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ORDER WITH FOUR MEMBERS IN ATTENDANCE AND SUPERVISOR KRIEGER GUNDRY, ATTENDING REMOTELY.THIS MEETING HAS BEEN APPROPRIATELY POSTED THROUGH THE CLERK'S OFFICE.
WE'LL BE GIVEN A MOMENT OF SILENT PRAYER AND THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE PLEDGE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR RICHARD SAND FOUNDATION.
UNDER INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY AND JUSTICE.
WERE THE ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? WERE THERE ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, OR ANY ITEMS THAT NEEDED ATTENTION? IF NOT, THOSE ITEMS WILL STAND AS PRESENTED UNDER DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTIONS WITH THE COMMITTEE'S INDULGENCE.
SO WE WOULD ASK THAT ITEM THREE J BE MOVED TO THE BEGINNING, UM, SO THAT OUR CHIEF OF PUBLIC WORKS CAN GET ONTO OTHER BUSINESS THIS MORNING.
SO WE'LL BEGIN WITH, THERE IS NO DISAGREEMENT WITH ITEM THREE J, THE RESOLUTION FOR GENERAL FUND TRANSFER REPLACEMENT OF CAST IRON PIPES IN THE JAIL.
AND I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR APPROVAL SUPERVISOR BERG I SECOND, AND SUPERVISOR TOMA.
WE ALSO DO HAVE DIRECTOR OF ADMINISTRATION, MR. AARON DAHL HERE AS WELL TO EXPLAIN ANY FINANCIAL ASPECTS OF THE ISSUE AS WELL AS WE DO HAVE SHERIFF SICE PRESENT IN THE EVENT THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS FOR HIM.
UH, MS. HEIDRICH, UH, PRESENTED A TREMENDOUSLY IN-DEPTH DETAILED REPORT BASED ON THE VIDEO THAT THEY CONDUCTED THIS PAST WEEK.
SO IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS, WE DO HAVE THE PROFESSIONALS HERE TO ANSWER THOSE.
AND THE INFORMATION IN THE PACKET WAS, UM, EXTENSIVE IN MY MIND, OR, OR COMPLETE.
AND, UH, IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT I THINK WE KNOW WE NEED TO DO.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE COMMITTEE? I PLEASE.
IS THAT GOING TO TAKE CARE OF ALL OF IT OR IS THIS ONLY A PARTIAL? I'LL TAKE CARE.
UH, IT'LL TAKE CARE OF ALL OF THE WAISTLINES.
UM, THERE'S A SUPPLY LINE THAT IS NOT CORRODED AT ALL.
UM, AND THAT'S JUST THE UNDERGROUND PORTION.
WE DO HAVE CAST IRON IN THROUGHOUT THE JAIL THAT WE'VE BEEN REPLACING, UM, AD HOC FOR YEARS.
UH, SO WE'RE GONNA, WE, WE ANTICIPATE THAT WE'RE GONNA STILL HAVE SOME PIECES, BUT THIS IS THE, UH, SECTION THAT'S DISRUPTIVE TO OPERATIONS.
UM, THE OTHER ONES JUST, THEY CAUSE LEAKS.
WE FIX 'EM, AND THEN WE, AND THEN THEY'RE DONE.
SO, SO THESE THAT ARE BEING REPLACED, WHAT ARE THEY BEING REPLACED WITH? UH, P-V-C-P-V-C.
IS THAT, UH, DO THEY HAVE TO GO IN AND TEAR EVERYTHING OUT, OR CAN THEY LINE THESE PIPES? UH, THEY, IN THIS SITUATION, THEY HAVE TO GO IN AND TEAR EVERYTHING OUT.
AND IF WE, IF WE WERE TO GO AND TRY TO LINE THEM, WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA BREAK 'EM AND THEN CAUSE AN EMERGENCY, UH, SITUATION.
SO WE NEED TO GO IN AND REPLACE THEM.
UM, WE, WE DID A, A SECTION OF IT ON AN EMERGENCY BASIS, UM, IN JANUARY.
AND, UM, AND WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH IS SIX OR EIGHT INCHES OF CONCRETE, SIX INCHES OF CONCRETE, AND THEN, UM, AND THEN DIG IN THE DIRT UNDERNEATH, UM, TO GET TO THE PIPES.
UM, AND, UH, SO WE'D LIKE TO NOT DO THIS ON AN EMERGENCY BASIS.
THIS PARTICULAR SECTION IS, UH, IS THE MAIN, EVERYTHING FLOWS TO ONE PART, THE, THE PART THAT'S THE WORST.
AND, UM, IF THAT WERE TO BREAK UNEXPECTEDLY, THE WHOLE KITCHEN WOULD BE DOWN IMMEDIATELY.
SO, UM, SO ALLOWING US TO DO THIS NOW GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY TO BRING IN SOME TEMPORARY KITCHEN OPERATIONS, UM, AND GET THIS DONE DURING DAYTIME HOURS, WHICH WILL BE LESS, IT'LL BE MORE COST EFFECTIVE FOR US.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, SAY AYE.
ITEM THREE A ON YOU AGENDA, THEN THE INTRODUCTION OF DUSTIN LOPEY, EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT COORDINATOR.
UH, WE DO HAVE MR. DUSTIN LOFE HERE PRESENT TODAY.
UH, HE WAS ONBOARDED ON MARCH 31ST WITH THE, UH, PENDING RETIREMENT OF ROB SCHMIDT ON APRIL 2ND.
AFTER 23 YEARS OF DEDICATED SERVICE TO WASHINGTON COUNTY, UH, MR. LOFE STARTED, UH, IN WASHINGTON COUNTY WITH RICHFIELD FIRE, MADE HIS WAY AROUND SOUTHEASTERN WISCONSIN AND FOUND HOME.
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WE'RE HAPPY TO HAVE HIM.I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH EVERYBODY.
UM, AS DAVE SAID, I STARTED HERE AT, AT RICHFIELD BACK IN 2003 AS A VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTER.
UM, EVENTUALLY WORKED ACTUALLY HERE AT WASHINGTON COUNTY AS A 9 1 1 DISPATCHER FOR MANY YEARS.
UM, WORKED IN THE FIRE SERVICE FOR QUITE SOME TIME, FULL TIME, AND THEN MOST RECENTLY WAS WORKING AS AN EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT COORDINATOR WITH AURORA HEALTHCARE.
SO AGAIN, LOOKING FORWARD TO EVERYBODY.
AND, UH, BEST WISHES AS YOU BEGIN YOUR CAREER HERE.
ITEM THREE B, THE MEDICAL EXAMINER REPORT.
GOOD MORNING AND WELCOME MEDICAL EXAMINER.
JUST, I'M THE ONLY ONE ON CALL CALL TODAY, SO I, THAT IS
UM, SO I DID SEND YOU GUYS OUR 2024, UM, ANNUAL REPORT, WHICH I DON'T THINK OUR OFFICE HAS PUT OUT AN ANNUAL REPORT IN SOME TIME.
UM, SO IT'S MAYBE NOT THE PRETTIEST, BUT I PUT IT TOGETHER.
UM, JUST SUMMARY OF KIND OF WHAT WE DID LAST YEAR AND SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS FOR THE OFFICE.
SO, UM, I WILL JUST KIND OF DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO A FEW THINGS THAT I AM PARTICULARLY PROUD OF.
UM, WE HAVE REALLY PUSHED FOR, UM, MEDICATION DONATION, UH, IN THE COMMUNITY.
SO WE, WE DO COLLECT MEDICATIONS AT ALL THE SCENES THAT WE RESPOND TO, ANY THAT ARE UNOPENED AND OR UNUSED PREVIOUSLY HAD JUST BEEN DISPOSED OF.
UM, AND SO THERE WAS A CLINIC IN WEST BEND THAT WAS ACCEPTING SOME OF OUR DONATIONS.
THINGS KIND OF CHANGED A LITTLE BIT THERE.
SO WE FOUND ANOTHER COMMUNITY, ANOTHER FREE CLINIC.
IT'S ACTUALLY IN OCONOMOWOC, SO NOT WASHINGTON COUNTY, BUT, UM, THEY'VE BEEN TAKING A LOT OF OUR UNOPEN AND UNUSED PRESCRIPTIONS AS WELL AS LIKE DIABETIC SUPPLIES AND INSULIN AND THINGS LIKE THAT, AND REDISTRIBUTING IT OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT MOST PEOPLE PROBABLY WOULDN'T EXPECT TO COME OUTTA THE MEDICAL EXAMINER'S OFFICE, BUT SOMETHING THAT I THINK IS REALLY COOL THAT WE CONTINUE TO DO.
UM, AND THEN WE PARTICIPATED IN QUITE A FEW, LIKE, COMMUNITY EVENTS LAST YEAR, WHICH I THINK WAS REALLY AWESOME.
AND WE DID BRING ON, UM, BRING IN A COUPLE OF STUDENTS FOR JUST, UM, JOB SHADOWING AND THINGS LIKE THAT, WHICH HAS BEEN REALLY FUN.
SO, UM, AS FAR AS STATISTICS GO, I WILL, OUR TOTAL CASES REPORTED LAST YEAR DID NOT VARY MUCH FROM YEARS PRIOR.
UM, BUT I WOULD BRING YOU JUST KIND OF TWO, TWO AREAS HERE.
SO ON PAGE 11 AND 12 WHERE WE GET INTO OUR DRUG RELATED DEATHS, YOU'LL SEE THAT THAT, UH, DRUG RELATED STATISTICS HAVE BEEN DECLINING, UM, OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS, WHICH IS REALLY A GREAT THING TO SEE.
UM, HOWEVER, ON THE OTHER END OF THINGS, UM, IF YOU GO DOWN TO PAGE FOUR 14, UM, YOU WILL SEE THAT OUR SUICIDE, UH, IS TRENDING UP OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS.
IN FACT, LAST YEAR WAS UNFORTUNATELY A RECORD HIGH YEAR.
UM, WE HAD NOT HAD NUMBERS LIKE THAT SINCE BACK IN 2016.
SO, UM, JUST SOMETHING THAT I'M LOOKING AT AND, AND THINKING ABOUT WAYS THAT WE CAN KIND OF WORK TOWARDS, UM, SEEING HOW WE CAN INTRODUCE A LITTLE BIT MORE PREVENTION, UM, INTO THE COMMUNITY.
SO SOMETHING YOU'LL PROBABLY HEAR ME TALK ABOUT, UM, IN THE FUTURE, AND THEN JUST GETTING INTO 2025 BRIEF UPDATES FOR THE OFFICE SO FAR.
UM, WE, WE ARE REORGANIZING OUR STAFFING JUST A TINY BIT.
WE LOST A FULL-TIMER, UM, IN APRIL, AND I HAVE DECIDED TO REPLACE THAT FULL-TIME POSITION WITH TWO PART-TIMERS INSTEAD.
UM, ONE WAS ALREADY A LIMITED STAFF MEMBER OF OURS.
AND, UM, THE OTHER ONE IS AN INTERN THAT WE'VE HAD WITH US THIS SPRING THAT WILL BE GRADUATING IN MAY, AND THEN SHE'LL BE COMING ON PART-TIME.
I THINK IT'S GONNA GIVE US A LOT MORE FLEXIBILITY, LESS ON CALL TIME, LESS CHANCE FOR BURNOUT FOR MY STAFF.
SO I THINK THAT'LL BE REALLY GOOD.
UM, SPEAKING OF THE SPRING INTERN, WE'VE HAD AN INTERN, WHICH AGAIN, I DON'T THINK OUR OFFICE HAS HAD AN INTERN IN SOME TIME.
IT'S BEEN REALLY FUN TO HAVE HER IN THE OFFICE.
SHE WENT TO SCHOOL WHERE I WENT TO.
SHE'S IN THE SAME PROGRAM THAT I WENT TO.
AND, UM, FUNNY ENOUGH, I DID LIKE A PSEUDO INTERNSHIP IN WASHINGTON COUNTY WHEN KELLY MCANDREWS WAS THE MEDICAL EXAMINER YEARS AGO.
SO IT'S BEEN REALLY FUN TO LIKE, HAVE A FULL CIRCLE MOMENT AND HAVE MY OWN INTERN.
SO
UM, WE'VE DONE 24 AUTOPSIES SO FAR THIS YEAR.
WE'RE SLIGHTLY AHEAD OF WHERE WE WERE LAST YEAR FOR CASELOAD.
UM, AND THEN JUST AN UPDATE ON THE MEDICAL EXAMINER TRANSITION.
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VERY WELL SO FAR FROM THE STANDPOINT OF DEATH CERTIFICATION, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT WAS A PRIORITY OF MINE WHEN WE MADE THAT CHANGE.WE ONLY HAVE FIVE OF OUR 24 AUTOPSY CASES STILL PENDING.
ALL OF OUR EXTERNAL EXAMS ARE SIGNED OUT AND, UM, DC TURNAROUND HAS IMPROVED FROM ABOUT 23 DAYS TO ABOUT TWO WEEKS.
SO WE'RE TURNING THOSE DEATH CERTIFICATES AROUND MUCH QUICKER, WHICH IS, WHICH IS REALLY GOOD FOR FAMILIES AND, UM, AND THE OFFICE AS A WHOLE.
SO, ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THOSE ITEMS? ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMITTEE? I, UH, I APPRECIATE YOUR REPORT.
NICE AND COLORFUL AND BRIGHT AND
SO THAT WOULD, THAT WAS GOOD, GOOD
UM, WITH REGARD TO THE, UH, RECOVERING AND REDISTRIBUTING, REDISTRIBUTING, EXCUSE ME, UH, PRESCRIPTION MEDS, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT, UH, JUST MAKES SENSE AND THAT'S ONE OF THE HALLMARKS OF WASHINGTON COUNTY IS THAT WE DO THINGS THAT JUST MAKE SENSE.
IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S USABLE, IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S VALUABLE THAT SOMEONE ELSE CAN USE, EVEN IF WE CAN'T, UM, YEAH.
THERE'S NO SENSE THROWING IT AWAY.
FIND SOMEBODY THAT CAN USE IT.
SO, SO THANK YOU FOR THE YEAH.
DEMONSTRATING THE THRIFT IN THAT AREA.
SO I'M HERE TO JUST SORT OF TEST THE WATERS AND SEE HOW WE FEEL ABOUT THE THOUGHT OF, UH, POTENTIALLY INTRODUCING A THERAPY DOG INTO THE MEDICAL EXAMINER'S OFFICE.
UM, AS YOU'VE SEEN THE STATISTICS AND THE CASELOAD AND THIS, THE SORT OF DEATHS THAT OUR, THAT OUR STAFF ARE DEALING WITH, UM, THEIR MENTAL HEALTH IS OBVIOUSLY A PRIORITY OF MINE.
UM, AND SO WE HAVE TOSSED AROUND THE IDEA OF PERHAPS INTRODUCING A THERAPY DOG INTO THE MEDICAL EXAMINER'S OFFICE.
UM, THIS WOULD BE A SHARED RESOURCE FOR THE COUNTY, ALTHOUGH THE DOG WOULD, WE WOULD BE THE PRIMARY, LIKE HANDLERS AND OWNERS OF THE DOG.
WE WOULD DEFINITELY SHARE IT WITH OTHER, UM, COUNTY DEPARTMENTS.
UM, THERAPY DOGS ARE BECOMING MUCH MORE POPULAR, I WOULD SAY, IN THE MENTAL HEALTH WORLD AND IN IN PUBLIC SAFETY IN PARTICULAR.
