, THEY WOULD NEED TO WILLINGLY SELL. WE GOT A, UM, RESPONSE LESS THAN FAVORABLE. AND SO IN APPLYING FOR THE GRANTS TO FUND THE PATH, UM, THEY WOULD NEED TO START DESIGNING IT, AND WE WOULD HAVE TO PAY THAT WITH THE RISK OF NOT UNDERSTANDING IF THE LANDOWNERS WOULD BE WILLING TO SELL. SO THE POSTPONING THIS RESOLUTION INDEFINITELY, UM, I GUESS IT WOULD BE FORESEEABLE THAT THERE COULD BE SOME SORT OF A GRANT APPLICATION IN THE FUTURE? IF THAT'S THE QUESTION. UM, I GUESS I WOULD ALMOST HAVE TO DEFER TO LEGAL ON IF THEY COULD BRING BACK THE RESOLUTION. IT WOULD NOT BE IN THE NEAR TERM. I BELIEVE IT WOULD BE WHEN THE LI CURRENT HOUSE IS IN QUESTION CONVERT TO A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY OR, UM, DEVELOP PER THE VILLAGE OF RICHFIELD'S PLANNING. UM, BECAUSE THESE TWO PROPERTIES ARE ON KIND OF THE MAIN CORRIDOR ACROSS FROM, UM, OPPENHEIMER'S GARAGE, IF YOU KNOW WHERE THAT IS. SO THEY LONG TERM MAY OR MAY NOT REMAIN RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES. MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES CHAIRMAN SCHS LIFE. I BELIEVE IF WE POSTPONE INDEFINITELY, THAT KILLS IT FOR THIS SESSION. BUT THIS SESSION IS UP IN ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF, AND I DON'T THINK THIS PROJECT'S GONNA HAPPEN UNTIL 26 ANYWAY. CORRECT. THAT WAS THE COURSE OF ACTION WE DISCUSSED FOR THE TIME BEING. UM, AND I DO, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE WOULD, IF THERE WAS A NEED, IT COULD POTENTIALLY BE IN SOME SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM, OR WE WOULD HAVE THAT DISCUSSION BECAUSE THAT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION WE TALKED ABOUT. THANK YOU. SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, , I GUESS THAT DOES, UH, BASICALLY KILL IT FOR THE SESSION, BUT IT COULD BE BROUGHT BACK LATER. SHOULD WE DECIDE TO, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, NEXT SESSION, UH, ASSUMING WE ALL GET VOTED IN, UH, IF THERE WERE A PATH IN THE FUTURE, UH, THAT THEY DECIDE TO PUT IN A TRAIL OR, OR WHATEVER. UM, BUT AGAIN, I THINK THE IMPORTANT THING IS, IS THAT WE KEEP THIS BRIDGE, PRO BRIDGE PROJECT GOING, UH, GET, KEEP THAT ON TRACK. 'CAUSE THAT'S, UH, SOMETHING WE DON'T WANT TO GET BEHIND ON. QUESTION MR. CHAIRMAN? YES, SIR. TO WHAT DEGREE DOES THIS HAVE ANY INFLUENCE ON THE DESIGN OF THE BRIDGE STRUCTURE ITSELF, SUCH THAT WHEN WHOEVER BUILDS IT, WHETHER IT'S FEDERAL MONEY, STATE MONEY, OR COUNTY MONEY, WHATEVER, THAT THE BRIDGE ITSELF IS BUILT WITH SOME ROOM FOR A BIKE PATH? I MEAN, IF YOU'RE GONNA DO THIS 10 YEARS FROM NOW, YOU ALMOST NEED TO MAKE SURE THE BRIDGE IS BUILT SUCH THAT THE BRIDGE COULD ACCOMMODATE A BIKE PATH WHEN THE TIME COMES. THE, THE COST FOR JUST THE PARAPET WORK ON THE BRIDGE ALONE WOULD BE $240,000. THAT WOULD BE AN OPTION WE COULD LOCALLY FUND WITHOUT A, WITH AND NOT PURSUE THE GRANT APPLICATION. THE BRIDGE IS NOT CURRENTLY BEING PLANNED FOR PEDESTRIAN ACCOMMODATIONS. IT'S NOT BEING PLANNED THAT WAY. IT, IT WOULDN'T BE ABSENT THIS APPLICATION. SO OUR APPLICATION AND ATTEMPT TO FUND THIS PROJECT LOCALLY WAS, UM, WAS KIND OF THE PLAN. UM, WE DID TALK ABOUT THAT EXACT CONCEPT OF IF WE COULD JUST DO THE BRIDGE AND UNFORTUNATELY THAT WOULDN'T SCORE WELL IN THE GRANT APPLICATIONS FOR PEDESTRIAN, UM, ACCOMMODATIONS. SO THEY MORE OR LESS SAID THAT IT WAS UNLIKELY THAT WE WOULD RECEIVE A CMAC GRANT FOR AIR QUALITY OR TRANSPORTATION AND PEDESTRIAN FUNDING WITHOUT THE MULTI-USE PATH PORTION OF THE PROJECT. SO THEN WE WOULD JUST BE A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE BRIDGE FOR THIS PURPOSE. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? [00:10:03] WOULD I TO FOLLOW UP, JAMIE, WITH YOUR CALL SUPERVISOR KREBS, UM, THE REASON US THE COUNTY ARE DISCUSSING THIS IS BECAUSE THIS WAS A BIKE PATH. THIS, THIS IS A STATE PROJECT FOR THE BRIDGE REPLACEMENT, RIGHT? YES. SO IT'S, THE STATE COULD STILL BUILD A PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY THROUGH THERE IF THEY WANTED. AND IT'S REALLY RICHFIELD'S PROJECT AT THAT POINT. THAT IS ALL CORRECT. THE PROJECT DID NOT SCORE HIGH IN THEIR CRITERIA FOR WHETHER OR NOT THEY FUND PEDESTRIAN AND BIKE ACCOMMODATIONS. THAT'S WHAT LEFT, LET IT DOWN THE PATH OF IT WOULD NEED TO BE A HUNDRED PERCENT LOCALLY FUNDED. SO THE VILLAGE OF RICHFIELD, UH, WAS UNINTERESTED IN PAYING A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE COST. SO, UM, THAT WAS KIND OF HOW THE COUNTY GOT INVOLVED WITH BOTH THE VILLAGE OF GERMANTOWN AND THE VILLAGE OF RICHFIELD IN AGREEING TO BE THE GRANT APPLICANT TO TRY TO LOWER THE COST. UM, THE PROPERTY ACQUISITION NEEDED IN THIS CASE THOUGH, IS REALLY THE HANGUP BECAUSE THE STATE CANNOT CONDEMN PROPERTY FOR A PATH. SO IF WE ARE UNABLE TO ACQUIRE IT, THE PROJECT CAN'T HAPPEN AND THEY'RE AT A POINT WHERE THEY WOULD NEED TO DESIGN IT AND THEY'RE ASKING US TO SIGN AGREEMENTS REIMBURSING FOR THOSE COSTS. OKAY, THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME THEN. ALL RIGHT, MS. PRIDE MOORE, YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? Y'ALL GOOD? I'M GOOD, THANK YOU. OKAY. UM, ALL RIGHT, WELL, THE THING IS, THERE'S NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, UH, I'LL SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. SO IT IS INDEFINITELY POSTPONED. MOVING ON, [c. Eisenbahn Trail Discussion – Pavement and Future Planning] WE WILL GO TO THE EISEN BAUM TRAIL DISCUSSION. UM, SO LET'S GIVE A LITTLE BACKGROUND HERE ON WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE HERE, UH, FOR TONIGHT. THERE'S BEEN SOME COMMUNITY INTEREST, UM, IN, IN THE EISEN BAUM, UH, AS FAR AS PAVING IT OR NOT, PA THE PAVING, IT, UM, CERTAINLY HAS BEEN DISCUSSION AROUND, UM, I CAN TELL YOU THAT I HAVE NOTHING ON MY RADAR TO DO SO, AND NOR IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION OF IT HAPPENING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. UM, BUT BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY COMMUNITY HAS BEEN, UH, ASKING OR HAS SHOWN AN INTEREST, WE DECIDED THAT WE WANTED TO BRING IN SOME PEOPLE TO TALK ABOUT IT. UH, SOME EXPERTS, IF YOU WILL, AND SOME DID SOME LITTLE BIT OF COST SHARING, THINGS LIKE THAT, KINDA LOOK AT, AT THE COSTS, UM, AND KIND OF DO A PRESENTATION SO THAT WE CAN ALL LEARN TOGETHER WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, AND, AND GET A ROUGH IDEA OF WHAT IT, THIS WOULD BE LIKE THE FIRST STEP IN JUST, UH, SEEING WHAT IF IT'S FEASIBLE EVEN OR NOT. UM, SO WITH THAT, UH, I BELIEVE WE MIGHT HAVE TWO GROUPS THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK. UH, SO JAMIE, I'LL LET YOU GO AHEAD AND INTRODUCE PLEASE. UM, BONNIE, WOULD YOU MIND, UM, AND I DON'T KNOW, BONNIE, IF YOU WERE GONNA HAVE SOME, ANYBODY JOIN YOU OR NOT, BUT IF YOU GUYS WANT TO, UM, STEP UP TO THE MIC AND MAYBE, YOU KNOW, SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS AND COMMENTS WITH THE COMMITTEE? SURE. HISTORY FIRST. OKAY. ALRIGHT. WELL, I'M, I JUST PREPARED A VERY SHORT STATEMENT. THEY CAN'T HEAR YOU PREPARED A VERY SHORT STATEMENT ON WHAT THIS IS. UM, A REQUEST OF PAVING THE ISEN BOND TRAIL FROM BARTON TO KI WASUM MAIN STREET, HIGHWAY 28, WOULD CREATE A PATHWAY, SORRY, CONNECTING OUR COMMUNITIES AND MAKING IT MORE ACCESSIBLE TO ALL AGES, WALKERS, BIKERS, AND SCOOTER ENTHUSIASTS COULD ENJOY THIS SCENIC ROUTE TOGETHER. UM, TALK TO MANY PEOPLE AND THEY'RE ALL, YES, YES, THIS WOULD BE GREAT. THIS, UM, RIGHT NOW IT'S NOT IN THE BEST OF CONDITION FROM MARTIN TO KI WASCO. THERE ARE PIECES MISSING IN BRIDGES AND THERE'S WEEDS IN THE MIDDLE, AND IT, IT IS JUST NOT THE SAFEST. SO THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT I'M ASKING. OKAY. THIS HAPPEN. