Mar 19, 2025 Public Safety Committee Meeting

THANK YOU FOR SHARING THE INFORMATION ABOUT THE INCIDENT AND THE GREAT JOB THAT OUR, UH, DEPUTY, OUR CORRECTIONS OFFICERS ARE DOING.

ITEM THREE B ON THE AGENDA IS THE 2025 RESOLUTION ADVISORY RESOLUTION URGING GOVERNOR EVERS AND THE WISCONSIN LEGISLATURE TO SUPPORT THE COUNTY COURTS.

AND FOR THAT WE HAVE CLERK OF COURTS, SHERRY KANDAL.

THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE THIS MORNING.

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I CAN GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW.

UM, SO THE CIRCUIT COURT COURTS ACROSS THE STATE ARE SIGNIFICANTLY UNDERFUNDED BY THE STATE.

AND BY THAT I MEAN THAT THE COUNTIES THEMSELVES SUPPORT THE COURT SYSTEM.

AT LEAST 80% OF THE FUNDING COMES THROUGH THE COURT LE OR COMES THROUGH THE COUNTY LEVIES AND THEIR OWN GENERAL FUNDS.

ONLY 20% OF THE STATE FUNDING GETS PUT INTO ANY OF THE COUNTY FUNDINGS FOR THE CIRCUIT COURTS.

SO THE WISCONSIN COUNTY'S ASSOCIATION PARTNERED WITH THE CLERK OF COURTS ASSOCIATION AND CONVEYED ON THE CAPITOL, UH, LAST MONTH AND TALKED TO THE LEGISLATORS AND ASKING THEM TO INCREASE THAT SUPPORT.

THAT SUPPORT REQUEST IS FOR $70 MILLION.

NOW, FORTUNATELY, OR UNFORTUNATELY, I GUESS IT DEPENDS ON HOW YOU LOOK AT IT, THE GOVERNOR HAS PLACED $24 MILLION IN HIS BUDGET PROPOSAL FOR NEXT YEAR AND $70 MILLION FOR THE FOLLOWING YEAR.

WELL, WE TALKED TO THE WISCONSIN COUNTY'S ASSOCIATION AND OUR CLERK'S ASSOCIATION, AND WE ARE GOING TO STAY THE TASK.

WE NEED TO NOT ONLY KEEP THAT IN THE BUDGET, BUT WE NEED TO KEEP MOVING FORWARD IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT DOESN'T GET CUT IN WHAT THE JOINT FINANCIAL COMMITTEE MAY OR MAY NOT CUT IN THEIR VOTINGS ON APRIL 4TH.

UH, THAT JOINT COMMITTEE WILL BE AT THE STATE COUNTY FAIRGROUNDS.

I PLAN ON ATTENDING THAT AND CONTINUING TO CONVEY THE NEED THAT WE HAVE AT OUR COUNTY LEVEL FOR THE SUPPORT BY OUR STATE.

AND, UM, WE'RE HOPING THAT IT GOES THROUGH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'LL LOOK LIKE IN THE END.

THE INTENTION IS THAT IT GO TO THE SUPPORT SUPPORT PROGRAM AND IT BE DIVVIED OUT MUCH LIKE IT DOES IN THE 80 20 ONLY AT A BIGGER PERCENTAGE.

UM, THE STATE COURT IS GOING TO, THE STATE COURT DIRECTOR'S OFFICE IS GOING TO BE THE ONE IN CHARGE OF THAT.

THE GOAL THERE IS TO TRY TO MAKE IT AS USABLE FUNDS AS POSSIBLE.

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? THAT MEANS THAT WE'RE FORTUNATE HERE IN WASHINGTON COUNTY THAT WE HAVE A GREAT, UM, STAFF AND GREAT JUDGES, AND OUR INTERPRETER COSTS AREN'T NEARLY AS SIGNIFICANT AS OTHERS.

UM, BUT WE DO HAVE SIGNIFICANT GAL COSTS, SO THE REASON WHY THEY WANNA PUT IT INTO THE COURT APPROPRIATIONS FUND IS SO THAT WE CAN GET THE MOST OF THAT MONEY BACK FOR THE NEED THAT WE HAVE IN THIS COUNTY.

SO, VERY GOOD.

THANK YOU FOR THAT BACKGROUND INFORMATION.

DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE RESOLUTION AS PRESENTED? I'LL MOTION.

I'LL SECOND IT.

UM, FOR DISCUSSION, CHAIRMAN SLE IS ASKED FOR THE FLOOR.

PLEASE, SIR.

UM, IN A CONVERSATION WITH A COUNTY EXECUTIVE LAST WEEK, UH, THIS CAME UP AND I'VE BEEN ONE THAT'S BEEN PUSHING FOR THIS.

I'M NOT USUALLY MUCH FOR ADVISORY RESOLUTIONS, BUT IN THIS CASE, IT MEETS ABOUT A MILLION BUCKS IN OUR BUDGET.

SO IF WE GET THAT MONEY FROM THE STATE, WE DON'T HAVE TO CHARGE THE TAXPAYERS FOR IT.

SIMPLE AS THAT.

I, I TRULY BELIEVE THAT WE ARE SPOKES ON THE WHEEL AND EVERYONE NEEDS TO DO THEIR PART.

AND, AND THAT'S WHY I'M HERE IS TO DO MY PART.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? YEAH, I, IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS, IF THE STATE TAKES ON THE RESPONSIBILITY AS IT HAS AND THEN FAILS TO LIVE UP TO THAT RESPONSIBILITY, IT OUGHT TO SOME, SOMEONE NEEDS TO CALL 'EM TO TASK.

AND THANK YOU FOR, UM, YOUR PART IN DOING THOSE EFFORTS.

ARE, IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, SAY AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ITEM THREE C ON THE AGENDA I OR AN EMS UPDATE.

FOR THAT WE HAVE CHIEF PUBLIC SAFETY, UH, OFFICER DAVE SAGER.

GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN.

HARTFORD FIRE DEPARTMENT.

SO FINALLY, AFTER SIX MONTHS, UH, IT'S FINDING HOW QUICKLY TIME GOES.

UH, WE WILL HAVE A PRESENTATION LATER ON THIS MONTH FOR THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT, UH, HEALTHCARE STRATEGISTS

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WILL BE PUTTING FORWARD.

SO I AM VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS, WHAT THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS PROVIDE.

AND WORKING ALONGSIDE OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT OFFICIALS, ALONG WITH CHIEF ELECTED OFFICIALS, ALONG WITH THE COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND THE EXECUTIVE AS TO HOW WE CAN MANAGE THE CIRCUMSTANCES THAT ARE BEFORE US.

VERY WELL.

THANK YOU FOR THAT REPORT.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE SEEING NONE.

WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM.

ITEM 3D, REQUEST FROM MUNICIPAL PUBLIC SAFETY RADIO GRANT.

UM, THIS IS A TYPICAL ITEM, BUT DO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND? SO MOVED.

AND A SECOND FROM SUPERVISOR TOMA.

ANY DISCUSSION OR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THIS ITEM? CAN, IT IS FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD.

ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, SAY AYE.

ARE THERE ANY OPPOSED? THAT MOTION CARRIES.

OUR NEXT MEETING DATE WILL BE APRIL 16TH, 2025.

THANKS AGAIN FOR YOUR INTEREST AND DEDICATION TO THE CITIZENS OF WASHINGTON COUNTY.

WE ARE ADJOURNED.

THAT MY APOLOGIES IN ADVANCE.

WHAT'S THAT? SOUNDS LIKE IT.

UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

WELL, SCHOOL WITH SON AND THEY, SO NOW I, HE SON-IN-LAW, WHICH,

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WE ARE ALL HERE, UH, EXCEPT FOR SUPERVISOR SICE, WHO WAS HOME SICK.

UH, WE'LL HOPE FOR A SPEED OF RE RECOVERY.

UM, THIS MEETING WAS NOTE POSTED BY THE CLERK'S OFFICE APPROPRIATELY.

UM, SO WE'LL MOVE RIGHT INTO THE MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING, WHICH WERE IN THE PACKET.

ARE THERE ANY CORRECTIONS? I'M GOOD JUDGE.

IF NOT, THEY'LL STAND AS POSTED.

SO OUR FIRST, FIRST ITEM IS THE BROWNFIELD SITE REDEVELOPMENT PROGRAM FUNDING REQUEST FOR REGAL PLACE.

MOTION.

MOTION BY SUPERVISOR KEL, SECOND BY SUPERVISOR SHARIN.

SO THIS IS THE, UM, FIFTH FUNDING REQUEST.

UM, IT SHOULD BE THE LAST FUNDING REQUEST, UH, FOR REGO PLACE, UH, FOR 52,000, UH, $519, UM, OF WHICH 42,000, UM, WILL COME FROM THE COUNTY ASSESSMENT FUND.

UM, IT'S GOING TO COMPLETE THE CASE CLOSURE.

THERE'S A BULLETED LIST OF WHAT THE SCOPE OF WORK INCLUDES.

UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? IT'S QUITE AN EXTENSIVE LIST.

SO DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION? THERE BEING NONE.

ANY OPPOSED? PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

UM, AS WE, UH, CONSIDERED WHERE DO WE GO WITH THE CLINIC.

NEXT UP IS THE ONSITE DISCUSSION CONCERNING THE CLINIC.

WELCOME, TODD SCOTT.

GOOD EVENING.

SO I THINK WHAT I WANNA DO IS FIRST JUST KINDA GIVE EVERYBODY A LITTLE REFRESHER AS TO WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THE ONSITE CLINIC, UM, AND THEN KIND OF GIVE YOU, UH, WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING AND IDEALLY HOPING WE CAN GET, UM, ANY FEEDBACK THAT YOU MAY HAVE REGARDING THOUGHT PROCESS OR OTHERWISE.

SO FIRST OFF, UM, AS EVERYONE KNOWS, WE DO HAVE AN ONSITE CLINIC RIGHT NOW.

WE PARTNER WITH THE CITY OF WEST BEND.

UM, THE COST OF OUR CLINIC IS ABOUT $274,000, OF WHICH WE PAY ABOUT $163,000 OF THAT, RIGHT? ABOUT 60%.

UM, THE, THE, OUR EMPLOYEES, AND AGAIN, THEY HAVE TO BE PART OF OUR HEALTH PLAN.

THEY USE ABOUT 42.5% OF THE FULL UTILIZATION OF THE CLINIC.

THE REMAINDER OF THAT EITHER GOES TO THE CITY OR IT'S UTILIZATION THAT'S NOT BEING USED AT ALL.

UM, WHAT'S GOING ON NOW, AND I KNOW THIS IS BROUGHT UP, BEEN BROUGHT UP TO YOU GUYS BEFORE THE CITY OF WEST BEND HAS MADE THE DECISION TO LEAVE OUR CLINIC, UM, AND THEN GO OUT ON THEIR OWN.

AND SO, UM, BASICALLY THAT MEANS THAT, THAT WE OWN THAT ENTIRE SHARE OF THE COST OF THE CLINIC.

IT WON'T BE SPLIT ANYMORE WITH THE CITY.

UM, THE OTHER THING THAT'S HAPPENING IS, AND YOU ALSO KNOW THIS, THE WHOLE MASTER PLAN PIECE REQUIRES, UH, A DECISION ON WHERE THE CLINIC GOES.

SO DO WE MOVE THE CLINIC TO THE LOCATION WITHIN OUR FACILITY LIKE WE INITIALLY TALKED ABOUT, OR, OR HOW DO WE MOVE FORWARD? SO, UM, AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, THE COST OF THAT, THAT MOVE IS ABOUT A $250,000 ONE TIME COST TO MOVE IT.

UM, WE DID LOOK AT A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS,

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UM, ONE OF THOSE WAS, ARE THERE OTHER PARTNERS IN THE AREA? UM, SO IDEALLY THEY HAVE TO BE A SELF-INSURED PROVIDER.

THEY HAVE TO BE A FAIRLY LARGE EMPLOYER.

NOT HUGE, BUT FAIRLY LARGE.

WE'VE APPROACHED THOSE THAT WE COULD THINK OF IN THE AREA TO SEE IF THERE'D BE AN INTEREST FOR 20 25, 20 26, 25, 26.

NOBODY'S INTERESTED IN PARTNERING TODAY.

UM, POTENTIAL OF ONE OR TWO, MAYBE GOING INTO LATE 26, 27, BUT AT THIS POINT THEY DON'T WANNA PULL THE TRIGGER.

UM, THAT'S FINE.

WE LOOKED AT, UM, CAN WE JUST INCREASE UTILIZATION? AND SO OUR HISTORY, WE'VE, WE'VE HAD HIGHER UTILIZATIONS IN 20 18, 20 19, UM, AND THEN COVID STARTED, AND THEN WE WENT FROM QUADMED TO FREIGHTER.

AND SO ALL THOSE THINGS DECREASED OUR UTILIZATION SO WE COULD INCREASE THE UTILIZATION THAT IF WE WOULD DO THAT AND GET BACK TO WHERE WE WERE, THAT WOULD EQUATE TO THE COST OF WHAT THE CLINIC IS.

UM, FROM A SAVING STANDPOINT.

UM, WE ALSO COULD REDUCE THE HOURS OF THE CLINIC, GO FROM A 40 HOUR A WEEK CLINIC TO A 30 HOUR WEEK CLINIC.

UM, AGAIN, PROS AND CONS TO, WITH ALL OF THOSE, RIGHT? WHAT ARE THOSE HOURS? WILL WE MAINTAIN THAT UTILIZATION WE HAVE? WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? SO WE LOOKED AT ALL OF THOSE.

UH, WE ALSO, UM, FINALLY LOOKED AT NEAR SITE OPTIONS.

THERE ARE SOME OPTIONS.

QUAD MED WEST BEND MEDICAL, UM, THERE ARE A COUPLE MORE.

UM, SO WE LOOKED AT THOSE AND WHAT THE COST WOULD BE TO GO NEAR SITE.

AND THEN THE LAST THING WE LOOKED AT IS DO WE JUST CLOSE THE CLINIC ALTOGETHER? UM, AND WHAT WOULD BE THE IMPACT THERE? WE MADE THE DECISION THEN TO GO FORWARD AND TALK TO OUR EMPLOYEES AND SEE WHERE THEY WERE AT AND SO ON.

SO WE DID HAVE A MEETING WITH OUR EMPLOYEES.

UM, WE HAD MORE THAN 50 PEOPLE SHOW UP.

I'D LOVE TO TELL YOU IT WAS 60, 70, 80, I DON'T KNOW.

IT WAS OVER 50.

UM, WE KIND OF SHARED THE SAME INFORMATION THAT I BRIEFLY SHARED WITH YOU AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS, THIS, UM, PRESENTATION.

UM, WE THEN, WHEN WE FINISHED THE PRESENTATION, PROVIDED A SURVEY TO THEM AND WE BASICALLY HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS REGARDING ARE THEY CURRENTLY A PART OF OUR HEALTH PLAN OR NOT? DO THEY USE THE CLINIC? IF, IF SO, HOW MUCH DO THEY USE THE CLINIC? AND THEN HOW WOULD THEY RANK ALL OF THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT I JUST TALKED ABOUT AS TO WHAT THEY WOULD PREFER TO DO AND SO ON.

UM, OVERWHELMINGLY SO WE, FIRST OF ALL, WE HAD A 188 PEOPLE FILL OUT THAT SURVEY.

WE HAVE ABOUT 390 PEOPLE IN OUR HEALTH PLAN.

UM, SO, UH, AGAIN, A, A DECENT RESPONSE, 40 PLUS PERCENT, UM, RESPONSE FOR A SURVEY.

UM, THE OVERWHELMING SUPPORT WAS TO KEEP THE CLINIC 40 HOURS A WEEK.

THAT WAS ABOUT 63% OF, OF THE PEOPLE WHO COMPLETED THAT SURVEY WHO WANTED THAT.

UM, THE NEXT WAS KEEPING THE CLINIC, BUT REDUCING THE HOURS.

THAT WAS ABOUT 23%.

UM, AND THEN NEAR SITE WAS 10% AND CLOSING THE CLINIC WAS FOUR PER, UH, 4%.

EIGHT PEOPLE, 14 OF THE PEOPLE WHO TOOK THE SURVEY AREN'T PART OF OUR HEALTH PLAN.

SO, UM, AGAIN, I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT'S GOOD INFORMATION.

I THINK IT'S GOOD DATA.

UM, I THINK CERTAINLY BY KEEPING THE CLINIC HERE, THERE IS A COST THAT THE COUNTY'S GOING TO HAVE TO INCUR FOR A WINDOW OF TIME UNTIL WE INCREASE, UH, UTILIZATION OR WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BEAR THAT COST.

UM, AARON, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S INFORMATION THAT YOU HAVE REGARDING SOME OF THE FUNDING AND WHAT, HOW THAT WORKS.

UM, BOTH, BOTH.

I MEAN, THE A HUNDRED, 160,000, A HUNDRED AND SOME THOUSAND DOLLARS WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO PAY PER SURE.

UM, SO CURRENTLY WE'VE GOT A FUND BALANCE IN THE HEALTH INSURANCE FUND.

UM, AT THIS POINT, THAT FUND BALANCE WOULD BE RELIED UPON TO HELP US BRIDGE THAT GAP UNTIL WE INCREASE THAT UTILIZATION AND, AND, UH, AND THE COST MODEL, UH, BALANCE BACK OUT.

THAT'S SORT OF THE WAY WE WOULD, WE WOULD INTEND TO PHASE IN, UH, THIS IMPLEMENTATION.

SO, UM, AT THE END OF THE DAY, I GUESS BRINGING IT FORWARD JUST FROM A DISCUSSION STANDPOINT TO KIND OF MAKE SURE IF YOU GUYS HAVE INPUT QUESTIONS, WE CAN TRY TO ANSWER THEM.

UM, I THINK IT'LL BE HELPFUL TO KIND OF GET A FEEL FOR WHERE YOU'RE AT.

UM, BUT OUR PLAN, OUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO KEEP THE CLINIC HERE THEN 40 HOURS A WEEK, UM, AND INCREASE THAT UTILIZATION SUPERVISOR CHADRON.

I GUESS THE FIRST QUESTIONS I HAVE IS IF WE DO PUT THE MONEY IN

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AND KEEP IT HERE, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY IN THE BUILDING COMMITTEE IT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO KNOW.