YOU CAN SEE THEM IN LOTS OF POLICE STATIONS, FIRE STATIONS, UM, THEY'RE BEING INTRODUCED INTO SCHOOLS, NURSING HOMES, HOSPITALS, I MEAN, ALL OVER THE PLACE.
AND THE REASON IS, I MEAN, THERE IS, UM, SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE THAT DOGS WILL REDUCE STRESS AND ANXIETY.
I MEAN, I CAN'T THINK OF ANYTHING BETTER THAN COMING BACK FROM A HARD CALL AND GETTING SOME PUPPY CU PUPPY CUDDLES AT THE OFFICE.
UM, IT CAN SUPPORT EMPLOYEE RETENTION, JOB SATISFACTION.
AND I THINK IF WE USE IT IN A COLLABORATIVE WAY WITHIN THE COUNTY, YOU'RE, YOU'RE GONNA ENHANCE SOME OF YOUR PARTNERSHIPS WITHIN THE COUNTY DEPARTMENTS AS WELL BY KIND OF BUILDING THAT GAP, BUILDING THAT BRIDGE, YOU KNOW, INTRODUCING A DOG AND KIND OF BUILDING THOSE RELATIONSHIPS, I THINK WOULD BE REALLY AWESOME.
UM, WE'VE TALKED TO DISPATCH, WE'VE TALKED TO PEOPLE IN THE COURT SYSTEM, HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES.
I MEAN, I'D LOVE TO HAVE IT WITH US WHEN WE DO KIND OF OUR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT EVENTS.
I THINK IT COULD BE A GREAT RESOURCE EVEN FOR OUR LOCAL FUNERAL HOMES WHO OFTEN DON'T REALLY GET THAT KIND OF RECOGNITION THAT THEY DESERVE.
THEY DEAL WITH THE SAME, YOU KNOW, THE SAME STUFF THAT WE DO ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS.
SO, UM, AGAIN, IN THE VERY EARLY STAGES OF JUST KIND OF DISCUSSING THIS, SEEING WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS MIGHT BE ON THIS, WE DID EXPLORE A COUPLE OPTIONS ON HOW TO OBTAIN A THERAPY DOG FOR THE COUNTY, UM, WHICH I DID DETAIL IN THE REPORT.
SO I GUESS, UM, I WOULD SORT OF JUST OPEN IT UP TO QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION, SEE WHAT YOU GUYS THINK.
ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE COMMITTEE? I HAVE A QUESTION.
UM, UH, I GUESS I START WITH ONGOING FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY OR JUST LIABILITY OF THE COUNTY ALTOGETHER.
YOU KNOW, WHERE IS, WHERE WOULD THIS DOG BE KEPT? WHO'S ONE HANDLER? MULTIPLE.
AND I THINK A LOT OF THAT WOULD STILL PROBABLY HAVE TO BE FLUSHED OUT ONCE WE DECIDE TO KIND OF PURSUE IT OFFICIALLY.
BUT I, I THINK THE DECISION, THE, THE CONVERSATION RIGHT NOW IS THAT I WOULD BE THE PRIMARY HANDLER, UM, RANDY IN MY OFFICE.
MY OTHER FULL-TIMER WOULD BE THE SECONDARY HANDLERS.
SO WE WOULD BE THE PRIMARY CARETAKERS OF THE DOG.
THE DOG WOULD SPEND MOST OF ITS TIME IN OUR OFFICE.
BUT LIKE I SAID, WE WOULD, WE WOULD LOAN IT OUT TO DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS AS THEY WOULD WISH TO HAVE IT.
UM, WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, POLICIES AND PROCEDURES AROUND THAT AND TALK TO, UM, THE COUNTY ATTORNEY ABOUT, AND THE CLERK ABOUT INSURANCE OR WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE.
AT THIS POINT, I DON'T THINK WE WOULD, BESIDES COMMUNITY OFFENSE, WE'RE NOT GONNA TAKE IT TO SCENES OR BE, OR, OR BE BRINGING IT TO LIKE HIGH STRESS ENVIRONMENTS LIKE THAT NECESSARILY.
UM, AND THEN DEPENDING ON THE ROUTE THAT WE WOULD GO TO, TO, TO OBTAIN THE DOG, THERE IS A FOUNDATION THAT DONATES, UM, STATION DOGS FREE TO FIRST RESPONDERS.
SO THE INITIAL TRAINING, UM, WOULD BE COVERED AND THE, THE DELIVERY AND TRAINING WOULD BE COVERED.
AND THEN OUR ONGOING COSTS WOULD JUST BE LIKE FOOD AND, AND VET BILLS.
UM, WHICH I WOULD ESTIMATE MAYBE TO BE IN THE ONE TO $2,000 CATEGORY, DEPENDING ON WHERE WE WOULD GO FOR VET CARE.
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I THINK THE SHERIFF JUST USES THE VETERINARIAN NEXT DOOR, SO WE WOULD PROBABLY UTILIZE THE SAME LOCATION AS I THINK THEY GIVE US PRETTY GOOD, GOOD PRICING.SO DO YOU MIND IF I CUT IN SUPERVISOR NEWMAN? SURE, GO AHEAD.
UM, THERE, THERE OBVIOUSLY ARE A LOT OF DETAILS THAT WE GET THAT WE WOULD NEED TO SORT OUT AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE ASKING THE RIGHT QUESTIONS, I GUESS.
I THINK IT'S AT THIS POINT THOUGH, THE REAL QUESTION THAT THE MEDICAL EXAMINER IS LOOKING AT IS, IS THERE OPPOSITION TO THE CONCEPT? UM, AND, AND YES, WE WILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH AND THERE WILL ALWAYS BE THE QUESTIONS, OH, IS THAT THE BEST USE OF TAXPAYER MONEY? AND, AND, AND ALL THOSE THINGS WILL HAVE TO BE DEALT WITH.
UM, BUT AT THIS POINT, PROVIDED THAT ALL THOSE THINGS CAN BE ANSWERED CORRECTLY AND APPROPRIATELY FOR, FOR THE COUNTY, IS THERE ANY OPPOSITION FROM THIS PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE TO, TO MOVING FORWARD OR AT LEAST ALLOWING THE MEDICAL EXAMINER TO EXPLORE THE CONCEPT FURTHER? YEAH.
THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
I KNEW WE WEREN'T GONNA GET THESE OTHER ANSWERS TODAY.
I I, IF YOU, IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR AN OPINION FROM, FROM US HERE AND MYSELF, I WILL SAY THAT NOT NECESSARILY OPPOSED TO THE IDEA, BUT I'M NOT NECESSARILY SOLD THAT THE MEDICAL EXAMINER'S OFFICE IS THE RIGHT PLACE FOR IT.
NO, NO OFFENSE THE DEPARTMENT.
IT'S JUST, I THINK IF I WAS, IN MY OPINION TO SEE SOMETHING LIKE THIS, I THINK MAYBE HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES OR WOULD GET MORE USE OUT OF IT.
WELL, AND I WOULD SAY TOO, I THINK MY PURPOSE IS MORE LIKE INTERNAL USE, RIGHT? FOR STAFF, UM, FOR OUR EMPLOYEES.
SO THAT, THAT WOULD KIND OF BE MY THOUGHT ABOUT IT.
UM, THERE ARE MEDICAL EXAMINERS OFFICES IN THE COUNTRY THAT HAVE THERAPY DOGS AND HAVE HAD VERY GOOD OUTCOMES WITH THEM.
SO THAT WAS GONNA BE MY FOLLOW UP QUESTION IS, IS THIS COMMON? I WOULDN'T SAY IT'S COMMON, BUT IT IS.
THERE ARE A FEW OFFICES AROUND, AND I THINK FOR THE MOST PART THAT'S JUST BECAUSE THE MEDICAL EXAMINER'S OFFICES GENERALLY NOT CONSIDERED LIKE A FIRST RESPONDER
UM, AND SO THERE IS SORT OF THAT, UM, THERE'S LIMITED, I DON'T WANNA SAY LIKE LIMITED SUPPORT, BUT WE DON'T ALWAYS GET KIND OF THAT SAME BENEFIT THAT SOME OF THE OTHER FIRST RESPONDERS DO.
BUT IT IS TALKED ABOUT MORE, THEY'RE DOING MORE STUDIES ABOUT PTSD AND, AND BURNOUT IN THIS FIELD.
UM, AND SO THERE ARE, THERE ARE, THERE ARE ONLY A HANDFUL.
I I ONLY TALKED TO ONE OFFICE THAT HAS ONE AND THEY SAID THEY'VE HAD VERY GOOD SUCCESS WITH IT.
BUT YEAH, IT'S NOT, UM, IT'S NOT A REAL LIKE RAVING POPULAR THING AT THIS MOMENT.
UH, WE RECENTLY DID A RESCUE A YEAR AGO AND SOMETIMES THERE'S A LOT OF STRESS THERE, BUT I COULDN'T IMAGINE WALKING INTO A FUNERAL HOME AND SEEING THE DOG THERE
AND, UH, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THEY, THEY MAKE EXCELLENT, UH, YEAH, DOGS.
AND, UH, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, GERMANTOWN POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS THE ONE.
IT'S GONNA BE ARCHIE, WHICH IS GONNA BE IN SERVICE FOR A YEAR NOW.
AND, UM, YOU HEAR JUST FANTASTIC THINGS ABOUT HIM.
SO I WOULD, UH, I WOULD THINK CONTINUE WITH IT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ALRIGHT, VERY GOOD.
MOVING ON TO ITEM 3D ON THE AGENDA, DISTRICT ATTORNEY, UH, FUNDING.
BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR HERE IS THERE IS FUNDING GOING FORWARD, BUT THERE IS A GAP OF $13,020 AND 88 CENTS.
SO WE WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO MOVE THAT THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE REQUEST FINANCE DIRECTOR TO RECOMMEND A MEANS FOR FUNDING THE POSITION FOR THE BALANCE OF 2025.
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM TOMA SECOND FROM BERG.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OR ANY, ANY OTHER BACKGROUND INFORMATION THAT WE NEED ON THIS ITEM? LOOKS LIKE WE CAN MOVE FORWARD.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, SAY AYE.
ITEM THREE E REVIEW OF ACTIVE SHOOTER TRAINING.
UH, GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN.
I JUST WANTED TO UPDATE EVERYONE.
UH, I BELIEVE YOU ALL DID RECEIVE AN INVITATION TO THE ACTIVE SHOOTER TRAINING THAT WAS CONDUCTED MARCH 25TH AND MARCH 28TH, COURTESY OF OUR FANTASTIC WASHINGTON COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, UH, SERGEANT RODICH, UH,
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DEPUTY, UH, SEBEL AND SERGEANT HENI.SO THEY HELD THAT THEY HAD EIGHT DIFFERENT SESSIONS.
WE JUST DID IT IN PARTICULAR TO THE JUSTICE CENTER.
'CAUSE WE WANTED IT TO BE GERMANE TO THE AREAS IN WHICH THEY NORMALLY COME TO WORK.
UH, WE HAVE ONE SCHEDULED THIS, UH, SUMMER IN AUGUST FOR THE PAC, BUT, UH, VERY WELL ATTENDED, VERY INFORMATIVE, AND IF YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY, UH, PLEASE TRY TO ATTEND ONE OF THEM.
VERY SOMBER, UH, HEAVY, UH, MATERIAL BUT NECESSARY.
SO IT GIVES EVERYONE THE AWARENESS AND, AND WHAT TO DO IN THE EVENT THAT WE HAVE AN ISSUE.
WE JUST HAD SOMETHING IN TEXAS YESTERDAY FOR AN ACTIVE SHOOTER AT ONE OF THE SCHOOLS.
SO IT IS NOT UNCOMMON, YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE IT'LL NEVER HAPPEN HERE OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, BUT IT'S REALLY OUR, OUR SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT DID A FANTASTIC JOB, AS THEY ALWAYS DO.
WERE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMITTEE? IF NOT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM.
ITEM THREE F UH, FIRE AND EMS ASSESSMENT STUDY UPDATE.
UH, SO WE HAD THE, UH, CHIEF ELECTED OFFICIALS AND THE WASHINGTON COUNTY CHIEF'S JOINT MEETING MARCH 27TH, WHERE THE FIRE AND ASSESSMENT STUDY WAS REVEALED AS A DRAFT FORM.
UH, YOU, WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU WAS THE FINAL DRAFT AFTER ANY OMISSIONS OR CORRECTIONS WERE MADE TO THAT STUDY FROM MARCH 27TH.
UH, THE EXECUTIVE IS GOING TO SPEAK TO THE COUNTY BOARD AS A WHOLE, EITHER IN MAY OR IN JUNE.
AND TO GIVE SOMEWHAT OF AN OUTLINE AND PERSPECTIVE GOING FORWARD, I KNOW THAT THE WASHINGTON COUNTY CHIEF'S ASSOCIATION, I'LL BE ATTENDING THEIR MEETING TONIGHT AT SIX 30 AS A SUBCOMMITTEE, A STEERING COMMITTEE BASED ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THE, UH, HEALTHCARE STRATEGIST PROVIDED.
SO WE'RE NOT WASTING ANY TIME IN, IN DIGGING IN DEEP AND FINDING SOLUTIONS.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE COMMITTEE? IF NOT, I HAVE A COUPLE.
UM, IS THE WORK OF HEALTHCARE STRATEGISTS COMPLETE OR WILL THEY STILL BE INVOLVED GOING FORWARD? TO SOME EXTENT FROM THE, UH, UH, ANALYSIS STANDPOINT, YES, THEY'RE COMPLETE.
HOWEVER, THEY WILL STAY ON BOARD WITH ANYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IN AN EFFORT TO TRY AND STAND UP THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN PROVIDED.
I'M PERSONALLY DOING, UH, FURTHER ANALYSIS THAT I'LL, I'LL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE YOU, UM, TO, TO DRILL MUCH DEEPER AS FAR AS OUR, OUR RUN VOLUME, OUR INCIDENT TYPES, AND SO ON AND SO FORTH THAT HEALTHCARE STRATEGISTS TOUCHED ON.
BUT THEY ONLY HAD DATA FROM 23 UP TO 2023.
I HAVE 2024 OBVIOUSLY, BECAUSE THE YEAR WASN'T DONE.
SO, UH, BUT I'M DOING A, A MUCH DEEPER DIVE ON THAT AND BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT TO YOU.
SO, UH, IT'S VERY INTERESTING TO ME.
UM, MAYBE NOT TO EVERYBODY, BUT, UM, I KNOW MR. DAHL WOULD LIKE IT 'CAUSE IT'S SPREADSHEET HEAVY.
DATA TELLS STORIES, SO, BUT YES, THEY WILL, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THEY WILL STILL BE ON BOARD.
AND, UH, CHAIRMAN SCHEFF, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO PERSONALLY THANK YOU MR. SEGER, UM, YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH THE MILWAUKEE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND YEARS OF SERVICE, UH, OBVIOUSLY OUR HELPING US A GREAT DEAL AND IN THIS ENDEAVOR, AND I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
I APPRECIATE YOU TOO, SUPERVISOR NEWMAN.
SO I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH A LOT OF THESE MEETINGS THROUGH THIS WHOLE PROCESS WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS AND, AND EVERYTHING.
AND I THINK WHEN WE GOT THE DRAFT, MY PERCEPTION FROM EVERYONE INVOLVED WAS, THERE'S NOTHING SURPRISING HERE.