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND I APPRECIATE THOSE WORDS THAT, THAT IS, UH, WHAT WE'RE HERE TO FIND OUT. THANK YOU. SO THANK YOU. OKAY. UH, YOU HAVE SOMEBODY ELSE? SURE. MM-HMM, , GO AHEAD, INTRODUCE YOURSELF. OKAY. UM, I'M LIZ, ILL NIKKI, AND I HOPE YOU HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK OVER THE LETTER. I EMAILED TO THE MEMBERS FOR A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON IT. AND, UH, WE'RE [00:15:01] INVOLVED WITH SEVERAL BIKING GROUPS IN THE AREA, AND, UM, WE JUST FEEL LIKE IF THEY WOULD CONSIDER IT, I THINK IT'S TIME THAT THEY WOULD AT LEAST GO DOWN THAT ROUTE TO SEE IF IT'S FEASIBLE AND HOW TO IMPROVE, UM, A MULTI-USE PATH THAT WOULD BE PAVED. AND, UM, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WITH THE GRAVEL, IT'S VERY PRONE IF YOU'RE ON A BIKE, SLIP, FALL, BREAK A LEG OR WHATEVER, THAT'S JUST ONE CONCERN THERE. AND WE DO WANT IT, WE DO CARE ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE AND TRAIL USERS IN THE AREA, SO WE WANNA CONSIDER THE OTHER USERS THAT USE IT OR SNOWMOBILERS. SO WE UNDERSTAND THAT. AND, UM, WE FEEL IT'D BE VERY BENEFICIAL TO, UM, THE COMMUNITIES ALL AROUND HERE AND A CONNECTING ROAD TO GET TO AYAHUASCA. AND I THINK SO MANY FAMILIES WOULD, UH, USE IT MORE OFTEN AND IT WOULD ACTUALLY BE SAFER BECAUSE THERE'D BE MORE TRAFFIC ON IT FOR PEOPLE GOING OUT, JOGGING ON THEIR OWN IN THAT. SO WE FELT IT WOULD BE, UM, AND WE WONDERED TOO, IF THERE WAS, UM, MONEY OUT THERE FOR IT RAILS TO TRAILS OR, YOU KNOW, GETTING THE COMMUNITY INVOLVED MORE. SO BONNIE'S BEEN WORKING ON THIS A LONG TIME, AND, UH, THERE'S MANY PEOPLE BEHIND THE SCENES THAT WOULD LOVE TO SEE IT HAPPEN OR JUST TO BE CONSIDERED. SO WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, DID WE HAVE A SNOWMOBILE PERSON? YES, GE, JERRY, AWESOME. COME ON UP. AND WE DO. YEP, GO AHEAD. MR. CHAIRMAN, COMMITTEE MEMBERS, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IN 1998, SNOWMOBILERS WERE ASKING PERMISSION TO PUT IN A SNOWMOBILE TRAIL ALONG THE RAILROAD GRADE. IN 2004, WE HAD THE EISENBERG TRAIL WHO PAID FOR THIS TRAIL. THERE WERE FEDERAL DOLLARS, STATE DOLLARS DONATIONS, SNOWMOBILE GRANT MONIES, AND COUNTY MONEY SNOWMOBILE GRANT MONIES. WHAT IS THIS? GRANT MONIES FROM THE SNOWMOBILE PROGRAM ARE DOLLARS THAT ARE TAKEN OUT OF OUR REGISTRATION FEES TO PAY FOR A PROJECT, SEEING THAT OUR DOLLARS WERE TAKEN SNOWMOBILES HAVE A VESTED INTEREST IN THIS TRAIL. FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, WE'VE BEEN INVOLVED, WE'VE DONE, WE WORK WITH THE COUNTY, WE BRUSH THE TRAIL OUT IN FALL FROM THE SUMMER GROWTH SO THAT IT'S USABLE AND, UH, IT CARRIES OVER TO NEXT, UH, THE NEXT SEASON. LET'S NOT FORGET, THIS IS A MULTI-USE TRAIL. BY PAVING IT, YOU WOULD EXCLUDE MANY OF THE WINTER SPORTS HIKERS. AND DOG WALKERS DON'T LIKE PAVEMENT. IT GETS TOO HOT. NOT ALL BICYCLES, BICYCLISTS LIKE PAVEMENT AND THE SKIERS, THE ATVS, THE UTVS, THE DOG SLEDS AND SNOWMOBILES DON'T LIKE PAVEMENT EITHER. BY PAVING THIS TRAIL, SNOWMOBILERS AND OTHERS WILL SUFFER SIGNIFICANT LOSS OF USE. THE SAME SCENARIO OCCURRED IN WAUKESHA COUNTY ON THE BUG LINE TRAIL. A COMPRISE WAS REACHED AND THEY PAVED HALF THE TRAIL IN THE CENTER, LEFT THE EDGES, UM, GRAVEL. UM, I DON'T THINK THAT'S ACCEPTABLE EVEN FOR US, UM, AS THE WINTER SPORTS ENTHUSIASTS. UM, IF THE TRAIL WERE PAVED, IT CAN'T BE PLOWED. ONLY SNOWMOBILE GROOMER WOULD BE ALLOWED ON IT IN WINTER. NO OTHER VEHICULAR TRAFFIC EXCEPT FOR THE ATVS, UTVS, SNOWMOBILES, AND DOGSLEDS, AND THE OTHER USERS WOULD NOT BE RESPONSIBLE FOR DAMAGE TO THE SURFACE OF THE TRAIL. UM, KNOWING THAT WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO USE THE TRAIL. UM, AND NO, NO RULES CAN OR RESTRICTING SNOWMOBILERS, UH, CAN BE MADE AFTER, UH, THE PROJECT IS DONE. UM, NO SNOWMOBILE FUNDS SHOULD BE USED FOR PAVING, UH, OF THE, OR MAINTAINING THE ASPHALT PORTION OF THE TRAIL ON MANY OF THE FUNDED TRAILS THAT HAVE BEEN TURNED INTO PAVED ROAD, UH, [00:20:01] PAVED TRAILS. YOU CAN'T GET GRANT MONEY FOR A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME, SEVEN OR 10 YEARS, WHATEVER, TO MAINTAIN THE TRAIL. IF THE ASPHALT ASPHALT FALLS INTO DISREPAIR AND IS TO BE ABANDONED LIKE IT HAS BEEN ON SOME TRAILS, UH, THEY GRIND IT UP AND THEY LEAVE THE BLACK GRAVEL. WHILE THAT IS NOT CONDUCIVE FOR THE WINTER SPORTS PEOPLE EITHER, BECAUSE THE BLACK GRAVEL MELTS OFF VERY QUICKLY, UM, THE TRAIL HAS SERVED THE USERS, ALL THE USERS WELL FOR 20 YEARS. LET'S NOT RUIN IT FOR WINTER SPORTS USERS FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS BY PAVING ANY PORTION OF THE TRAIL. AND THIS IS TALKING FOR, UH, SKIERS, SNOWSHOERS, UM, THE DOG SLEDS, AND THERE'S A COUPLE OF 'EM UP BY EDEN THAT COME DOWN AND SNOWMOBILERS. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND, AND AGAIN, I'D LIKE TO REITERATE THAT THIS IS, UM, WHAT, WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE INVESTIGATING, WE'RE NOT, THERE IS NOTHING ON THE AGENDA OR ANY FUTURE AGENDA. UM, SO IT'S NOT REALLY SO MUCH A FOR AGAINST, IT'S JUST AN INFORMATIONAL SESSION. SO I THINK YOU BRING VALUABLE INFORMATION, BOTH SIDES DO ON, ON WHAT THEY'D LIKE TO SEE, AND CERTAINLY THOSE THINGS WILL BE TAKEN INTO ADVISEMENT. UM, BUT FOR NOW, IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WE NEED TO HAVE SPEAK? I'M NOT, I'M NOT SURE, BUT CAN YOU RETURN MIC ON? YEAH. UM, THANK YOU. I'M NOT SURE, BUT I DO WANNA POINT OUT BOTH FOR OUR PRESENTER AS WELL AS TO THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WE DO HAVE BOTH THE CITY OF WEST BEND REPRESENTED HERE TODAY WITH THEIR, UM, PARKS DIRECTOR MIKE, AND I'M GONNA MESS UP HIS LAST NAME. Y VERY GOOD. THAT'S CLOSE. UM, AND THEN WE HAVE THE VILLAGE PRESIDENT OF THE VILLAGE OF QUI WASUM HERE TODAY WITH FUZZ MARTIN. UM, I KNOW THEY'VE BEEN INTERESTED IN THE DOWNTOWN PORTION OF THE VILLAGE OF KI WASUM, SO I'M POINTING THAT OUT BOTH FOR THE PRESENTER. DO, ARE EITHER OF YOU INTERESTED IN MAKING ANY COMMENTS? I I CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS IF YOU NEED OR ANYTHING. I'M HERE MORE AS AN ADVISOR. OKAY. OR LISTEN. OKAY, VERY GOOD. UM, AND, AND I THANK YOU, UH, YOU GUYS FOR SHOWING UP AND BEING HERE AND TAKING INTEREST IN THIS. AND AS WELL AS I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF SUPERVISORS, UH, SUPERVISOR TROUTNER AND SUPERVISOR ERT, UH, WHO ALSO THEIR JURISDICTIONS ARE WITHIN THE EIS AND MOM TRAIL. AND I THANK YOU GUYS FOR SHOWING UP FOR THIS DISCUSSION. WHO SCREEN? WHAT'S THAT? WHO'S THE PERSON ON THE SCREEN? OH, WE'LL GET TO THAT . YEP. THAT'S TASTE. OKAY. SO, UH, IF YOU'LL INTRODUCE YOUR, OUR NEXT, UH, GUEST, JAMIE, I'D APPRECIATE THAT. SURE. SO WE HAVE MELISSA VAN LUND, I, UH, HERE WITH US TODAY FROM THE DNR. UM, AND SO SHE IS THEIR RESIDENT EXPERT ON TRAILS AND PROJECTS LIKE THIS. AND SO SHE'S GONNA GIVE US, JUST PROVIDE US WITH SOME GENERAL INFORMATION ABOUT OUR TRAIL, UM, THAT SHE'S LOOKED INTO. SO I WILL TURN IT OVER TO HER. UM, AND PLEASE FEEL FREE TO TAKE IT AWAY. GREAT. THANKS JAMIE. THANK YOU ALL. UM, THANKS FOR HAVING ME THIS AFTERNOON. UM, I, I'VE NEVER BEEN REFERRED TO AS AN EXPERT MORE IN ONE MEETING. UM, SO THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME AND, UM, I'LL DO MY BEST TO GIVE YOU ALL SOME BACKGROUND INFORMATION. SO, UM, FIRST JUST LET ME SHARE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SOME OF, UM, MY BACKGROUND. SO YOU KNOW, WHERE THAT EXPERTISE COMES FROM. UM, I'VE BEEN WITH THE DEPARTMENT FOR JUST ABOUT 15 YEARS, AND I'VE BEEN IN THE ROLE OF RECREATION PARTNERSHIP SECTION CHIEF, UM, SINCE 2017. AND SO A LARGE PART OF MY ROLE IS WORKING