UM, DOES THAT UTILIZATION THEN, UH, THAT MONEY WE SPEND ON KEEPING IT HERE THAT OFFSETS THE COSTS BY HAVING IT HERE, RIGHT? CORRECT.

AND IF, IF WE DON'T GET FULL UTILIZATION AND OUR COST, BECAUSE WE'RE TAKING ON A HUNDRED PERCENT NOW, ARE WE STILL AT A BREAK EVEN OR STILL AHEAD OF THE GAME IF WE KEEP IT HERE, IF WE KEEP IT HERE AND DON'T INCREASE UTILIZATION, THERE WILL BE A COST TO MAINTAIN THAT CLINIC.

SO WE'LL, WE'LL BE IN ESSENCE LOSING MONEY VERSUS GOING TO A DIFFERENT OPTION, RIGHT? CORRECT.

I MEAN, BASICALLY IF WE GO TO SEE A PROVIDER OUTSIDE OF AN ONSITE CLINIC MM-HMM .

UM, IT'S ABOUT AN AVERAGE OF ABOUT $220 TO SEE A PROVIDER.

UM, WITH THE ONSITE CLINIC, WE PAY FOR THE PROVIDER AND THE MEDICAL ASSISTANT.

SO WE OWN THAT ENTIRE COST.

AND SO THE MORE PEOPLE WE SEE OR THE MORE PEOPLE THAT THEY SEE, YOU JUST DIVIDE THAT NUMBER UP BY THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT SEE THEM.

AND SO, SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, YES.

IF WE INCREASE UTILIZATION THEIR SAVINGS, IF WE DON'T, THERE'S GOING TO BE THAT COST, WHATEVER THAT DIFFERENCE IS.

SO, SO YOUR YOUR RECOMMENDATION OF KEEPING IT HERE, WE DO THE REMODELING, WE TRY IT FOR A COUPLE YEARS, UM, IF IT DOESN'T WORK, YOU, ARE YOU GUYS OPEN THEN TO GO INTO OPTION B OR PLAN B? UM, 'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY THE SPACE HERE COULD BE UTILIZED FOR SOMETHING ELSE MM-HMM .

UM, AGAIN, THERE'S A LOT OF UPFRONT COST BECAUSE OF THE REMODELING SURE.

THAT WE JUST DISCUSSED, UH, THE OTHER DAY.

I, I MEAN I CAN'T SPEAK FOR, FOR EVERYONE INVOLVED IN ALL THE DECISIONS.

I CAN SPEAK TO WHAT I WOULD DO EVERY YEAR, AND THAT'S TO LOOK AT WHERE IS OUR CURRENT HEALTH PLAN, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE OUR, OUR CLINIC SURE.

AND HOW ARE WE OPERATING AND WHERE DO WE NEED TO BE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE BEING, UM, EFFECTIVE AND EFFICIENT IN MANAGING THE COST THAT WE'RE PAYING FOR THAT COVERAGE.

AND SO, YES, AT ONE POINT IF WE EITHER FIND ANOTHER PARTNER, INCREASE UTILIZATION OR BOTH, THAT MAKES THE CLINIC A BREAK EVEN, OR BETTER IF IT DOESN'T, WE MAY HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT, WHAT'S THE NEXT STEPS.

I MEAN, AT THIS TIME, BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY CHANGES THAT CAME IN WITH WEST BEND PULLING OUT AND STUFF, I, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY FOUND A CHEAPER WAY OF DOING IT, BUT, YOU KNOW, I'D BE OKAY SINCE YOU SAY WE HAVE THE FUNDS TO KIND OF HOLD OVER FOR A FEW YEARS TO TRY IT AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS, BUT THEN REVISIT THOSE NUMBERS IN THE FUTURE AND CERTAINLY STILL MAKE SENSE TO KEEP MOVING THAT WAY.

I DO THAT EVERY YEAR.

YEP.

AWESOME.

EXECUTIVE SHOWMAN, YOU WISH TO SPEAK? YEAH.

UM, SO I, I THINK TO YOUR POINT, SUPERVISOR SHARIN THAT, UM, IT IS IMPORTANT FOR US TO KEEP CONTINUALLY REVISIT THE ISSUE.

HOWEVER, IT IS SUCH A SIGNIFICANT CAPITAL INVESTMENT ON THE FRONT END.

I WOULD SAY IF, IF YOU DON'T SEE THIS BEING A SIX OR SEVEN YEAR INVESTMENT, THEN I, I WOULD PUSH STAFF TO GO IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION.

I, I THINK THE NUMBERS AND THE RESPONSE FROM STAFF PROVE, UM, THAT IN THE LONG TERM WE WILL SAVE MONEY, UM, AS LONG AS UTILIZATION STAYS HIGH.

AND STAFF PRETTY MUCH ASSURED US THAT THEY, THEY UNDERSTAND THAT NEED.

UM, YOU KNOW, WITH WEST BEND LEAVING IT, IT OBVIOUSLY ADDS A, A WRINKLE TO ALL OF IT, BUT IT IS, IT IS A DECISION THAT WILL COME BACK TO YOU NO MATTER WHAT IN JULY OF NEXT YEAR.

UM, REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE CITY DOES, OUR CONTRACT WITH FREIGHTER IS UP.

SO WE WILL RE REVIEW CONTRACTS FOR, FOR POTENTIALLY A NEW PROVIDER OR EXTEND THE EXISTING ONE.

UM, THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY COME BACK TO THIS COMMITTEE, UH, OR I SHOULD SAY TO THE COUNTY BOARD.

SO I GUESS THAT COULD BE A MILE MARKER.

MY, MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE, UM, IF WE DO THIS IMPROVEMENT, WE CAN REPORT BACK IN WHAT IS THAT, 14 MONTHS? AND THEN ONCE THAT NEW CONTRACT IS SIGNED WITH ITS WHETHER IT'S, OR WHOMEVER THE NEXT MILE MARKER IS, WHEN THAT CONTRACT ENDS, THEN WE COME IN BACK IN FRONT OF THE COMMITTEE.

UM, SO YOU GET YOUR TOUCH POINTS.

I MEAN, IT IS THE COUNTY BOARD'S DECISION ULTIMATELY.

AND, UM, I, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE THINKING LONG TERM, BUT NOT LIKE, IT'S NOT A 20 YEAR DECISION.

YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT LIKE THE REST OF THE BUILDING REALLY KIND OF IS 20 YEAR DECISION.

THIS PARTICULAR PIECE, SEVEN IS PROBABLY REALISTIC.

SIX AND A HALF, SEVEN.

AND IF, AND IF THE COMMITTEE DOESN'T WANT TO MAKE THAT CALL, THEN WE SHOULD BE STOPPED RIGHT NOW.

REMIND ME HOW LONG THE CLINIC HAS BEEN IN OUR BUILDING HERE.

EIGHT YEARS.

2016.

TRY TO GET 'EM TO UTILIZE IT MORE SO WE GET THE BANG FOR THE BUCK, RIGHT.

IS THERE ANY WAY KEEP GOING? IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE CAN, UH, YOU KNOW, IF WE DECIDE TO KEEP IT HERE, UM, IF THERE'S A WAY WE CAN PROMOTE IT TO OUR EMPLOYEES TO

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SAY, HEY, WE'RE, WE'RE GIVING THIS TO YOU.

THERE IS A COST, WE'D LIKE YOU TO USE IT, AN OVERALL SAVINGS.

HOPEFULLY A BETTER SERVICE FOR THEM.

SO, SO THE EMPLOYEES, JUST FOR REFERENCE, SO THE EMPLOYEE DOES HAVE TO PAY SOMETHING MM-HMM .

IT'S NOT FREE.

IT IS A, A VERY SMALL COST, RELATIVELY SPEAKING.

AND BY FEDERAL LAW THEY HAVE TO CORRECT.

RIGHT, RIGHT.

BECAUSE WE HAVE A HEALTH SAVINGS ACCOUNT.

UM, AND A HIGH DEDUCTIBLE HEALTH PLAN, THEY ARE REQUIRED TO PLAY, PAY WHAT WOULD BE DEEMED A REASONABLE FEE FOR SERVICE.

AND SO THERE IS A FEE THAT THEY PAY.

UM, THAT BEING SAID, YES, WE DO PROMOTE IT.

IN FACT, I JUST CAME OUT OF A MEETING A LITTLE WHILE AGO TALKING ABOUT HOW ARE WE GONNA CONTINUE TO DO THIS AND WHAT ARE SOME OF THE OTHER VEHICLES WE CAN USE? UM, AND ALSO TALKING WITH THE PROVIDER AT FREIGHTER ABOUT WHAT CAN SHE DO DIFFERENTLY TO GET THAT OUT THERE.

SO, ABSOLUTELY.

AND TO YOUR, TO YOUR QUESTION THOUGH, ONE THING TO KEEP IN MIND THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED IS I, 'CAUSE I HAD EXACTLY THE SAME QUESTION.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE EXISTING NUMBERS, UH, FOR EMPLOYEE UTILIZATION, THEY'RE NOT HIGH ENOUGH TO JUSTIFY KEEPING IT THE WAY IT IS.

UM, SO NOT ONLY PROMOTING IT, BUT THEN INCENTIVIZING IT.

'CAUSE IF WE PUT, WE HAVE ENOUGH FUND BALANCE TO DO THAT TYPE OF THING, UM, IF WE INCENTIVIZE IT AND DRIVE THE NUMBERS BEYOND WHERE EVEN WE THINK WE NEED THEM FOR 40 HOURS, THEN WE CAN ACTUALLY DRIVE DOWN HEALTH INSURANCE COSTS POTENTIALLY.

THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENED OVER THE LAST EIGHT YEARS AND WE POTENTIALLY COULD ADD SERVICES.

IT, IT JUST KIND OF BECOMES A SNOWBALL EFFECT IF YOU DO IT RIGHT.

UM, I CAN'T REMEMBER IF YOU MENTIONED THE PERCENTAGE OF EMPLOYEES THAT USE IT NOW.

42%, 42%.

WHAT PERCENTAGE DO YOU THINK WE'D HAVE TO GET TO, TO BREAK EVEN TO KEEP THAT AT A BREAK EVEN AND THEN START BENEFITING FROM THIS 52 50 5%? SO WE'RE NOT REALLY THAT FAR AWAY THEN.

WE'RE NOT.

AND YOU THINK THAT 52% IS ACHIEVABLE? WE'VE DONE IT BEFORE.

THAT'S ALL I CAN TELL YOU.

I MEAN, YEAH.

UM, RIGHT.

IT, IT'S, I MEAN, YOU CAN'T PREDICT THE FUTURE, RIGHT.

BUT AS I TELL EVERYONE, HEALTHCARE IS, IS, I MEAN, YOU EITHER ARE COMFORTABLE WITH YOUR PROVIDER OR YOU'RE NOT SURE.

AND SO IT'S GETTING PEOPLE TO GO THERE, EXPERIENCE THE PROVIDER, AND BE, GET THAT COMFORT LEVEL THAT'LL DETERMINE.

AND SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT IT'S, IT'S GETTING NEW PEOPLE IN THE DOOR TO GET USED TO DOING IT.

AND THAT IS STARTING TO GROW.

IT'S JUST GROWING SLOWLY.

UH, MR. SCHWAB, DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT? I DO.

SO IF WE THOUGHT ABOUT DECREASING HOURS, DO WE HAVE AN IDEA OF WHICH HOURS OF THE DAY ARE MOST, UH, VISITED RIGHT NOW THAT WE WOULD KNOW WHAT TO DECREASE? WE'VE LOOKED AT THAT.

UM, I'D LOVE TO SAY THE MATH WAS EASY TO SAY.

OH, THIS, THESE ARE THE, IT WASN'T QUITE AS SIMPLE AS THAT.

UM, WE WOULD JUST BASICALLY HAVE TO SAY WE'RE GONNA EITHER KNOCK OFF A MORNING A COUPLE MORNINGS AND A COUPLE OF AFTERNOONS AND SPLIT THE WEEK, UM, WOULD BE THE SIMPLEST WAY TO DO IT BECAUSE THERE WASN'T SOMETHING THAT WAS OBVIOUS.

UM, RIGHT NOW IT'S, IT'S VERY CONVENIENT FOR SOMEONE TO PICK UP THE PHONE AND SAY, HEY, CAN I COME INTO THE CLINIC? AND THEY'VE GOT TIME THAT DAY TO GET YOU IN THE DOOR.

AND THEN THE NEXT QUESTION IS, EVEN IF WE DECIDED TO ADJUST HOURS, DOES OUR CONTRACT ALLOW US TO DO THAT? OR DO WE NEED TO WAIT UNTIL THE NEXT CONTRACT? WE, WE, WE CAN, I'VE, WE'VE ALREADY TALKED WITH FREIGHTER ABOUT THAT POTENTIAL BEFORE WE EVEN GOT TO THIS POINT, AND THEY WOULD BE OPEN TO DOING THAT.

THE RISK WE RUN THEN IS THAT WILL OUR PROVIDER BE WILLING TO GO FROM 40 HOURS TO LESS THAN THAT? WILL OUR MEDICAL ASSISTANT DO THAT? AND IF NOT, THEN YOU'RE GOING OUT TO TRY TO FIND ANOTHER PROVIDER.

UM, SO THERE'S CHALLENGES THAT GO WITH THOSE THINGS, BUT ABSOLUTELY.

UM, EXCUSE ME A MINUTE.

UH, I BELIEVE WEST BEND DID NOT END THEIR CONTRACT APPROPRIATELY.

SO CAN WE EXPECT A LITTLE BIT MORE MONEY COMING IN FROM THEM? UM, I, I KNOW THAT WE'VE, WE'VE COMMUNICATED TO THEM THAT, THAT THE CONTRACT DIDN'T END A CERTAIN WAY.

AND I THINK WE'VE LEFT IT WITH THEM TO, TO APPROACH US IF THEY HAVE SUGGESTIONS SOLUTIONS.

BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK IS HAPPENING WITH OUR EXECUTIVE'S OFFICE.

I'M NOT INVOLVED AND I DON'T BELIEVE WE SHOULD MAKE THE DECISION COUNTING ON THAT.

SO, MR. YEAH.

IS THAT RIGHT? BOY, YOU'RE TESTING MY MEMORY ON THIS RIGHT NOW, BUT I THINK THAT THEY WERE HOPING TO BE OUT, I THINK JUNE OF THIS YEAR.

SO WE DID, BRAD ACTUALLY SENT A, A LETTER, AN ATTORNEY WORDED LETTER, UM, WITH THE TECHNICAL, UM, UH, FEATURES REGARDING THE ACTUAL CONTRACT, UH, ISSUES.

IF BASICALLY, AND AARON CAN JUMP IN BECAUSE I KNOW HE AND THE CITY ADMINISTRATOR HAVE BEEN HAVING CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THIS, BUT THE SHORT VERSION IS THE WAY THAT THEY WROTE THEIR LETTER, CORRECT ME IF I GO ASTRAY HERE, BRAD, THE WAY THEY WROTE THEIR LETTER, IT EFFECTIVELY IS NOTICE FOR DECEMBER 31ST OF THIS YEAR, THAT'LL BE THE LAST DAY.

IT'S EFFECTIVE.

UM, ESSENTIALLY JANUARY 1ST, WE'RE ON OUR OWN.

THEY TRIED TO PULL OUT JULY 1ST.

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BUT IN ACTUALITY, I THINK THEY HAVE TO BE UNTIL THE END OF NEXT YEAR, CORRECT.

THE END OF 20, 25, 20 SEVENTH, 26TH, RIGHT.

THE END OF 26.

YEAH, BECAUSE OF THE TIMING OF THE NOTICE THAT THEY, THAT THEY PROVIDED US.

SO IT'S A LONG WAYS OFF.

CORRECT.

LONG STORY SHORT, UM, AND, AND I WOULD LIKE YOU TO CHIME IN ON THIS, AARON.

UM, THEY, THEY OBVIOUSLY WANT TO MOVE ALONG FASTER.

UM, WE CAN NEGOTIATE A SETTLEMENT FOR WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

UM, AND I KNOW THERE WAS SOME BACK AND FORTH ABOUT, YOU KNOW, BEING NEIGHBORLY, BUT I MEAN, THEY BROKE, THEY BREACHED THE CONTRACT, APPARENTLY DIDN'T READ IT, BUT YEAH, I MEAN, UM, THERE, I'M, I'M NOT CERTAIN ON WHEN THEY WERE LOOKING TO MOVE, UM, BUT AS WE KNOW, THEY WERE LOOKING TO MOVE ON.

UM, I, I GUESS I WE'RE STILL KIND OF WAITING ON IF, IF THEY WANT TO APPROACH US ABOUT SOME OTHER CURE.

UM, BUT AT THIS POINT THAT'S, THAT'S SORT OF WHERE WE LEFT IT.

IT'S INCONVENIENT ENOUGH.

SO RO KELLY, THANK YOU, SIR.

UM, I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT IT OVERALL.

UH, SO 274,000 TO MOVE IT.

SO AMORTIZED OVER SIX YEARS COMES TO ABOUT $46,000 A YEAR FOR THE MOVE.

UH, PLUS THE LOSSES FOR THE UNDER UTILIZATION PER YEAR.

UH, AND REALLY KIND OF NO GUARANTEE AT THE END, UM, YOU COULD PROBABLY MITIGATE THAT AT LEAST A LITTLE BIT WITH THE 30% VERSUS, OR THE 30 HOURS VERSUS THE 40 HOURS.

BUT IT WOULD STILL BE, UH, AS EXECUTIVE SHOWMAN POINTED OUT, A VERY LARGE UPFRONT COST, UH, THAT YOU'RE LAYING OUT.

AND SHOULD IT NOT WORK, SAY IN THREE YEARS AND WE WERE DECIDED TO, TO CLOSE IT OR WHATEVER, WELL THEN YOU END UP WITH, YOU KNOW, 60 TO $60,000 A YEAR, SAY ROUGHLY, YOU KNOW, AMORTIZED, UH, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S, IT'S GETTING A LITTLE EXPENSIVE HERE.

AND, AND THE WHOLE IDEA WHEN WE APPROVED THIS CLINIC, WHEN WE DID THIS CLINIC WAS THE IDEA THAT IT WAS SAVING ON HEALTHCARE.