A LOT, EVERYTHING WE KIND OF KNEW ALREADY, BUT IT WAS IMPORTANT I THINK TO OPEN EVERYONE'S EYES AS A GROUP, YOU KNOW, COLLABORATIVELY AND, AND TRY TO USE THIS TO GET BUY-IN TO MAKE SOME CHANGES, MAYBE SHARED, I'LL SAY SHARED SERVICES AMONGST OUR DEPARTMENTS BECAUSE THEY'RE VERY PROUD OF WHAT THEY DO.
AND WHAT THEY HAVE AND THEIR OPERATIONS.
SOMETIMES THAT COMES INTO PLAY WHEN YOU TRY TO, YOU KNOW, SHARE SERVICES, RIGHT? SO I THINK IT WAS A GOOD, I THINK IT WAS RECEIVED WELL, AT LEAST GOT EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM BETWEEN THE PEOPLE THAT ARE PAYING THE BILLS AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE DOING THE WORK, YOU KNOW, THE EMS. SO I THINK IT WAS A SUCCESS AND I HOPE THAT WE CAN START USING SOME OF THESE
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ATIONS MOVING FORWARD.SO WE MOST CERTAINLY WILL, SUPERVISOR.
JUST TO, JUST TO ANSWER YOUR, UH, TO COMMENT ON WHAT YOU SAID, UH, MOST FIRE AND EMS STUDIES ARE SOMEWHAT OF A CUT AND PASTE.
YOU DON'T ASK FOR A STUDY UNLESS YOU HAVE ISSUES.
HOWEVER, IN FIRE AND EMS SPECIFIC TO YOUR POINT, THERE'S A LOT OF TRADITION, A LOT OF PRIDE.
AND, AND BASICALLY HAVING A STUDY LIKE THIS, EVEN THOUGH IT IS A SOMEWHAT OF A CUT AND PASTE, IT'S A LAUNCHING POINT FOR EVERYONE TO SAY, OH, OKAY, THE COUNTY IS INVESTED IN THIS.
THE COUNTY CHIEFS CAME TO YOU AS THE BOARD AND TO THE EXECUTIVE AND SAYS, WE NEED HELP.
AND SO WHEN YOU HAVE THIS COLLABORATIVE EFFORT PUSHING THE AGENDA, AND YOU INVESTED THE RESOURCES TO LAUNCH A STUDY, THAT'S TYPICALLY THE GENESIS OF MOVING THE NEEDLE ON IMPROVEMENTS, COLLABORATION, SHARED SERVICES.
AND, AND THAT'S TO YOUR POINT, EXACTLY WHAT'S HAPPENING.
SO IT'S REALLY GONNA BE, I'M EXCITED ABOUT IT.
SO IT'S GONNA BE, IT'S GONNA BE REALLY GOOD.
I, I'VE SEEN A MAJOR CHANGE IN THE LAST 15 YEARS IN MY COMMUNITY.
WE HAD TWO VERY PROUD DEPARTMENTS THAT, YOU KNOW, I WOULD SAY I WOULDN'T GO AS FAR AS SAY THEY DIDN'T WANT TO WORK TOGETHER, BUT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS MY DEPARTMENT.
THAT'S MY DEPARTMENT IN THE LAST 15 YEARS, BASED ON ALL THE PROBLEMS AND FUNDING AND PERSONNEL AND VOLUNTEERS, THEY'VE REALLY COME TOGETHER AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE MORE OF A TEAM NOW FOR MY COMMUNITY.
SO THIS, I HOPE IS GONNA HELP WITH THE COUNTYWIDE.
IT, IT'S GONNA BE, IT'S GONNA BE REALLY GOOD.
WE'LL GET THERE, WE'LL GET THERE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? THANK YOU FOR SHEPHERDING THIS THROUGH THE PROCESS AND LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU MORE AS WE GO FORWARD.
ITEM 3G TO REQUEST FROM MUNICIPAL PUBLIC SAFETY RADIO GRANT, THE, UH, PACKET WAS AS ALWAYS FAIRLY COMPLETE.
WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS A MOTION TO APPROVE $38,000.
WE HAVE ONE FROM SUPERVISOR NEWMAN.
WE HAVE SECOND FROM SUPERVISOR TOMA.
ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM? IF THERE ARE NONE? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
ARE THERE ANY OPPOSED? THAT MOTION CARRIES SIMILAR ITEM NEXT FOR THE, UH, VILLAGE OF SLINGER FIRE DEPARTMENT.
THIS, UH, IN THIS ITEM WE ARE LOOKING FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE $31,000 FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY RADIO GRANT MOTION FROM SUPERVISOR NEWMAN WITH A SECOND FROM SUPERVISOR BERG.
ANY COMMENTS ON THIS ONE? IF NOT ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
ARE THERE ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES.
ITEM THREE AYE IS THE USE OF STRATEGIC PRIORITIES FUNDS FOR EQUIPMENT PURCHASES IN EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT.
IN THIS ITEM, WE WOULD LOOK FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, SIX OR RECOMMEND THE APPROVAL OF $6,000 FOR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, UH, EQUIPMENT.
I MAKE A MOTION MOTION FROM SUPERVISOR TOMA WITH A SECOND FROM SUPERVISOR BERG.
AND FOR DISCUSSION, COULD WE HAVE SOME, WHAT, WHAT KIND OF EQUIPMENT ARE WE LOOKING AT? WHAT KIND OF, UH, WHAT DO WE, WHAT ARE WE, WHAT ARE Y ALL LOOKING FOR? WE'RE WE'RE REPLACING, UH, SOME OF THE EQUIPMENT THAT ROB SCHMIDT HAD SO MUCH AS COMPUTER HARDWARE, UH, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
JUST UPDATING WHAT HE HAD IN HIS OFFICE.
UM, I CAN SAY THIS 'CAUSE I'M IN THAT CATEGORY NOW, BUT ROB REALLY LIKED PAPER AND PENCILS AND WRITING THINGS DOWN AND FILING 'EM IN A CABINET AND, YOU KNOW, JUST, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA PUSH IT TO A WHOLE NOTHER LEVEL IN THAT OFFICE, WORKING ALONGSIDE ERIC DAMCO AND HIS TEAM AND GIS AND JUST REALLY MAP THIS OUT IN A VERY COMPREHENSIVE FASHION.
AND WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY IN THE OFFICES CURRENTLY TO PROVIDE THAT OPPORTUNITY.
AS, AS PART OF THAT, WOULD WE, WOULD WE BE LOOKING AT, UH, DIGITIZING EXISTING PAPER DOCUMENTS FOR THE FUTURE? OR IS, ARE WE, UH, I STARTED THAT, I DON'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT YOU.
UH, I STARTED THAT PROCESS WITH, UH, THE IT DEPARTMENT WITH A SHAREPOINT, UH, AND WITH ROB AND IT JUST WAS A LITTLE BIT OVERWHELMING FOR HIM TO TRY AND WRAP HIS HEAD AROUND THAT.
BUT YES, THAT IS, THAT'S IN THE PROCESS.
I KNOW IT HAS IT ALL BUILT OUT AND READY TO UPLOAD ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING.
BUT, UH, GOING FORWARD, I KNOW MR. LOFI IS, HE'S HIT THE GROUND RUNNING PRETTY
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HARD, SO IT WILL ALL BE DIGITIZED AND IT WILL ALL BE ACCESSIBLE WITH THE TECHNOLOGY YOU HAVE INSTEAD OF A PLASTIC BIN IN THE EMERGENCY TRUCK WITH PAPERS IN IT, SO.ANY OTHER, UH, QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE COMMITTEE SUPERVISOR? NEWMAN, A QUESTION, UH, YOU MENTIONED COMPUTER REPLACEMENT.
IS IT, AND MAYBE THIS IS AARON OR SCOTT'S GONE, BUT IS IT TYPICAL FOR THE DEPARTMENT TO HAVE TO BUDGET THEMSELVES FOR THAT TYPE OF EQUIPMENT OR IS IT GENERALLY THROUGH OUR, IT GENERALLY DEPARTMENTS BUDGET FOR THOSE THEMSELVES.
THEY HAVE AN IT LINE IN THEIR BUDGET FOR, FOR EQUIPMENT LIKE THAT, UM, WE, WE DO THAT SO THAT SOME DEPARTMENTS ARE ABLE TO RECOUP THOSE EXPENSES THROUGH GRANTS.
SO WE CHARGE 'EM TO THOSE DEPARTMENTS RATHER THAN JUST KIND OF CENTRALLY HOUSE IT.
ANYTHING ELSE THEN IN THE MOTION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
THERE ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES.
AND THE LAST ITEM, THREE K, ANNUAL JAIL INSPECTION PER WISCONSIN STATUTE 59.54 15.
OKAY, MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S DONE ANNUALLY.
THE WORD INSPECTION IS A LITTLE BIT, UH, TOO IN DEPTH.
IT'S BASICALLY WHAT IT IS, IS ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE OR ANY MEMBER OF THE COUNTY BOARD, WE JUST HAVE A WALKTHROUGH OF THE JAIL.
YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT LIKE A WHITE GLOVE TYPE OF THING OR IT, IT IS JUST BASICALLY SHOWING YOU WHAT, WHAT WE HAVE HERE AT THE COUNTY, FROM COUNTY TO COUNTY PER STATE STATUTE.
SO I'M JUST LOOKING TO GET THAT ON THE SCHEDULE, PUT IT ON YOUR RADAR THAT IF ANY, YOU KNOW, SET UP A DATE, WORK ALONGSIDE CAPTAIN LEHMAN AND SHERIFF SICE TO SEE WHEN WE CAN HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY JUST TO, UH, CONFORM TO THE STATE STATUTE.
SO JUST SOMETHING THAT'S NOT, DOESN'T NECESSARILY NEED TO BE DECIDED TODAY, BUT I'LL DISCUSS WITH CAPTAIN LEHMAN, SHERIFF SICE AS TO WHAT OPPORTUNITY OR DAYS ARE AVAILABLE FOR THEM AND, UH, GET BACK TO YOU WITH THOSE AND SEE IF ANYTHING CAN MATCH UP.
UM, COUPLE CLARIFYING QUESTIONS.
FIRST, IS THIS A REQUIREMENT OF THE STATE THAT WE DO THE WALKTHROUGH OR IS THIS THE REQUIREMENT THAT WE BE PROVIDED WITH THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO A WALKTHROUGH? I CAN HEAR THE SHERIFF.
SO IT, IT IS, UH, BY STATE STATUTE HIGHWAY OR I MEAN, UH, STATE STATUTE IN 59.
IT'S, UH, IT'S A REQUIREMENT THAT'S EITHER THE COUNTY BOARD OR COMMITTEE THEREOF AND YOU KIND OF ARE THE COMMITTEE THEREOF.
UM, IT IS REQUIRED ANNUALLY, AT LEAST ANNUALLY.
UM, WHAT WE TYPICALLY HAVE DONE HAS, IF WE HAVE A LIGHT AGENDA MEETING WHERE PUBLIC SAFETY IS DONE IT, UH, UM, MAYBE DIRECTLY AFTER THE MEETING OR IN LIEU OF THE MEETING.
UM, WHAT WE'VE ALSO DONE IN THE PAST IS ALSO INVITED THE ENTIRE COUNTY BOARD, LET THEM KNOW, UM, IF THEY'RE AVAILABLE, IF THEY'RE INTERESTED IN SEEING THE JAIL, THAT THEY COULD SEE THE FACILITIES AS WELL.
UM, I WOULD SUGGEST AND, AND UH, THAT MAYBE IT WOULD MAKE THE MOST SENSE TO DO IT IMMEDIATELY AFTER ONE OF OUR REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETINGS.
AND I DON'T SEE THAT THERE'S A NEED TO WAIT.
I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE SCHEDULE THAT FOR AFTER OUR MAY MEETING ON THE 21ST.
ARE THERE ANY OPPOSED TO THAT IDEA BEFORE OR AFTER A MEETING? AFTER THIS MEETING?
ANYTHING ELSE WE NEED TO FOLLOW UP ON, ON THIS ISSUE? AS FAR AS, UH, CHAIRMAN SLICE, WOULD YOU ISSUE THE INVITATION TO THE COUNTY BOARD OR KAYLA? ALRIGHT, KAYLA'S ON IT.
THE ONLY THING I WOULD ADVISE IS IF, UH, I MEAN CCW WEAPONS AT ALL, NONE OF THAT STUFF CAN BE IN THE JAIL.
SO IF, UH, UM, JUST REFRAIN FROM HAVING ANY WEAPONS AT ALL ON YOU.
ANYTHING ELSE WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT OUR WEAPONS OR YOUR WEAPONS? I THINK YOURS, TONY.
IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE, WE WILL ADJOURN.
OUR NEXT MEETING DATE IS MAY 21ST AND WE'LL MEET HERE AND THEN IMMEDIATELY AFTERWARDS CARRY ON TO THE JAIL.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION AND INTEREST.
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TONY, CAN I HAVE A PIECE OF THAT PAPER? MM-HMMWHAT AT? WE TALKED ABOUT THAT WHEN WE GOT HERE.
LIKE IT'S SO DECEIVING EVERY TIME.
AND THERE'S A FEW THINGS IN THERE.
YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, YOU WENT BACK 15 YEARS, DOUG, I CAN GO BACK 30 YEARS.
WHEN I GOT ON HARTFORD IN 96, THEY REFUSED TO WORK WITH ANY OTHER DEFENDANTS.
THEY WOULD FIGHT EVERY FIRE THEMSELVES, WOULD NOT CALL ANY DEPARTMENTS THEN WHEN, AND THEN THESE OTHER DEPARTMENTS WOULD TAKE OFFENSE TO THAT.
AND WHEN THEY WOULD HAVE A BIG FIRE, THEY WOULD PAY TO ROUND HARTFORD.
LAWRENCE HAD A FIRE THEY DON'T WANT TO PLAY ALONG.
THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD PAGE AROUND HARTFORD, EVEN THOUGH HARTFORD WAS THE CLOSEST AND THAT'S ALL GONE.
AND NOW EVEN IN THAT REPORT, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT ELIMINATING THE BOUNDARIES USING THE CLOSEST DEPARTMENT TO THE SCENE INSTEAD OF STAYING WITHIN YOUR, YOUR JURISDICTION, WHICH IS A, A GREAT IDEA, AT LEAST FOR THE FIRST, FIRST UNITS OUT, YOU KNOW, FASTER.
YOU CAN GET SOMEBODY THERE BETTER OUT THERE.
THEY DON'T CARE WHAT NAME IS ON THE SIDE.
SO THERE WAS SOME REALLY GREAT IDEAS IN THERE AND IT DOES SHOW HOW MUCH IT'S, IT'S CHANGED OVER THE LAST 20, 30 YEARS.
AND EVEN WITH THAT PRIDE AND EVERYTHING, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TWO DEPARTMENTS IN MY TOWNSHIP AND I WAS SERVED ON ONCE.
YOU KNOW, MY FAMILY SERVED ON THE OTHER ONE.
SO WE WERE ALWAYS TRYING TO DO WHAT WE COULD TO GET 'EM TO COME TOGETHER.
AND I MEAN, WHEN I JOINED IT REALLY, REALLY CHANGED A LOT.