WITH MUNICIPALITIES AND OUR COOPERATIVE PARTNERS, RECREATION PARTNERS, USE PARTNERS ALL ACROSS THE STATE. SO I AM BASED OUT OF MADISON, UM, BUT I TRAVEL QUITE OFTEN AND, UM, WORK AGAIN WITH COUNTLESS PARTNERS ALL ACROSS THE STATE ON VARIOUS OUTDOOR RECREATION ISSUES AND PROJECTS, UM, INCLUDING TRAIL DEVELOPMENT AND PLANNING. SO A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE EISEN BOND. UM, AND IF YOU TRY TO DIG INTO SOME OF THE HISTORY, UM, DOCUMENTATION IS SPOTTY AT BEST FOR WASHINGTON COUNTY. SO, WHICH IS KIND OF INTERESTING. UM, WE DO HAVE AN MOU AND, UM, AN EASEMENT THAT IS IN PLACE, WHICH IS GREAT. UM, THE MOU DOES NOT HAVE AN EXPIRATION DATE, BUT WAS DONE, UM, I BELIEVE ONE WAS DONE IN 2004. ONE WAS DONE IN 2006. UM, AND SO ONE OF THE ELEMENTS OF THAT, UM, MOU AND THE EASEMENT IN GENERAL CALL FOR A PLAN OF USE FOR THE TRAIL WITHIN TWO YEARS OF THE MOU. AND SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT HAS EVER BEEN DONE IN OUR RECORDS. IT HAS NOT BEEN DONE. SO I'M NOT SURE IF IT WAS PART OF AN OVERALL, UM, LIKE COMPREHENSIVE OUTDOOR REC PLAN FOR THE COUNTY OR OTHERWISE. UM, WE DO HAVE ONE ON RECORD AND, AND ANOTHER ONE STARTED FOR FOND OT COUNTY AND I BELIEVE FOR WEST BEND, BUT NOT NECESSARILY FOR THE COUNTY ITSELF, FOR THE [00:25:01] EISENMAN. UM, SO WHEN WE, SO I'LL COME BACK TO THAT IN A SECOND, BUT, UM, AND WHY THAT'S IMPORTANT. SO WHEN WE LOOK AT, UM, TRAIL USE IN GENERAL, UM, OBVIOUSLY THE TRAIL, THE TRAIL USES THAT YOU HAVE FOR THE EISENMAN AND THE COUNTY RIGHT NOW, UM, OUR OUTLINED ESSENTIALLY IN THE MOU, BUT IT ALSO DOES SAY IN THERE USES, UM, AS APPLICABLE FOR THE, FOR THE AREA. SO IT LEAVES IT PRETTY GENERAL. UM, SO I WOULD SAY OVERALL YOU'RE PRETTY CONSISTENT WITH THE MOU, BUT NOT NECESSARILY WITH, UM, WITH THE, THE PART OF IT, WITH HAVING A PLAN OF USE. AND SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THE POTENTIAL FOR PAVING, THERE'S A NUMBER OF THINGS TO CONSIDER. UM, YOU KNOW, YOU DO CONSIDER OVERALL USE AND WHAT'S RELEVANT IN THE COMMUNITY AND, YOU KNOW, KEEPING PACE WITH THE NEEDS OF YOUR COMMUNITIES. AND IN THIS CASE THE CONNECTION ESSENTIALLY BETWEEN WEST BEND AND KIOSKI. UM, BUT YOU ALSO NEED TO LOOK AT OVERALL EXISTING AND ESTABLISHED USE. AND THAT'S A BIT WHERE THE SNOWMOBILE TRAIL COMES IN. UM, IT'S NOT TO SAY THAT PAVED TRAILS DON'T HAVE SNOWMOBILE USE BECAUSE THEY CERTAINLY DO. UM, THAT DOES EXIST ACROSS WISCONSIN, THAT'S VERY PROMINENT IN THE STATE OF MINNESOTA AS WELL. UM, AND THERE CAN CERTAINLY BE, UM, ELEMENTS THAT ARE INCLUDED WITHIN THE TRAIL TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE WINTER USES. SO, UM, WHY THIS, WHY HOW THIS KIND OF ALL WRAPS TOGETHER IS THAT ESSENTIALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, OUR OPINION WOULD BE THAT IF YOU WERE TO EMBARK ON THE POTENTIAL OF PAVING THIS SEGMENT, UM, IT DOESN'T, IT'S NOT REQUIRED IN THE MOU, BUT IT WOULD PROBABLY WARRANT A PLANNING PROCESS. UM, AND THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, A PUBLIC PROCESS. AND, AND THE MOU DOES ALSO CALL FOR A PUBLIC PROCESS RELATED TO THE TRAIL USE. UM, ONE OPTION THERE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IT DOES CALL FOR THE RESPONSIBILITY WITH ASSISTANCE FROM THE DNR AS PART OF THE, THE COUNTY'S RESPONSIBILITIES IN THE MOU. UM, BUT WE ARE EMBARKING ON AN ECOLOGICAL LANDSCAPE MASTER PLAN FOR THIS AREA IN 2026. AND SO, UM, IF, IF IT WERE TO BE SOMETHING THAT THE COUNTY WOULD LIKE, UM, WE COULD AMEND THE MOU AND YOU COULD TURN THAT RESPONSIBILITY FOR PLANNING OVER TO THE DEPARTMENT. SO WE'RE CERTAINLY NOT ASKING FOR THAT. UM, BUT IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO DISCUSS IN THE FUTURE, YOU CERTAINLY COULD. UM, SO I THINK A PLANNING PROCESS WOULD DEFINITELY BE ONE OF THE OPPORTUNITIES HERE. UM, AND AGAIN, ANOTHER, ANOTHER WAY TO REALLY FORMALLY SEEK PUBLIC INPUT. UM, SO, SO THAT'S SOMETHING TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION, UM, BEFORE THE PAVING PROCESS. I THINK ANOTHER THING TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION IS, IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE I'VE BEEN TO THIS PORTION OF THE TRAIL, AND UNFORTUNATELY I COULDN'T GET THERE BEFORE THIS MEETING. UM, BUT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT PAVING AN EXISTING SNOWMOBILE ROUTE, AGAIN, IT CAN CERTAINLY BE DONE. UM, BUT THERE ARE THINGS TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION, UM, ONE BEING HOW MANY CROSSINGS YOU HAVE, MEANING HOW MANY TIMES WOULD, DOES THE SNOWMOBILE ON THE TRAIL CROSS, UM, HAVE TO STOP IN ORDER TO CROSS OTHER ROADWAYS OR DRIVEWAYS? AND THE REASON THAT'S IMPORTANT IS BECAUSE IT'S THE STOPPING AND STARTING, UM, THE DECELERATION AND ACCELERATION OF THE SNOWMOBILES THAT CAN MAKE DAMAGE ON THE PAVEMENT. SO IT WORKS WELL AND IT'S OKAY WHERE, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE LONG STRETCHES OF PAVEMENT BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT STOPPING AND STARTING, BUT IF YOU HAVE A LOT OF ROADWAYS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT COULD, UM, BE INCREASED MAINTENANCE COSTS IN THE FUTURE. BUT IT ALSO MIGHT BE SOMETHING WHERE, WHICH YOU SEE IN NORTHERN WISCONSIN ALL THE TIME, THOSE APPROACHES TO ROAD CROSSINGS ARE OFTEN DONE IN CONCRETE INSTEAD OF ASPHALT, AND THEY'RE PAINTED WHITE, UM, THAT WAY THEY CAN, UM, MAINTAIN ADEQUATE TEMPERATURES FOR SNOWMOBILING AND THEY DON'T, UM, HAVE AS MUCH WEAR AND TEAR TO THE SNOWMOBILE STARTING AND STOPPING AT THOSE INTERSECTIONS. SO, SO, SO THOSE ARE A COUPLE THINGS TO CONSIDER. UM, I WOULD AGREE LIKE THAT IT DOES HAVE, I WOULD SAY, MINIMAL IMPACTS TO THE FRONT END AND BACK END OF SNOWMOBILE SEASONS. OBVIOUSLY WE KNOW WITH JUST GENERAL SCIENCE THAT DARKER OBJECTS HEAT UP FASTER, RIGHT? SO, UM, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PAVEMENT, UM, IT MAY TAKE A LITTLE BIT LONGER FOR THAT SEGMENT OF TRAIL TO BE OPEN THAT IS PAVED BECAUSE IT TAKES SIX INCHES OF COMPACTED SNOW TO OPEN A SNOWMOBILE TRAIL. AND WITH THE PAVEMENT SNOW, SNOW IS MORE LIKELY TO MELT ON THAT, ESPECIALLY AT THE BEGINNING OF SEASON AND END OF SEASON. SO IN SOME CASES, ACROSS THE STATE, UM, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT TRICKLES OF SNOW IN ORDER TO GET A SNOWMOBILE TRAIL, THAT MIGHT TAKE A FEW DAYS LONGER ON THE FRONT END AND MIGHT END A FEW DAYS EARLIER ON THE BACK END. SO THOSE ARE, AGAIN, A COUPLE THINGS TO CONSIDER. UM, BUT I THINK OTHER THINGS TO CONSIDER ARE CERTAINLY USE AND ESTABLISHED USE. UM, AND SO OTHER COMMUNITIES AS PART OF THEIR PLANNING PROCESS HAVE DEFINITELY GONE THROUGH USE STUDIES ON THE TRAIL, [00:30:01] UM, WHERE YOU LOOK AT HOW MANY BICYCLISTS AND PEDESTRIANS ARE USING THE TRAIL TO WARRANT THE PAVING OF IT VERSUS, UM, SNOWMOBILE AND OTHER WINTER USE. AND SO THAT'S WHY BOTH THE EXISTING USES, ALLOWABLE USES AND ESTABLISHED USE ARE TWO IMPORTANT DISCUSSIONS. UM, WE ARE ACTUALLY GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND HAVE GONE THROUGH THE PLANNING PROCESS AND ARE, UM, WORKING WITH THE CITY OF VERONA IN DANE COUNTY. UM, AND WE HAD A MILE OF TRAIL GOING THROUGH THE CITY OF VERONA THAT WAS NOT WELL ESTABLISHED FOR SNOWMOBILE USE, EVEN THOUGH IT WASN'T ALLOWABLE USE. UM, AND WE ACTUALLY WENT THROUGH THE PLANNING PROCESS AND ARE WORKING TOWARDS PAVING THAT ONE SEGMENT OF TRAIL THROUGH THE CITY OF VERONA, UM, WHICH WILL THEN THE SNOWMOBILE USE WILL MOVE OUT ONE MILE, UM, TO A DIFFERENT TRAIL HEAD. AND SO PART OF THAT WAS BECAUSE THE, THE MILES PER HOUR GOING THROUGH THE CITY OF VERONA WERE VERY LOW. UM, USE OF THE USE OF THE TRAILHEAD WAS VERY LOW, UM, AND IT WAS NOT A NORTH SOUTH CONNECTION. UM, AND SO