UM, AND LITERALLY NOBODY KNOWS WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN TO HEALTHCARE IN THE FUTURE.

I MEAN, WE KIND OF ASSUME THAT IT'S GONNA CONTINUE TO RISE, BUT AT WHAT PACE, I GUESS IS THE BIG QUESTION.

YOU KNOW, IF IT'S GONNA BE JUST LIKE IT'S BEEN FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS, IT'S BEEN RELATIVELY NOMINAL.

SO IT'S, IT'S BEEN OKAY.

IT RISES A LOT.

IT ACTUALLY KIND OF MAKES SENSE TO HAVE THE CLINIC, BUT I'M, I'M VERY CONCERNED WITH PUTTING OUT THE LAYOUT FOR THIS KIND OF MONEY TO MOVE IT AND THEN SEE IF IT ALL WORKS OUT AS OPPOSED TO PERHAPS LEAVING IT , YOU KNOW, NOT PUTTING OUT THE MONEY AND GO RIGHT TO WORKING ON RAISING IT AND MAKING IT A LITTLE BIT MORE VIABLE AND JUSTIFIABLE.

SO WE DO NEED TO MOVE THE CLINIC.

SO WITH THE MASTER PLAN, THE TREASURER'S OFFICE REGISTER OF DEEDS OFFICE AND CLERK'S OFFICE WILL MOVE TO THAT END OF THE ABILITY WHERE, WHERE THAT FACILITY IS.

SO THAT FACILITY HAS TO MOVE NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS, WHETHER WE CLOSE IT DOWN AND SAY WE DON'T DO ANYTHING WITH IT, MOVE IT IN OUR BUILDING, GO TO A NEAR SITE, THAT THAT SPACE IS NO LONGER GONNA BE VIABLE.

UM, AT LEAST THAT'S HOW I UNDERSTAND THINGS, UNLESS SOMETHING'S CHANGED.

SO, SO THAT'S WHY WE KIND OF ARE IN THE SPOT WE'RE IN.

WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO SOMETHING WITH IT NO MATTER WHAT.

HERE, HERE'S, I, ALL OF YOUR CONCERNS ARE 100% VALID AND, AND PREDICTING THE FUTURE IS NEXT TO IMPOSSIBLE.

BUT THE BEST PREDICTOR OF THE FUTURE IS THE PAST.

AND IF YOU REMEMBER WHEN WE DID THE, UM, BUDGET REPAIR RESOLUTION, A BIG CHUNK OF THAT BUDGET REPAIR RESOLUTION WAS WE WERE REDUCING HEALTH INSURANCE PREMIUMS BOTH FOR EMPLOYER AND EMPLOYEE.

UM, AND WHETHER THAT IS A DIRECT LINE TO THE ONSITE CLINIC OR AN ADJACENT TO THE ONSITE CLINIC, IT ABSOLUTELY IS HAVING AN IMPACT.

SO WHAT WE'RE REALLY DISCUSSING IS DO WE TAKE A GAMBLE AND SAY, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE IT LOCALLY.

WE'RE WE'RE GONNA DO IT ADJACENT, WHICH WHEN YOU LOOK MACRO BEYOND WASHINGTON COUNTY, WHAT IS EVERYBODY ELSE DOING? AND WHAT WORKS WHEN YOU GO OFF SITE, YOU LOSE PARTICIPATION, EVEN IF IT'S A BLOCK OR TWO.

WELL, MAYBE I SHOULD SAY IT IN THE INVERSE.

IT'S SO CONVENIENT BEING THIS CLOSE THAT PEOPLE JUST USE IT.

YOU TAKE THAT CONVENIENCE AWAY

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AND IT'S A FACTOR OF, UH, IT'S A FACTOR OF DOLLARS, BUT WE, YOU CAN'T QUANTIFY IT.

IT'S DIFFICULT TO QUANTIFY.

SO WE HAVE A PASS THAT SHOWS US IT IS WORKING, SOMETHING IS WORKING.

THE REASON THAT WE'RE BRINGING IT TO YOU AS RECOMMENDED IS BECAUSE WE DON'T THINK IT'S WORTH A CHANGE.

WE THINK IT'S ACTUALLY WORTH INVESTING.

IF WE DON'T, YOU POSSIBLY COULD SAVE SOME MONEY BY GOING OFFSITE, BUT WE KNOW THE DATA SHOWS US IT ALSO DOESN'T SAVE YOU AS MUCH MONEY.

SO THAT'S WHY WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GET AT WHEN I SAID, DO YOU WANNA PLAY A LONG GAME OR DO YOU WANT TO LOOK AT IT MORE SHORT TERM? AND THE LONG GAME IS ALSO PARTIALLY A GAMBLE.

'CAUSE HEALTH INSURANCE COULD CHANGE, HEALTHCARE COULD CHANGE IN A DECADE.

I, TO ME, I THINK IT'S TIDE GOES TO THE WHAT HAS WORKED IN THE PAST.

UM, BUT IT IS ABSOLUTELY A WORTHWHILE, I MEAN, A QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS IS A LOT OF MONEY NO MATTER WHERE, WHAT FUNDING SOURCE.

AND SO WITH THE, UM, WITH THAT ALL BEING SAID, CLOSED OR WHATEVER, UM, GOING WITH THE 30 HOUR MODEL, UH, WOULD THAT TIE US TO A LENGTH OF TIME IN THE CONTRACT WITH THE PROVIDER? OR WOULD THAT BE ABLE TO BE UPDATED RELATIVELY QUICKLY, LIKE ON THE FLY? WOULD WE BE ABLE TO SAY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CONTRACT, UH, HEY, WE, WE'VE GOT ENOUGH PEOPLE NOW WE THINK IT'S VIABLE, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO GO FOR THE, SO, SO THE CONTRACT IS, AND I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME SO I CAN'T QUOTE IT SPECIFIC.

WE HAVE SOME OPTIONS AND FREIGHTER HAS BEEN WILLING TO WORK WITH US ON IF WE NEED TO REDUCE IT OR, OR SO ON, THAT THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO WORK WITH US NOW TO DO THAT.

UM, I WOULD, I CAN ONLY ASSUME THAT THE CONVERSE WOULD BE TRUE, THAT IF LATER ON WE WANTED TO EXPAND IT, THEY MIGHT BE WILLING TO DO THAT.

UM, AGAIN, I THINK JOSH'S COMMENTS ABOUT IF WE WOULD MOVE THE CLINIC OFFSITE, THERE IS SOME VARIABLE OF PARTICIPATION WE'RE GOING TO LOSE.

HOW MUCH WE DON'T KNOW WHEN YOU REDUCE HOURS, THAT SAME THING IS MOST LIKELY GOING TO HAPPEN.

MAYBE NOT AS TO THE SAME DEGREE, BUT POTENTIALLY SOME, BECAUSE WE'VE GOT SOME OFFICES THAT ARE, ARE WORKING THREE DIFFERENT SHIFTS.

SO THOSE HOURS CAN WORK WITH ALL THREE.

HOW'S IT WORTH WHEN YOU SHORTEN THOSE HOURS? DON'T KNOW.

SO AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S SPECULATING.

I CAN'T GIVE YOU A GOOD ANSWER TO THIS WOULD WORK OR NOT WORK.

IT'S AN OPTION THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT, WE'VE CONSIDERED, THAT'S KINDA WHY WE RECOMMENDED SAYING, LET'S MAINTAIN WHAT WE'VE GOT.

LET'S BUILD THAT PARTICIPATION AND SEE WHERE WE GO.

AND THEN WE, I LOOK AT IT EVERY YEAR AND SAY, IS THIS WORKING? ARE WE GROWING? ARE WE NOT GROWING? AND THEN DO WE TAKE ANOTHER PATH AND WE WORK WITH FREIGHTER TO MODIFY THEM? I JUST, UM, I FEEL LIKE IT'S, IT'S KIND OF ALMOST AN ALL OR NOTHING AT THIS POINT.

AND, UH, I'M NOT ONE TO TYPICALLY GAMBLE WITH THE TAXPAYER'S MONEY.

UM, WELL THE TROUBLE IS THEY'RE BOTH, BOTH DECISIONS ARE A GAMBLE.

MEETING OF THIS GROUP BEFORE THAT.

THAT'S THE PROBLEM.

IF YOU DON'T DO IT, YOU KNOW, YOU GO BACK TO PRE 2016 PRIOR TO ONSITE CLINIC, UM, YOU'RE, YOU'RE LOSING MONEY BECAUSE WE ARE SELF-INSURED.

EVERY DOLLAR THAT'S SPENT AT THE WALK-IN CLINIC AT AURORA IS 10 CENTS OR LESS HERE.

SO, SO THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE MORE DIFFICULT, AND WE DON'T KNOW 10 YEARS FROM NOW WHAT IT'S GONNA BE LIKE.

SO THAT'S WHY WE LANDED ON, WELL, THE FUND IS THE MONEY IN THE, REMEMBER THE MONEY IN THE HEALTH INSURANCE FUND IS MONEY THAT COUNTY AND EMPLOYEE HAVE CONTRIBUTED THROUGH PREMIUM.

SO IT'S NOT THAT IT'S NOT TAXPAYER DOLLARS, THAT EVERY DOLLAR IS TAXPAYER DOLLAR, BUT IT DID COME FROM ALREADY ESSENTIALLY ALREADY EXPENDED FUNDS FOR THE PURPOSE OF HEALTH INSURANCE.

SO NOW IT'S HOW DO WE, I LOOK AT IT AS HOW DO WE INVEST, USE THOSE DOLLARS AS A RETURN ON INVESTMENT.

THAT, AND IT'S THAT, I DON'T THINK THERE'S A WRONG, I THINK, LET ME SAY THIS TOO, AND WE PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE STARTED THIS WAY, THIS DISCUSSION IS HAPPENING NOW BECAUSE THE MASTER PLAN TEAM IS LIKE IN GOAL MODE.

SO IF, IF YOU FEEL LIKE YOU NEED MORE DATA, LIKE DOLLARS AND CENTS, BUDGET NUMBERS IN ORDER TO REALLY MAKE A DECISION, AND I'M TALKING LIKE A PROFORMA FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS, I MEAN, HONESTLY, IT'LL ALL BE COMPLETE CONJECTURE.

WE'LL MAKE OUR BEST GUESSES.

BUT IF THAT WOULD HELP YOU MAKE THE DECISION, WE SHOULD DO THAT AT THE NEXT COUNTY BOARD MEETING.

LIKE HAVE A

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BUT, BUT IT'S GOTTA MOVE.

UM, I JUST, I ACTUALLY PERSONALLY BELIEVE DENNIS, I'M SORRY, SUPERVISOR KELLY, I BELIEVE THE BIGGER RISK IS THE OFF THE OFFSITE CLINIC BECAUSE LET'S JUST YEAH, I WOULDN'T BE OVERLY, AND THE ONE BIGGER THAN THAT IS WE'LL JUST GO BACK TO IF YOU HAVE A HEAD COLD GO TO THE WALK-IN CLINIC AT AURORA OR AT MEYER, THAT'S MORE EXPENSIVE YET.

SO IT'S A LOT OF MONEY, BUT IT'S LIKE IT, WHICH CATCH 22, HONESTLY, A LITTLE BIT OF A CATCH 22.

HONESTLY, AND I WILL SAY THIS, UM, I DO MY DUE DILIGENCE IN TRYING TO BEAT YOU UP OVER THIS.

YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I'M EXPECTED TO DO.

UM, REALLY, I WOULDN'T NEED A WHOLE LOT MORE DATA TO UNDERSTAND THAT.

IT DOESN'T REALLY, IT'S NOT GONNA CHANGE EITHER WAY.

IT'S GONNA BE A DAMNED IF YOU DO, DAMNED IF YOU DON'T FLIP A COIN KIND OF THING.

SO IF I'M GONNA FLIP THAT COIN, I HAVE TO LOOK AT PERCENTAGE OF WHAT MIGHT WORK.

I DO KNOW THIS.

OUR STAFF IS USUALLY REALLY DAMN GOOD AT DOING WHAT THEY SAY THEY'RE GONNA DO.

THAT'S WHAT THEY SAY THAT THEY'RE GOING TO GET US THE PARTICIPATION RATE.

RIGHT? YEP.

I BELIEVE THAT COULD BE TRUE, ESPECIALLY IF WE INCENTIVIZE IT.

LIKE WE'VE DONE A LOT OF INCENTIVIZING.

I MEAN, I THINK THOSE THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN INVESTING IN, YOU REMEMBER IT WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A CONTROVERSY DOING THE, THE WORKOUT STUFF AND BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.

LIKE IT'S WORKING MM-HMM .

AND IT'S, THEY'RE INTANGIBLES THAT YOU, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU MEASURE THAT STUFF, BUT IT'S DEF EVERY OTHER COUNTY THAT I KNOW OF IS TALKING ABOUT 10 AND 20% HEALTH INSURANCE INCREASES.

AND WE JUST HAD WHAT, 10 PER 14%.

WE JUST DECREASED OUR BY, WELL, WE DECREASED IT BY 10% FOR THIS YEAR, RIGHT? YEAH.

FOR 25.

SO I MEAN, THAT'S A POTENTIALLY 30% SWING.

SOMETHING'S HAPPENING.

PRETTY GOOD TRACK RECORD.

I, AND I DON'T THINK ANYBODY ON THIS COMMITTEE WAS HERE WHEN I GOT HERE.

WHEN HE GOT HERE.

IT WAS, THERE WAS ALMOST ZERO IN THE FUND.

LIKE THEY HAD RUN IT.

NO, NO JOKE.

LIKE THEY RAN IT DOWN TO NOTHING.

SO WE'RE, WE'VE BEEN ON THE OTHER SIDE, , IT'S, IT AIN'T FUN.

AND IT WAS A, THE DAY BEFORE, THE FRIDAY BEFORE I STARTED, IT WAS A CONVERSATION WITH JOSH SAYING, HEY, BAD NEWS, ARE YOU SURE YOU WANNA COME MONDAY, YOU HAVE TO INCREASE PREMIUMS BY 40% .

SO MIDDLE OF THE YEAR WELCOME.

BUT THIS IS A, THIS IS A GOOD DISCUSSION.

AND YOUR DECISION SUPERVISOR SHAMAN.

I'M, I'M HOPING THIS WILL HELP YOU MAKE A CHOICE IF I CAN HAVE A QUICK CONVERSATION WITH, WITH, UH, SCHMIDT, MR. SCHMIDT.

UM, OKAY, SO WE TALKED ABOUT 250,000 TO REMODEL THAT AREA TO OFFICES, RIGHT? TO MAKE THE CLINIC WORK, UH, SAY A YEAR FROM NOW OR TWO YEARS FROM NOW, WE SAY, OKAY, THE CLINIC'S NOT WORKING ANYMORE, IT'S JUST COSTING US TOO MUCH.

WE CAN'T GET PARTICIPATION AND WE REU UTILIZE THAT SPACE FOR OFFICE.

WOULD WE AT THAT TIME REALLY HAVE TO STICK MUCH MONEY IN THAT AREA IF WE JUST UTILIZE IT AS OFFICE SPACE FOR SOME OTHER DEPARTMENT AT THAT TIME, SINCE IT'S ALREADY BEEN REMODELED IN SORT OF OFFICE SPACES OR, I KNOW WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION ON MONDAY.

I GUESS IF YOU CAN HELP, UH, SUPERVISOR KELLY, UNDERSTAND, WOULD THERE BE A TON OF MONEY TO HAVE TO STICK INTO IT AGAIN TO UTILIZE THAT SPACE FOR SOMETHING ELSE? UH, MOST LIKELY NOT.

UH, THE DIFFERENCE IN THE COST FOR PUTTING IN THE EXAM, PUTTING IN THIS CLINIC IS EXAM ROOMS TYPICALLY HAVE A, A WASHING STATION, HAND STATION.

WE CAN UTILIZE THAT SPACE FOR SOMETHING ELSE IF, IF THIS DOESN'T WORK WITHOUT ADDING A WHOLE LOT OF EXTRA COST TO CONVERT IT YET AGAIN.

AND SO IT'S A PLUMBING, SO MOST LIKELY YOU DON'T NEED THOSE IN AN OFFICE, SO YOU'D HAVE TO REMOVE THAT.

BUT IT'S, IT'S EASIER TO CAP OFF PLUMBING CORRECT.

UH, THAN IT'S TO ADD IT IN AND OBVIOUSLY SOME ELECTRICAL NEEDS AS WELL.

AGAIN, IT'S EASIER TO SAY WE'VE GOT TOO MANY OUTLETS IN A ROOM AND TOO MUCH POWER VERSUS NOT ENOUGH.

UH, SO TO, TO CONVERT IT BACK TO OFFICE SPACE IS RELATIVELY SIMPLE.

THE, THE EXAM ROOMS ARE ALL AROUND 110 SQUARE FEET, WHICH IS SIMILAR TO WHAT OUR OFFICE SPACE WOULD BE.

UH, SO I DON'T THINK IT'D TAKE A WHOLE LOT TO CONVERT IT BACK TO THAT BESIDES THE, THE FRONT COUNTER, WHICH WE'RE ACTUALLY TAKING THE FRONT COUNTER FROM DOWN HERE AND REPURPOSING IT UP THERE.

SO WE HAD A LOT OF LIFE OUT OF THE MATERIAL THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY UTILIZING WHERE THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE'RE DOING IS TO TRY TO SAVE MONEY, IS TO MOVE SOME STUFF FROM DOWNSTAIRS UPSTAIRS TO, TO, TO MAKE IT AS EFFICIENT AS POSSIBLE.

SO IT WOULDN'T TAKE A WHOLE LOT TO CONVERT IT BACK TO OFFICE.

IT'S A LOT MORE TO CONVERT IT TO TO A CLINIC.

TO A CLINIC.

CORRECT.

SO, SO IN ESSENCE, YES, WE'RE STICKING THE MONEY UP FRONT, BUT IF IT DOES NOT WORK, IT'S NOT LIKE WE HAVE TO STICK ANOTHER TON OF MONEY IN TO REUTILIZE THAT SPACE FOR SOMETHING ELSE.

SO THAT MONEY'S GONNA BE SPENT ANYWAY TO MAKE IT OFFICE.

DOES THAT HELP? WELL, IT'S KINDA LIKE A PRENUP, YOU KNOW, SAY MAYBE, BUT I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S STILL A GOOD, IT'S A COST, BUT

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SUPERVISOR SCHWAB.