WE HAD AN OLD SCHOOL CHIEF AND THEY HAD, UH, THE RULE THAT YOU COULD NOT BELONG TO ANY OTHER DEPARTMENT AND BE ON HARTFORD.
YET WE WOULD HAVE PEOPLE THAT WERE FULL-TIME FIREFIGHTERS LIVING IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT WANTED TO BE PART OF OUR DEPARTMENT TO HELP.
THEY'RE FULLY QUALIFIED AND WILLING AND THEY WOULDN'T LET 'EM ON.
I'M LIKE, THAT'S THE DUMBEST THING I'VE HEARD.
THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE YOU WANT HERE.
AND UH, AND AGAIN, JUST WITH TIME AND NEW IDEAS, THAT'S ALL, ALL CHANGED.
I SEE THAT BIG TIME IN MY COMMUNITY.
AND I, I'M, I'M STILL PRETTY INVOLVED WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
WHAT ARE YOU, NEWBURGH AND WHAT ELSE? NO, IT'S FILLMORE AND VILLE.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE TO THE POINT NOW WHERE THEY'RE SIMUL PAGE THEY'RE PAGED TOGETHER.
BEFORE IT WAS ALWAYS SEPARATE OUR LINE THAT'S HERE, IT'S ALL TOGETHER.
AND I'LL SAY THEY'VE BEEN GOOD, VERY GOOD TO THE TOWN FOR FINANCES, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS NOT STICKING IT TO US WITH OUR COMP.
SO WE'VE HAD SOME MAJOR CHANGES NOW RECENTLY BECAUSE KI WASK AND EMS HALF MY TOWN AND FREE PAY FOR SERVICE.
HOW IS THAT WORKING? ARE THEY, IS KIOSKI STILL FIRST RESPONDING? YEAH.
AND THEN WEST BEND IS TRANSPORTING IN THE VILLAGE.
KI WASUM WAS THE FIRST RESPONDERS IN MY TOWN.
WE HAVE FIRST RESPONDERS IN OUR DEPARTMENT.
BUT THEN INSTEAD OF KI WASUM BEING YOUR TRANSPORT, WEST BEND TRANSPORT, HOW, HOW MUCH OF A EXTENDED ARRIVAL TIME DO YOU HAVE USING WEST BEND COMPARED TO ASK THEM? ACTUALLY THEY'RE TELLING ME IT'S LESS.
REALLY? BECAUSE THEY'RE STAFFED AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE ON THE WAY.
THEY'RE QUICKER THAN IT WAS BEFORE BECAUSE YOU ASK THEM ALL COUNTY, SO THEY'D HAVE TO GET SOMEBODY TO THE STATION, GET THE AMBULANCE.
SO YOU'RE LOSING IT SIX, SEVEN MINUTES.
SO SO THEY SAID IT'S BEEN QUICKER.
AND THEN, AND THEN YOU ALSO SAID KIOS WAS NOTORIOUS FOR UH, PAGING FOR MORE MANPOWER BECAUSE THEY WERE SHORT.
SO THEN YOU HAD TO LEAVE THERE.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALWAYS GONNA BE HANGUPS
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AND HICCUPS TO GET THROUGH.THE STARTED OF THE FIRST OF THE YEAR.
BUT FROM WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD AND GO THROUGH AT EVERY MEETING IT'S BEEN WORKING THROUGH, HASN'T BEEN TOO MANY ISSUES AT ALL.
AND IF YOU CHOOSE TO LIVE EXTREMELY RURAL, YOU HAVE TO ACCEPT THE FACT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE LONG RESPONSE TIME.
YOU WANT 'EM THERE RIGHT AWAY BY A HOUSE NEXT TO THE FIREHOUSE.
SO GENTLEMEN, I HAVE TO GET BACK TO WORK OR GET TO WORK.
BUSY DAY ALL OVER THE PLACE TODAY.
YOU WANT ME TO HOLD THAT FOR YOU WHILE YOU PUT IT UP? YEAH, WE'RE RIGHT NOW.
I, THAT, THAT PRICE THAT JACKSON, I DIDN'T, I WASN'T AWARE THAT THAT, UH, HAD THAT AND THAT'S WHY I ASKED IF THAT WAS YOURS PROBLEM.
WELL THAT'S GETTING BACK TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS AND WHEN I, THAT THEIR, UH, FIRE THAT WAS, UH, IS THEY, THAT'S ALL VOLUNTEERED.
WE GOT A BETTER DRIVE UP THERE FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
UH, FIRE HYDRANTS, YOU KNOW, SO THAT IS AN ADVANTAGE FOR THE PEOPLE.
BETTER WE CAN MAKE OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT.
AND THEY DID, YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT EITHER.
WHEN YOU, YOU SAY, WELL WHY DO YOU NEED THE TANKERS HERE? WHY DO YOU NEED ALL THIS EQUIPMENT? 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT RAISES THE ISO RATING FOR BETTER INSURANCE AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
SO THERE'S A REASON FOR IT TOO.
BESIDES, MY TRUCK'S BIGGER THAN YOUR TRUCK.
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I WENT THROUGH THAT 800 PAGE.SO I KNOW I'VE HEARD IT A FEW TIMES ALREADY.
UM, I KNOW I'VE HEARD IT A FEW TIMES.
HOW DO TIFF DISTRICTS ARE SET UP TAX INTERMENTAL? IS IT JUST TO GET, IS IT JUST TO GET MORE MONEY? I MEAN, IF I REMEMBER THEY TAX EVERYBODY AND THEY PUT ALL THAT MONEY FOR A SPECIAL PROJECT, RIGHT? YEAH.
I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT YEAH, I I'LL ASK HIM.
ALTHOUGH HE'LL PROBABLY GIVE ME THE, HE'LL PROBABLY GIMME INFORMATION.
I MEAN, I KNOW WHAT IT HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH THEY TAX EVERYBODY, EVERYBODY ELSE HAS TO PAY FOR AND IT'S SPECIAL PROJECTS, BUT IT GOES JUST TO A CERTAIN AREA.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MEANS THEY CAN NOW BECAUSE THEY HAVE A TIP IF THEY CAN NOW TAX MORE THAN WHAT THE STATE ALLOTTED 3% RAISE.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? THAT THE STATE CAPPED GOVERNMENT, LOCAL GOVERNMENTS FROM HOW MUCH THEY CAN RAISE TIDE.
I WISH THEY WOULD'VE TIED IT TO THE, I WISH THEY WOULD'VE TIED IT TO INFLATIONARY LATELY.
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WHY A LOT OF THE TOWNSHIPS ARE SCREAMING.THEY CAN'T, THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO DO ANYTHING.
THEY SEEM TO BE ALWAYS SCREAMING.
WELL THEN THE TOWN OF, SO THE TOWN OF WAYNE IS, IS A, I ONLY COVER LIKE A QUARTER OF IT AND THEN TROUTNER COVERS THE NORTH THREE QUARTERS.
IT'S ALL IN THE UPPER CORNER OF THE TOWN OF THE WASHINGTON COUNTY.
THERE MIGHT BE A COUPLE SMALL, MOSTLY FARM AND RESIDENTIAL.
THEY JUST HAD TO, THEIR BUDGET IS LIKE 800.
AND OF THAT 800,450 GOES TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
SO THAT GIVES 'EM 350,000 DUES, ROAD PLOWING, MAINTENANCE SHEDS, BUILDINGS, EVERYTHING ELSE.
SO THEY HAD TO BUILD, BORROW MONEY.
THEY'RE ALLOWED TO RAISE DID THAT, THAT RAISED THEIR, SO IF YOU HAD A 2000 TAX BILL WHERE GUYS WERE RUNNING GOVERNMENT, I'M GONNA FATHER LAW, I'M LIKE, YOU GUYS, THERE ARE TIMES, I MEAN I MILWAUKEE THE WHOLE, THEY THEY, THEY JUST WASTE MONEY.
I QUALITY IS SUCH A FRICKING MONEY.
GOVERNMENTS HAVE THOSE SORT OF DEALS.
AND YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN WATCHING JOE'S AND STUFF, ALL THESE SPORTS, IS IT WORTH IT? SO IT'S LIKE SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
GIVE YOU, GIVE YOU COVERED THREE QUARTER, NOT HALF.
AND, AND, AND THE BREWERS, I DON'T, I MEAN, I'M NOT A BIG BREWER FAN.
COVER FIND, FIND SOME OTHER PLACE OUT.
YOU KNOW WHAT HE KEEP SAYING NOW WHO ARE THEY REALLY BENEFITING? AND YOU, YOU TAX JOEL PUBLIC WHO THEN ALSO HAS TO PAY A HUNDRED DOLLARS AND SEE IT.
DON'T LET IT FROM GETTING YOUR JOB DONE.
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I I'M SURE THE GUYS WILL LIKE, UH, HEARING THAT.
WELL, AND I, THE MORE I THINK ABOUT IT TOO, I'M ALMOST THINKING YEAH, MAYBE WE SHOULD HAVE THEM SEPARATE.
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'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF THE PEOPLE WHO COME HERE REALLY WANT TO BE IN AS STRICT OF A CODE AS THEY NEED FOR THE, THE COURTS, YOU KNOW, WITH NO WEAPONS AND STUFF.I MEAN, WE HAD A, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER M**K OR NOT.
ONE, UH, DRUM, UH, I CALL HIM, UH, GUN DROP MAHOLIC.
BECAUSE FOR WHATEVER REASON HE JUST COULDN'T FIND A, A, A GOOD ENOUGH CLIP WHERE IT KEPT FALLING OUT OF HIS POT, OUT OF OFF HIS BELT.
I'M LIKE, JESUS, MAN, GET, GET A BETTER CLIP.
BUT, UH, GOT HIM IN TROUBLE AFTERNOON.
YOU KNOW, THE THING ABOUT MAHOLIC THOUGH IS I ALWAYS LIKED HIS ALWAYS PRETTY REASONABLE.
I MEAN, HE ALWAYS HAD THE BEST OF INTENTIONS ON EVERYTHING.
IT'S UNFORTUNATE WITH THE, WITH THE GUN PROBLEM.
HE SHOULD HAVE JUST SAID, YEAH, I FORGOT I CARRIED EVERYWHERE AND I, FOR MY FAULT, I'M, I'M GUILTY.
YOU KNOW, BUT NOT, WE'RE ABOVE THE LAW.
THAT'S NOT A, I MEAN, THAT'S NOT A GOOD WAY OF GOING ABOUT IT.
BUT I MEAN, YOU KNOW, HE KIND OF CLAMMED UP, WHICH IS PROBABLY THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
BUT YEAH, I DON'T, IT ALL CAME OUT PRETTY BADLY.
IT, IT IS UNFORTUNATE BECAUSE I, I DIDN'T ALWAYS AGREE WITH HIM THOUGH.
HE IS VERY CONSERVATIVE SOMETIMES I FELT HE WAS A LITTLE ROUGH ON PEOPLE
AND THAT'S ME SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, AND I KNOW SOME PEOPLE AT HARTFORD THAT DIDN'T LIKE HIM EITHER.
I'M LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT, IF YOU DON'T LIKE HIM, RUN AGAINST THEM THEN AND YOU JUST KEEP SITTING.
THAT'S KIND OF DUH, THE MAN WITH THE MONEY,
NOT FROM PEOPLE HERE, FROM OUR CONSTITUENTS.
YOU OWN THE GOVERNMENT ACTUALLY.
NOT, NOT I, THE REPRESENTATIVE, YOU KNOW, AND I'VE HAD PEOPLE ARGUE, WELL, IT'S THE GOVERNMENT'S MONEY.
I MEAN, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU GET A PAYCHECK, IT'S NOT YOUR BOSS'S MONEY, IT'S YOUR MONEY.
SO WHEN YOU PAY A CHECK TO THE GOVERNMENT, IT'S THEIR MONEY, NOT YOURS.
I'M LIKE, HELL YOU THINK OWNS THE GOVERNMENT.
SOME PEOPLE, IT'S A REPRESENTATIVE GOVERNMENT.
AND THEN, AND THEN PEOPLE THAT DON'T WANT GOVERNMENT TO DO ALL AWAY AND YEAH.
SOMEWHERE IN THERE THAT'S, HEY, QUIT BLOWING ON MY H****R.
YOU KNOW WHAT IT'S CALLED A H****R, RIGHT? YEP.
UH, I WAS TALKING TO THE, TO THE KAYLA, I DON'T KNOW IF SHE'S FAMILIAR WITH TE KAYLA
THAT'S FROM, UH, FROM OUR SISTER COUNTY IN IRELAND.
THEY GIFTED THAT FOR OUR 20TH ANNIVERSARY LAST TIME WE WENT OVER THERE.
AND THEY'RE VERY, VERY PROUD OF THAT BEING HERE.
LIKE, OH MAN, THEY'RE, WHEN THEY WERE HERE, THEY WERE ALL LIKE, OH MY GOD, DAMN.
LIKE THAT WAS A HUGE RIGHT ON THE WALL.
THAT WAS A HUGE DEAL, YOU KNOW? WELL, IT'S JUST, IT'S IT'S REALLY COOL.
AND LIKE, UH, JEFF'S, UH, WIFE SAID, UH, WHEN, WHEN HE HAD IT IN HIS OFFICE, SHE SAID, THAT'S THE ONLY H****R I'M GONNA LET HIM OFFICE.
YOUR WIFE'S PRETTY UNDERSTANDING.
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YEAH.ISN'T IT SOMETHING, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THEY JUST, THEY TREATED US LIKE, LIKE FRICKING KINGS WHEN I DIDN'T GO UNFORTUNATELY.
AND I, I HOPE TO GO NEXT TIME AND I DON'T KNOW WHEN THAT WILL BE.
I WAS GONNA SAY, IS IT EVERY FIVE YEARS, I GUESS SCOTT, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO THAT MEANS WE GOT A, IT WAS 22.
GOTTA LOOK AT, FIND ONE OF MY PICTURES AND I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, UH, THAT SOUNDS ABOUT RIGHT.
SO WE'RE THREE YEARS AWAY YET, WHICH MEANS I GOTTA GET ELECTED ONE MORE TIME AND I SHOULD BE ABLE TO GO
YEAH, I'LL, UH, TRY AND, WELL, I KNOW IT WAS AFTER COVID, SO IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN 22, RIGHT? YEAH, THAT SOUNDS ABOUT RIGHT.
SO I DEFINITELY WOULD HAVE TO GET ELECTED TWO MORE TIMES.
OH, IS EVERYBODY? HELLO THERE.
AND YOU PUT 'EM THERE, RIGHT THERE IN FRONT OF US.
WE'LL KEEP IT OUT FOR YOU, BUDDY.
WHY? I GOT SIX OF THEM COMPLETELY UN MOLESTED.
IS THAT THE PLACE IN FOND DULAC? NO, NO, NO, THEY'RE IN, UH, JACKSON.
SHE'S GOT THAT LITTLE HOUSE IN JACKSON.
I THINK IT'S LIKE ON G OR SOMETHING.
HOW ARE YOU? HOW ARE YOU? SEEMS LIKE I HARDLY SEE YOU.
AM I ON THAT SIDE? ON THAT SIDE? UH, I GUESS YOU'RE OVER HERE.
THEY GOT US A LITTLE SWITCHED AROUND TODAY.
USUALLY MIKE'S RIGHT THERE AND YOU'RE RIGHT THERE.
JOHN'S BLOCKING MY WAY TO THE,
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TOUGH.THE OTHER JEFF LIKED IT'S 4:00 PM I'LL CALL THIS MEETING OF THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE TO ORDER.