IT, THE EXISTING USE WAS THERE, BUT THE ESTABLISHED USE WAS NOT. AND SO WE FELT, UM, THE CITY OF VERONA AND THE DEPARTMENT FELT THAT THE SAFE ROUTES TO SCHOOL, THE POPULATIONS AND THE SUMMER USE, UM, AND THE, THE RELEVANCY OF THAT SUMMER USE WAS MORE, UM, ESTABLISHED THAN THE WINTER USE. AND SO WE WENT THROUGH THE PLANNING PROCESS AND ESTABLISHED THAT. UM, I THINK THE LAST THING, LAST THING TO CONSIDER, UM, IS CERTAINLY THE UPFRONT DEVELOPMENT COSTS AND MAINTENANCE. UM, OBVIOUSLY THE UPFRONT DEVELOPMENT COSTS CAN BE CONSIDERABLE DEPENDING ON THE WIDTH OF THE TRAIL. YOU KNOW, UM, A 12 FOOT WIDE TRAIL FOR, UM, FOR PAVING CAN RUN ABOUT A HALF MILLION, UM, PER MILE. SO DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER OF MILES THAT YOU'RE CONSIDERING, YOU KNOW, PRICE CONTINUES TO GO UP. SO THAT'S SOMETHING TO CERTAINLY CONSIDER. SHORT TERM MAINTENANCE WILL BE MINIMAL ON THE FRONT END, BUT OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, IT TAKES CRACK FILLING AND CEILING AND THINGS LIKE THAT AS, AS YOUR ROAD DEPARTMENTS LARGELY KNOW, UM, OVER TIME IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN THAT TRAIL AS AN ASPHALT TRAIL. UM, AND ONE LAST THING I'LL, I'LL JUST SHARE IS THAT GENERALLY WE SEE, ESPECIALLY WITH, UM, MORE REMOTE COMMUNITIES, UM, THAT AREN'T IN LIKE HEAVILY URBAN AREAS, YOU GENERALLY SEE ONE TO ONE AND A HALF MILES OF USE OUTSIDE OF THE CITY LIMITS. AND SO I KNOW THERE'S ONLY ABOUT FIVE OR SO MILES IN BETWEEN THE TWO COMMUNITIES. UM, SO IF YOU'RE GOING ABOUT A MILE FROM EACH COMMUNITY, THAT'S GENERALLY WHERE YOUR PRIMARY USE THAT MORE THAN 60% OF USE IS GOING TO BE. UM, SO YOU HAVE TO KIND OF ASK YOURSELF LIKE, HOW MANY PEOPLE WILL GO BETWEEN AS FAR AS A PEDESTRIAN FOR BIKING USE, THAT WILL GO FURTHER, BUT FOR AVERAGE EVENING DOG WALKING OR GOING OUT AFTER DINNER FOR A WALK, THAT'S ABOUT A MILE TO AND A MILE AND A HALF OUTSIDE THE CITY ON EITHER DIRECTION. SO I'LL PAUSE THERE. I KNOW THAT WAS A LOT OF INFORMATION TO DUMP ON ALL OF YOU, UM, AND SEE WHAT QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. OKAY. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR OUR GUEST? YEAH, I GUESS I'VE GOT LOTS OF QUESTIONS. UH, THE, THE DESIGN ON THIS, AND I, THERE WAS NOTHING IN THE PACKET REGARDING THIS, AT LEAST THAT I COULD FIND. I GUESS I'M A LITTLE CAUGHT UNAWARE AS TO THE DISCUSSION ON THIS. OBVIOUSLY THE SNOWMOBILES WANT TO HAVE NON PAVED SO THE SNOW WILL STAY LONGER. UH, THE WALKERS AND THE DOG BIKE AND THE BIKERS, UH, WANT TO HAVE IT PAVED SO IT'S MORE COMFORTABLE ON THEIR FEET FOR WALKING. AND, AND IN GENERAL, AND I GUESS I'M NOT REAL CLEAR, IS THIS TRAIL CURRENTLY OPEN TO MOTORIZED VEHICLES? I MEAN, ATVS, CAN THEY USE THIS NOW IN WINTER? IN IN WINTER, YEAH. ARE THERE RESTRICTIONS ON THAT DURING THE SUMMERTIME? I MEAN, I MEAN, I, I I, THERE THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF STUFF I THINK THAT WE, WE DON'T HAVE HERE IN TERMS OF INFORMATION. IT'S 12 FEET WIDE. WHAT OTHER OPTIONS WOULD THERE BE? COULD YOU GO SIX, SIX FEET OF PAVE, SIX FEET OF GRAVEL? UH, I HAVE NO IDEA, BUT THERE'S JUST A WHOLE BUNCH OF STUFF THAT WE DON'T HAVE HERE TODAY FOR INFORMATION, I GUESS. I'M NOT SURE. WHAT ARE WE EXPECTED TO DETERMINE TODAY? RIGHT. WELL, I'LL TAKE THAT ACTUALLY. UM, WE'RE NOT DETERMINING ANYTHING, UH, TO BE QUITE HONEST. I MEAN, IT REALLY, WHAT WE'RE HERE IS, IS KIND OF ASKING SOME OF THE PRELIMINARY QUESTIONS. SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO LOOK AT, UH, IS JUST IF WE HAD SUCH DESIRE IN THE FUTURE TO DO ANYTHING, WHAT ARE SOME OF THE PROBLEMS THAT WE MIGHT FACE? AND I THINK WE GOT A PRETTY CLEAR IDEA THAT CERTAINLY SNOWMOBILE USAGE AND, AND SNOW MELT, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. THIS IS REALLY MORE JUST AN INFORMATION GATHERING TYPE MEETING RATHER THAN KIND OF A ORGANIZING OR TRYING TO ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING. YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS THE TRAIL GOES, UM, AS I STATED IN [00:35:01] THE BEGINNING, WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY, WE'RE NOT TAKING ACTION AND WE'RE NOT DISCUSSING TAKING ACTION. WE'RE MERELY GATHERING INFORMATION AT THIS MEETING. SO, SO I KNOW WHEN WE, WE'RE NOT GONNA GET ALL THE QUESTIONS ANSWERED THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE. UH, AND IT CERTAINLY IF WE MOVE FORWARD ON THIS, WE WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, GOING THROUGH A LOT OF THAT. BUT RIGHT NOW, SEEING AS THERE'S NO PLAN, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET, GET THE 30,000 FOOT VIEW OF WHAT WE WOULD BE FACING. SO, OKAY. AND IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE A PLAN, WHAT GROUP OR ORGANIZATION IS GONNA BRING THIS PLAN TO US? AND AT WHAT STAGE OF DEVELOPMENT WILL IT BE AND AT WHAT KIND OF PRODUCTION COSTS? UH, MAINTENANCE COSTS, OBVIOUSLY, AS YOU SAY, YOU GOT GRAVEL DONE THERE. YEAH. WEEDS ARE GONNA GROW UP IN THAT SUMMERTIME, UH, PAVEMENT. YOU DON'T HAVE IT. UH, I MEAN, WHO'S BRINGING THIS FORWARD TO US? IS, IS MY MIC ON? THANK YOU. JUST TO CLARIFY, I THINK WHAT THE, THE COMMITTEE SHOULD STAY FOCUSED ON THE BIG PICTURE OF IS PAVING THIS TRAIL SOMETHING, IT, THAT'S THE POLICY QUESTION, RIGHT? TO DO OR NOT TO DO. LOOKING AT ALL OF THE FACTORS AND THE COSTS, AND AS WE KIND OF COLLECT THAT INFORMATION, UM, WE CERTAINLY KNOW WE WOULD HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO, RIGHT? TO GO BACK AND COME, BUT AT THIS POINT, WE ARE NOT WORKING ON THIS, RIGHT? WE HAVE NOT STARTED WORKING ON THIS. WE, WE UNDERSTAND IT'S A BIG UNDERTAKING, WHETHER THAT'S PLANNING OR OPTIONS OR COSTS OR MAINTENANCE COSTS. AND SO WE ARE HERE TODAY BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN INTEREST IN STARTING THAT PROCESS. UM, BUT ABSENT THE ELECTED OFFICIALS WILL TO DO ANYTHING, WE WILL NOT BE RIGHT. SO WE WE'RE TRYING TO JUST GAUGE AT A HIGH LEVEL, YOU KNOW, WHAT QUESTIONS MIGHT YOU HAVE, IF YOU HAVE ANY, UM, OR, AND IN THIS CASE SHE'S HERE TODAY TO PROVIDE INFORMATION ABOUT, UM, I THINK THE PROCESS, MAYBE WHAT IT WOULD TAKE, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. BUT ALL OF THOSE THINGS WOULD DEFINITELY NEED TO BE STEPS. UM, BUT WE'RE NOT EVEN, WE'RE NOT THERE. WE ARE NOT TAKING ANY STEPS TOWARDS FIGURING IT OUT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT SURE IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE INTERESTED IN DOING. SO I THINK THAT'S KIND OF WHAT BROUGHT US HERE TODAY TO HEAR ABOUT IT. UM, IF THAT HELPS AT ALL. SO THIS IS VERY PRELIMINARY. VERY PRELIMINARY. IT'S, IT'S PRE PRELIMINARY, TO BE QUITE HONEST. I LOVE WHY THIS IS SUCH THE TOPIC OF THIS. QUITE HONESTLY, YOUR QUESTIONS THAT YOU JUST ASKED WERE ACTUALLY PERFECT BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE QUESTIONS THAT ARE GOING TO BE RELEVANT, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S WHAT THIS MEETING IS ABOUT. WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT QUESTIONS WE'RE ASKING. YOU JUST POINTED OUT A WHOLE SLEW OF THEM, YOU KNOW, AND THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE CONSIDERED FOR, YOU KNOW, ANY IDEA THAT WE MIGHT TAKE THIS UP. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, WITHOUT GETTING TOO FAR INTO THE WEEDS AND, AND TRYING TO EVEN ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS, YOU JUST MADE US AWARE OF SEVERAL QUESTIONS THAT WILL NEED TO BE BROUGHT UP. SO THIS IS STRICTLY EXPLORATORY, STRICTLY EXPLORATORY. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE ABOUT THAT. YEAH. AND I APOLOGIZE, IT'S, IT'S SORT OF A, A DIFFERENT THING HERE. UH, WE HAVE SEVERAL COMMUNITY PEOPLE, AS I POINTED OUT IN THE BEGINNING, AND I'D JUST LIKE TO STATE THAT WE ARE FINDING THIS OUT AS YOU ARE FINDING THIS OUT. SO WE ARE ALL LEARNING TOGETHER. MM-HMM, . OKAY. SO NOW, HOPEFULLY IN MY HOPE FOR THIS, AND I CERTAINLY THINK JAMIE'S AND, AND CERTAINLY COUNTY EXECUTIVES, IS THAT, UH, WE'RE ALL GONNA BE ON THE SAME PAGE. WE CAN TAKE AWAY FROM THIS MEETING SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE TASKS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO OVERCOME. MM-HMM. . UM, SO WHETHER THAT'S THE PUBLIC INTEREST OR NOT, SO JAMIE, YES, AND I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT THIS CAME TO THE ATTENTION OF THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE AT ONE OF HIS LISTENING SESSIONS, THAT NO, THERE ARE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY THAT WANNA SEE THIS HAPPEN. AND SO RATHER THAN JUST CONTINUING TO SAY, WELL, EH, SO, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO PROVIDE SOME ACTUAL, UM, CONVERSATION THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. UM, I, IF YOU DON'T MIND IF I ASK A QUESTION OF MISSY, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU MENTIONED WAS THAT YOU, YOU WOULD SEE THAT BEFORE THIS COULD HAPPEN, THERE WOULD NEED TO BE A PLANNING PROCESS AND THAT THE STATE IS ALREADY PLANNING A PLANNING PROCESS. AND WHEN WE SPOKE, YOU MENTIONED A MASTER PLAN FOR THE EISEN BOND NOT EXISTING, AND WE TALKED ABOUT THAT RELATED TO WAYFINDING SIGNAGE OR SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT THE FATE OF THIS TRAIL MIGHT HOLD. UM, CAN YOU ELABORATE AT ALL ON THAT AND WHAT IT IS THAT, YOU KNOW, SUCCESSFUL TRAILS IN THE STATE HAVE OR HAVE DONE, OR WHAT THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THAT MIGHT BE? AS FAR AS THE PLANNING PROCESS? MM-HMM. YOU'RE TALKING. YEAH. SO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, RIGHT NOW THE MOU THAT WE HAVE WITH THE COUNTY INDICATES THAT THE PLANNING RESPONSIBILITY IS THE COUNTIES. UM, AND SO A PLANNING PROCESS I WOULD THINK WOULD NEED TO BE DONE EITHER WAY WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN YOU'RE [00:40:01] TALKING ABOUT, UM, THIS KIND OF DEVELOPMENT FOR THE TRAIL. AND SO A PLANNING DOCUMENT, YOU'RE THE PLANNING COMMITTEE, SO YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S THE GUIDING PRINCIPLE AND GIVES THE OVER OVERARCHING AUTHORITY OF WHAT YOU CAN OR CANNOT DO. AND SO REALLY WHAT THAT DOES, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LOT OF COOPERATIVE TRAILS ACROSS THE STATE, I WANNA SAY 27. UM, AND THERE IS A MIXED BAG OF RESPONSIBILITY. SO SOME OF OUR AGREEMENTS INDICATE THAT THE COUNTY OR MUNICIPAL PARTNER IS THE PLANNER AND HAS THE PLANNING RESPONSIBILITY. SOME INDICATE THAT THE DEPARTMENT IS, AND QUITE HONESTLY, SOME OF THESE AGREEMENTS WERE DONE IN THE SEVENTIES, AND THEY DON'T SAY EITHER . AND SO, UM, SO YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY HERE. I THINK THIS WOULD WARRANT A PLANNING PROCESS. YOU KNOW, THIS COULD BE FURTHER CONSULTATION WITH YOUR CORP COUNSEL ON THAT, AS IN REGARDS TO THE MOU. BUT, UM, I THINK A PLANNING PROCESS WOULD BE WARRANTED TO EXPLORE THIS AND OTHER USE OPTIONS, UM, AND GIVE THAT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, GUIDING OVERARCHING, UM, AUTHORITY FOR HOW THE TRAIL IS FULLY DEVELOPED, MAINTAINED, UM, AND ENHANCED THROUGHOUT THE YEARS. AND SO A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE INCLUDED IN A TRAIL PLAN LIKE THIS, YOU KNOW, WOULD BE THAT WAY FINDING ELEMENT. IT WOULD BE LAND MANAGEMENT, HISTORICAL AND CULTURAL RESOURCES, UM, ENVIRONMENTAL SPECIES AND, AND RESOURCE ANALYSIS, USE ANALYSIS. ALL OF THAT KIND OF STUFF GOES INTO, UM, A LINEAR TRAIL LIKE THIS. UM, YOU HAVE A COMPLICATING FACTOR HERE IN THAT WE HAVE ESSENTIALLY THREE AGREEMENTS SITTING OUT THERE FOR THE ENTIRETY OF THIS TRAIL WITH WEST BEND, FOND LAC COUNTY AND WASHINGTON COUNTY. UM, AND SO THAT MEANS THREE DIFFERENT AGREEMENTS WITH THREE DIFFERENT AUTHORITIES, UM, AND THREE DIFFERENT AUTHORITIES OVER PLANNING. AND SO WHAT WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE HAPPEN WOULD BE THAT THE USES WOULD BE CONSISTENT, UM, AND THAT THE PLAN FOR MAINTENANCE AND DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE CONSISTENT ACROSS ALL THREE, UM, ALL THREE PARTNERS HERE. UM, BUT THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY, BECAUSE WE ARE EMBARKING ON OUR ECOLOGICAL LANDSCAPE PLANNING. WHILE IT'S NOT IN OUR AUTHORITY TO PLAN THE EISEN BOND, UM, THROUGH AMENDED AGREEMENTS, WE COULD, YOU COULD GIVE THAT AUTHORITY BACK TO US IF WE WANTED TO AMEND THAT AGREEMENT. SO EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE OUR ECOLOGICAL LANDSCAPE PLAN COMING UP, THE EISEN BOND WOULD BE MENTIONED IN THAT, AND IT WOULD BE MENTIONED AS THAT THE, IT'S A COOPERATIVE TRAIL AND THAT THE PLANNING RESPONSIBILITY IS OF THE PARTNER. AND THAT'S REALLY THE EXTENT THAT IT WOULD BE MENTIONED IN OUR MASTER PLAN. UM, AGAIN, HOWEVER, IF THE MUNICIPALITIES WANTED US TO DO THE PLAN, WE COULD AMEND THOSE AGREEMENTS AND TAKE OVER THE PLANNING, MEANING WE WOULD WORK WITH YOU AND WITH ALL OF YOUR CONSTITUENTS TO DO THAT PLAN, SIMILAR TO NR 44, WHICH IS OUR GUIDING STATUTE FOR MASTER PLANNING. OKAY. UM, SO I, I'M NOT NECESSARILY DOING PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT, UH, I HAVE, UH, THE, UH, CHAIRMAN, IS IT, UH, PRESIDENT OF THE VILLAGE PRESIDENT. OKAY. SO THE VILLAGE PRESIDENT OF SCU, UH, FUZZ MARTIN, I'D LIKE TO RECOGNIZE YOU TO SPEAK. THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. I JUST, SO I WANTED TO STATE THAT WE RECENTLY HAD A, UH, PRETTY EXTENSIVE, UH, DOWNTOWN REDEVELOPMENT PLAN PUT TOGETHER, UH, FOR THE VILLAGE OF KIOSKI. AND OUR CONSTITUENTS HAD OVERWHELMINGLY AS PART OF THE FEEDBACK THAT WE HAD RECEIVED, ASKED FOR PAVING OF THE EISENMAN THROUGH THE VILLAGE ITSELF, AT LEAST, UH, IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA, UM, HAD BEEN ONE OF THE, UM, THE REQUESTS, PEOPLE LIKE THE, THE PAVED AREA IN WEST BEND AND HOW THAT GETS USED, AND THE BUSINESSES AND, UH, RESIDENTS IN THE AREA THOUGHT THAT THEY WOULD USE IT MORE IF IT WAS PAVED THROUGH THAT AREA FOR THOSE, UH, RECREATIONAL PURPOSES. SO, UH, JUST WANTED TO STATE THAT THAT HAD BEEN, UM, ADDRESSED IN OUR RECENT, AS OF, OF THIS YEAR. IT WAS ADOPTED AT OUR DOWNTOWN REDEVELOPMENT PLAN. AND, UH, UH, SO THAT'S BEEN, UH, UH, I GUESS RATIFIED. SO VERY GOOD. D UH, DOES THE, IS THERE AN MOU WITH SCU? NO. SO LITERALLY NOW YOU SEE, YOU WOULD HAVE TO DEVELOP AN MOU, I DON'T KNOW IF THE COUNTY OR WITH THE DNR DEPENDS ON WHICH WAY THAT GOES. SO YOU'RE UP AGAINST IT TOO. YEAH, WE, WE, I, YEAH, WE SAID WE'D HAVE TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY AND THE DNR. WE, WE KNOW THAT WE'RE JUST, UH, THE VILLAGE AND, UH, WE'RE KIND OF AT THE MERCY OF ALL VIEW, BUT, UH, BUT OUR, OUR RESIDENTS WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT. SO IF, UH, WHATEVER WAY THIS PLAN COMES TOGETHER, UH, WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE'D HEAVILY, UH, BE IN FAVOR OF. SO, YEAH. THANK YOU. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL KIND OF, UH, BASICALLY SPIT BALLING HERE. I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT THIS SESSION IS ABOUT, UH, TO TRY AND JUST, UH, I UNDERSTAND THERE'S PEOPLE ON THE PRO SIDE, THE CON SIDE, WHATNOT, BUT AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S ABOUT, UH, GETTING THE INFORMATION. SO TO OUR GUEST, LET ME ASK YOU THIS, THESE, THESE, UM, THE PLANNING THAT YOU HAD KIND [00:45:01] OF BRIEFLY SPOKE OF FOR 2026 WITH THE DNR, UH, THEIR MASTER PLAN, UH, CAN YOU GIMME A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION ON WHAT, HOW THE, UH, EISEN BAUM WOULD BE INVOLVED IN THAT? OR, OR WHAT KIND OF MATERIAL WOULD BE DISCUSSED? YEAH, YEAH. SO AS OF RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE THE PLANNING RESPONSIBILITY IS WITH OUR PARTNERS, IT WOULD BE MENTIONED IN OUR PLAN, BUT WE WOULD NOT DO THE PLANNING FOR IT. IF YOU WANTED US TO DO THE PLANNING FOR IT, THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO AMEND OR WRITE A NEW MOU BETWEEN DNR AND THE COUNTY TO ALLOW FOR US TO DO THAT. 