UM, NONE OF US CAN TELL THE FUTURE.

AND SO BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE, IT'S MY OPINION THAT WE REALLY OUGHT TO STAY THE COURSE AND, AND MOVE THE CLINIC AND PROCEED IN THAT MANNER.

UM, BUT I DO THINK THAT THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM FOR ME IS WHAT STEPS ARE WE TAKING WITH THE CITY? UM, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE, WE'RE WAITING TO SEE WHAT THEIR RESPONSE IS.

I CAN BE PATIENT, BUT, BUT AT SOME POINT WE DO NEED CLOSURE ON THAT.

RIGHT? SO, UM, IF WE WAIT, LIKE WE WAITED ON THE CAMPUS, THEY'RE NOT GONNA PAY.

THAT'S SIMPLE AS THAT.

THAT'S MY CONCERN.

MY, MY THOUGHT PROCESS, UM, MR. VICE CHAIR IS TO WAIT UNTIL APRIL 7TH.

I THINK WE'LL HAVE A LOT MORE COOPERATION.

AND SO I, I'M OPTIMISTIC FOR A BRAND NEW DAY AND, AND AGAIN, YEAH, WE, WE CAN BE PATIENT, BUT, BUT I WOULDN'T WANT TO WAIT UNTIL THE END OF 26 TO HAVE IT FIGURED OUT.

AGREED.

SUPERVISOR KEL.

THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN.

ONE MORE, JUST ONE MORE .

ARE WE STILL HOLDING THAT TWO 50 IN THE CITY FOR THE LEAD LATERALS? YOU MEAN, HAVE THEY NOT ASKED US FOR THEIR MONEY SITTING ON THE GROUND? CORRECT.

NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF.

CORRECT.

MAYBE THAT MIGHT NOT GO ANYWHERE UNTIL APRIL 7TH.

MAYBE THAT'S LESS, WHO KNOWS? IT'S LESS THAN A MONTH AWAY.

NOW THAT WOULDN'T BE VERY NEIGHBORLY .

THAT WOULD BE TOUGH.

SO HAVING, SOUNDS LIKE A JOURNAL HAVING DISCUSSED THIS, UH, AT LENGTH, UH, IS THE COMMITTEE WILLING TO MAKE A MOTION ON THIS? I'LL MAKE A MOTION.

YOUR MOTION IS TO GO AHEAD AND DO IT.

MAINTAIN THE CLINIC ON SITE.

MAINTAIN THE CLINIC FOR THAT 40.

IF I CONVINCE DENNIS, I'D BE OKAY WITH THAT TOO.

WE HAVE A MOTION BY KEL AND A SECOND BY SUPERVISOR SCHWAB, SUPERVISOR KEL, SUPERVISOR SCHWAB.

UM, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? THERE BEING NONE.

ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.

YES, SIR.

GENERALLY, UH, IN THE 12 YEARS I'VE BEEN HERE, WE HAVE NOT DONE THAT.

WE HAVE A, WHOEVER REQUESTS TO GO A LITTLE BIT OFF SCHEDULE AND DO THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN NEXT.

UM, SO THAT IS E THREE I, NO, YES.

MOTION FOR THAT AGAIN? YES, WE DO.

MOTION BY SUPERVISOR CHADRON, SECOND BY SUPERVISOR SCHWAB.

AND MR. DOL, YOU HAVE, OH, UH, WE'LL LET JOSH GET IT STARTED.

OKAY, GO AHEAD.

SO, UM, I, I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE IT ONLY BECAUSE, UM, I KNOW EACH COMMITTEE LOOKED AT THIS IN THE CONTEXT OF THE DEPARTMENTS THAT YOU OVERSEE, BUT I'D LIKE YOU TO JUST TAKE A MOMENT AS THE, THE APPOINTED MEMBERS FROM THE COUNTY BOARD AND LOOK AT THIS FROM 30,000 SQUARE FEET WHEN WE DO, WHEN WE BEGIN THIS PROCESS FOR ME, UH, AND, AND THE TEAM, UM, THE BUDGET TEAM IN PARTICULAR, THIS IS THE FIRST STEP IN THE BIENNIAL BUDGET PROCESS.

UM, THE, THE MOST IMPORTANT OR MAYBE MOST IMPACTFUL IS PROBABLY BE THE BETTER TERM.

UM, COMPONENT OF THAT CAN BE FOUND ON THIS SPREADSHEET THAT SUMMARIZES ALL OF THE PROJECTS.

AND AT THE BOTTOM, UM, GIVES YOU THE ESTIMATES AND ALLOCATIONS FOR THE SALES TAX.

THERE ARE SOME PRETTY DEMONSTRABLE CHANGES EVEN FROM WHAT YOU ORIGINALLY SAW, UH, AT YOUR COMMITTEE LEVELS.

UM, AND THE, AND THE BIGGEST OF THOSE DEMONSTRABLE CHANGES IS THE SHIFT IN ADDITIONAL DOLLARS TO PROPERTY TAX RELIEF.

SO WE'RE UP THIS PROPOSAL THAT YOU'RE REVIEWING TODAY THAT WILL GO TO THE COUNTY BOARD, UM, INCREASES THE, THE AMOUNT GOING TO THE PROPERTY TAX RELIEF UNDER THE TUNE OF 55.5%, $9.966 MILLION.

UM, THAT'S A INCREASE OF APPROXIMATELY 664,000 OVER THE OPERATING BUDGET.

PREVIOUS OPERATING BUDGET DID, I'M SAYING THAT RIGHT.

UM, IN OTHER WORDS, WE'RE SHIFTING MORE SALES TAX TO THE OPERATING BUDGET

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WE'VE, WE'VE TRIED TO STAY THE COURSE AS BEST AS POSSIBLE.

THIS STILL FITS WITHIN THE PARAMETERS OF, UH, WHAT THE ORDINANCE, UH, DECLARES THAT WE NEED TO DO.

THE REASON WE'RE THAT I AM PROPOSING IT THIS WAY, ALBEIT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU SAW AT COMMITTEE LEVEL, IS I AM VERY CONCERNED THAT THERE IS NOT GOING TO BE A STATE BUDGET.

AND IF THERE IS NOT A STATE BUDGET IN PARTICULAR, IF THERE'S NOT A COURT FUNDING FIX FOR COUNTIES, WE ARE GOING TO REALLY BE IN A BAD WAY, AS ARE ALL COUNTIES IN THE STATE OF WISCONSIN AND ALL MUNICIPALITIES.

THIS GIVES US, WE HAVE ABOUT A, IF YOU REMEMBER THE GAP EXERCISE THAT WE NEED USED TO DO YEAR OVER YEAR.

WE HAVE A, ABOUT A $1.5 MILLION GAP NEXT YEAR.

SO THE COST TO CONTINUE IS 1.5 MILLION.

THIS, THIS GETS YOU JUST UNDER HALFWAY TO THAT, WHICH IS A BIG DEAL.

UM, THAT NEW CONSTRUCTION PROBABLY WOULD GET YOU IN MAYBE CLOSE TO ANOTHER HALF OF THE WAY, LEAVING SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 10 AND 20% BALANCE JUST TO CLOSE THAT GAP.

NOW THAT DOESN'T ACCOUNT FOR ANY POSITIONS THAT WERE FUNDED ONE TIME, ANY MAJOR CHANGES DOESN'T ACCOUNT FOR INFLATION.

UH, ANY OF COURSE NEW POSITIONS THAT ARE WANTED TO BE REQUESTED, NOR DOES IT COUNT, UH, FIRING EMS BECOMING A PERMANENT THING.

SO I MADE THE ADJUSTMENT AND A NUMBER OF SUBSEQUENT ADJUSTMENTS TO PROJECTS BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO LOOK OUT AS FAR AS I CAN AND BE AS CONSERVATIVE AS I POSSIBLY CAN KNOWING OUR, THE PEOPLE IN THE CAPITOL BUILDING JUST DON'T GET ALONG .

AND SO MY HOPE IS WE PUT ALL OF THESE PRACTICES IN PLACE AND THE STATE BUDGET GETS APPROVED AND COURT FUNDING GETS RESOLVED AND WE END UP IN A REALLY GOOD FINANCIAL POSITION, WHICH HAS HAPPENED TO US SEVERAL TIMES IN THE LAST 12 YEARS.

AND IF NOT, WE HAVE HEDGED AND WE'RE ABLE TO MAKE SOME CHANGES.

NOW, IT LIKELY IS STILL GONNA COST DEPARTMENTS TO DO SOME CRISIS PLANNING.

I JUST ASKED AARON THIS WEEK TO TALK TO DEPARTMENT HEADS ABOUT DOING A 5%, 10%, 15% CUT, UM, PROPOSAL SO THAT WE HAVE OPTIONS ON THE TABLE.

BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT WAS CLEAR WITH YOU, UM, THAT THAT WAS WHY WE MADE SUCH SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO THE DOCUMENT AND A PRECURSOR TO A, I THINK A MUCH LONGER DISCUSSION THAT THE CHAIRMAN AND I TALKED ABOUT TODAY, THAT WE SHOULD HAVE AT THIS COMMITTEE LEVEL AND ULTIMATELY WITH THE COUNTY BOARD ABOUT WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO? WHAT IS THE POLICY DIRECTION WE COLLECTIVELY WANT TO SET, IF IN FACT WE DON'T GET A STATE BUDGET, AND THEN MAYBE SUBSEQUENTLY IF FACT 10 IS OVERTURNED, UH, WHICH IS LIKE CATACLYSMIC FOR OUR BUDGET, UH, AND TAXPAYERS.

UM, SO I, I WANTED TO PREFACE THIS DISCUSSION.

I WANTED TO HANG AROUND LONG ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO PREFACE THIS DISCUSSION BECAUSE MOST EVERY PROJECT THAT WAS IN FRONT OF YOU IS STILL FUNDED ONE WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM.

IT'S CHANGED A FAIR AMOUNT, BUT THAT POLICY DECISION OF SALES TAX ALLOCATION IS, THAT'S A BIG MOVE THAT WE DON'T ALWAYS, WE DON'T NORMALLY TAKE.

UM, AND IT'S ONE OF THOSE THAT'S KIND OF LIKE, YOU CAN ONLY DO THAT SO MANY TIMES, RIGHT? YOU, YOU CAN ONLY SHIFT THOSE DOLLARS ONCE ESSENTIALLY AND ONCE THEY'RE OPERATING, YOU'RE, YOU'RE KIND OF STUCK.

SO I WANTED TO BE FULL TRANSPARENCY WITH YOU ALL BEFORE YOU, YOU MAKE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE COUNTY BOARD AND CERTAINLY DIDN'T WANT IT TO BE A WAIT A MINUTE, WHAT'D YOU DO? SO I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT.

I, I'VE ASKED THE CHAIRMAN IF WE COULD HAVE A AGENDA ITEM TO GO IN DEEPER DETAIL ON STATE BUDGET AND ACT 10 AT A LATER DATE.

BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT WHY WE DID THINGS THAT WAY OR IS THERE A DIFFERENT WAY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.

OTHERWISE, ALL PROJECT QUESTIONS.

AARON.

AARON IS CERTAINLY CAPABLE OF HANDLING.

ONCE AGAIN, I BELIEVE SUPERVISOR KEL WISHES TO CALL YOU TO TASK.

THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN.

? UH, NO, ACTUALLY NOT TOO BAD.

UM, SO WE'RE SHIFTING TO OPERATING AND I UNDERSTAND THAT'S REALLY TRICKY.

UM, BUT YOU DID MENTION IF THE STATE WERE TO, UM, ACTUALLY COME UP WITH A PROPER BUDGET AND WE WERE RECEIVING THE FUNDING THAT WE NEED TO RECEIVE, IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY TO CLAW BACK THAT MONEY, UH, OUT OF THE OPERATING BUDGET? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

SO FROM ASSUMING NEXT MONTH, THE COUNTY BOARD APPROVES THIS AS IS THE NEXT PRACTICAL OPPORTUNITY YOU'LL GET TO MAKE A CHANGE LIKE THAT IS PROBABLY EITHER SEPTEMBER OR OCTOBER AT THIS COMMITTEE LEVEL, RIGHT?

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SO EITHER AT YOUR REGULAR SEPTEMBER MEETING OR AT THE PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH QUITE FRANKLY, IF WE'RE GOING TO GET A BUDGET, IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE BETWEEN JULY 1ST AND THAT OCTOBER MEETING.

SO YOU'LL HAVE ONE LAST CRACK.

NOW ONCE WE GO, ONCE WE GET TO THAT POINT, IT'S GONNA GET REALLY DIFFICULT TO MAKE GIANT BUDGET CHANGES.

UM, 'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE SOME PRETTY TOUGH DECISIONS ABOUT POSITIONS IN PARTICULAR.

UM, BUT CHANGING FUNDING SOURCES.

SO SHIFTING SALES TAX BACK AND, YOU KNOW, OR MAYBE CUTTING PROPERTY TAXES A LITTLE BIT MORE DOING, MAKING THOSE KINDS OF ADJUSTMENTS.

THAT'S NOT HARD.

IF IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT PROCESS YOU SAY, WELL, LET'S GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE 10 POSITIONS THAT WERE ELIMINATED AND THE TWO THAT WERE REQUESTED AND THIS AND THAT.

I MEAN, IT COULD BE A COMPLETE DISASTER.

ALL OF THAT IS TO SAY, YOU, YOU'LL HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS IN SEPTEMBER AND OCTOBER, PRESUMING WE HAVE A STATE BUDGET.

YEAH, I, I MEAN I WOULD JUST BE INTERESTED IN STAYING THE COURSE ON OUR POSITION NOW, ALTHOUGH I UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS YOU'RE TRYING TO DO, YOU'RE BASICALLY HEDGING YOUR BETS.

100%.

WHICH TOTALLY MAKES SENSE.

UM, BUT I DO PREFER, UH, I HATE TO SOUND LIKE THIS, BUT AND LORD AND THE LORD OF THE RINGS, THE HELMS DEEP, THE, THE FALLBACK POSITION.

THAT, YOU KNOW, I FEEL MORE SECURE, UH, UTILIZING IT MORE FOR PROPERTY TAX RELIEF THAN OPERATING BUDGET.

UM, OPERATING BUDGET TO ME SHOULD BE KIND OF LEFT OUR CURRENT SOURCES, YOU KNOW? YEAH.

THE TRICKY THING, THE TRICKY THING ABOUT THIS, ABOUT SALES TAX IN GENERAL IS WHEN YOU SHIFT IT TO OPERATING, YOU ARE FUNCTIONALLY PROVIDING PROPERTY TAX RELIEF.

'CAUSE IF YOU DON'T SHIFT IT, THERE'S ONLY ONE OTHER SOLUTION SORT OF CUTTING SORT OF DEEPER CUTS.

SO IT, THIS IS WHAT MAKES SALES TAX SO WEIRD, FRUSTRATING , UM, IS WHAT WILL HAPPEN PRACTICALLY.

I MEAN, POLITICALLY, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IN THIS ROOM IF THE STATE BUDGET COMES THROUGH IN AUGUST AND THEN WE'VE ALREADY RUN ALL OF THIS THROUGH, IS YOU'RE ALL GONNA SIT HERE AND HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT, OH GOOD, THE BA THE BUDGET BALANCES.

NOW LET'S CUT PROPERTY TAXES.

THAT'S WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.

I'VE BEEN AROUND , I'VE BEEN AROUND THIS ROOM LONG ENOUGH TO KNOW, UM, THE BIGGER, THE MORE DIFFICULT CONVERSATION WILL BE.

NOPE, LET'S SHIFT THE MONEY BACK AND THEN, AND THEN ALLOCATE LIKE WE WOULD'VE OTHERWISE.

UM, NO, I GUESS YOU COULD LOOK AT THAT ONE OF TWO WAYS.

IF I'M A TAXPAYER, I'M WANTING YOU TO CUT PROPERTY TAXES, BUT THAT'S A DISCUSSION YOU'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO HAVE NO MATTER WHAT.

I JUST KNOW HOW COUNTY BOARDS WORK AND I KNOW HOW I WORK AS A TAXPAYER AND I'M GONNA THINK, WELL THEN NOW I'VE GOT THE CHANCE TO CUT PROPERTY TAXES.

LET'S DO IT AGAIN.

GREAT POINT.

STILL GOTTA FUNCTION AS A GOVERNMENT, WHICH IS, WHICH IS WHY IF WE DO THIS NOW YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT SERVICE DELIVERY CUTS.

'CAUSE YOU KNOW, WE'VE DONE PRIORITY BASED BUDGET HAD STARTED IN, IT WAS A 2016 BUDGET, AARON, IS THAT RIGHT? I THINK SO.

SO WE'VE BEEN DOING IT COMING UP ON 10 YEARS AND WE'VE HAD, WE'VE HAD 20 YEARS NOW, SOON TO BE 21 OF PROPERTY TAX LEVY FREEZES, PROPERTY TAX LEVY CAPS, LIKE WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING A BONE.

NOW THERE'S, IT'S, IT'S, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SERVICE DELIVERY CHANGES.

IT'S NOT THAT THERE'S NO ROOM, THERE'S, I MEAN IT'S 140 SOME MILLION DOLLARS BUDGET.

THERE'S ALWAYS ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT AND CUTS, BUT YOU'RE GONNA START FEELING 'EM NOW.

I'M ALREADY HEARING ABOUT SOME OF THE ONES WE'VE RECENTLY MADE AND SECOND GUESSING SOME OF THE ONES, HONESTLY.

DOCUMENT THAT SORT OF OUTLINES SOME OF THOSE CHANGES.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, GOOD EVENING EVERYONE.

THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN.

UM, SO THE PACKET HAS, UH, COMMITTEE REPORT HAS THE RESOLUTION WITH AN APPENDIX AND THEN 122 PAGES OF, UH, A CIP DOCUMENT.

UM, I WON'T BE GOING THROUGH EVERY PAGE, OF COURSE.

UM, I WILL HIT SOME OF THE HIGH POINTS AND, AND REALLY KIND OF TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE CHANGES SINCE, UH, YOU SAW THOSE PROJECTS AT STANDING COMMITTEE.