UM, WE ARE ALL PRESENT AND SMILING.
UM, THIS MEETING WAS POSTED BY THE CLERK'S OFFICE APPROPRIATELY, UH, WILL RISE FOR A MOMENT OF SILENT PRAYER AND THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
UH, THE MINUTES FROM OUR MARCH 19TH MEETING, WERE IN THE PACKET.
ARE THERE ANY CORRECTIONS OR COMMENTS THERE BEING NONE.
WE WILL RECORD THEM AS PRINTED.
UM, THE FIRST TWO ITEMS, THE GENERAL FUND TRANSFER UPDATE FOR PARKS AND TRAILS TO BROWNFIELD AND A SIMILAR UP TRANSFER, UH, FOR REPLACEMENT OF CAST IRON PIPES IN THE JAIL WILL BE HANDLED IN THE APPROPRIATE STANDING COMMITTEES.
IN FACT, THE PIPES IN THE JAIL ONE WAS ALREADY DEALT WITH THIS MORNING IN PUBLIC SAFETY, SO, AND MINE IS TOMORROW.
AND, UH, THE OTHER ONE WILL BE TOMORROW.
SO THE NEXT ITEM IS DISCUSSION ITEM C, GUIDANCE ON THE JOINT REVIEW BOARD PARTICIPATION IN GERMANTOWN.
UM, SO THE, THE, WE'RE HERE AGAIN TO TALK ABOUT, UM, ANOTHER PROPOSED, UH, TAX INCREMENTAL DISTRICT.
UM, THE PACKET HAS A LOT OF GOOD INFORMATION IN IT, THE PROJECT PLAN, BUT IT'S, IT, UH, IS IN THERE.
UM, BUT IT'S ALSO GOT SOME SLIDES THAT, UH, THE JOINT REVIEW BOARD AND THE PLAN COMMISSION, UH, FOR, FOR THE VILLAGE OF GERMANTOWN, UH, SAW ON THE 31ST, UH, OF MARCH.
UM, SO A LOT OF GOOD INFORMATION IN THERE ABOUT THE PROJECT OVERALL.
JUST WANTED TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO JUST KIND OF TALK ABOUT WHAT, WHAT'S IN THAT PROJECT.
UM, SO IT'S, UH, TID NUMBER 10.
UH, IT'S BEING PROPOSED BY THE VILLAGE TO PAY FOR LAND ACQUISITION, ACQUISITION SITE PREPARATION, INFRASTRUCTURE AND INCENTIVES REQUIRED FOR DEVELOPMENT.
UM, SO THE DISTRICT ITSELF IS ON THE CORNER OF, UH, PILGRIM AND WAN.
THERE'S PLENTY OF MAPS IN THE PACKET.
UM, PROJECT IS BEING CALLED THE VILLAGE CENTER, SO THERE'S SOME MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING IN THERE AND JUST SOME GENERAL ECONOMIC ACTIVITY.
THERE'S SORT OF A CENTRAL MARKET PLAZA AND SOME COMMERCIAL SPACE BEING PROPOSED AS PART OF THAT PROJECT AS WELL.
UM, YOU KNOW, ACCORDING TO THE VILLAGE, UM, A PROJECT LIKE THIS ONE WAS IDENTIFIED AS A PRIORITY, UM, GOING BACK TO THE LAST TIME THEY UPDATED THEIR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UM, AND THEN GOING FORWARD INTO SOME COMMUNITY, UH, VISIONING SESSIONS THAT THEY, THAT THEY HELD, UH, TAIL END OF LAST YEAR.
AND THE BEGINNING OF THIS YEAR, THEY HELD SOME, SOME SESSIONS FOR THE, THE STAKEHOLDERS TO PROVIDE INPUT ABOUT, ABOUT THE SITE AND ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT MIGHT GO INTO THE VILLAGE, UH, CENTER PROJECT.
UM, SPECIFICALLY, UM, THE DEVELOPMENT ASSUMPTIONS.
UH, THEY ESTIMATE ABOUT 450 MULTIFAMILY UNITS.
SO, UH, APARTMENT TYPE, UM, HIGH END APARTMENT, UH, TYPE UNITS.
UH, AND THEN SOME ABOUT 28,000, UH, SQUARE FEET OF, OF COMMERCIAL SPACE.
SO AGAIN, THAT MARKETPLACE OPEN CONCEPT, UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE LINKING IT TO.
SO IF YOU, IF YOU KNOW, UH, IN WAN THE WAN TOWN CENTER WHERE CAFE HOLLAND AND TIVO, I THINK IS DOWN IN THERE WITH SOME, SOME APARTMENTS AND MIXED USE TYPE TYPE THINGS IN THERE, THEY'RE SORT OF LINKING IT TO THAT TYPE OF, OF A DEVELOPMENT OF A CONCEPT.
UM, THE PROJECT IS BEING PHASED.
UH, SO THE PHASES WE, WE LIKE TO SEE THAT THAT'S SOMETHING A LOT MORE MUNICIPALITIES ARE DOING WITH TIFF.
UM, THE PHASES ALLOW FOR YOU TO ONLY INITIATE A CERTAIN PART OF THE PROJECT UNTIL YOU CAN THEN MAKE SURE THE REST OF THE PROJECT IS ECONOMICALLY VIABLE.
SO, UH, PHASE ONE CONTAINS MOST OF THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
UH, PHASE TWO IS MOST OF THE COMMERCIAL.
UM, AND THEN PHASE THREE IS A LITTLE BIT OF A MIX, BUT IT'S REALLY VERY CONCEPTUAL AT THIS POINT.
UM, PHASE THREE TO THE, IT'S SO CONCEPTUAL THAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY NOT EVEN PROJECTING WHAT THE INCREMENT MIGHT GENERATE.
SO IT'S A CONSERVATIVE PRACTICE THAT THEY'RE DOING HERE, BUT PHASE THREE IS A LITTLE BIT MORE NEBULOUS.
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UM, IT'S BEING PROPOSED AS A REHABILITATION DISTRICT.SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS A 27 YEAR LIFE ON THE, ON THE TID RATHER THAN WHAT WE NORMALLY SEE WITH MIXED USE IS 20 YEARS.
SO THIS ONE'S A LITTLE BIT LONGER.
UM, GENERALLY WITH REHAB DISTRICTS, THERE'S MORE EXPENSE REQUIRED TO CLEAN UP THE LAND OR TO DO SOME REMEDIATION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND SO THEY GIVE THOSE DISTRICTS A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO PAY OFF THE COSTS BY, BY MAKING IT A 27 YEAR LIFE INSTEAD.
UM, THE VILLAGE HAS BEEN ACQUIRING LAND, UM, IN, IN PREPARATION FOR, FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT.
UM, THEY'VE, THEY'VE PURCHASED, UH, SO I I, THEY INTEND TO BASICALLY THE, THE TID WOULD THEN REPAY THE VILLAGE FOR THE, THE PURCHASE PRICE OF THE LAND AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE REMEDIATION IF THERE IS ANY.
AND THEN, UM, SOME OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT THEY WOULD PUT ON THAT LAND.
AT LEAST THAT'S THE, THE DESCRIPTION OF THE PLAN AT THIS POINT.
UM, THE VILLAGE HAS PURCHASED TWO, UH, TWO PROPERTIES AND THEY'RE SET TO CLOSE ON A THIRD IN JUNE.
UM, SO I THINK SOME OF THAT IS ALSO DRIVING AND THE CARRYING COSTS ASSOCIATED ARE KIND OF DRIVING SOME OF THE TIMELINE ON THIS.
UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S A TECHNICAL DESCRIPTION, UM, OF THE TID.
UM, A COUPLE OTHER NOTES AND THOUGHTS THAT I HAD IS, IS, YOU KNOW, I'VE, I'VE SPOKEN TO ALL OF OUR COUNTY BOARD SUPERVISORS THAT, THAT REPRESENT GERMANTOWN, AND I'VE GOTTEN FEEDBACK, UM, FROM, FROM SOME OF YOU THAT, UH, BASICALLY PASSING THROUGH SOME OF THE OTHER FEEDBACK MAYBE YOU RECEIVED FROM CONSTITUENTS OR, OR THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK, I THINK EVERYBODY KIND OF UNDERSTANDS THAT THERE'S SOME VOCAL OPPOSITION TO THIS, TO THIS DISTRICT OR THIS PROPOSAL, UM, FROM WHAT I'VE, AND, AND SO AS A RESULT, I'VE BEEN WATCHING PLANNING COMMISSION MEETINGS AND VILLAGE BOARD MEETINGS AND TRYING TO GET A FEEL FOR WHAT THE ISSUES ARE THAT ARE OUT THERE AND, AND, UM, I THINK GENERALLY THERE'S SOME OPPOSITION JUST TO THE USE OF TIFF IN GENERAL, UM, AND THEN SOME OPPOSITION TO THE DENSITY.
UM, AND, AND REALLY IN SOME CASES, THE TYPE OF PROJECT OVERALL THAT'S BEING PROPOSED.
UM, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT HAS BEEN A LITTLE BIT CRITICAL OF THIS AS WELL, UM, BECAUSE OF THE IMPACT THAT APARTMENTS CAN HAVE ON A SCHOOL, UM, WHEN THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT STAFFING AND REVENUE IMPACTS AND, AND THE TIMING OF HOW, UM, WHEN, WHEN FOLKS MOVE INTO APARTMENTS AND HOW THAT CAN DRIVE THE TIMING OF WHEN THEY NEED TO HIRE TEACHERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND SO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT HAS BEEN, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, KEEPING AN EYE ON THIS DISTRICT AS WELL.
UM, AND THEN WE, I MEAN WE, WE KNOW THAT THIS, THIS DID TURN INTO AN ELECTIONS ISSUE, UM, IN THE, IN THE VILLAGE AS WELL, RIGHT.
SO, UM, IT SEEMS, SEEMS PRETTY CLEAR THAT THAT IT, IT, IT WAS A TOPIC OF, OF DISCUSSION WHEN, OR A TOPIC IN PEOPLE'S MINDS WHEN THEY WENT TO THE POLLS.
UM, SO ON MONDAY, UH, THE VILLAGE PLAN COMMISSION, UM, THEY HELD A PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE THEY THEN EVENTUALLY APPROVED AND PASSED THE RESOLUTION ON TO THE VILLAGE BOARD.
UM, THE VILLAGE BOARD IS SET TO CONSIDER THIS AT ITS, UH, APRIL 21ST MEETING.
UM, I DID, I DID GET ASSURANCES THAT THE NEW BOARD WILL BE SEATED PRIOR TO THIS MEETING.
UM, IT WILL NOT BE THE, THE OUTGOING BOARD THAT'S VOTING ON THIS, BUT ON THEIR WAY OUT, IT'S THE NEW BOARD THAT WILL BE, THAT WILL BE VOTING ON THIS.
UM, I KNOW THAT WAS A CONCERN THAT WAS OUT THERE.
UM, SO IF IT DOES PASS AT, AT THE VILLAGE LEVEL, UM, THEN IT, THEN IT COMES TO THE JOINT REVIEW BOARD.
OUR MEETING IS SET TO OCCUR ON MAY 12TH.
UM, I THINK, I THINK FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, WE'RE, WE'RE FACED AGAIN AS, AS THE JOINT REVIEW BOARD WE'RE FACED WITH MAKING A DECISION ON IMPROVING A
THERE'S, THERE'S, IT, IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT BECAUSE THERE'S STILL SOME UNKNOWNS OUT THERE AND THERE ALWAYS WILL BE TO SOME EXTENT.
BUT, UM, THIS IS THE SECOND TIME HERE, UH, IN, IN A ROW REALLY WHERE WE'VE BEEN, UH, FACED WITH HAVING TO CAST A VOTE WITHOUT, THERE'S SOME MORE INFORMATION THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE USEFUL I THINK.
UM, BUT IT, IT, IT JUST WON'T MATERIALIZE, UM, BETWEEN NOW AND THEN.
UM, I THINK, I THINK PHASE ONE AGAIN, PHASE ONE BEING MOSTLY RESIDENTIAL, UM, THE VILLAGE HAS, HAS DEMONSTRATED THAT, UM, PHASE ONE ALONE, THE FUNDING WORKS OUT, UM, FOR PHASE ONE ALONE.
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SO THE, THE APARTMENT PORTION OF THE PROJECT, UM, THE FUNDING, THE CASH FLOW WORKS, UM, IT, IT, THE DISTRICT WOULD CLOSE PRIOR TO THE, THE END OF THE STATUTORY LIFE.UM, AND, AND IT WOULD WORK PHASE TWO.
UM, IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK CLOSELY AT THE PROJECT PLAN, PHASE TWO, UM, IS SHOWING ABOUT $6 MILLION SHORT ON REVENUE TO MAKE THE OVERALL PROJECT HAPPEN.
SO THERE'S A KNOWN GAP OF $6 MILLION IN THIS PROJECT.
UM, SO THEY WOULD NEED TO COME UP WITH 6 MILLION OF REVENUE OR 6 MILLION IN EXPENSE REDUCTIONS OR OFFSETS TO EVEN MAKE THAT PROJECT WORK WITHIN THOSE 27 YEARS.
SO THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY, THE, THE PLAN COMMISSION PICKED UP ON THAT AND ASKED FOR SOME IDEAS ON HOW THEY MIGHT CLOSE THAT $6 MILLION GAP.
UM, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY, THEY IDENTIFIED A NUMBER OF OPTIONS INCLUDING GRANTS AND LAND SALE.
UM, THE LAND SALE PRICING MIGHT BE CONSERVATIVE, AND, AND THERE MIGHT BE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT GETS FINANCED BY A DEVELOPER.
SO A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT MIGHT MATERIALIZE, BUT WE JUST DON'T, WE'RE JUST NOT IN A SPOT TO SEE THAT THEY HAVE.
UM, SO A LOT OF WHAT IFS OUT THERE FOR THAT 6 MILLION, UM, I, I WOULDN'T EXPECT THE VILLAGE TO INITIATE PHASE TWO WITHOUT CLOSING THAT GAP.
THEY'RE VERY, THEY'RE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE IN THAT REGARD, AND I DON'T EXPECT THEM TO DO THAT.
UM, PHASE TWO IS ALSO SORT OF CONTINGENT ON TWO PROPERTIES IN THE DISTRICT SELLING.
UM, AND IF THEY DON'T, THEN THAT SORT OF LEAVES A GAP IN THE, IN THE PLAN, UM, WITH, WITH SOME LAND THAT THEY, THAT THEY CAN'T DEVELOP.
UM, SO THAT'S ANOTHER, THAT'S ANOTHER WAY WHERE PHASE TWO MAY NOT HAPPEN.
AND SO MY CONCERN WITH THIS IS THAT PHASE ONE IS THE ONLY VIABLE OPTION GOING FORWARD, AND NOW WE'RE STUCK WITH SORT OF A RESIDENTIAL TIFF.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF, IF, IF THAT HAPPENS, THE GERMANTOWN COMMUNITY DOESN'T GET THE VILLAGE CENTER IN THE MARKETPLACE THAT THEY IDENTIFIED IN THOSE, IN THOSE VISIONING SESSIONS.