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW, THE MOU GIVES THE RESPONSIBILITY TO THE COUNTY. SO OUR PLAN, AND, AND I COULD MAYBE SEND JAMIE SOME OTHER EXAMPLES, BUT WE, WITH OUR COOPERATIVE PLANS WHERE WE'VE DONE PLANNING, AGAIN, IT, IT MENTIONS THAT IT EXISTS. IT'S A STATE OWNED PROPERTY, UM, GIVES BASIC INFORMATION ABOUT IT, BUT WE DO NOT PLAN FOR IT IN OUR PLAN IF WE DO NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY. SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WHAT, SORRY TO INTERRUPT THERE. CAN YOU ELABORATE? WHAT IS AN ECOLOGICAL, SOMEONE ON MY TEAM TODAY, UM, ASKING ME A QUESTION ABOUT IT, AND I SAID, THIS IS PRE, PRE, PRE, PRE. THERE'S NOTHING, NOTHING TO KNOW AS OF YET. BUT I THINK THAT A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS YOU HAVE, UM, ARE NATURAL FOR A TRAIL PLANNING PROCESS. AND SO I THINK WHETHER AT SOME POINT, WHETHER IT'S KASUM OR OTHER COMMUNITIES OR EVEN, YOU KNOW, DISCUSSIONS WITH FOND DULAC COUNTY AND CITY OF WEST BEND, YOU KNOW, A, A CONSISTENT PLANNING PROCESS EITHER AMONG THE MUNICIPALITIES, UM, OR HAVING THE DNR DO IT FOR ALL THE MUNICIPALITIES AND TAKE OVER THE PLANNING, UM, WOULD BE WARRANTED AS WE GO FORWARD. YOU KNOW, AGAIN, EVEN, EVEN FOND LACS PLAN, THINK THEY WERE STARTING TO REDEVELOP IT IN 2016, AND I'M JUST NOT SURE IF IT WAS REDONE, BUT THEIR OTHER ONE BEFORE THAT WAS DONE IN 2010. SO WE'RE CERTAINLY DUE, UM, ON ALL FRONTS FOR NEW OVERALL MASTER PLANS FOR THE TRAIL. UM, AND AGAIN, I THINK HAVING, UM, CONSTITUENTS BE SUPPORTIVE OF PAVING OR NOT SUPPORTIVE OF PAVING IS, IS WAY DOWN THE ROAD. THE PLANNING PROCESS REALLY NEEDS TO BE THE NEXT ACTION ITEM OUT OF THE GATE BEFORE EVEN ANY OF THAT IS REALLY DISCUSSED. AND SO, AND AGAIN, THE PLANNING PROCESS WOULD WORK TO VET ALL OF THOSE THINGS AND TAKE PUBLIC INPUT ON ALL OF THOSE THINGS, WHETHER THE, THE MUNICIPALITIES CONDUCT THAT PLANNING PROCESS OR THE DNR CONDUCTS THAT PLANNING PROCESS, THAT WOULD, THAT PUBLIC INPUT AND ELEMENT WOULD ALL BE PART OF THAT. OKAY. UH, THE CHAIR WOULD RECOGNIZE JAMIE LUDWIG, YOU HAD A QUESTION? UM, YES. COULD YOU ELABORATE FOR THOSE OF US WHO MAY NOT KNOW WHAT AN ECOLOGICAL PLAN IS THAT YOU'RE DOING IN OUR COMMUNITY? SURE. SO, UM, WE USED TO MASTER PLAN PROPERTY BY PROPERTY, AND WE HAVE HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF PROPERTIES. WELL, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, WHAT THAT MEANT WAS THAT BY THE TIME WE GOT THROUGH EVERY PROPERTY, SOME OF THESE MASTER PLANS, IF THEY EXIST, ARE 25, 30, 40 YEARS OLD. UM, AND A MASTER PLAN SHOULD NOT REALLY TO REMAIN RELEVANT TO, UM, THE ENVIRONMENT, TO THE NATURAL RESOURCE, AND TO THE COMMUNITY THAT USES IT. A MASTER PLAN SHOULD REALLY NOT BE ANY MORE THAN ABOUT 15 YEARS OLD, GIVE OR TAKE. UM, AND SO A FEW YEARS AGO, THE NATURAL RESOURCES BOARD VOTED TO PLAN BY ECOLOGICAL LANDSCAPE INSTEAD OF BY INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY. SO WHAT IT MEANS IS THAT WE DIVIDED OUT THE STATE INTO LANDSCAPES, ECOLOGICAL LANDSCAPES THAT ARE SIMILAR, AND THEN WE PLAN FOR ALL THE PROPERTIES WITHIN THAT LANDSCAPE. AND SO THE EISEN BOND, IF WE, AGAIN, IF, IF THE DEPARTMENT, IF YOU WANTED TO GIVE THAT AUTHORITY BACK TO THE DEPARTMENT, UM, FOR THE PARTICULAR ECOLOGICAL LANDSCAPE THAT THIS TRAIL FALLS IN, THERE ARE COUNTLESS OTHER STATE OWNED PROPERTIES THAT WE'D BE PLANNING FOR ALL AT THE SAME TIME. UM, AND IF YOU JUST GIVE ME A SECOND, I CAN BRING IT UP ON MY OTHER SCREEN HERE JUST SO I CAN SPEAK A LITTLE BIT MORE INTELLIGENTLY TO THE ACTUAL PLAN. UM, BUT AGAIN, THAT ONE WILL START FOR US. WE WILL START IT IN LATE 2025 INTERNALLY, AND IT WILL BE THE PUBLIC PROCESS ELEMENT. WE'LL START IN 2025. UM, SO THIS, THIS, UM, ECOLOGICAL LANDSCAPE THAT THIS FALLS IN IS CALLED SOUTHEAST GLACIAL PLAINS. UM, AND IT'S ABOUT 15 COUNTIES THAT ARE ENCOMPASSED WITHIN THAT ECOLOGICAL LANDSCAPE PLAN. AND IF I'M GUESSING RIGHT, 'CAUSE THE COUNTIES AREN'T LABELED, IT GOES ESSENTIALLY FROM FOND DULAC COUNTY ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE ILLINOIS BORDER. AND IT'S KIND OF A SKINNY STRIP. SO THERE'S A STRIP ALONG LAKE MICHIGAN, AND THEN THERE'S A STRIP DIRECTLY TO THE WEST. UM, AND AGAIN, IT GOES FROM ABOUT FOND LAC COUNTY TO THE COUNTY LINE, AND THEN IT ALSO INCLUDES [00:50:01] DANE COUNTY OVER TO WAUKESHA COUNTY. SO IT'S ABOUT THAT WIDE, IT'S ABOUT THREE COUNTIES WIDE AND ABOUT FIVE COUNTIES HIGH APPROXIMATELY. SO IT'S A BIG ECOLOGICAL LANDSCAPE. OKAY. UM, CHAIR RECOGNIZES CAROL MARY. YEAH. UH, THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. UH, I GUESS I, I GET BACK TO PRELIMINARY THOUGHTS ON THIS THING. WHO HAS JURISDICTION SLASH CONTROL SLASH AUTHORITY OVER THE EISEN BAUM TRAIL NOW, THE COUNTY? WELL, THE, THE DEPARTMENT HAS THE OWNERSHIP, BUT ESSENTIALLY THE COUNTY HAS THE AUTHORITY. YEAH. ALRIGHT. BUT WE'RE ALSO INCLUDING THE CITY OF WEST BEND, THE VILLAGE AYAHUASCA, FOND, DULAC COUNTY, WASHINGTON COUNTY. THERE SEEMS TO ME LIKE THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF ENTITIES NEED TO BE INVOLVED WITH THIS MOUR. SO THERE'S ACTUALLY THREE MOUS. SO, UM, THE CITY OF WEST BEND IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE SEGMENTS THAT GO THROUGH THE CITY OF WEST BEND. WASHINGTON COUNTY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR ESSENTIALLY RIGHT OUTSIDE WEST BEND NORTH TO THE COUNTY LINE. AND THEN FOND DULAC COUNTY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE SEGMENT IN FOND DU LAC COUNTY, AND THEY'RE ALL SEPARATE AND DISTINCT. SO IF YOU WERE TO DO A PLAN, YOU COULD ONLY PLAN FOR THE PORTION THAT THE COUNTY MANAGES OUTSIDE OF WEST BEND NORTH TO THE COUNTY LINE. THAT'S THE ONLY SEGMENT THAT WASHINGTON COUNTY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR. WHERE DOES KIOSKI COME INTO THIS? WE, THERE'S NO AGREEMENT WITH KIOSKI. SO THE PORTIONS THAT GO THROUGH KIOSKI ARE MANAGED BY WASHINGTON COUNTY. OKAY, THANK YOU. UH, THE CHAIR AND IF, IF THAT WERE TO CHANGE, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS ESSENTIALLY THE VILLAGE OF KIOSKI WOULD NEED TO HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY BECAUSE ESSENTIALLY THE DNR GAVE THE AUTHORITY TO THE COUNTY, AND THEN THE COUNTY WOULD HAVE TO GIVE THE AUTHORITY TO, TO KIOSKI, OR WE WOULD HAVE TO AMEND OUR MOU WITH WASHINGTON COUNTY TO TAKE KIOSKI OUT OF IT. AND THEN THE DNR WOULD HAVE A SEPARATE AGREEMENT WITH KIOSKI. SO DID YOU GET ALL THAT FUZZ . ALL RIGHT. UH, THE CHAIR WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE CHAIRMAN SCHLEI, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. UM, AND I'M GLAD WE HAVE SOMEONE FROM WEST BEND HERE. UM, DID WEST BEND PAY FOR THE PAVING ORIGINALLY, OR, UM, WITH YOUR PERMISSION, MR. CHAIR CAN CERTAIN ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? UH, GOOD QUESTION. SO 2007, WHEN WE DID THE PAVING THROUGH WEST BEND, THE ENTIRE PROJECT WAS 700, ABOUT $700,000. UM, OF THAT, DON'T QUOTE ME ON THESE EXACT NUMBERS, IT'S BEEN SINCE 2007, UM, OF THAT, UM, 700,000 I BELIEVE WE HAD A-C-M-A-C GRANT OR A DOT GRANT FOR ABOUT $550,000 OF THAT WORK. THE REMAINDER OF THE MONEY WAS TAX DOLLARS, TIFF, UH, FUNDS