UM, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY, UM, I THINK I'LL START WITH, UM, THERE'S A PAGE IN THE CIP

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UM, I BELIEVE THAT'S PAGE 32 IN THE ELECTRONIC VERSION OF THAT FULL PACKET.

UM, IN A LOT OF CASES WE UPDATED THESE PROJECTS 'CAUSE WE GOT NEW DATA, NEW INFORMATION.

UM, I THINK JUST TO, TO HIT A COUPLE OF THEM, UM, THE, THE CAST IRON PIPE REPLACEMENT PROJECT IN THE JAIL, UM, THAT WAS ORIGINALLY IN THE CIP, UH, FOR 2026 THAT WAS PULLED FROM THE PLAN BECAUSE WE'RE EXPECTING WE'VE GOTTA ACTUALLY ADDRESS THAT SOONER.

UM, AND SO IN, IN THE COMING MONTHS, PROBABLY AS SOON AS NEXT MONTH YOU'LL SEE A, A, A RESOLUTION TO, TO ADDRESS THAT.

BUT IT DID GET PULLED FROM THIS PLAN.

SO I WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT AS A CHANGE.

UM, WE ALSO KIND OF, YOU'LL NOTE SOME OF THOSE LINES.

WE, WE ADDED SOME ADDITIONAL REVENUE SOURCES THAT WERE IDENTIFIED JUST TO KIND OF HELP FUND SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS IN THE COMING BIENNIUM.

UH, SORT OF OFFSET THAT SALES TAX NEED WITH OTHER REVENUE SOURCES THAT WE KNEW, UH, WERE EXISTED AND WERE OUT THERE.

UM, AND THEN ONE BIG PROJECT, UM, THAT WAS ADDED, UM, WAS THERE'S A, THERE'S A PROJECT IN THE JAIL THAT WAS ADDED FOR THE YEAR 25TH OR 2030 OF THE CIP.

UM, IT DOESN'T IMPACT THE CURRENT BIENNIUM, OBVIOUSLY, BUT IT'S IN THERE TO PUT A, IT'S A JAIL RENOVATION PROJECT, AND I'LL TALK ABOUT IT IN A MINUTE, BUT IT'S, IT'S OUT THERE JUST TO PUT IT ON OUR COLLECTIVE RADAR FOR THE COMING YEARS, JUST SO THAT WE'RE ALL AWARE OF, OF WHAT'S OUT THERE AND WHAT THE, WHAT THE NEEDS ARE COMING DOWN THE LINE.

SO I THINK I'LL JUST TAKE A COUPLE OF MINUTES TO WALK THROUGH SOME OF THE HIGH POINTS ON, ON EACH SECTION.

UM, AGAIN, KIND OF KIND OF GOING FAIRLY QUICKLY, BUT PLEASE STOP ME IF YOU'VE GOT QUESTIONS ALONG THE WAY.

UM, THE CLERK OF COURTS HAD TWO PROJECTS IN THE CIP, UM, THE AV PROJECT IS THE, IT, IT GOT CHANGED SLIGHTLY.

THE TIMING ON THAT PROJECT GOT MOVED OUT JUST A BIT.

UM, AND WE, WE SORT OF UPDATED THE COMMITTEE AT THE TIME 'CAUSE WE HAD, WE HAD, UH, GOTTEN SOME NEW INFORMATION, UM, BASED ON A CONVERSATION WITH THE VENDOR ABOUT THE SUPPORT FOR THE EXISTING EQUIPMENT.

I THINK THAT SENSE OF URGENCY IS A, A LITTLE BIT LESS NOW IN TERMS OF GETTING THAT REPLACED.

SO WE SHIFTED IT OUT INTO THE, INTO THE PLAN A LITTLE WAYS.

UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO NOTE THAT CHANGE, UM, IN COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.

UM, THERE, THE, THIS COMMITTEE, THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE LAST MONTH SAW A PROJECT, UH, THAT WAS, THAT WOULD MAKE ANNUAL CONTRIBUTIONS TO THAT BROWNFIELD REDEVELOPMENT FUND.

UM, THAT PROJECT WAS REMOVED FROM THE CIP AS WELL.

WE GOT A, WE GOT SOME, SOME FEEDBACK ABOUT ANNUAL FUNDING OF THAT.

AND INSTEAD, UH, WE PLAN TO, TO BASICALLY TO FUND THAT TO, TO IN, TO REPLENISH THAT FUND AS WE'RE ABLE.

SO YOU SAW THE, THE REQUEST, UM, FROM EARLIER IN THIS MEETING.

UM, WE ALSO PLAN TO BRING FORWARD A RESOLUTION, UH, NEXT MONTH FOR INJECTING, UH, THAT FUND WITH, WITH SOME ADDITIONAL DOLLARS, UH, AS WELL.

SO YOU'LL SEE THAT NEXT MONTH TOO.

BUT IT DID GET PULLED OUT OF THE PLAN AS AN ANNUAL FUNDING, UH, ALLOCATION.

SO WE'RE GOING TO DO A ONE TIME FUNDING AND NOT 200,000 PER YEAR CORRECT? UH, WAS ORIGINALLY PLANNED.

THAT'S CORRECT.

UM, IN THE FACILITIES AREA, THEY HAVE THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE PROJECTS IN THE CIP, UM, THE, IN TERMS OF FAIR PARK, UM, WE'RE SHOWING COSTS FOR THAT FAIR PARK MODERNIZATION PROJECT.

UM, WE'RE ALSO SHOWING THE DEBT SERVICE FOR THE DEBT TO FUND THAT, THAT PROJECT.

UM, SO, SO THAT'S KIND OF SHOWING IN THERE TWICE.

BUT WE THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO SHOW THE PROJECT ITSELF, UM, IN THE CIP AS WELL.

UM, ALSO FOR FAIR PARK, UM, THERE'S A PROJECT IN THERE FOR REPLACING THE ROOF IN THE PAVILION IN THE 27 YEAR OF THE MAIN, MOST OF THE COSTS ARE IN 2027.

UM, AND THEN THERE'S SOME PARKING LOT AND OTHER KIND OF MISCELLANEOUS PROJECTS THAT ARE SCHEDULED TO HAPPEN OUT THERE AT THE FAIR PARK.

I HAD A QUESTION ON THAT ROOF THAT, UH, METAL ROOF, OBVIOUSLY , ISN'T IT? WHICH, WHICH ROOF ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? WE'RE TALKING THE PAVILION BUILDING, WHICH WAS BUILT BACK IN 1997.

SO YOU'RE TALKING A A NOW A 30 YEAR LIFE, UNFORTUNATELY.

MIGHT NOT FEEL LIKE THAT.

UM, BUT IT'S REALITY.

SO NO, IT'S, IT'S A PAVILION BUILDING.

THE ZIEGLER IS THE ONE THAT'S THE LARGE GREEN METAL ROOF.

UM, OUTSIDE OF FAIR PARK, UM, THERE'S A, A BOAT, A BUNCH OF FACILITIES PROJECTS IN THERE, SORT OF MISCELLANEOUS.

SO THE OTHER ONE THAT'S NOT ON THE ROOF.

YEAH, YOU'LL SEE SOME METAL AT THE FRONT, OUR, OR A COUPLE OF THE OFFICES, BUT THE MAIN ROOF IS A FLAT ROOF.

SO WE GOT IT NOW.

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I, I, I GUESS I WOULD CONSIDER THEM WINDOWS AND CHILLERS AND BOILERS, UH, SOME PARKING LOT MAINTENANCE PROJECTS.

UM, THOSE ARE KIND OF SCATTERED THROUGHOUT THE, THE PLAN THROUGHOUT THE BIENNIUM, THE MAJOR BUILDING PROJECT, THE, THE MASTER PLAN, NOT IN THE CIP.

THAT PROJECT HAS BEEN FUNDED AS YOU KNOW, AND THE SCOPE OF THAT PROJECT IS SORT OF DEVELOPING IN REAL TIME.

SO FOR US TO JUST PLUG LIKE A DEAD, DEAD DATA INTO A-C-I-P-I DIDN'T THINK MADE A LOT OF SENSE.

SO WE WOULD, WE CHOSE TO LEAVE THAT PROJECT OUT, UM, KNOWING THAT IT'S BOTH FUNDED AND CHANGING EVERY, YOU KNOW, CONSTANTLY.

MEANING, MEANING THE ELECTRICAL WORK THAT HAS TO BE DONE, OR, UH, I'M, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE, THE CAMPUS MASTER PLAN.

THE BIG BUILDING PROJECT THAT WE'VE GOT HERE, UM, THE, THERE'S ABOUT $2.8 MILLION IN PROJECTS, UH, SHOWN IN THE PAC FOR 2028.

I RECOGNIZE THAT'S OUTSIDE OF THE BIENNIUM, BUT, BUT WE WANTED TO, I WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT BECAUSE WE'RE SORT OF TRYING TO IDENTIFY THE OUTSTANDING NEEDS AT THE PAC, UM, SO THAT THOSE NEEDS ARE KNOWN PRIOR TO US STARTING TO TALK ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THAT BUILDING AS WELL.

WE, WE DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT, UM, KEEPING OR BUILDING A BUILDING WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT EXISTING COSTS ARE OUT THERE.

AND SO WE, WE TRIED TO, TO PLUG THOSE IN FOR 2028.

SO, UM, SO THAT PAC, YOU'RE DOING THAT AS LIKE A PLACEHOLDER SORT OF, SO TO SPEAK, OF THE MONEY TO KIND OF KEEP THAT RELATIVE.

SO WHEN YOU GET TO THAT CONVERSATION WHERE, YOU KNOW, OUR MASTER PLAN IS MOVING ALONG, MAYBE IT'S TIME TO CLOSE THAT BUILDING, OR WE'RE GONNA END UP HAVING TO UPGRADE WITH ALL THIS STUFF THAT YOU'RE PUTTING ASIDE.

THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? THAT'S CORRECT.

IT'S GOT ALL OF THE DIFFERENT, OKAY, YOU'RE GONNA KEEP THIS BUILDING NOW YOU GOTTA GET THESE CHILLERS DONE, THESE WINDOWS DONE THERE, PARKING LOT DONE THIS, YOU KNOW.

EXACTLY.

AND THEN YOU START ADDING UP WHAT IT'S COST.

THAT'S THE PURPOSE FOR THAT WAY.

WE'LL HAVE ALL THE DATA NECESSARY TO MAKE A COGENT DECISION.

IF I CAN JUST ADD TO THAT, THAT WAS REQUESTED BY THE, THE BUILDING COMMITTEE.

JUST SO WE KNOW IF WE'RE OFFSETTING BY BUILDING NEW OR MAINTAINING WHAT WE HAVE THERE AND WHAT THE DIFFERENCE OF COST IS.

SCOPE OF THAT PROJECT IS, IS ALSO KIND OF BEING DISCUSSED, UH, AND SHAPED.

AND, AND THE REASON WE PUT IT IN 2028, IT COULD HAVE BEEN 29 OR, OR ANYTHING ELSE, IT JUST WAS IMPORTANT FOR US TO GET IT OUTSIDE OF THE CURRENT BIENNIUM.

SO IT'S NOT MODIFYING HOW WE'RE APPROACHING OUR FUNDING FOR EVERYTHING ELSE.

SO IN TERMS OF THE LAST FACILITIES PROJECT I WANTED TO MENTION WAS THAT JAIL RENOVATION PROJECT.

UM, WE'RE SHOWING THAT PROJECT IN 2030, SO OBVIOUSLY WE'LL BE DISCUSSING THAT A LOT MORE IN, IN, IN THE, THE YEARS TO COME AND, AND HOPEFULLY SOONER.

BUT, UM, BASICALLY MY UNDERSTANDING OF THAT PROJECT IS THAT THE CURRENT JAIL TRENDS SUGGESTS A NEED TO, TO TRANSITION FROM OUR JAILS CURRENTLY LAID OUT IN LIKE DORM TYPE SETTINGS.

THERE'S A, THERE'S A STRONG NEED TO TRANSITION AT LEAST SOME OF THOSE INTO MORE INDIVIDUAL CELLS, UM, DUE TO JUST DIFFERENT BEHAVIORAL NEEDS AND THINGS LIKE THAT OF THE CURRENT INMATE POPULATION.

UM, AND SO THAT THIS PROJECT IS SORT OF A CONCEPT PLAN FOR, FOR MAKING THAT CHANGE.

UM, AGAIN, IT'S IN HERE TO KEEP IT ON ALL OF OUR RADAR TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CONTINUING TO TALK ABOUT THIS.

IT'S CURRENTLY SHOWN AS, UH, UH, $4.6 MILLION, UH, CURRENTLY SHOWN DEBT FUNDED.

UM, BUT AGAIN, THAT'S, WE, IT'S FAR ENOUGH OUT WHERE WE WILL DO THIS AGAIN, WE'LL CREATE ANOTHER CIP AGAIN IN, IN THAT TIME.

AND, AND WE, WE FINE TUNE THOSE, UM, THOSE PROJECTS AS, AS THEY BECOME CLOSER AND CLOSER.

SO, UM, THE GOLF COURSE AREA, UM, THE GOLF COURSE, THEIR CIP FUNDS, BASICALLY THEIR PROJECTS AND THE EQUIPMENT THAT'S IN THE, THE 20, THEIR, THEIR 2050 PLAN OR THEIR FISCALLY THRIVING PLAN.

UM, THERE'S NO SALES TAX IN THIS, IN THE, IN THE GOLF SECTION OF THE CIP.

UM, THE, THE GOLF AREA ALSO INCLUDES A CLUBHOUSE IMPROVEMENT PROJECT.

UM, AND SO THAT, THAT CURRENTLY, THAT PROJECT SHOWS A FUNDING MIX OF ENDOWMENT CONTRIBUTIONS, UH, GOLF ENTERPRISE FUND, SO GOLF, CASH, UM, AND SOME DEBT, UH, BEING USED TO FUND THAT, BUILDING THAT DEBT.

THE, THE PRINCIPLE AND INTEREST ON THAT DEBT WOULD BE FUNDED BY THE GOLF COURSE.

UM, BUT AT THIS POINT, CONCEPTUALLY, THOSE FUNDING STREAMS ARE IN THERE.

I KNOW THAT THE

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UM, BUT, BUT WE WANTED TO INCLUDE THOSE FUNDING STREAMS IN THERE SO THAT, THAT YOU CAN SORT OF UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENT MOVING PARTS THAT ARE KIND OF OUT THERE FOR, FOR THAT PROJECT.

UM, HUMAN SERVICES HAS ONE PROJECT UPGRADING THEIR ELECTRONIC HEALTH RECORD.

UM, SUPERVISOR BOSER HAD A GOOD, UH, SUGGESTION IN THE COMMITTEE MEETING ABOUT, ABOUT THE FUNDING SOURCE FOR THAT.

SO WE ARE LOOKING TO USE OPIOID SETTLEMENT DOLLARS FOR THAT RATHER THAN, UH, SALES TAX.

UM, SO THAT IS ONE CHANGE THAT, THAT WAS ADDED TO THIS PLAN.

UM, WHAT WAS THE, UH, BUDGET ITEM? UH, IT WAS A, UH, UPGRADING THE ELECTRONIC HEALTH RECORD SYSTEM FOR HUMAN SERVICES, UM, ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS TO DO THAT.

INSTEAD OF FUNDING IT WITH SALES TAX, WE'RE PROPOSING TO FUND IT WITH OPIOID SETTLEMENT PROCEEDS.

VERY, UM, THE HIGHWAY, THE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT'S, UH, CIP THAT, THAT C THE PROJECTS IN THERE OBVIOUSLY SHOW THE PROJECTS THAT ARE BEING PLANNED FOR THE, THE COMING TERM.

UM, IN TERMS OF, UM, FUNDING SOURCES, UM, THAT PLAN IS FUNDED MOSTLY WITH SALES TAX.

THERE'S SOME STATE FUNDING SOURCES MIXED IN.

UM, JUST TO KIND OF REFRESH YOUR MEMORY, THAT THERE'S A SET AMOUNT OF SALES TAX THAT GETS BASICALLY INJECTED INTO THE 2050 PLAN EVERY YEAR.

SOMETIMES THEY SPEND MORE THAN THAT, SOMETIMES THEY SPEND LESS.

AND THAT BALANCE JUST KIND OF ACCUMULATES IN THE FUND FOR THOSE YEARS WHERE THEY SPEND MORE.

UM, AND SO THOSE PROJECTS AS LISTED IN THE CIP KIND OF DESCRIBE WHAT, WHAT THE PLAN IS FOR THE, THE COMING TWO YEARS.

UM, BUT THE FUNDING SOURCE ITSELF IS, IS THAT SORT OF SALES TAX INJECTION THAT THEN GETS OFFSET BY ANY, UH, STATE FUNDING THAT WE DO RECEIVE.

DO ANY OF THESE DEPART FROM WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY IN THE 2050 PLAN? I THINK SCOTT CAN HELP ANSWER THAT ONE.

UH, SOME OF THE YEARS HAVE CHANGED, LIKE, UH, HOW WE ASKED, FOR INSTANCE, WAS OUT THERE FOR, I THINK 29, MOVED UP TO 27.

UH, 'CAUSE SOME ROADS, SOMETIMES YOU, SOME ROADS HANG ON A LITTLE BIT LONGER AND SOME ROADS GO DOWN A LITTLE FASTER THAN YOU THINK.

SO, UH, EVERY PROJECT THAT'S IN THERE WAS IN THE 2050 PLAN, UH, LIKE COUNTY HIGHWAY.

AND WE HAD, WE THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA BE ABLE TO DO IT ALL THIS YEAR, BUT WITH UTILITY ISSUES AND RIGHT AWAY, CON RIGHT AWAY ISSUES, WE BROKE THAT DOWN INTO A TWO YEAR PROJECT VERSUS ONE.

SO THERE'S SOME SLIGHT MODIFICATIONS.

UH, WE'VE HAD SHARE, WE'VE SHARED THOSE ALL WITH THE PUBLIC WORKS COMMITTEE, AND THEY'VE LOOKED AT THAT AND APPROVED THAT.

BUT, UH, GENERALLY SPEAKING, THE CONCEPT IS ALL THERE.

UH, BUT SOME OF THE YEARS JUST CHANGED SLIGHTLY.

YOU CAN IMAGINE WHEN YOU'RE DOING A, YOU KNOW, MANY YEARS AGO WE STARTED THAT 20 YEAR PLAN, SO, YOU KNOW, THE PLAN'S GOOD.