UM, BUT WE ALSO KNOW THAT RESIDENTIAL, RESIDENTIAL TIFF IMPACTS THE VILLAGE AND THE SCHOOL WHEN IT DRAWS MORE STUDENTS OR MORE SERVICE NEEDS OR THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND, AND WHEN WE APPROVE TIFF, SOMETIMES WE CAN SEE THOSE THINGS AS NECESSARY TO, TO GET THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT WE WANT.
UM, BUT TO POSSIBLY FACE THOSE TYPES OF IMPACTS WITHOUT THOSE DESIRED BENEFITS, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD CONSIDER AS WE'RE CASTING OUR VOTE, UH, ON THE JOINT REVIEW BOARD.
UM, SO I, I WANTED TO LAY OUT SORT OF THE FACTS, UM, AND SOME OF MY OBSERVATIONS AND CONCERNS, AND THEN, UM, HOPEFULLY GET SOME OF YOUR COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS.
I'LL START OUT WITH, IF I ASSUME THAT PHASE TWO, THE MARKET PLOTS IS WHAT THE PUBLIC WANTED.
THEY DIDN'T GO ASK FOR MORE APARTMENTS, THEY ASKED FOR THE VILLAGE SQUARE AREA.
I, I BELIEVE THE VISIONING SESSION IDENTIFIED A, A MIX, UM, SORT OF AN OVERALL MIX, BUT, UM, BUT THAT'S PROBABLY, PROBABLY CLOSE TO ACCURATE.
SO, AND NOW THAT THEY'VE COME THIS FAR, UM, THE BANK AND THE GAS STATION WOULD BENEFIT FROM A WHOLE BUNCH OF APARTMENTS AROUND THEM.
SO WHAT'S THE POINT OF THEM SELLING? AND IF THEY DO, THE PRICE WILL PROBABLY GO UP.
I MEAN, THERE ARE ASSUMPTIONS.
SO YOUR $6 MILLION GAP, OR THEIR 6 MILLION BECOMES A GREATER GAP.
SO I'M VERY TROUBLED BY ALL THIS
AND I KNOW A LOT OF THE CONSTITUENTS ARE.
SO, UM, THAT'S MY 2 CENTS SUPERVISOR, SHARAN.
SO, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, AND AGAIN, THIS THING WAS, LIKE WE DISCUSSED BEFORE, WAS 84 MILLION.
SO YOU'RE SAYING 90 PLUS IS WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT NOW.
AM I LOOKING AT THAT RIGHT? IF YOU, IF, WELL, IF YOU, IF YOU ADD IT TO THE EXPENSE SIDE, IT WOULD, IT WOULD GROW IT BY THAT.
BUT IF YOU TOOK IT OFF THE REVENUE SIDE, IT WOULD, IT WOULD STAY.
SO IT COULD NET IT INCREASE HIGHER OR GROSS IT UP.
BUT THERE'S A NUMBER OF OPTIONS.
I, I GUESS MY OPINION IS I'M GONNA LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE WHO REPRESENT THAT DISTRICT MM-HMM
THANK YOU, SUPERVISOR SCHULTE.
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HAVE HEARD FROM, UH, SEVERAL OF MY CONSTITUENTS AS WELL.AND I THINK, UM, JUST FOR FEEDBACK, UM, YOU TALKED ABOUT IN THE SCHOOLS AND, AND THE IMPORTANCE OF, OF MEASURING THAT ACCURATELY.
THEN I BELIEVE THEY'RE WAITING ON TWO REPORTS, UM, UH, INVENTORIES OF SORTS THAT, THAT HAVEN'T COME IN YET ARE DUE IN MAY.
THE FIRST ONE IS IN, THE SECOND ONE IS, IS COMING IN EARLY MAY.
AND THAT INFORMATION WOULD BE EXTREMELY HELPFUL FOR THEM, UM, ACCORDING TO MY CONSTITUENTS.
UM, THE OTHER IS JUST THE GENERAL COMMENT OF, UM, THE SENSE OF FEELING, UM, NOT INCLUDED IN SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT, UH, THERE WERE MEETINGS THAT WERE HELD THAT WEREN'T, PERHAPS THIS IS ACCORDING TO, YOU KNOW, FEEDBACK I'VE RECEIVED, UM, THAT WEREN'T HELD ACCORDING TO OPEN MEETING, YOU KNOW, AND SUCH.
SO, UM, THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO BE HEARD AND, AND IT APPEARS THAT THEY, AND THEY FEEL IF THEY HAVE THAT THEY HAVEN'T.
AND I, I, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE ALLEGATIONS AROUND, YOU KNOW, OPEN MEETINGS AND WHATNOT, BUT I CAN SAY THAT FROM THE PLAN COMMISSION MEETINGS I WATCHED, THAT WAS DEFINITELY THE SENTIMENT BY THE PUBLIC COMMENT THAT I HEARD.
SO SUPERVISOR KEL, THE, UH, HIGH DENSITY HOUSING IS THAT THESE GIANT APARTMENT BUILDINGS THAT WE SEE EVERYWHERE.
I THINK THE TALLEST ONE WAS FIVE STORIES.
AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN MY EXPERIENCE.
THIS IS NOT A PLACE YOU'RE GONNA RAISE KIDS.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS IS GONNA AFFECT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT THAT MUCH.
I MEAN, YOU DON'T WANT TO BE LUGGING A STROLLER UP, YOU KNOW, 10 FLIGHTS OF STAIRS, YOU KNOW, IN YOUR GROCERIES AND ALL THE REST OF THAT.
I MEAN, IT, IT, IT JUST DOESN'T HAPPEN.
YOU DON'T SEE KIDS LIVING THERE MOST OF THE TIME.
YOU'RE GONNA SEE RETIREES OR PROFESSIONAL PEOPLE.
UH, THAT'S BEEN THE EXPERIENCE HERE AT THE DISTRICT AND EVEN AT SOME OF THE OTHER PLACES.
UM, SOME THINGS ABOUT THIS DISTRICT, UH, I, I, I GUESS I UNDERSTAND THE PEOPLE, FIRST OF ALL, WHEN YOU SAY, WELL, THE OPEN RECORD, THE OPEN MEETINGS VIOLATIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW WHAT? WE HEAR THAT ALL THE TIME.
UH, COVER OF DARKNESS, BACKROOM DEALS.
YOU KNOW, I, I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT GERMANTOWN DID THEIR DUE DILIGENCE AND PROPERLY NOTIFIED THESE MEETINGS AND HELD THEM.
IT, YOU KNOW, ACCORDING TO THIS STATUTE,
UM, I DON'T BELIEVE THE SCHOOL IS AN ISSUE.
I LOOKED AT THIS THING PRETTY CLOSELY.
AND TO BE QUITE HONEST, UH, THE HOUSES ARE GONNA BE BUILT IN THE FIRST PHASE.
UM, JUST LIKE WHAT WE HAD HERE IN WEST BEND, UM, AND AT LEAST IN PHASE TWO WITH WHERE THE LOCATION IS, THERE'S A REALLY GOOD RETAIL LOCATION, UH, UNLIKE WHAT WE HAD IN OUR DISTRICT, UH, HERE IN WEST BEND, WHERE IT WAS OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE WHERE NOBODY GOES.
THIS ONE ACTUALLY SEEMS VIABLE AS COMMERCIAL SPACE AND RETAIL SPACE.
UM, AND UNDERSTAND FOR THOSE OF YOU MIGHT BE WATCHING AT HOME.
I LIVE IN WEST BEND, I HAVE NO DOG IN THIS FIGHT.
I'M JUST CALLING IT AS I REALLY SEE IT.
UM, I, I WOULD BE VERY TROUBLED WITH THE GAP.
I DID CATCH THAT, SAW THE RED ON, ON THERE, AND I'M LIKE, OH, THAT'S A PROBLEM.
UM, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT FIGURES IN FOR YOU AS FAR AS, AS YOU'RE DOING THESE MEETINGS.
UM, BUT I WOULD SAY YOU NEED TO HAVE A PLAN.
I, I DON'T THINK THIS PROJECT IN AND OF ITSELF IS ALL THAT BAD.
UH, CERTAINLY NOT THE SAME AS WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT IN WEST BEND FOR THAT DISTRICT.
THIS ONE LOOKS LIKE IT'S, IT'S DOABLE, BUT THE NUMBERS AREN'T, AREN'T THERE.
AND, AND YEAH, THAT, I THINK THAT'S SORT OF WHAT I WAS ALLUDING TO IS, YOU KNOW, PHASE ONE WORKS OUT FINANCIALLY, BUT WE'RE ALSO, WE'RE ALSO TASKED AS A JOINT REVIEW BOARD WITH, WITH DETERMINING IF THIS IS THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT OUR COUNTY OR OUR COMMUNITY OR OUR MUNICIPALITY, UM, IF, IF IT ALIGNS WITH, WITH THE OVERALL NEED.
UM, AND SO I JUST MADE, WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I BRING, BRING THOSE, THOSE UP, THOSE CONCERNS UP TO YOU.
SO SUPERVISOR SHARA, THANK YOU.
UH, CAN YOU MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO BREAK IT OUT AND JUST DO PHASE ONE? OR IS THIS ONE PACKET ALL OR NOTHING? WELL, THEY, THEY WOULD,
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THEY, THEY WOULD ONLY INITIATE IT PHASE BY PHASE.US APPROVING THE DISTRICT ALLOWS THEM TO, TO DO ALL THE PHASES, UM OKAY.
IN WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, AS SOON AS THEY WOULD LIKE.
BUT JUST, UM, I MEAN, KNOWING THE, KNOWING THE VILLAGE, I, I, I, I WOULD, I MEAN, IT WOULD BE, UH, IT WOULD BE REALLY PROBLEMATIC TO JUST GO, YOU KNOW, GO OUT ON YOUR OWN AND KIND OF DO THIS.
WELL, I, I GET IT, BUT I'M JUST WONDERING, IF YOU WERE AT THE MEETING, YOU COULD SAY, HEY, WE, WE STRONGLY, OR WE APPROVE PHASE ONE, BUT WE ARE KIND OF, UNTIL YOU FIGURE OUT THE FINANCING FOR THE REST OF IT, WE DO NOT AGREE WITH THE REST OF THE PHASES AT THIS POINT.
CAN YOU MAKE THAT MOTION? OR, UM, WELL, BY APPROVING IT, WE, WE AUTHORIZE THEM TO DO, IT'S AN ALL OR NOTHING.
SO WE DON'T, WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO MODIFY THE PROJECT.
AND, AND FROM MY PERS I, I GUESS WHAT I WOULD, WOULD LIKE FOR YOU ALL TO CONSIDER IS IF ALL WE GET IS PHASE ONE, ARE WE OKAY WITH THAT? UH, THE APARTMENTS ONLY? AND, AND, AND THAT'S IT.
UM, 'CAUSE THAT IS A POSSIBILITY BASED ON THE, THE GAP IN THE PLAN.
WELL, THEN AGAIN, I'LL RE RESORT BACK TO THE PEOPLE WHO REPRESENT THE DISTRICT SUPERVISOR SCHWAB.
UM, TWO QUESTIONS, AND YOU MAY PROBABLY NOT HAVE AN ANSWER TO THE FIRST.
UM, IF PHASE TWO IS BASICALLY THE PART THAT THE PEOPLE WANTED AND THAT WAS COMMERCIAL, UM, HOW MUCH, HOW MUCH EMPTY RETAIL SPACE IS THERE IN GERMANTOWN RIGHT NOW? IS THERE A DEMAND FOR MORE? AND IF THERE IS, THEN MAYBE WE CAN SEE OUR WAY CLEARED, OR MAYBE I CAN SEE MY WAY CLEARED AND SUPPORTING.
ON THE OTHER HAND, IF IT IS ONLY GOING TO BE A RESIDENTIAL FACILITY, APARTMENT OWNERS ARE MAKING A KILLING RIGHT NOW.
WE SHOULD NOT BE SUPPORTING TAX INCREMENT.
DISTRICT DEBT IS ONLY RESIDENTIAL AT A TIME LIKE THIS.
SURELY THE, THE DEVELOPER IN MY MIND, OUGHT TO BEAR THOSE COSTS.
I, I DID NOT SEE DEMAND STATISTICS FOR THE COMMERCIAL SPACE.
WE SAW SOME ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE, ON THE HOUSING SIDE, BUT WE DID NOT SEE ANY FOR THE COMMERCIAL.
IS THERE ANY THOUGHT ON THE RESIDENTIAL FOR SOME OF THEM TO BE CONDOMINIUMS, OWNER OCCUPIED UNITS? UM, I, I, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY, BUT I, I SUSPECT THAT THEY NEED THE DENSITY TO MAKE THE SPACE WORK AND THE NUMBERS WORK.
UM, I NOTICED THAT THE REASONING THEY PUT LIGHTED MM-HMM
UH, AS THE PROPERTY BEING BID, UH, WOULD YOU THINK THAT THAT WAS AN, THAT PROPERTY? IT DIDN'T SEEM THAT THEY, I MEAN, THEY'RE ACTUALLY BUYING A BANK FLOWER STORE AND, UH, THIS MEDICAL CENTER, THAT DOESN'T SOUND BLIGHTED TO ME.
UM, IT, IT WAS DESCRIBED AS BLIGHTED.
IT WAS DESCRIBED AS SOME REMEDIATION IS NECESSARY.
UM, THEY, THEY, THERE, THAT WAS ACTUALLY A QUESTION.
SO, SO THEIR PLAN COMMISSION ACTUALLY WAS SET TO APPROVE THIS, UM, AT ONE MEETING.
AND IT ACTUALLY GOT DELAYED TILL THE, TILL THE MEETING ON MONDAY.
UM, BECAUSE THEY WANTED THEM TO DIG IN A LITTLE BIT MORE ON, ON THAT CONCEPT.
SO THEY, THEY THEN ON MONDAY SHOWED THEM A MAP OF ALL OF THE, ALL OF THE POTENTIAL.
UM, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THERE'S A, A RATIO, RIGHT? A CERTAIN PORTION OF IT NEEDS TO BE, UM, IN NEED OF, OF THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO I, I AM A LITTLE BIT MORE CONFIDENT, UM, IN, IN THAT, UM, I, I, I MENTIONED IT TO, TO CHAIRMAN SCH THIS AFTERNOON.
I THINK THE, THE FLOWER SOURCE MIGHT ACTUALLY HAVE SOME REMEDIATION THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE ON THAT SITE.
UM, AND THAT WAS THE AREA THAT I THINK THEY REFERRED TO AS BLIGHTED.
YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S BEEN A VACANT PROPERTY FOR A COUPLE YEARS AND IT WAS STARTING TO HAVE VANDALISM AND SUCH.
SO, UM, BUT THEY USED, THEY DID ACTUALLY, THE WHOLE PROJECT, AS I'VE SEEN HERE, IS BASED ON BLIGHTED, WELL, THAT'S JUST FLOWER STORE.
THAT SEEMS TO BE A BIT OF A STRETCH.
IT'S, IT'S ON A PERCENTAGE BASIS.
I, I, MY MEMORY'S NOT, UH, I'M NOT ABLE TO RECALL EXACTLY WHAT THE PERCENTAGE REQUIREMENTS ARE, BUT THAT'S WHAT THEY WALKED THROUGH ON MONDAY NIGHT WAS, WAS A CERTAIN PERCENT NEEDS TO BE, UH, ELIGIBLE FOR THIS.
AND, AND AGAIN, I, I, UH, I UNDERSTAND WE'RE HERE BASIC VOTING ON WHETHER OR NOT GO THROUGH IT MM-HMM
UM, BUT THOSE ARE SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT I HAD WITH THE THING.