AND DONATIONS. UM, FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE PROJECT WITH OUR $700,000 PROJECT, ABOUT 500,000, 500,000 OF THAT WAS ASPHALT GRAVEL AND ASPHALT WORK FOR THE TRAIL. THE REMAINING 200,000 WAS GRADING AND LANDSCAPING. SOME OF OUR MORE URBAN SECTIONS LIKE OUR DOWNTOWN WHERE THE MUSEUM IS, RIVER SHORES DEVELOPMENT, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THE $700,000 PROJECT, IT WASN'T GRAVEL AND ASPHALT, IT WAS GRAVEL, ASPHALT GRADING, SOME LANDSCAPING, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO, UM, AND SO DOES THE MOU INCLUDE YOU DOING MAINTENANCE ON THAT? SO BASICALLY OUR, THE GENERAL RULE, AND IT GETS VERY CONVOLUTED, WHO IT'S A STATE TRAIL MANAGED BY THE COUNTY AND CITY OF WEST BEND, ALL THAT. I, I GET THAT. I GO THROUGH THE SAME STORY MANY TIMES A YEAR. I DO. BECAUSE WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT GENERAL RULE OF THUMB IS THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT THE CITY OF WEST BEND DID TO THE TRAIL WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR. WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT MAINTENANCE. WE ASPHALTED IT, WE GET A CRACK SEAL, WE HAVE TO SEAL, WE DID THE LANDSCAPING THAT I HAD MENTIONED. WE HAVE MANY TURF AREAS IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA. WE MAINTAIN ALL OF THAT. THE COUNTY DOES NOT SEEMS SOMEWHAT SIMPLE, BUT THE, UM, TRAFFIC SIGNS THAT ARE ON THE TRAIL, YIELD AHEAD, STOP, ADD, STOP SIGNS, ALL THAT, THAT'S ACTUALLY THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE COUNTY. 'CAUSE THAT'S PART OF THE TRAIL. UM, GRAVEL OR ASPHALT, OUR IMPROVEMENTS ARE NOT, ET CETERA. THAT WAS THERE WITH, BECAUSE THE COUNTY CAME IN, COUNTY DID THEIR IMPROVEMENTS TO THE TRAIL COUNTY SAID WE'RE DONE. WE DID OUR MOU AT THE COUNTY AND WE, BECAUSE THE CITY OF WEST BEND WANTED MORE IMPROVEMENTS, OUR IMPROVEMENTS WE THEN MAINTAIN WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR 'EM. THANK YOU. THAT'S VERY INFORMATIVE. UM, THEN WHEN I LOOK AT SOME OF THE INFORMATION WE GOT, UM, IT TALKS ABOUT COST FOR PAVING AND SHOULDERING AND THERE'S A 40,000 FOOT AND A 31,300 FOOT, UM, ESTIMATE. [00:55:01] I WOULD GUESS THAT THE 31,300 GOES FROM BARTON THROUGH KI WASUM AND THE 40,000 GOES ALL THE WAY TO THE COUNTY LINE. THAT'S CORRECT. MM-HMM, . OKAY. ARE YOU JUMPING THE ROUTE ON ME HERE, CHAIRMAN ? WE HAVEN'T PRESENTED THAT YET. OH, SORRY. IT'S PART OF THE INFORMATION JUST GIVING YOU, UM, BUT YEAH, OBVIOUSLY THEN WHATEVER GETS PAID HAS TO HAVE AN MOU ON WHO'S GOING TO TAKE CARE OF IT, CORRECT? MM-HMM. , YES. AND I WILL ADD THAT IT'S BEEN POINTED OUT THAT THE COUNTY HAS SOME MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITIES WITH REGARDS TO THIS TRAIL AT PRESENT AND THINGS LIKE WAY FINDING SIGNAGE DO APPEAR IN OUR 2050 PLAN. RIGHT. SO AS WE START TALKING ABOUT THE RESPONSIBILITY OF TAKE, JUST FORGET ASPHALT, RIGHT? JUST PLANNING FOR THIS TRAIL AND COOPERATING AND BEING, YOU KNOW, A GOOD STEWARD OF THAT. I DO THINK THAT THERE IS, IS THE TIMING OF THIS CONVERSATION IS, IS HELPFUL IN TERMS OF JUST A LOT OF WHAT IS BEING SAID. UM, I, WE ARE UNAWARE OF. UM, AND SO IT'S HELPFUL TO, SO I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT, THAT THERE ARE OTHER PIECES OF THE MAINTENANCE OF THE EISEN EISENMAN TRAIL THAT NEED TO BE CONSIDERED. AND WE ALREADY LEARNED THAT THE SNOWMOBILE TRAIL PEOPLE KIND OF TAKE CARE OF BRUSH TOO AT SOME POINT IN THE YEAR. SO THANK YOU. OKAY. UH, DO WE HAVE ANY MORE BEFORE WE MOVE ON WITH THE ENGINEER'S ESTIMATE? UM, DO WE HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR OUR GUEST? SO DNR WISE, CAN I JUST ASK BACK IN THE ROOM, UH, WHAT'S THAT? I HAVE ONE FOR THE DNR. OKAY. UH, LET'S FIRST, UH, DEFER TO SUPERVISOR KREBS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. UM, SINCE I'M NOT SURE WHAT, WHICH STAKEHOLDERS, THE BIG DRIVER OR CATALYST AND SOME OF THESE CHANGES, BUT OBVIOUSLY THE VILLAGE OF KI WASUM IS A LARGE ENOUGH SEGMENT TO THIS. UM, AND IF THEY DO HAVE A DESIRE FOR DOWNTOWN IMPROVEMENTS LIKE THIS, WOULD IT BE SOMETHING SINCE THE COUNTY HAS AUTHORITY IN THAT AREA RIGHT NOW, THAT, UH, THOSE IMPROVEMENTS WOULD HAPPEN UNDERNEATH OUR MOU OR OUR AUTHORITY? OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD BE BETTER OFF SECEDING THAT BACK TO THE DNR DIRECT TO KISCO? YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU COULD DO IT EITHER WAY IF, IF RIGHT NOW IT WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE UNDER THE COUNTY'S AUTHORITY BECAUSE YOU HAVE AUTHORITY OVER MAINTENANCE AND DEVELOPMENT OF THAT PORTION OF THE TRAIL WITHIN THE COUNTY. SO IF YOU WANTED US TO HAVE AN AGREEMENT DIRECTLY WITH THE VILLAGE OF KIOSK, WE WOULD ALSO HAVE TO REDO OUR MOU WITH WASHINGTON COUNTY AS WELL, UM, TO REMOVE THAT RESPONSIBILITY FROM YOUR MOU. SO YOU COULD DO SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, WE COULD EITHER BE A THIRD PARTY TO IT OR YOU COULD DO THAT THROUGH JUST WASHINGTON COUNTY AND KI WASUM. UM, SO WE CAN, THERE ARE OPTIONS THERE. CERTAINLY. UM, IF IT'S MORE OF JUST A MAINTENANCE ELEMENT, IT COULD BE AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN KI WASUM AND THE COUNTY. IF IT'S MORE OF AN OVERALL AUTHORITY ELEMENT WHERE YOU'RE LIKE, WE WANNA TAKE THIS SEGMENT OUT OF OUR AUTHORITY COMPLETELY, UM, THEN IT WOULD BE BEST FOR US TO REDEVELOP OUR MOU WITH THE COUNTY AND DEVELOP A PORTION OF A NEW MOU WITH KIOSKI. OKAY. OKAY. UM, JAMIE, DO YOU WANNA PRESENT ON THE ENGINEER'S ESTIMATE? UM, SURE. SO THEN LASTLY, I JUST WANNA POINT OUT, WE DID HAVE THE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT PREPARE AN ESTIMATE AT A VERY, VERY, VERY HIGH LEVEL. IT DOES NOT, YOU'LL NOTICE THERE'S A FOOTNOTE, UM, ABOUT IT, WHAT IT DOES NOT INCLUDE. AND CERTAINLY THERE WERE SOME ENGINEERING TREE TRIMMING BASE MATERIALS, KIND OF THE GRADING WORK. WE DID NOT DESIGN THIS. AGAIN, WE WERE LOOKING JUST AT VERY HIGH LEVEL TO GIVE A BALLPARK OF WHAT SOMETHING LIKE THIS MIGHT COST. UM, YOU DID HEAR THE CITY OF WEST BEND TALK ABOUT HOW THEIR PORTION OF THE TRAIL WAS FUNDED. SO THERE ARE FUNDING STREAMS OUT THERE. UM, BUT AGAIN, AT THIS POINT, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE NEAR MAKING A DECISION, BUT JUST WANTING TO KIND OF GIVE AN IDEA OF THE MAGNITUDE THAT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT SOMETHING LIKE THIS COSTS, UM, IT OBVIOUSLY COMPETES WITH OTHER FUNDING STREAMS OR OTHER PRIORITIES, BOTH IN TERMS OF PROJECT MANAGEMENT AS WELL AS THE PHYSICAL COST FOR, FOR DOING SO. SO HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. I WOULD USE THIS JUST AS A VERY HIGH LEVEL, YOU KNOW, HERE'S KIND OF AN IDEA OF WHAT SOMETHING LIKE THIS MIGHT COST. UM, AND WE WOULD NOT USE THESE NUMBERS IN THE FUTURE REALLY, OTHER THAN THEY'RE JUST TO GIVE AN IDEA OF INTEREST LEVEL, YOU KNOW, BEFORE WE MAKE ANY DECISIONS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. OKAY. UM, AND TO KIND OF SHARE THESE COSTS, UH, WE HAVE A, A 40,000 FOOT [01:00:01] DISTANCE UP FOR 2 MILLION, UH, $80,000. WHICH SEGMENT WAS THAT? THAT WOULD BE NORTH OF THE EXISTING PAVEMENT TO THE COUNTY LINE. OKAY. UM, SO THEN THE OTHER ONE WOULD BE BASICALLY WHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE KIND OF TALKING ABOUT HERE IS THE, THE 31,300 FOOT SEGMENT, WHICH WOULD BE ABOUT, UH, $1.627 MILLION. UM, ARE YOU GIVING THE SAME NUMBER? I SEE 280,000, NOT 2,000,080. THAT'S THE UH, OKAY. ALL DIFFERENT ARGUMENT. YEAH. COLUMN, YEAH. DIFFERENT. SO THE NUMBERS ARE SIMILAR. YEAH. TOTAL COST PAVING WITH SHOULDER, UM, FOR EACH SEGMENT ON THE BOTTOM. SO, SO, UM, BASICALLY THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE UP AGAINST IS, IS, UH, SEVERAL MILLION DOLLARS, UM, IN COST ASSOCIATED AND, AND THERE'S POSSIBILITIES THAT THERE COULD BE GRANTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THOSE ARE THINGS WE TRY TO LOOK AT WHEN WE FIGURE OUT THESE THINGS OR WHEN WE LOOK AT THESE THINGS. UM, YOU KNOW, BUT, BUT WITH THAT YOU ALSO HAVE TO FIGURE IN USAGE. UM, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH IS CURRENTLY BEING USED BETWEEN WEST BEND AND KIOSKI. UH, YOU KNOW, THAT FOR THE WARRANTING OF, OF ASPHALT, UM, AND HOW MUCH IS BEING USED DURING THE WINTERTIME, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY SNOWMOBILES ARE ON IT. YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT THEY, THEY WE WOULD HAVE PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT WOULD TAKE NUMBERS ON THAT AND STUFF AS WELL. UM, SO ANYTHING ELSE YOU, UH, WISH TO PRESENT? UH OH, I'M SORRY. UH, YES, UH, SUPERVISOR BOSER HAD A QUESTION? UH, YEAH, A COUPLE QUESTIONS ACTUALLY. UH, FIRST ONE IS, UM, ARE THERE OTHER SNOWMOBILE ROUTES RIGHT NOW AND SNOWMOBILE TRAILS IN THAT PART OF THE COUNTY, OR IS THAT AREA DEVOID OF OTHER SNOWMOBILE TRAILS? AND I'M THINKING THAT'S A QUESTION FOR MS. LUDOVIC. I'M GONNA PUNT SEE IF MAYBE, UM, MISSY HAS A BETTER ANSWER FOR THAT. I, NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF, I DON'T HAVE A BETTER ANSWER FROM THAT, BUT, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT, UM, IS IT, NO, YOU CANNOT DUPLICATE SNOWMOBILE MILES, MEANING THERE CAN'T BE A TRAIL ADJACENT TO THIS ONE THAT CAN ALSO GET REIMBURSED. SO I'M GONNA GUESS THAT THIS IS PROBABLY A NORTH SOUTH CONNECTION. UM, EVEN JUST WITHOUT LOOKING, I'M GONNA GUESS THAT THE EISEN BOND IS PROBABLY A NORTH SOUTH CONNECTION, UM, TO EAST WEST ROUTES. BUT I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THE COUNTY SNOWMOBILE MAP TO SEE THAT. SO I'M NOT SURE WANT TO ANSWER THAT. UH, ACTUALLY YOU CAN TELL YOU AND YOU CAN ANSWER . I DON'T WANT TO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT TRAILS FLOW INTO IT. OKAY. IT'S REALLY, THE TRAIL WAS CREATED ORIGINALLY. IT'S A MAIN CONNECTING CORRIDOR CONNECTING THE WHOLE COUNTY. OKAY. SO JUST TO REPEAT THAT, IT, THIGHS AND BON IS SET UP AS A CONNECTOR, SO A LOT OF THE SNOWMOBILE TRAILS FLOW IN AND OUT OF IT, AND IT'S A MAIN CONNECTOR OF THE COUNTY. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THEN, UM, THERE WAS A COMMENT MADE, UH, BY THE GENTLEMAN WITH THE SNOWMOBILE CLUB THAT IF IMPROVEMENTS ARE MADE, THEN AT THAT POINT RULES ARE ESSENTIALLY FROZEN AND WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO CREATE NEW RULES FOR THE, FOR THE TRAIL. UM, I'M NOT SURE I'M TOTALLY UNDERSTANDING THAT, RIGHT. SO IF I'M MISSTATING THAT I'M OPEN TO CORRECTIONS, BUT IS THAT CORRECT OR NOT? OR I MEAN, DO WE STILL HAVE RULE MAKING AUTHORITY OVER THIS TRAIL? WE, WE DO HAVE AUTHORITY OVER THE TRAIL. I THINK WHAT HE'S REFERRING TO IS THAT SHOULD WE COME UP WITH A COMPROMISE OF AN AGREEMENT THAT WE WOULD HONOR THAT. RIGHT. OKAY. YEAH. AND, AND OF COURSE THAT'S THE BASICS OF THE COMPROMISE, THAT IF WE AGREE THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'LL WORK FOR EVERYBODY, WE'RE GONNA HONOR THAT FOR A SET PERIOD OF TIME UNTIL, YOU KNOW, MAYBE 20, 25 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD NEEDS MAY CHANGE AND WE MAY NEED TO REVISIT THAT. SO YEAH. OKAY. UM, IF WE DID PAVE IT, WE WOULD NOT EXCLUDE SNOWMOBILES FROM THE TRAIL. CORRECT? YEAH, I I THINK YOU'D HAVE TO DETERMINE THAT THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE PLANNING PROCESS. BUT YOU WOULD NOT, THAT WOULD NOT BY THE ACT, BY THE ACT OF PAVING. IT WOULD NOT UDE SNOWMOBILE USE. THERE WOULD BE MINOR IMPACTS TO SNOWMOBILE USE, BUT IT WOULD NOT DISPLACE SNOWMOBILE USE. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. UH, SUPERVISOR TROUTNER, UM, I JUST HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE PUBLIC PROCESS. UM, YOU SAID THAT THE DNR COULD DO [01:05:01] THAT OR ELSE THE COUNTY COULD, WHAT KIND OF COST IS WITH THAT? AND IF THE DNR DOES THAT, DOES THE COUNTY HAVE TO PAY THE DNR OR, UM, IF THE COUNTY WOULD LIKE THE DNR TO DO THE PLANNING PROCESS AGAIN, WE WOULD JUST HAVE TO UPDATE OUR MOU AND DO A NEW MOU TO DETERMINE THAT. AND THERE WOULD BE NO COST FROM THE DEPARTMENT FOR US TO DO THAT, TO DO THE PLANNING. OKAY, THANK YOU. IF WE WERE TO DO THAT, THE TIMING WOULD BE SUCH THAT IF THE COUNTY WERE INTERESTED IN THAT, UM, WE WOULD WANNA DETERMINE THAT IN THE NEXT SIX MONTHS OR SO. SO THAT WOULD BE THE TIMEFRAME BECAUSE WE WOULD WANNA HAVE THAT UPDATED AGREEMENT EXECUTED IN TIME FOR US TO INCLUDE THIS PORTION OF THE EISEN BOND IN OUR ECOLOGICAL LANDSCAPE, WHICH AGAIN, INTERNALLY WOULD START IN LATE 2025, BUT PUBLIC WISE WOULD START IN 2026. UM, JUST OFF TO THE SIDE, WE WOULD ALSO WANNA HAVE DISCUSSIONS WITH FOND LAC COUNTY, UM, AND WEST BEND ABOUT THEIR INTEREST IN HAVING US PLAN THOSE PORTIONS. UM, THEIR INTEREST OR NON-INTEREST WOULD NOT IMPACT IT. SO IF WASHINGTON COUNTY WAS INTERESTED IN HAVING THE DNR PLAN THIS PORTION, IF FOND LAC AND WEST BEND WERE NOT INTERESTED IN HAVING THE DEPARTMENT, WE COULD STILL MOVE FORWARD WITH PLANNING THIS PORTION. OKAY. ANY FINAL, UH, FROM OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING HERE? UH, SUPERVISOR KREBS, I GUESS, UM, I WOULD SAY IT WOULD START TO HELP IF THIS COMMITTEE UNDERSTANDS OUR TRUE RESPONSIBILITIES TO THIS, TO THIS TRAIL. I, I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER STEPPED FOOT ON THIS TRAIL, HONESTLY, SO I DON'T KNOW A WHOLE LOT ABOUT IT. UM, I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO GO BACK AND JUST START TO REVIEW THE HISTORICAL ASPECTS OF IT. ACTUALLY GET A COPY OF THE MOU, SEE WHAT, WHAT WE HAVE FOR HISTORICAL DATA RELEVANT TO IT, IF THERE'S SURVEYS, EXISTING MAPS, YOU KNOW, SEE WHAT OTHER MAPS THAT EITHER THE CITY OF WEST BEND HAS, THE SNOWMOBILE MAPS, HOW THEY REALLY ALL START TO LAY TOGETHER AN IMPACT IN THERE AND STUFF. UM, AFTER THAT, I THINK WOULD THEN BE WISE, WE, WE WOULD BE BETTER INFORMED TO REALLY START TO GET A GOOD IDEA OF WHERE TO STEER THIS DISCUSSION TOWARDS OR WHAT THE NEXT FIGURE OUT WHAT OUR NEXT STEPS REALLY WOULD BE AT THAT POINT. UM, AND I THINK THEN WE WOULD BE WISE TO, WHETHER WE DO IT DNR DOES IT, HOWEVER, OR COOPERATION OF THE TWO, UM, I'M SURE WE SHOULD UPDATE OUR MAPS, YOU KNOW, OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLANS TO INCLUDE THIS, BECAUSE THAT'S PROBABLY A COMPONENT OF THE MOU. SO, UM, THAT'S WHAT I THINK THE NEXT STEPS SHOULD BE, SO. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND AGAIN, UM, I'D JUST LIKE TO REITERATE THAT, UH, THIS IS STRICTLY AN INFORMATIONAL, WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO PUSH ANY PLANS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. THIS WAS JUST TO KIND OF GET A HIGH LEVEL VIEW OF WHAT WOULD ALL BE INVOLVED IN, IN THIS PROCESS. UH, IT DOES NOT SIGNIFY THAT WE'RE INTERESTED IN DOING IT OR, OR ANYTHING ELSE. SO I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO GET THE WRONG IMPRESSION. THIS WAS STRICTLY SO THAT WE CAN ALL KIND OF UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PROCESS WOULD LOOK LIKE OR WHAT WE WOULD BE UP AGAINST AS FAR AS STATE AND COSTS AND, UH, MEMORANDUMS OF UNDERSTANDING ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT ARE INVOLVED IN IT. UM, SO WITH THAT AND SEEING NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, UH, I GUESS WE'LL CONSIDER THIS MEETING CLOSED. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. AND ASIDE, . * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. 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