YOU GOTTA REVISIT EVERY COUPLE YEARS AND, AND LOOK AT IT.

SO FOR THE MOST PART, PRETTY CLOSE.

UM, JUST A COUPLE MORE AREAS TO TOUCH ON IT.

UM, THE PROJECTS IN THERE JUST KIND OF REPRESENT OUR REGULAR REPLACEMENT CYCLE OF IT.

UM, BASICALLY THE, THE WAY THOSE PROJECTS ARE FUNDED IT, UM, IT IS BASICALLY THEY, THEY, THEY PAY FOR THE PROJECTS WITH THEIR CASH AND THEIR BUDGET INCURS, UH, AND EXPENSE FOR DEPRECIATION.

UH, WE OFFSET THAT DEPRECIATION COST WITH THE SALES TAX.

AND THAT HELPS.

UM, IT HELPS KINDA KEEP, KEEP THE, THE FUNDS SMOOTH AND KEEP THE, THE PROJECTS, UH, SMOOTH RATHER THAN WHOOPS, RATHER THAN BIG SPIKES.

DO THEY SORT OF HAVE THEIR OWN ENTERPRISE FUND THEN? I KNOW IT'S NOT EXACTLY, BUT CORRECT.

IT HAS THEIR OWN.

FUNDING FOR THE DEBT SERVICE ON THE RADIO SYSTEM.

THEIR OWN FUND, UM, UM, PARKS.

UM, AGAIN, PARKS WORK SIMILARLY TO GOLF.

THEY'RE AN ENTERPRISE FUND.

THEY, THEY FUND THE PROJECTS AND THE EQUIPMENT IN THEIR, UM, FISCALLY THRIVING PLAN, THEIR 2050 PLAN.

UM, AGAIN, NO SALES TAX, UH, IN THE PARKS SECTION, UH, THE ENTERPRISE SECTION OF THE CIP, UM, ONE PROJECT TO SORT OF CALL OUT HERE IS THE GLACIER HILLS LAKEFRONT DEVELOPMENT PROJECT.

UM, A LOT, AGAIN, A LOT LIKE THE GOLF COURSE CLUBHOUSE PROJECT, THE, THE SCOPE, UM, THE SCOPE IS BEING DISCUSSED.

THE PROJECT ITSELF CONTAINS A MIX OF FUNDING SOURCES, AGAIN, GRANTS, PARKS, ENTERPRISE CASH, AND, UH, CONTRIBUTIONS FROM THE ENDOWMENT, UH, IN THAT FUNDING MIX.

AND SO THAT'S CONTINUING TO BE DISCUSSED, BUT IT IS PRESENTED HERE FOR, FOR YOUR REVIEW.

UM, THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, UM, AREA, UM, THE, THE CIP IT'LL, IT SHOWS SOME

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UM, THAT PROJECT IS ONGOING, UM, BUT SHOULD WRAP UP, UH, HERE PRIOR TO THE START OF THE, THE NEXT CIP.

SO THE PROJECT ITSELF IS NOT IN THERE.

UM, THE CIP CONTINUES FUNDING FOR, FOR THE SQUADS.

UM, IT ALSO INCLUDES SOME ANNUAL SAVINGS TOWARDS THE EVENTUAL PURCHASE OF SOME LARGER, SOME OTHER LARGER EQUIPMENT.

UM, THERE'S A ARMORED RESCUE VEHICLE PROJECT IN THERE.

UH, THERE'S A SWAT TRUCK REPLACEMENT PROJECT IN THERE.

UM, AND, UH, I THINK A, A COMMAND LATER IN THE CIP, THERE'S A, LIKE A COMMAND, UM, VEHICLE, UH, THAT, THAT'S SET FOR REPLACEMENT IN THERE AS WELL.

UM, AND THEN THE, UH, THE INDOOR SHOOTING RANGE REMODEL PROJECT IS A, IS A BIG ONE.

THAT'S, THAT'S IN THIS CIP.

UM, IT'S BEEN IN THE CIP FOR A LONG TIME.

WE'VE DELAYED IT A COUPLE OF TIMES.

UH, THIS CIP FUNDS IT IN THE 26 27 BIENNIUM.

UM, AND, AND WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO, UH, COMPLETING THAT PROJECT.

UM, FINALLY THE LAST AREA IS TRANSIT.

SO TRANSIT SHOWS UP IN THE CIP FOR THE FIRST TIME.

UM, THEY'VE PURCHASED FOUR VEHICLES ANNUALLY.

UM, AND THESE VEHICLES DEFINITELY MEET OUR CAPITALIZATION THRESHOLD.

SO IT'S, IT'S ABOUT TIME THAT WE INCLUDED THEM IN THE CIP HISTORICALLY AND, AND CURRENTLY, UM, THEY ARE LARGELY GRANT FUNDED.

THE VAST MAJORITY OF THOSE VEHICLES ARE GRANT FUNDED, BUT I THINK IT STILL MAKES SENSE TO SHOW IT IN THE CIP.

UM, IN 2027, WE ARE PLANNING ON, UM, WHERE WE ARE SHOWING 13,000 OF COUNTY MATCHING FUNDS, UM, FOR THAT PROGRAM.

UH, IN, AGAIN, THAT'S, THAT'S SALES TAX IN 2027, UH, $0 IN 2026.

UM, BUT I WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT AS, AS, UH, SOMETHING THAT'S NEW TO THE CIP, BUT I THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO INCLUDE.

UM, SO THAT WAS THE EXTENT OF MY, OF MY DETAILED, UH, LOOK AT THIS.

UM, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

THE APPROVAL FOR THIS COMES IN THE FORM OF A RESOLUTION, OBVIOUSLY THAT'S ALSO IN THE PACKET.

UM, YOU'RE, AGAIN, AS A REMINDER, YOU'RE APPROVING THE PLAN.

UM, THE FUNDING FOR THE, THE PLAN ITSELF OBVIOUSLY GETS INCORPORATED INTO THE OPERATING BUDGET LATER THIS YEAR, BUT THIS IS APPROVAL OF THE PLAN.

SO DO WE HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION? NO.

AT THIS TIME I DID HAVE A MOTION IN THE SECOND CORRECT.

THAT BEING THE CASE.

DO YOU WANNA DO CARRYOVER REQUESTS RIGHT AWAY? MOTION BY SUPERVISOR SCHWAB, SECOND BY SUPERVISOR KEL.

UM, THIS IS A ROUTINE WE HAVE EVERY YEAR, SO, UM, IT'S, IT'S ALL IN THE PACKET.

ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION? THERE BEING NONE.

ANY OPPOSED? GOOD.

NOW WE HAVE A WHOLE MESS OF GEOGRAPHIC INFORMATION SYSTEM SHARING THAT IS GONNA BE GOING ON.

UM, MR. CHAIRMAN? YES, SIR.

IS IT PRUDENT FOR ME, OR IS IT POSSIBLE FOR ME TO MOTION TO PUT THESE ALL INTO ONE MOTION? I THINK WE HAVE TO TREAT 'EM ALL SEPARATE FOR PURPOSES OF, OF, UH, TRACKING THEM AND SO FORTH.

THEY SHOULD BE TREATED SEPARATELY.

UM, BUT YOU COULD PROBABLY APPROVE THEM ON MASS IN, IN ONE MOTION, APPROVE THEM ON, AND WE'LL JUST GO THROUGH THEM VERY WELL.

MOTION BY KELLY SECOND BY SCHWAB MOTION FIRST.

AND I BELIEVE WE DISCUSSED THE FACT THAT MANY OF THESE SERVICES HAVE BEEN GO ONGOING FOR YEARS.

IT'S JUST THAT NOW WE'RE GOING TO DO 'EM AS PART OF SALES TAX SHARING, .

UM, THOSE ARE THE, THE FOUR THAT WE'VE HAD EXISTING MOUS WITH.

SO WE'VE BEEN PROVIDING SOME SERVICES.

UM, IT'S A COUPLE HOURS A YEAR, WE SEND THEM AN INVOICE AND THEY'VE BEEN PAYING US, UM, TIME AND MATERIALS FOR THOSE PROJECTS.

UM, SO WE WILL BE TERMINATING THOSE MOUS WITH THOSE MUNICIPALITIES AND REPLACING THEM WITH SHARED SERVICE AGREEMENTS.

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AND TOWN OF TRENTON.

UM, TOWN OF KIOSKI IS ALSO ON THE AGENDA TODAY.

THAT'S ALSO A NEW ONE.

UM, AGAIN, A A THE MUNICIPALITY CONTACTED US ASKING US THAT WE'RE, IF WE WERE INTERESTED, UM, YOU SEE FIVE OF 'EM ON THE AGENDA.

UM, THE, THE WORK DEMAND IS NOT REALLY HIGH FOR EITHER OF 'EM.

THEY HAVE, THEY, THEY EACH, THEY EACH HAVE A COUPLE OF REALLY SPECIFIC NEEDS THAT WE CAN HELP 'EM OUT WITH.

UM, AND WE'RE, WE'RE HAPPY TO DO THAT FOR 'EM.

SO IF THE QUESTION IS, DO WE HAVE THE STAFF TIME TO TAKE ON FIVE MORE MUNICIPALITIES, UM, FOR THESE MUNICIPALITIES, UM, FOR THE CURRENT ASK? THE ANSWER IS YES, FOR SURE.

THAT WAS GONNA BE MY QUESTION.

I ALWAYS HAVE TO MAKE SURE.

DO WE HAVE ENOUGH ADEQUATE STAFF TO DO IT? SO, THANK YOU.

ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION? GOOD.

SO CAN WE TAKE THEM ALL AS ONE VOTE? YEAH.

YOU, YOU CAN MAKE ONE VOTE TO APPROVE THEM ALL AS IN A BATCH, BUT WE'LL JUST KEEP THE RESOLUTIONS THEMSELVES SEPARATELY, UH, SO THAT WE HAVE, WE CAN TRACK THEM IN THE MINUTES AND FOR EACH MUNICIPALITY, THEN THEY CAN HAVE THEIR OWN.

AND THAT IS WHAT I HAD MEANT.

THAT'S PERFECTLY FINE.

YOU BET.

THAT BEING THE CASE.

ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

NEXT ITEM IS J COUNTY BOARD CHAIR TO SIGN DOCUMENTS WHEN COUNTY EXECUTIVE IS UNAVAILABLE.

UM, MOTION AND A SECOND SUPERVISOR, SHARUN SUPERVISOR SCHWAB.

ANY DISCUSSION? I'M ACTUALLY SURPRISED THIS WASN'T, UH, ALWAYS THE CASE.

THE CASE BEFORE, ACTUALLY THE EXECUTIVE THOUGHT THAT WAS ALREADY IN THE CODE, BUT IT, IT WAS NOT.

SO WE'LL HAVE A EXPLANATION BY THE, OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY.

YOU'RE OVER THERE NOW, .

IT'S, IT'S NOT RIGHT TO MAKE YOU TURN AROUND.

AND SO MY BUNNY BECAUSE I GET TO GET MY, MY, UH, YOU KNOW, BLOOD FLOWING AGAIN.

ALWAYS LIKE IMPROVEMENTS.

UH, YEAH.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT PROBABLY SHOULD BE IN THE CODE, QUITE FRANKLY.

WE HAVE OCCASIONS UP IN THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WHERE WE'RE PROCESSING, WE PROCESS HUNDREDS OF CONTRACTS A YEAR, UPWARDS OF 400 CONTRACTS A YEAR, COME THROUGH MY OFFICE.

AND THERE ARE TIMES THAT, THAT JOSH ISN'T AVAILABLE.

THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE IS A VERY BUSY SCHEDULE AND HE'S NOT IN THE BUILDING.

AND WE SOMETIMES LET THOSE CONTRACTS SIT AND WAIT TILL HE RETURNS.

SOMETIMES IF, UH, IF WE'RE PRESSED FOR TIME, WE'LL TRACK DOWN THE CHAIRMAN, BUT WE THOUGHT IT'D BE BEST TO ACTUALLY PUT A PROCESS IN THE CODE THAT SETS FORTH HOW WE'RE GONNA DO THAT, WHAT CONSTITUTES AN ABSENCE.

AND WE WANTED TO DEFINE THAT AND CLARIFY THAT.

UM, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE HAS REVIEWED THIS.

HE'S GOOD WITH IT.

THE CHAIRMAN HAS REVIEWED THIS, HE'S GOOD WITH IT.

AND SO WE ASK YOU TO, TO APPROVE THIS SO WE HAVE A NICE CLEAN PROCESS IN OUR CODE WHEN WE NEED TO GET CONTRACTS SIGNED.

HOW TO GO ABOUT DOING THAT.

JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, THE INTERESTING THING IS THAT WE AS A BOARD STILL HAVE TO APPROVE EVERYTHING ANYWAY, SO NOTHING CHANGES OTHER THAN WHO SIGNS IT E EXACTLY.

THIS IS JUST A MATTER OF PROCESSING CONTRACTS.

YEP, YOU BET.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? THERE BEING NONE.

ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU.

UH, AND ARE YOU STAYING THERE? OKAY.

OUR NEXT ITEM IS, UH, THE USE OF STRATEGIC PRO PRIORITY FUNDS TO PROVIDE TRAINING FOR THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE COORDINATING COUNCIL.

UM, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT JUST CAME UP, SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE IN THE PACKET.

SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE, UH, ATTORNEY STERN EXPLAIN.

AND WE'RE JUST GETTING IT OFF THE GROUND NOW.

THERE'S NO BACKUP.

AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH MR. CHAIRMAN, FOR ALLOWING THIS ITEM TO GET ON VERY, VERY LAST MINUTE.

AND THERE'S A REASON FOR THAT, AND I'LL EXPLAIN.

UM, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE COORDINATING COUNCIL, THIS IS ONE OF THE COUNTY'S, UH, NEWER, UH, STRATEGIC PRIORITIES.

AND IT WAS A TASK I WAS ASSIGNED BY THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE, UH, TOWARD, I THINK TOWARD THE END OF LAST YEAR, HE ASKED THAT I ASSIST IN, UH, HAVING THIS COUNCIL REESTABLISHED HERE IN WASHINGTON COUNTY.

UM, AND I'VE BEEN WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH JUDGE ERNO.

IN FACT, UH, CHAIRMAN SCH LIFE AND AND VICE CHAIR SCHWAB ARE BOTH ESSENTIALLY REP MEMBERS OF THAT COMMITTEE IN A ROUNDABOUT WAY.

UH, SUPERVISOR, UH, SCHWAB DIRECTLY AND SUPERVISOR, UH, AND CHAIRMAN SCH LIFE IN THE SENSE THAT HE HAS THE ABILITY TO APPOINT A SUPERVISOR, UH, TO THAT PARTICULAR COUNCIL.

UH, THE PURPOSE OF THE COUNCIL ESSENTIALLY IS TO SERVE AS AN ADVISORY BODY, UH, TO THE POLICYMAKERS HERE IN THE COUNTY THAT WORK WITHIN THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM.

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WE HAVE A, A MEMBERSHIP OF 11 INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE, UH, VERY IMPORTANT TO THAT PARTICULAR PROCESS.

WE HAVE THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE ON THAT COMMITTEE.

WE HAVE A SUPERVISOR APPOINTED BY THE CHAIR.

IN THIS CASE IT'S SUPERVISOR SCHWAB, WHO CHAIRS PUBLIC SAFETY, MAKES ALL THE SENSE IN THE WORLD.

UH, ONE OF OUR CIRCUIT COURT JUDGES IS ON THAT COMMITTEE.

THE, UH, CHIEF PUBLIC DEFENDER, THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY, THE SHERIFF, THE CHIEF OF THE POLICE CHIEFS OF WASHINGTON COUNTY IS ON THAT COMMITTEE.

THE, UH, CHIEF OF, UH, OF PUBLIC SAFETY.

UH, MR. SEGER IS ON THAT PARTICULAR COMMITTEE.

UM, I'M TRYING TO THINK.

THE, THE, UH, THE, UH, LIAISON FOR THE DRUG COURT IS ALSO HAS A SEAT ON THE COMMITTEE.

I DON'T KNOW IF I'M MISSING ANYBODY.

UH OH.

YEAH, OF COURSE.

JULIE DRISCOLL, UH, UH, HEAD OF HUMAN SERVICES IS ON THAT COMMITTEE AS I GLANCED DOWN AND TRYING TO CHEAT, UH, ON MY LIST HERE.

I THINK I'VE, UH, ABOUT COVERED EVERYBODY AT THAT POINT.

UM, SO THESE ARE, UH, ARE BIG WIGS AND THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE DIRECTLY INVOLVED IN, UH, THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE PROCESS AND IMPROVING IT AND SO ON.

AND THE PURPOSE OF THIS PARTICULAR COMMITTEE IS TO SET SOME PRIORITIES, UM, TO IMPROVE OUR CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM HERE IN, IN WASHINGTON COUNTY.

WE'VE HAD OUR FIRST MEETING, IT OCCURRED ON THE, UH, 14TH OF JANUARY.

OUR NEXT MEETING IS SCHEDULED FOR APRIL 8TH.

AND THAT'S WHY THIS IS SUCH A SHORT NOTICE AGENDA ITEM.

AT THAT PARTICULAR MEETING, IT WAS VERY CLEAR BY THE MEMBERSHIP OF THAT COMMITTEE THAT WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR IMMEDIATELY IS SOME TRAINING, FOUNDATIONAL TRAINING.

AND WHAT EXACTLY IS A CRIMINAL JUSTICE COORDINATING COMMITTEE? HOW DOES IT WORK? WHAT DOES IT DO? WHAT'S ITS PURPOSE? AND NUMBER TWO, THEY WOULD LIKE SOME, UM, STRATEGIC PRIORITY PLANNING MUCH LIKE THE SUPERVISORS DID DURING THEIR RETREAT RECENTLY.

SOMEBODY TO COME IN AND, AND DO THAT WITH THE COMMITTEE SO WE CAN GET THIS COMMITTEE OFF THE GROUND AND MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

THIS IS A COMMITTEE, AGAIN, OF BUSY PEOPLE WITH A FEW PATIENTS.