AND, AND, BUT OVERALL, I THINK IF THE FULL PROJECT WENT THROUGH, I THINK IT WOULD
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PROBABLY BENEFIT GERMANTOWN, UM, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S ACTUALLY, OTHER THAN THE FINANCIALS, WHICH IS ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, THE PROBLEM, UM, I I, IT, IT LOOKS LIKE A PROJECT THAT COULD BE VERY SUCCESSFUL.AND I DID THINK ABOUT THE ONE OVER, UH, DOWN WAN ROAD THERE.
IN, UH, WAN, THAT'S A VERY THRIVING AREA THERE, AS WELL AS, UH, BAYSHORE TOO.
IT'S ALONG, ALONG THOSE LINES AS WELL, THOUGH, NOT, I KNOW THAT AREA FAIRLY WELL.
SO I MEAN, IF THEY CAN MAKE THE NUMBERS WORK, AND, YOU KNOW, I, I FEEL THAT IT COULD BE AN OKAY, WE JUST NEED MORE DETAILS TO BE SURE MM-HMM
AND I'M SURE YOU FEEL THE SAME WAY.
UM, SO, UM, WHO MAKES UP THE JOINT REVIEW BOARD? UM, THERE'S A REPRESENTATIVE, SO THE, A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE VILLAGE, TYPICALLY THE VILLAGE PRESIDENT, BUT IT COULD IN THEORY BE SOMEONE ELSE.
UM, UH, THE COUNTY, UM, THE TECHNICAL COLLEGE IN THE CASE OF GERMANTOWN, IT'S, IT'S, UH, MILWAUKEE.
UM, THE SCHOOL BOARD OR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, AND THEN A CITIZEN MEMBER.
SO LIKE YOU SAID, IF THE FINANCIALS WORK ON PHASE ONE, UM, I'M STILL TROUBLED BY THE FINANCIAL HOLE WITH PHASE TWO AND THE FACT THAT PHASE TWO IS THE PART THAT MOST THE CITIZENS WANT, AND THEY NEVER GET THERE BECAUSE OF THE MONEY AND THE OTHER PROPERTIES THEY HAVE TO GET.
UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A TOUGH ONE TO VOTE YES FOR, I THINK.
BUT YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT OUR GUIDANCE, ROB'S A ROOK.
I DO APPRECIATE ALL THE INPUT.
I MEAN, WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT ANOTHER FOUR, THREE WEEKS FOR NEW INFORMATION TO EVEN MATERIALIZE, I THINK, BETWEEN NOW AND THEN.
SO, UM, BUT I DO APPRECIATE THE INPUT TONIGHT.
AND YOU'LL BE IN THE CONSCIENTIOUS REPRESENTATIVE.
YOU ARE, I KNOW YOU'LL TAKE ALL THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND DIGEST IT, SO, ABSOLUTELY.
I'VE BEEN WATCHING WAY TOO MANY VILLAGE MEETINGS FOR MY LIKING, BUT THAT'S OKAY.
SO WAS THAT THE FEEDBACK YOU NEED? IT IS, YES.
THEN, UH, YOU CAN MOVE ON TO THE DISCUSSION ON WHAT HAPPENS IF THERE'S NO STATE BUDGET.
UM, YOU KNOW, I, I MENTIONED A LOT OF THESE POINTS THE OTHER NIGHT, BUT, BUT WE REALLY WANTED TO JUST KIND OF DRIVE, UH, DRIVE HOME THE FACT THAT, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE PREPARING, UH, AS IF THE STATE DOESN'T HAVE A BUDGET ON TIME, UH, FOR US.
SO, SO WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, WITH A NORMAL STATE BUDGET, THERE'S ALWAYS CERTAIN POLICY ITEMS THAT THEY FUND, BUT IN, IN OUR CASE, WE'RE ALSO RELYING ON, YOU KNOW, THE, THE COST TO CONTINUE PORTION OF THEIR, OF THEIR FUNDING, RIGHT.
EVEN IF THEY JUST FUND OUR, OUR COLAS, RIGHT? THAT'S IMPORTANT TO US.
UM, AND SO WITHOUT A STATE BUDGET, WE'RE PLANNING AS IF WE'RE SORT OF GOING IT ALONE ON IN THAT REGARD.
UM, SO THAT'S THE REASON FOR US SHIFTING A HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF SALES TAX INTO THE OPERATING BUDGET.
RIGHT? SO AGAIN, UH, ABOUT 650, SO, UH, THOUSAND DOLLARS, UM, OF, OF NEW SALES TAX SHIFTING INTO THE OPERATING BUDGET IN ANTICIPATION OF US NEEDING TO, UM, TO, TO FUND A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THAT GAP.
UM, OUR GAP IS ABOUT 1.4 TO $1.5 MILLION WITHOUT FACTORING SIGNIFICANT INFLATION IN THERE.
RIGHT? THE 1.4 IS MOSTLY OUR, OUR SALARIES, OUR, OUR, OUR NORMAL INCREASES IN SALARIES AND WAGES.
UM, THERE'S SOME INFLATIONARY IMPACTS BUILT IN, BUT, BUT NOTHING LIKE WE HAD SEEN IN RECENT, UH, HISTORY.
UM, SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT'S, THAT 1.4 NUMBER DOESN'T, DOESN'T EVEN TAKE INTO ACCOUNT, UM, SOME OF THE OTHER PRIORITY ITEMS THAT WE MIGHT WANT TO FUND, INCLUDING A MILLION DOLLARS FOR AT LEAST A MILLION FOR FIRE AND EMS, UM, TO MAKE THAT PERMANENT, UM, FOR, AS AN EXAMPLE OF, OF A PRIORITY ITEM WE'LL NEED TO CONSIDER HERE IN THE BUDGET PROCESS.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I, I MENTIONED AT, AT COUNTY BOARD HOW THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS ARE TYPICALLY A DRIVER OF THAT TIMELINE.
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AGAIN, THAT SENSE OF URGENCY'S JUST NOT THERE.AND, AND I WOULD, I WOULD EXPECT THAT THE LEGISLATURE DOES PASS A BUDGET, BUT IT'S LIKELY THAT IT HAPPENS WITH SOME SORT OF A POISON PILL OR, OR SOMETHING IN THERE THAT THE GOVERNOR, UH, WON'T SIGN, RIGHT? SO THEY'LL EACH HAVE THEIR OWN VERSIONS OF THE BUDGET AND, AND, UM, THERE WILL BE NO APPROVED BUDGET PER SE.
UM, SO THAT, THAT'S OUR CONCERN.
UM, AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'RE UNDER THESE CIRCUMSTANCES, WE'RE GIVING CONSIDERATION TO ALL SCENARIOS, RIGHT? SO INCLUDING USING, UM, NET NEW CONSTRUCTION TO INCREASE THE LEVY AS AN EXAMPLE.
UM, SO WE'RE EXPECTING THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER 500 TO 600,000, UH, OF ADDITIONAL, UH, REVENUE.
UM, SO THAT WOULD EVEN, EVEN STILL, THAT WOULD LEAVE US WITH A COUPLE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, UH, OF A GAP TO CLOSE.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE, I MENTIONED THE OTHER NIGHT, WE, WE APPROACHED DEPARTMENT HEADS ABOUT, UH, FIVE, 10, 15% CUT SCENARIOS.
WE KNOW THAT ACROSS THE BOARD DOESN'T USUALLY WORK, BUT, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE SCENARIO PLANNING, RIGHT? SO I, I, I DON'T IMAGINE A SCENARIO WHERE EVERYBODY IS TASKED WITH AN EXACTLY THE SAME PERCENTAGE, RIGHT? UM, BUT, BUT WE'RE AT THIS POINT HAVING THOSE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WHAT SORTS OF POLICY CONSIDERATIONS OR POLICY IMPACTS THIS MIGHT HAVE.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE A LITTLE BIT FURTHER THAN JUST, UM, YOU KNOW, NOT NOT DOING THAT TRAINING THIS YEAR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, RIGHT? THERE ARE SOME POLICY IMPACTS THAT THIS WOULD HAVE SERVICE DELIVERY IMPACTS THAT THIS WOULD HAVE.
AND SO WE'RE IDENTIFYING THAT THOSE SCENARIOS NOW, UM, WE'RE, I'M GOING TO MEET WITH EVERY DEPARTMENT HEAD AND WE'RE GONNA TALK, TALK ABOUT THEIR BUDGETS AND ABOUT WHAT, WHAT SORTS OF OPTIONS MIGHT BE OUT THERE AND, AND JUST KIND OF IDENTIFY, UM, ALL OF THAT THAT COMES FROM THOSE CONVERSATIONS.
UM, SO, UM, YOU CAN EXPECT, UH, ADDITIONAL UPDATES HERE IN THE COMING MONTHS.
AND THEN OBVIOUSLY OUR, OUR, UM, BUDGET PROCESS ALLOWS FOR A LOT OF THAT GOOD DISCUSSION TOO.
BUT, UM, BUT ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE ABOUT, ABOUT THIS PROCESS? I, FROM A 40,000 FOOT VIEW, OUR BUDGET YEAR TO YEAR IS ABOUT 125 MILLION.
HOW MUCH OF THAT COMES FROM THE STATE? UH, ROUGHLY ABOUT 40%.
AND IF THERE'S NO STATE BUDGET, WE DON'T KNOW IF THAT 40% IS COMING, HOW MUCH OF IT IS WHAT MIGHT BE CUT, WHAT MIGHT NOT.
SO WE'RE REALLY DEALING WITH A TON OF UNKNOWNS.
THERE'S SOME UNKNOWNS WE SUSPECT THAT THEY WOULD FUND, YOU KNOW, THE, THE BASE LEVEL FUNDING WOULD JUST CONTINUE, BUT THERE WOULD BE NO TARGETED GROWTH FOR US TO, TO APPLY TO OUR COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
NOW, THE, THE, UH, FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS ANOTHER, UH, ANOTHER, UM, QUESTION THAT'S OUT THERE AS WELL.
AND I THINK THAT THE STATE, UM, MIGHT BE WAITING FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FROM THEM, UM, AS THEY'RE FORMULATING THEIR BUDGETS.
SO, UM, SO EVERYBODY'S PLAYING A WAITING GAME, AND COULD BE, COULD BE SUPERVISOR CHADRON REAL QUICK, MY UNDERSTANDING WITH THE STATE BUDGET IS IF THEY DON'T PASS THE BUDGET IT RESORTS BACK TO THEIR PREVIOUS YEAR, THAT'S, THAT CONTINUES.
RIGHT? THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE KNOW WE HAVE COMING THEN.
WE SUSPECT THAT THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE COMING.
WELL, WE, WE WE'RE NOT PLANNING FOR A, A, A CUT, I GUESS.
YEAH, THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE A NIGHTMARE SCENARIO, BUT SURE.
BUT WE'RE NOT PLANNING FOR THAT.
SO, AND THE REVENUE SHARING OF THE SALES TAX WILL CONTINUE, CORRECT? CORRECT.
THAT'S, UM, ASSUMED IN OUR, UM, COST TO CONTINUE NUMBER.
OUR LAST ITEM IS 2025 ORDINANCE, UH, TAX DEED SALES 49 DASH 10 MOTION BY SUPERVISOR CHADRON, SECOND BY SUPERVISOR SICE.
UM, THIS WILL BE EXPLAINED AS WE GO THROUGH IT BY ATTORNEY STERN.
ALRIGHT, SO WE HAVE, UH, BEFORE YOU A BRAND NEW SHINY HOT OFF THE PRESS TAX DEED ORDINANCE, WHICH WILL HAVE THE EFFECT OF REPEALING
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THE CURRENT ORDINANCE, UH, WHICH IS LOCATED IN CHAPTER 49 OF THE CODE, AND REPLACE IT WITH WHAT YOU SEE BEFORE YOU.UM, AND I'M GONNA GIVE YOU JUST A KIND OF A QUICK SORT OF OVERVIEW OF THIS NEW ORDINANCE AND WHAT IT DOES, AND GIVE YOU A LITTLE CONTEXT FOR IT.
UH, THIS ORDINANCE, UH, SPRINGS FROM 2023, ACT 2 0 7, ACT 2 0 7 WAS, UH, WAS PASSED AND SIGNED BY THE GOVERNOR IN MARCH OF, UH, 24.
IN RESPONSE TO US SUPREME COURT DECISION THAT CAME DOWN FROM, UH, MINNESOTA.
IT WAS A CASE CALLED TYLER V HENNEPIN COUNTY.
AND IN THAT PARTICULAR CASE, UM, HENNEPIN COUNTY FORECLOSED ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY.
GERALDINE, UH, UM, OWNED GERALDINE.
TYLER WAS HER NAME, AND SHE OWED $15,000 IN BACK TAXES.
THEY TOOK THE CONDO AND THEY SOLD IT FOR $40,000.
AND UNDER MINNESOTA LAW, THE COUNTY WAS ABLE TO KEEP THE ENTIRE $40,000.
GERALDINE SUED BECAUSE SHE SAID THAT THAT $25,000 IN EQUITY THAT SHE HAD WAS HER PROPERTY, AND THAT THE LAW WAS UNCONSTITUTIONAL UNDER THE FIFTH AMENDMENT AND THE EIGHTH AMENDMENT OF THE US CONSTITUTION.
SO IT WAS AN UNLAWFUL TAKING OF HER PROPERTY WITHOUT DUE PROCESS.
UNDER THE FIFTH AMENDMENT, UNDER THE EIGHTH AMENDMENT, WHAT YOU HAD WAS, UH, AN EXCESSIVE FINE, IN OTHER WORDS.
SO THE LOWER COURT SAID, NO, NOT UNCONSTITUTIONAL COUNTY CAN KEEP THE MONEY.
THE, UH, COURT OF APPEALS, FEDERAL COURT OF APPEALS IN THE EIGHTH DISTRICT AGREED WITH THE LOWER COURT AND SAID, YEP, THE COUNTY CAN KEEP THAT MONEY.
BUT THE US SUPREME COURT WEIGHED IN AND UNANIMOUSLY DECIDED NO, THAT WAS AN UNCONSTITUTIONAL TAKING OF GERALDINE'S PROPERTY.
SO WISCONSIN, UP UNTIL ACT 2 0 7, HAD A VERY SIMILAR LAW.
AND THE IDEA WAS THAT THE LEGISLATURE WANTED TO PASS SOMETHING KIND OF QUICK TO GET, UH, US IN LINE WITH THAT US SUPREME COURT DECISION.
AND THAT'S WHERE ACT 2 0 7 COMES FROM.
UM, THE PURPOSE OF THE NEW LAW IS REALLY TWOFOLD.
NUMBER ONE, UH, IT'S TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, THE COUNTY'S NOT GETTING ANY MORE MONEY THAN IT RIGHTFULLY HAS COMING TO IT WHEN IT TAKES A PROPERTY UNDER THE TAX DEED PROCESS OR TAX FOR CLOSURE PROCESS, THAT'S THE FIRST THING.
THE SECOND THING IT WANTS TO DO IS MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S A CLEAR PROCESS FOR HOW A FORMER OWNER OF THE PROPERTY CAN GET THAT PROPERTY BACK, OKAY? AND THAT'S WHAT ACT 2 0 7 ATTEMPTS TO DO.