AND I'M SAYING THAT WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, BECAUSE I THINK IF I WAIT TOO LONG TO PROVIDE THEM WITH THAT TRAINING OR GET 'EM THOSE RESOURCES, THIS IS A GROUP THAT COULD QUICKLY LOSE INTEREST BECAUSE THEY ARE SO BUSY WITH OTHER OBLIGATIONS AND OTHER IMPORTANT MATTERS TO DEAL WITH.

AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, WHILE IT'S IMPORTANT TO THE COUNTY, UH, I NEED TO MAKE SURE IT'S IMPORTANT TO THE MEMBERSHIP OF THAT, IMPORTANT TO THE MEMBERSHIP OF THAT, THAT, UH, COUNCIL AS WELL.

UH, TO THAT END, UH, JUDGE AUTH, WHO I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH, AND JUDGE AUTH CHAIRS THE COMMITTEE, UM, HER AND I HAVE BEEN WORKING TOGETHER TO TRY TO FIND A TRAINING RESOURCE.

INITIALLY, UM, WE HAD GONE TO THE, UH, A NATIONAL, UH, INSTITUTE OF, UM, CRIMINAL JUSTICE.

IT'S A FEDERAL AGENCY, AND THEY WILL AT TIMES PROVIDE TRAINING FREE OF CHARGE.

AND, UH, THEY'LL COME IN PERSON OR THEY'LL PAY FOR US TO BRING IN A FACILITATOR.

THEY HAD AGREED TO DO THAT ORIGINALLY.

THE PROBLEM IS, I JUST GOT AN EMAIL FROM THEM, I THINK IT WAS LATE LAST WEEK OR EARLIER THIS WEEK, MAYBE MONDAY, INDICATING THAT BECAUSE OF BUDGET UNCERTAINTY IN WASHINGTON, THEY DON'T KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THEY WILL BE ABLE TO PAY FOR ANYTHING AT THIS POINT.

EXACTLY.

UM, SO I WENT THEN, UH, AND CONTACTED, UH, AN ORGANIZATION CALLED THE, UM, UM, THE, THE JUSTICE MANAGEMENT, UH, UH, INSTITUTE.

UM, AND THEY ARE THE GROUP THAT THE NCI AS THEY'RE CALLED, THAT FEDERAL AGENCY CONTRACTS WITH, PROVIDE THE TRAINING.

AND I'VE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH THEM, ASKED FOR A PROPOSAL FOR THEM TO COME IN AND DO TRAINING FOR OUR GROUP.

THEY PROVIDED VARIOUS PROPOSALS SO FAR, INITIALLY, A PROPOSAL THAT WOULD'VE HAD THEM COME IN, UH, IN 90 MINUTES AND TRY TO DO, UH, FOUNDATIONAL TRAINING AND SET, UH, PRIORITIES.

AND I THOUGHT THAT REALLY WASN'T REASONABLE.

IT WASN'T REALLY AN EFFECTIVE WAY TO TRY TO CRAM ALL THAT INTO 90 MINUTES.

THAT PARTICULAR PROPOSAL WOULD'VE BEEN ABOUT $7,000 TO HAVE THEM IN TO DO THAT, BECAUSE I WENT BACK TO THEM AND SAID, I THINK WE NEED TWO MEETINGS TO DO THIS.

ONE FOR FOUNDATIONAL TRAINING AND ONE FOR PRIORITIES TRAINING.

UM, THAT'S GONNA CHANGE THE PROPOSAL AND CHANGED THE COST.

I WAS WORKING WITH THEM TODAY TO TRY TO COME UP WITH A A DOLLAR AMOUNT.

WE MAY BE LOOKING AT MORE THE $10,000 RANGE OR MORE.

UM, I JUST DON'T HAVE A SOLID SET NUMBER FOR YOU.

SO RATHER THAN COME BEFORE YOU AND ASK FOR A SET DOLLAR AMOUNT, WHERE I'M GONNA ASK TODAY IS THAT YOU ALLOW ME TO CONTINUE TO, UH, FERRET OUT THESE PROPOSALS AND THEN PRESENT THESE PROPOSALS, UH, TO THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE CHAIRMAN SCH LIFE VICE CHAIR SCHWAB, AND WITH THEIR CONSULTATION AND THEIR, UH, AGREEMENT, DECIDE WHAT THEY THINK IS AN APPROPRIATE AMOUNT TO SPEND, WHAT AN APPROPRIATE TRAINING LOOKS LIKE, AND ALLOW US THEN TO CONTRACT, UH, FOR THAT PARTICULAR TRAINING.

I COULD COME IN TODAY AND ASK YOU FOR $10,000 AND HOPE THAT COVERS IT.

FIND OUT IT DOESN'T, AND COME BACK AND ASK FOR MORE.

AND I DON'T WANNA DO THAT.

I THOUGHT PERHAPS THE COMMITTEE WOULD GRANT THE AUTHORITY TO THE CHAIR, VICE CHAIR AND THE COUNTY EXEC TO MEET WITH ME TO DISCUSS AND IN THEIR DISCRETION, TO DECIDE WHAT THEY THINK IS APPROPRIATE.

KNOWING THEIR CONSERVATIVE NATURE.

I DON'T BELIEVE THEY'RE GONNA OVERSPEND OR, OR ALLOW US TO GO OVER THE TOP ON THIS.

BUT IT GIVES ME SOME FLEXIBILITY AND HOPE THAT I CAN GET SOMEBODY IN FRONT OF THE, THE, THE TEAM APRIL 8TH,

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WHICH RIGHT NOW, SO FAR, I THINK I CAN DO.

UM, SO THAT'S THE ASK THIS AFTERNOON.

IT'D BE BASICALLY A MOTION AND A SECOND, UH, TO AUTHORIZE ME TO WORK WITH THE CHAIR, THE VICE CHAIR, AND THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE TO COME UP WITH A FUNDING, UH, A PLAN.

WE'D, IT'D BE STRATEGIC PRIORITY FUNDS, UM, BUT TO COME UP WITH A DOLLAR AMOUNT AND A PROPOSAL, UM, A TRAINING MECHANISM FOR THE CJCC.

THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING FOR TODAY.

SO YOU DON'T THINK IT WOULD BEHOOVE US TO SAVE UP TO 20,000? WOULD BE, THAT WOULD PROBABLY MORE THAN COVER YOU TYPE OF DEAL, OR IT, IT, IT, IT, IT, IT COULD, IT SHOULD.

UM, I JUST DON'T KNOW.

AND SO I DIDN'T WANT TO COME BACK.

AND IF, FOR EXAMPLE, WE DECIDE THAT THEY CAN DO MORE FOR US, UH, AND PROVIDE SOME ONGOING SERVICES FOR US, AND WE CONTRACT WITH THEM ON ANOTHER LEVEL, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THIS GIVES US SOME FLEXIBILITY.

YEP.

YOUR CALL YOUR CHOICE.

BUT THAT'S, UH, I HAD THOUGHT ABOUT THAT BRIEFLY, BUT I, I, THAT'S WHY CHASED JOSH OUT IN THE HALLWAY A LITTLE WHILE AGO TO SEE IF HE WOULD, YOU KNOW, GIVE ME THE THUMBS UP FOR THIS PARTICULAR ASK.

HE SAID, YES.

UH, IT'S UP TO YOU.

AND WE HAVE SUFFICIENT STRATEGIC PRIORITY FUNDS AVAILABLE TO YES.

WHEN I TALKED TO THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE, UH, OFFLINE ABOUT IT, HE SAID THAT, UH, THIS IS AN IMPORTANT STRATEGIC PRIORITY FOR THE COUNTY.

IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY NEED TO GET ACCOMPLISHED.

AND HE FELT THERE WOULD BE MONEY IN THE BUDGET TO DO THIS, BUT OF COURSE, WE WANNA BE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE.

UH, I DO WANT TO INDICATE, AFTER TALKING WITH HIM IN THE HALLWAY, HE DID ALSO SUGGEST THAT I INCLUDE THE CHAIR AND THE VICE CHAIR OF THIS PARTICULAR COMMITTEE, UH, ON ANY DECISION MAKING WHEN IT COMES TO HOW MUCH MONEY TO SPEND AND FOR WHAT PURPOSE.

YEAH, I WOULD, YES, SIR.

UM, I, I THINK IN ITS CONCEPT, IT'S FINE.

UM, WE GENERALLY RELY ON THE EXECUTIVE TO DO CONTRACTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

UM, BUT BEING, AS THIS IS A MATTER THAT WOULD COME BEFORE THE BOARD FOR APPROVAL, TYPICALLY, I THINK IT'S VERY PRUDENT TO HAVE AT LEAST THE CHAIR AND THE VICE CHAIR, UH, INVOLVED AS YOU MAKE PROCESS.

SO I WOULD APPROVE.

AND THAT'S TOTALLY UNDERSTANDABLE, AND I AGREE.

SO, CAN WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND THEN MOTION VICE SUPERVISOR KELLY KEL.

SUPERVISOR.

SUPERVISOR SHARIN YOU'VE BEEN POINTED TO.

SO THANK YOU FOR THE SECOND .

UM, SUPERVISOR CHADRON, SUPERVISOR SCHWAB.

ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

SO NOW, UM, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO GO INTO CLOSED SESSION.

UM, CAN I DO A ROLL CALL THEN? YEAH.

MR. STERN, DO YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE CLOSED SESSION RULES THAT WE NOW HAVE TO LIVE WITH? YES.

UH, JUST VERY BRIEFLY, UH, GENTLEMEN, UH, THERE'S, UH, BEEN A, UH, A CASE THAT WAS DECIDED RECENTLY BY THE COURT OF APPEALS THAT INDICATED THAT FROM NOW ON WHEN WE GO INTO CLOSED SESSIONS, UH, AND THIS APPLIES TO ANY GOVERNMENTAL BODY, WE SHOULD TAKE A MOTION AND A SECOND OPEN THAT MOTION A SECOND TO DISCUSSION, UM, AND INDICATE BRIEFLY WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THE CLOSED SESSION IS.

SO THE PUBLIC, ANY PUBLIC IN ATTENDANCE HAS THE ABILITY TO HEAR AND UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE DOING IT.

IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THE BASIS FOR THE CLOSED SESSION IS BECAUSE WE ARE INVOLVED IN A LAWSUIT.

IT'S A WORKERS' COMPENSATION LAWSUIT RIGHT NOW.

AND, UH, WE WOULD LIKE TO GO INTO CLOSED SESSION SO WE CAN CONFER WITH OUR LEGAL COUNSEL TO DISCUSS POTENTIAL STRATEGIES FOR SETTLEMENT AND TRIAL.

THANK YOU FOR THAT EXPLANATION.

YOU ARE WELCOME.

WE'LL DO ROLL CALL, VOTE NOW.

AYE AYE AYE.

WE'LL GO TO CLOSED SESSION.

CAN THE, UH, SITTING BOARD MEMBERS BE INCLUDE? YEAH, I BELIEVE SO.

PROCEED PLEASE.

I'LL, I GUESS I'LL TURN IT OVER TO, TO, UM, UH, TO DANIEL.

SO THE REASON THAT, THAT WE ARE HERE, WE DO HAVE A, A WORKERS' COMP COMPENSATION ISSUE.

UH, ONE OF OUR EMPLOYEES WAS A FACILITY'S EMPLOYEE, UM, WAS INJURED ON THE JOB.

UM, THERE'S NO DEBATE OVER WHETHER IT WAS A WORK RELATED INJURY, UM, BUT THERE ARE MEDICAL CLAIMS AND A MEDICAL SETTLEMENT IS BEING SOUGHT.

AND SO THE ATTORNEY WHO IS REPRESENTING, UM, BASICALLY OUR WORK COMP CARRIER AND ULTIMATELY US, UM, HAS BEEN WORKING WITH, UM, THEIR OWN DEVICE AS WELL AS LOOKING AT KIND OF WHAT THE, THE SITUATIONS WITH THIS PERSON.

AND WHAT THEY'RE COMING TO DO IS THEY'RE RECOMMENDING TO US A SETTLEMENT OF A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.

UM, AND THIS ATTORNEY'S GONNA BE ON THE PHONE HERE SO HE CAN QUICKLY TALK ABOUT IT.

BUT ULTIMATELY IT'S A FUNCTION OF, OF MITIGATING WHAT OUR POTENTIAL EXPOSURE COULD BE.

AND THIS MAY BE A, A REASONABLE SETTLEMENT.

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UH, HE'S THE ATTORNEY REPRESENTING US.

UM, BRAD, IF YOU JUST WANNA GET HIM A GOING ATTORNEY.

MAD ADRIANA, UH, CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY.

THIS IS BRAD STERN.

HI, BRAD.

UM, YEP.

I'M ALL SET TO GO WITH THE, UH, THE BOARD READY? YES.

WE HAVE YOU ON, UH, SPEAKERPHONE NOW.

AND OUR EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE IS, UH, GATHERED AROUND THE TABLE.

AND IF YOU COULD JUST PROVIDE THEM WITH A, AN EXPLANATION, MAYBE A, A LITTLE BRIEF HISTORY ON THE CASE AND, AND WHAT YOUR POSITION IS AND WHAT YOU BELIEVE THE COUNTY SHOULD DO.

AND IN RELATION TO THAT POSITION, PLEASE.

ABSOLUTELY.

AND I APPRECIATE THE, UM, EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE TAKING THE TIME TO, UH, PUT THIS ON YOUR AGENDA.

I KNOW YOU'RE BUSY.

GOT A LOT OF THINGS TO DO, SOME BAD WEATHER AS WELL.

SO, UM, I'M DAN, I'M, UM, FOR LEONARD MAR I RETAINED BY, WHO REPRESENT WASHINGTON COUNTY'S INTEREST.

I ONLY REPRESENT THE LAWYERS A LOT OF, SO WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THIS, THIS ONE IS THE WORKERS' COMPENSATION BROUGHT BY JOHN LUTZ, 1-YEAR-OLD MALE BACK, UH, STEMMING FROM A TWISTY GARBAGE BAG INTO A DUMPSTER REOCCURRED BACK ON NOVEMBER, 2021.

UM, FROM A WORKERS' COMP STANDPOINT, IMPORTANT PART ABOUT THIS IS IT'S NOT HAVE A DOCUMENTED HIS BACK TREATMENT PRIOR TO THE ALLEGED WORK OFFENDING A WORKERS' COMPENSATION BEHALF OF EMPLOYER.

THAT'S USUALLY THE RED FLAG IS DO THEY HAVE ANY PREACT PROBLEM? SO MS DOES NOT GOT ALL THE PRIOR MEDICAL RECORDS.

HE DOES NOT DOCUMENT HISTORY BACK TREATMENT PRIOR TO THE WORK.

EVENTUALLY UNDERWENT, UH, AN L FOUR, UM, THERE.

AND EVENTUALLY, LIKE I SAID, HE HAD HER BACK IN 20.

AND AS A RESULT OF THAT, HUGE HAS A SEVERE PERMANENT, PRETTY EXPENSIVE WORKERS' COMPENSATION CLAIM.

HE'S ALSO, THE S BACK INJURY HAS, UH, LIMIT HIS JOB.

HE'S NOT IN TERMS OF LIFT AND ALSO LIMITED FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, FROM AN EVENT PERSPECTIVE, THE DOCTOR WHO OFTENTIMES HAPPENS, WE GOT AN INDEPENDENT DOCTOR, CHRIS, VERY CREDIBLE DOCTOR, AND DR.

NOON THAT THE WORKING INJURY TO HAPPEN.

BUT DR.

NOON INVITED, UM, A AT THE, FOR US, SO HE SAID THAT COULD HAVE UNDERWENT A DIFFERENT, UNDER A PRE, UM, PRE INFUSION.

UM, MUCH MORE DIFFICULT PROCEDURE.

IT'S MUCH MORE INVASIVE.

OUR INDEPENDENT DOCTOR SAID HE'D GONE ON A MOLESTED BASED STAND, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, HE JUST DOES HAVE A PERMANENS NOT IN, UM, THAT, UH, THAT HIS DOCTOR CLEAN.

SO WORKERS' COMPENSATIONS, THEY DON'T HAVE A WITNESS THAT WORKING WITH THAT DAY HAPPENED OR TOLD ABOUT, OR HERE AGAIN, WE'RE JUST DEALING THAT OUR DOCTOR VERSUS DOCTOR LETS UNDERWENT DOCTOR RECOMMENDED IT.

WHILE IT PROBABLY WASN'T THE BEST SURGERY, ALL COUNTS HAS BEEN A SURGERY, SO HAS A PERMANENT DISCIP CLAIM.

HE HAS A TIME OFF OF WORK CLAIM.

AND HE ALSO, BASED ON HIS PERMANENT RESTRICTIONS, HE'S ALSO CLAIMING, UM, THERE WERE QUESTIONS EARLIER BROUGHT, UH, TODD OR BRAD BROUGHT THEM UP.

WELL, HE'S 51 OLD, UNFORTUNATELY WISCONSIN, REST OF YOUR LIFE, THERE'S NOT A PRESUMPTION FIVE YEARS OLD, LONGER TO WORK.

FORTUNATELY THE LAW ALLOWS HIM TO BENEFIT HUGE'S, LOSS OF EARNING CAPACITY, BENEFITS, CLAIM ON HIS PERMANENT RESTRICTIONS, DOCTOR NO LONGER, UH, HE EVER AGAIN MAKES A PERMANENT RESTRICTION HARD BASED ON HIS AGE WHERE HE LIVES TO FIND A JOB WITHIN VERY RESTRIC.

SO AGAIN, HE'S TAKING TIME OFF OF WORK AND ALSO FUTURE OF LOSS, LOSS OF EARNING, UM, VALUE OF THE CLAIM, LOSS OF EARNING CAPACITY, LOSS

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OF FUTURE, ABOUT $4.

THE PRESENT VALUE, THERE'S SOME OFFSETS INVOLVED IS ABOUT 200, BOTTOM LINE OF WORTH, ABOUT $300,000.

UM, AND ALSO MEDICAL EXPENSES.

THE GOOD LICENSE WERE PAID BY YOUR GROUP HEALTH CARRIER, THE COUNTY'S GROUP HEALTH CARRIER, WHICH A LOT CHEAPER THAN BY WORKERS' COMP.

SO NAN OWNED THOUSAND DOLLARS ALONG OUR LEAGUE.

NOT, UH, NOT AN ISSUE.

PART OF IT, THE MONEY PART OF IT IS THOUSAND DOLLARS.

UM, WORKERS' COMP SYSTEM IN GENERAL IS VERY FULL EMPLOYEE.

AGAIN, WE'RE JUST DEALING.

SO, UH, IT'S, THAT SHOULD SETTLE FOR WORKER COMPENSATION.

SO THAT'S WHAT I GOT.

ANY QUESTIONS I'M HAPPY TO ADDRESS.

JUST REAL QUICK, UH, ON A RECAP, AND, AND BRAD, YOU CAN PROBABLY HELP, HELP ME UNDERSTAND THIS.

SO WITH THIS SETTLEMENT THAT SAID HE SIGNED OFF, WAIVED ANY FUTURE CLAIMS AND WE'RE GOOD, I MEAN, TO ME, I THINK THAT SOUNDS REASONABLE FOR THE AMOUNT, EXTENT OF THE INJURIES, SIR.

I THINK I, I DON'T EVER WANT TO COME BACK TO ASKING FOR MORE MONEY.

AND DAN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO EXPLAIN IT? COULD YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN, UM, THE RISK IF, IF THIS GOES TO TRIAL AND, AND THERE'S A LOSS AND HE REQUIRES FUTURE SURGERIES OR PROCEDURES, WHAT THAT MIGHT ENTAIL? YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD POINT.

SO THE, THE RISK IS TO KIND OF, UM, GOING AHEAD WITH THE, HERE NOT ONLY THE AMOUNT, THE AMOUNT OF MONEY, BUT HE COULD HAVE AN, AN OPEN CHECKBOOK AFTER MAY COUNTY.

UM, SO, YOU KNOW, THIS TYPE OF SURGERY WENT, THIS SURGERY OFTEN LEADS TO HAVING TO UNDERGO RE PROBLEMS AND OTHER TYPE OF SURGERY LEVEL.

SO IF WE GO AHEAD WITH THE TUESDAY, WHICH I, I THINK TONIGHT ON THE 10 TIMES, JUST, WE DON'T HAVE A FACTUAL DEFENSE.

SO IF WE MOVE THAT HEARING, WE GET, UM, WE'RE GONNA BE ON THE HOOK FOR IT BACK, YOU KNOW, CHIROPRACTIC TREATMENT, WHATEVER IT IS.

AS LONG AS THE DOCTOR SAYS, YEAH, THIS IS DUE 2021, WE'RE ON THE HOOK, UM, FOR THAT.

SO I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR, UM, AND AGAIN, COMPLICATED BECAUSE COMPENSATION WORLD IS, UH, NOT ALL THAT INTEREST TELLING.

BUT, UM, ONE FACT, ONE THING I DO WANT JUST MAKE SURE DISCUSS, HE'S GONNA CLOSE OUT EVERYTHING.

HE'S NOT GONNA GIVE A CLAIM OR BENEFITS AND OPEN THE SETTLEMENT BECAUSE HE'S ON SOCIAL SECURITY, NOT CLOSE OUT FUTURE MEDICALS SETTLEMENT WITHOUT INCLUDE MEDICARE FEDERAL GOVERNANCE, MEDICALS ARE LEFT OPEN.

HOWEVER, THEY'RE LEFT OPEN.

SO OUR DEFENSE, SO WE CAN ALL DEFENSES THE CASE, NOT CLAIM, UH, HE CANNOT MAKE WESLEY COUNTY PAY FOR IT, HAVE TO GO THROUGH A HEARING DOWN THE ROAD FOR HARRY.

UNLIKELY LIKELY HE'S GONNA COME BACK AFTER FUTURE MEDICAL.

HE DOES.

WE POSSIBLE THAT YOUR DAY, UH, WISCONSIN COUNTY MUTUAL CORPORATION WILL BOOK FUNDING AND THAT STATE MEDICARE IMPOSES OUT ANY HUGE WORK CLAIM HAVE AND ALSO CLOSE OUT ANY PAST HAS OPEN FUTURE MEDICAL SUBJECT .

SO HEARING ALL WE'VE HEARD, ARE WE VERY CONFIDENT HE WILL SETTLE FOR A HUNDRED THOUSAND OR DO WE NEED APPROVAL TO GO TO 120,000 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S A FAIR QUESTION.

UM, YOU KNOW, MY JOB AS A DEFENSE ATTORNEY, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SOME ARGUMENTS HERE ON TODD AND BRAD.

THEY, UM, GO AHEAD WITH THE TRIAL.

PLAINTIFF ATTORNEY DON'T MAKE CASES.

SO HE DIDN'T WANNA SPEND FOUR HOURS TRYING THIS CASE GOING THROUGH A DEAL PROCESS, WHICH JUST TAKE A YEAR AND A HALF.

SO I,

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SO I THINK I'M CONFIDENT WE CAN GET DONE FOR HOPING GET DONE FOR HUNDRED GRAND.

OTHERWISE, WE'RE READY.

I HAVE A PRETTY GOOD REPUTATION WITH .

I, I DO.

WE THANK YOU.

WOULD WE HEAR BACK ON THIS? WILL YOU LET US KNOW, DAN IF, UH, ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, THE OUTCOME OF YOUR SETTLEMENT NEGOTIATIONS? ABSOLUTELY, ABSOLUTELY.

WE HAVE NOT COPIED IN ON MY LAST CORRESPONDENCE, SO THAT WILL BE, YEP.

I WILL KEEP EVERYBODY.

TODD, BRAD.

UM, FAIR ENOUGH.

DO WE HAVE AN IDEA WHAT THE TIMEFRAME WILL BE? UM, I'M HOPING GETTING, HE'S GOT A $204,000 IN THAT, HOPING TO GET IT WRAPPED UP IN THE NEXT, UM, FOR THAT.

BUT I THINK PROBABLY HALF, UH, LONGEST.

SO, ALRIGHT, DAN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WE'LL DISCONNECT.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

YOU GUYS HAVE A GOOD NIGHT.

BYE-BYE.

UM, IF YOU'RE SO INCLINED, WE'LL GO TO OPEN SESSION.

GONNA BE A MOTION TO PURSUE THE STRATEGY, UH, RECOMMENDED BY THE ATTORNEY.

THAT'S ALL WE HAVE TO SAY.

ALRIGHT.

SO I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO GO BACK TO OPEN SESSION MOTION SUPERVISOR KEL.

SUPERVISOR SHARIN.

UM, AYE.

WE'LL GO BACK IN OPEN SESSION SESSION.

I WILL NOW ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO PROCEED AS, UH, ADVISED BY OUR LAWYER.

I WILL, UH, MOVE THAT WE PURSUE THE STRATEGY AS EXPRESSED BY, UH, COUNSEL.

AND I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION.

WE HAVE A MOTION BY SUPERVISOR SCHWAB, SECOND BY SUPERVISOR KEL.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

THIS MEETING'S ADJOURNED.

ANY OPPOSED? OKAY, THANK YOU.

THAT CONCLUDES OUR BUSINESS TODAY.

OUR NEXT MEETING DATE IS APRIL 16TH, 2025.

THANK YOU GENTLEMEN.

I DID SAVE LITTLE SCOTT.

I JUST LOVE IT.

THAT GUYS ALL THE SAME? YEAH, THEY'RE ALL JUST THE SAME.

SO I THOUGHT I SENT HIM AN EMAIL.

I KNOW THAT I'VE SEEN IT DONE MANY TIMES BEFORE, ESPECIALLY 'CAUSE THEY'RE ALL EXACTLY LEGAL THE SAME OUT.

I'M VERY LEERY ON THAT.

BUT YOU ASKED HIM FOR WHAT DO WE HAVE TO DO? YEP.

I IF YOU LIKE FLYING FRONTIER OR I DO NOT SOUTHWEST.

I DO NOT EITHER.

YOU KNOW WHAT I, YOU KNOW WHAT I LIKE NO FRILL.

I LIKE DELTA.

I JUST, I DON'T CARE WHAT I'M PAYING.

IF I'M TRAVELING, I KNOW I'M PAYING ANYWAY.

JUST TAKE MY BAG.

TAKE MY CRAP.

I'M NOT WAITING IN ANY DAMN LINE.

SOUTHWEST.

I LIKE THEIR INFORMAL REPORTING PROCESS.

I DON'T MIND THAT, BUT I DON'T LIKE IS THE, I ALWAYS END UP LIKE THIS BETWEEN TWO 400 POUNDERS IN THE EXIT ROW.

'CAUSE I'M BIG ENOUGH TO OPEN UP THE DOOR AND HELP PEOPLE OUT WHILE I DIE.

, YOU KNOW, SIT IN THE EXIT ROW.

IT JUST ALWAYS WORKS OUT IT SEEMS, YOU KNOW, OR I'M SITTING LIKE I SAID, NEXT TO TWO JUMBOS AND I'M SITTING FOR EIGHT HOURS LIKE THIS, YOU KNOW, .

IT'S JUST NOT MY BAG.

OH, I SHOULDN'T BE TOO.

AH, LOVELY.

OH, GET INTO IT MAN.

HUH? I THOUGHT PRETTY HERE TILL SIX 30.

THAT'S, I I MEAN I HONESTLY WENT THROUGH PRETTY MUCH THE WHOLE DAMN THING.

REALLY? I DIDN'T THINK IT WOULD BE, WELL IF WE'D GONE DISCUSSION ON THE CLINIC, THAT POTENTIAL TO TAKE ALONG AND IF WE'D HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION ON THE INDIVIDUAL CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS TOO.

YEAH,

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ME TOO.

AND I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING WHEN THEY WERE AT COMMITTEES.

THE ONLY QUESTION THAT I HAD WAS JUST ABOUT THE ROOF THING.

'CAUSE I THOUGHT IT WAS METAL, YOU KNOW? AND I, SO THAT WAS THE ONLY THING THAT REALLY TOP OF MIND.

THE REST IS PRETTY BOILERS, CHILLERS.

THOSE ARE, YOU KNOW, GOTTA REPLACE THAT 20 TO 25 YEARS OLD.

SO THAT'S THE NATURAL LIFESTYLE.

WE ALWAYS LIKE MOVE AROUND WINDOWS.

I THINK IT MAKES, IT JUST MAKES SENSE.

STAND STRAIGHT.

THE PLACEHOLDERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT I WOULDN'T HAVE UNDERSTOOD THE CONCEPT.

WELL NOW I GET IT.

I DO.

LEMME GO JOIN THE REPUBLICANS PARTS IN POLITICS.

I THOUGHT ABOUT IT, BUT IT'S BEEN IT FOR ME AS WELL.

I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY I, I WORKED, WENT TO THE AGRICULTURE AND THEN THIS AND THEN THAT.

YOU KNOW, YOU SHOWED LATE.

WELL THAT WAS BECAUSE I WASN WORKING , YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, I HAD THIS THING I LIKE TO EAT.

I DID IT YESTERDAY.

I'M GONNA DO IT AGAIN TODAY AND I'M HOPING FOR TOMORROW AS WELL.

AND THAT'S WHERE THAT JOB COMES.

I'M FINE.

THE KOB HEAD UPSTAIRS WANNA HANG OUT HERE, HANG OUT HERE.

UM, WE DON'T, JOSH SAID I WANT, YOU CAN THINK ABOUT IT.

WELL, IT'S OKAY WITH ME, BUT YOU DON'T WANT, THERE'S GONNA BE ABOUT IT.

WELL, SO, BUT I HAVE NOT KIND OF SHOT DOWN ZOOMING.

OTHER PEOPLE AREN'T GONNA SPEAK UP.

SPEAK THEIR MINDS.

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ME TOO.

I, IF I'M EVEN GOING TOWN OF WAYNE NOW.

OH, TOWN BOARD.

WELL, YEAH, I WAS GONNA GO TO THE TOWN OF WAYNE 'CAUSE I HAVEN'T BEEN THERE IN A LITTLE WHILE NOW, JUST TO, BECAUSE THERE'S OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, CARL CLEM PASSED AWAY, RIGHT? SO BOB S SCH IS I THINK ACTING CHAIR RIGHT NOW.

I THINK SOMEBODY'S CHALLENGING HIM.

SO WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF I, I WAS GONNA GO TONIGHT, BUT NOW I'M THINKING, WELL MAYBE I SHOULD WAIT TILL AFTER THE ELECTION.

AND WHEN THE NEW BOARD, WHOEVER ENDS UP BEING THE CHAIR, THEN I LIKE TO GO AND SAY, HEY, WE'RE SHARING SERVICES.

I WANT TO KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, CAN I HELP YOU ANY WAY? WHOEVER WINS CHAIR, THE OTHER ONE'S STILL GONNA BE A SUPERVISOR.

THERE'S STILL ONES.

THEY'RE STILL GONNA BE THERE.

SO, UM, ACTUALLY AT THE AG MISSIONING SESSION TODAY, I HAD A, JOHN RIGU WAS AT MY TABLE.

WE TALKED AND HE THE FARMER IN WAYNE.

OH, OKAY.

WE TALKED ABOUT ALL KINDS OF STUFF.

YOU SAID DAIRY IN THE EIGHTIES, THERE WERE LIKE 12 FARMS BETWEEN HIGHWAY 45 AND 41.

THAT HAD COW.

NOW THERE'S ONE LEFT.

OH YEAH, DAIRY.

IT WAS THE SECOND LAST ONE.

THE DAIRY'S NOW HAS BECOME A CORPORATION.

IF YOU'RE NOT BIG, GO HOME OR BE A HOBBY.

AND THAT'S A HECK DELIVERY HOBBY.

SO YOU KNOW WHAT, I'VE BEEN AT A COUPLE OF THESE TOWN WAYNE MEETINGS AND I TELL YOU WHAT, IN OUR COUNTY, I THINK THAT'S GOTTA BE THE MOST CONSERVATIVE.

THEY HATE GOVERNMENT UP THERE.

ALL THE FARMERS.

HELL F*****G WASTING OUR G*****N MONEY.

YOU KNOW, WHEN WE, WHEN I WAS THERE FOR THE, UH, WHAT WAS THAT FARM PROGRAM THAT WE HAD THAT IF THEY JOINED? OH YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.

OH MY GOD.

THERE WAS SOME GUYS THAT FARM LAND LAND PRESERVATION.

YEAH, I KNOW.

THEY, SO IF WE DO IT, WE CAN'T DO THIS.

CAN'T DO THAT.

GOD.

YEAH, THEY'RE GIVING UP THEIR DEVELOPMENT.

THAT'S, I MEAN THAT'S CONTROL THEIR PROPERTY.

IT IT IS.

AND, AND THERE WAS A LOT OF 'EM THAT JUST WALKED OUT AND .

IN FACT, UH, WHAT WAS THAT GAL'S NAME? THEY WEREN'T THE ONLY TOWNSHIP.

OH, I'M SURE.

BUT THEY, THEY WERE, THEY'RE BRUTAL UP THERE, YOU KNOW, AND, AND NOW HAVING THIS, SO THE LAST TIME I WAS THERE TOO, THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT DOING ALL THE BRIDGES AND, AND THEIR BUDGET IS SOLD, YOU KNOW, HALF THEIR BUDGET WAS FIRE.

THAT WAS PART OF THEIR UPROAR IN GOING DIFFERENT TOWN.

CHAIRMAN.

THEY HADN'T LOOKED AHEAD AND ANTICIPATED YEAH.

EXPENSES.

BUT TALKED TO SCOTT, NONE OF THE TOWNSHIPS WERE INSPECTED.

S YOU KNOW, THE RULES CHANGING.

WELL, AND I MEAN, I GUESS THAT'S WHERE I WANT TO EXTEND THE, THERE'S ANYTHING, I KNOW THE COUNTY'S ALREADY WORKING WITH YOU ON STUFF.

IS THERE ANYTHING, I MEAN, I KNOW YOUR BUDGET'S TIGHT.

I KNOW YOUR PEOPLE ARE P****D.

YOU GOT NOTHING BUT RULES.

IT'S ALL FARM, YOU KNOW, SO THEY, WELL EVEN, I MEAN, TOWN OF WEST BEND, PROBABLY THE RICHEST IN MY AREA.

YOU KNOW, TOWN OF ADDISON HAD THE SAME FARM.

DO YOU THINK I WAS WITH THE TOWN OF WEST BEND LAST NIGHT.

, I, YOU RIGHT, I KNOW.

DELIGHTFUL EXPERIENCE.

ALL THE HAMANS.

THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY AROUND THAT, THOSE LAKES.

BUT, BUT, UH, SO THEIR BUDGETS ARE PROBABLY THE EASIEST, YOU KNOW, TO, TO GET BY.

BUT YEAH, ADDISON, AND THEY'RE ALWAYS STRUGGLING.

SO JOSH SAID HE TOLD THE ON GUARD VISION, YOU KNOW, AND WEST BEND'S GONNA STRETCH ALL THE WAY TO 41 AND, AND 20 YEARS.

I'M LIKE, YOU'RE GONNA ALL THOSE LAKE PROPERTIES.

OH, THAT WOULD BE FUN.

I GUESS I'LL BE MOVING THERE.

SHE WON'T BE GETTING ELECTED.

THE CHEAP DOG TURN.

PICK A RUBBER.

NO, NO, BUT I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S THE PROBLEM THEY'RE HAVING.

THEY'RE BUDGET AND THEN THEY DECIDED THEY WANTED TO TAKE CARE OF TWO BRIDGES THAT ABSOLUTELY HAD TO.

BUT IN ORDER TO DO THAT, THEY HAVE TO TAKE OUT A LOAN.

AND WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU TAKE OUT A LOAN? YOU GOTTA RAISE THE TAXES TO COVER THAT THEN.

YEP.

AND THEN, AND THAT WAS THEIR OLD, EVERYBODY GETS MAD.

OH MY GOD.

BECAUSE THEIR TAXES BIG DOUBLE.

AND THAT'S WHY, THAT'S WHY THERE'S A BIG SHUFFLE.

THEY GET A NEW BOARD MEMBER.

'CAUSE THOSE GUYS DON'T KNOW HOW I, AND I'M LIKE, IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT IT HAPPENS THAT WAY, BUT THAT'S THE WAY THESE SMALL TOWNSHIP BUDGETS ARE.

THEY'RE SO TIGHT THAT IF THEY GOT A MAJOR ARY CARE, IT'S LIKE, HOLY S**T.

WELL, SO WAIT.

WELL GENTLEMEN, THANKS FOR YOUR COOPERATION.

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