NOW, THE THING ABOUT ACT 2 0 7, WHAT YOU SHOULD KNOW IS, WHAT I'M GOING TO WALK YOU THROUGH A LITTLE BIT HERE REALLY ONLY PERTAINS TO WHAT THEY CALL SINGLE, SINGLE FAMILY OWNER OCCUPIED RESIDENCES, ALRIGHT? WOULDN'T APPLY TO, LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, A VACANT PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT SOMEBODY OWNS.
THIS LAW WOULDN'T APPLY TO IT.
HOWEVER, WHAT THE LAW DOES SAY IS THAT THE COUNTY HAS THE DISCRETION TO APPLY THIS LAW TO ALL OF THE PROPERTY THAT IT TAKES, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT'S SINGLE, UH, OWNER OCCUPIED.
OKAY? UH, I HAVEN'T, SCOTT'S HERE AND ASHLEY, AND WE WE'RE THE KIND OF THE, UH, THE TRIBE THAT DEALS WITH THESE THINGS, I THINK PROBABLY IT'S, IT WOULD BEHOOVE US TO APPLY THIS PROCESS TO ALL OF THE TAX DEEDS.
IT WOULD CREATE UNIFORMITY FOR US TO WORK WITH.
I WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED IF SOME TIME DOWN THE ROAD, EVEN THESE VACANT LOTS, SOMEBODY'S GONNA FILE A LAWSUIT AND CLAIM THAT THE PROPERTY IS BEING UNLAWFULLY TAKEN IF WE DON'T GIVE BACK THE SURPLUS.
AND QUITE FRANKLY, THERE IS A LAWSUIT GOING ON RIGHT NOW IN THE STATE OF WISCONSIN.
UM, WE ARE A PARTY OF THAT LAWSUIT.
UH, ALL THE COUNTIES ARE BEING SUED.
UM, I DON'T WANNA GET INTO THAT LAWSUIT ON, UH, AN OPEN SESSION HERE, BUT, UM, WE HAVE OUTSIDE COUNSEL.
ALL THE COUNTIES ARE WORKING TOGETHER TO, TO FIGHT THE LAWSUIT, BUT IT'S A VERY SIMILAR LAWSUIT TO THE MINNESOTA CASE ALLEGING WE'VE TAKEN PROPERTY THROUGH THE YEARS.
SO, BUT AGAIN, WE WON'T GET INTO THAT TODAY.
BUT JUST TO GIVE YOU A SORT OF A TASTE FOR, FOR WHAT'S GOING ON, IT'S A VERY SERIOUS, UH, SITUATION.
SO THE NEW LAW ACT 2 0 7 REQUIRED THE COUNTY REQUIRES THE COUNTY, I SHOULD SAY, TO EITHER ADOPT AN ORDINANCE OR PASS A RESOLUTION THAT SPELLS OUT THE NEW REQUIREMENTS IN THE LAW CONCERNING THE DISPOSITION OF TAX DEED, UH, UM, PROCEEDS, BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE AN ORDINANCE ON THE BOOKS, IT SEEMS TO MAKE MORE SENSE, IN MY OPINION, THAT WE PASS A NEW ORDINANCE VERSUS JUST A RESOLUTION THAT GETS STUCK IN A PROCEEDING BOOK THAT PEOPLE MIGHT MISS BY PASSING AN ORDINANCE.
WE HAVE IT RIGHT IN OUR CODE AS TO WHAT THE PROCEDURES ARE, WHAT THE PROCESS IS, AND SOMETHING AS SERIOUS AS TAKING SOMEBODY'S PROPERTY, UH, SHOULD BE CODIFIED SO THAT EVERYBODY CAN TAKE A LOOK AND SEE EXACTLY WHAT THEIR RIGHTS ARE AND WHAT OUR OBLIGATIONS ARE AND SO FORTH.
SO THAT'S WHY I ADVOCATE FOR AN ORDINANCE CHANGE.
WE ALREADY HAD AN ORDINANCE ON THE BOOKS.
THIS CONTINUES THAT PRECEDENT.
I, I THINK IT'S A GOOD PRECEDENT TO HAVE.
NOW, SOME OF THE CHANGES YOU'LL NOTICE IN THIS ORDINANCE, AND, AND IN LOOKING AT IT, IT REALLY IS NOT A VERY LENGTHY ORDINANCE, QUITE HONESTLY, BUT THERE'S SOME
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PARTS OF IT THAT ARE PRETTY IMPORTANT THAT I WANTED TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION THIS AFTERNOON AS WELL.UM, SO ONCE THE, UM, ONCE THE COUNTY INITIATES THE TAX DEED PROCESS, UM, WHAT YOU SHOULD KNOW IN THIS PARTICULAR ORDINANCE IS THAT THE COUNTY BOARD IS DELEGATING THE AUTHORITY TO ACQUIRE AND SELL AND MANAGE THOSE PROPERTIES, DELEGATING THAT AUTHORITY TO THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE.
NORMALLY, WHAT YOU'RE USED TO RIGHT NOW IS SEEING TAX DEED PROPERTIES COME BEFORE I THINK THIS COMMITTEE, AND THEN TO THE COUNTY BOARD FOR DISPOSITION.
BUT UNDER THE NEW LAW, THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE HANDLES ALL OF THAT STUFF, OKAY? ALL OF THAT SALE APPROVES EVERYTHING.
IT PROBABLY DOESN'T SEE THE COUNTY BOARD.
MAYBE A VERY RARE OCCASION PERHAPS, BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, EVERYTHING WILL TAKE PLACE HERE IN FRONT OF EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE.
NOW, ONCE THE COUNTY TAKES PROPERTY BY TAX DEED, SEVERAL WHEELS GO INTO MOTION AT THE SAME TIME OR WALK THROUGH 'EM WITHIN 30 DAYS OF THE ACQUISITION OF THE LAND BY TAX DEED.
UM, THE TREASURER HAS TO GIVE NOTICE TO THE FORMER OWNER THAT HE OR SHE MAY BE ENTITLED TO SOME SURPLUS PROCEEDS.
MEANWHILE, WITHIN 120 DAYS OF THE ACQUISITION, THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE MUST GET TOGETHER AND DETERMINE THE APPRAISED VALUE OF THE PROPERTY.
YOU HAVE TO DETERMINE THE APPRAISED VALUE OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, IN THE PAST WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO YOU SET THE SALE PRICE AT? OKAY? AND USUALLY, I THINK WE'VE SAID IT, ASHLEY, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, AT, AT THE TAXES THAT ARE OWED, OKAY? AND THAT'S WHAT WE WANNA SELL IT FOR, NOT ANY LONGER.
UNDER THE NEW LAW, THE NEW LAW SAYS WE HAVE TO GET AN APPRAISAL OF THAT PROPERTY.
HOW YOU CHOOSE TO DO THAT IS UP TO YOU.
YOU CAN DO IT THROUGH AN APPRAISER.
UM, YOU CAN DO IT THROUGH WHATEVER OTHER MEANS THAT YOU FEEL ARE APPROPRIATE.
WE, WE CAN GET INTO THAT AT SOME POINT DOWN THE ROAD, I SUPPOSE.
BUT WHAT WE HAVE BEEN WARNED IS GOING BY ASSESSED VALUE, WHICH IS OF COURSE, DIFFERENT THAN APPRAISED VALUE.
MOST OF THE TIME MAY NOT BE ADEQUATE, BECAUSE OFTENTIMES ASSESSED VALUE IS GONNA BE LOWER THAN THE APPRAISED VALUE.
SO WE HAVE TO GIVE AN HONEST LOOK AT THIS AND SAY, WHAT ARE THESE PROPERTIES WORTH? AND THEN THAT'S WHAT WE GOTTA SELL IT FOR OR POST IT FOR, I SHOULD SAY.
OKAY? SO THAT'S SOMETHING NEW WITHIN 30 DAYS OF THE ACQUISITION.
HERE'S THE THIRD THING THAT'S GOING ON AT THE TIME, MY OFFICE MUST SEND A LETTER NOTIFYING THE FORMER OWNER OF THE, UM, RIGHT, TO REPURCHASE THE PROPERTY AND HOW TO GO ABOUT DOING THAT IF THEY SO CHOOSE.
AND THE WAY THEY HAVE TO DO THAT IS TO PAY ALL OF THE COUNTY'S EXPENSES RELATED TO TAKING THE PROPERTY AND LISTING IT, AND ALL THOSE THINGS THAT GO ALONG WITH IT.
AND ALSO, OBVIOUSLY, PAY THE PROPERTY TAXES THAT ARE DUE, UH, PRIOR PROPERTY TAXES, THE DELINQUENT PROPERTY TAXES, AND WHATEVER'S CURRENTLY OWED.
NOW, IF THEY ARE ABLE TO REPURCHASE THAT PROPERTY, THEN WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IS CLERK MY OFFICE, WE GIVE THE PROPERTY DEEDED BACK TO THE FORMER OWNER, OKAY? AND IT'S AS SIMPLE AS THAT.
UM, NOW THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A, A POINT OF LAW I WANNA CALL OUT TO YOU IN THIS PROCESS.
AND AGAIN, THESE ARE ALL NEW THINGS IN THE LAW, AND OBVIOUSLY, I, I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GONNA MEMORIZE THIS AND I'M NOT GONNA, YOU KNOW, TEST YOU ON IT LATER, BUT THIS IS JUST TO GIVE YOU A FLAVOR FOR WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE.
UM, WHAT STATE STATUTE SAYS IS THERE'S YET ANOTHER LOOPHOLE THE FORMER PROPERTY OWNER HAS TO JUMP THROUGH BEFORE WE CAN DEED THE PROPERTY BACK.
AND THAT IS, THEY HAVE TO PROVE TO US THAT ANY LIENS ON THAT PROPERTY ARE PAID OFF.
SO IF THERE'S A JUDGMENT A AGAINST THEM BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T PAY A, A, A CREDIT CARD BILL AND THEY WERE SUED AND THERE'S A, A, A LIEN ON THE PROPERTY, AS A RESULT OF THAT UNDER STATE LAW, THEY WOULD HAVE TO SHOW TO US THAT THEY ALSO PAID THAT OFF IN ADDITION TO THEIR TAXES.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, THEY GOTTA PAY OFF EVERYTHING THAT'S OWED ON THAT PROPERTY BEFORE WE CAN GIVE 'EM THE PROPERTY BACK UNDER STATE LAW.
UM, NOW I SAW THAT IN THE, IN THE STATUTE, AND THAT BOTHERED ME.
AND SO I CONTACTED, UH, REPRESENTATIVE ROB BROOKS, WHO SPONSORED AND AUTHORED THIS LEGISLATION AND, UH, ATTORNEY ANDY PHILLIPS WITH THE COUNTY'S ASSOCIATION.
AND I TOLD HIM, I THINK HE GOT A PROBLEM HERE WITH THIS PARTICULAR RULE.
UM, AND LET ME EXPLAIN WHAT THAT PROBLEM IS.
I JOTTED SOME NOTES DOWN ABOUT IT.
UM, IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THAT TYLER DECISION, WHAT IT SAYS IS THE COUNTY ISN'T SUPPOSED TO TAKE ANY MORE MONEY THAN IT HAS COMING TO IT.
SO OUR ROLE IS TO MAKE THE TAXPAYER HOLD BY COLLECTING THOSE PROPERTY TAXES, OKAY? UNDER THE WAY I DRAFTED THIS ORDINANCE, IF THEY PAY THEIR PROPERTY TAXES, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IS ANY PRIOR LIENS THAT WERE ON THAT PROPERTY THAT WERE EXTINGUISHED
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WHEN WE TOOK THE PROPERTY ARE REINSTATED BY LAW.OKAY? UM, WE ARE NOT GONNA BECOME THE COLLECTION AGENCY FOR THE CREDIT CARD COMPANIES, THE, THE HOSPITALS, WHOMEVER, AND TRY TO CHASE AROUND THESE LIENS, FIND OUT WHO'S GOT A LEGITIMATE LIEN, TRY TO FIND OUT IF THE LIEN WAS PAID OFF, TRY TO FIND OUT IF IT WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S SOMETHING WE MISSED.
AND, YOU KNOW, THAT PUTS US IN A PROBLEM WHERE WE'RE EXPENDING RESOURCES AND STAFF TIME AND SO FORTH.
IT REALLY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT THE TAXPAYER OWES, YOU KNOW, TO PAY OFF THAT TAX DEBT THAT THEY HAVE.
UM, AND THE REASON THAT'S IMPORTANT IS 'CAUSE WHEN WE TAKE A PIECE OF PROPERTY BY TAX DEED, WE CREATE A NEW TITLE IN THAT PROPERTY.
SO BY LAW, TYPICALLY ALL OTHER LIENS ARE WIPED OUT EXCEPT FOR MAYBE IRS LIENS AND WE TAKE A PIECE OF PROPERTY, OKAY? AND WHAT THE LEGISLATURE WAS AFRAID OF WAS THAT PEOPLE WERE GOING TO LET THEIR PROPERTY GO INTO TAX FORECLOSURE, WE TAKE IT, WIPE OUT ALL THE LIENS, AND THEN THEY BID ON THE PROPERTY, GET IT BACK, OR PURCHASE IT BACK LIEN FREE.
UM, THAT WASN'T THE INTENTION OF THE LAW.
WHAT I'M SUGGESTED TO THE LEGISLATURE TO ROB BROOKS AND ANDY PHILLIPS WAS THAT, WHY DON'T YOU JUST BUILD WHAT I DID IN OUR ORDINANCE INTO THE LAW? AND THEY AGREED THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.
AND THAT'S WHAT THEY THINK THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA DO THAT.
THEY'RE, WE'RE HOPEFULLY GONNA PUT SOME CLEANUP LEGISLATION TOGETHER.
THEY HAVE SOME BIGGER FISH TO FRY RIGHT NOW WITH BUDGETS AND SO FORTH, BUT SOME OF THAT CLEANUP LEGISLATION IS COMING.
SO WE'RE A LITTLE BIT AHEAD OF THE GAME IN OUR ORDINANCE, BUT THEY ALSO AGREED THAT'S REALLY A BAD DEAL FOR EVERYBODY TO HAVE TO TRY TO CHASE DOWN THESE LIENS.
IT'S ACTUALLY ALSO A BAD DEAL FOR THE CREDITOR, AND IT'S A BAD DEAL FOR THE, THE PROPERTY OWNER, BECAUSE IF THEY DON'T PROVE TO US THAT THOSE LIENS ARE PAID OFF, WE DON'T GIVE THE PROPERTY BACK.
WELL, WHAT HAPPENS IN THAT CASE? WELL, THOSE LIENS ARE WIPED OUT.
SO THE CREDITOR ACTUALLY IS WORSE OFF BECAUSE THEIR LIENS GO AWAY FOREVER.
ALRIGHT? IF WE, IF WE REINSTATE THEM, THEY GET THEIR LIEN BACK.
BUT WHAT'S ALSO BAD IS THE PROPERTY OWNER LOSES THEIR PROPERTY, AND YEAH, THEY SHOULD HAVE PAID THEIR, THEIR PROPERTY TAXES AND SO FORTH, AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE DOING THIS PROCESS.
BUT THE LAW'S INTENDED TO GIVE THEM A CHANCE TO GET THAT PROPERTY BACK.
AND WE'RE NOT IN THE BUSINESS OF TAKING PEOPLE'S PROPERTY FROM 'EM AND PUTTING 'EM OUT ON THE STREETS IF WE CAN HELP IT, RIGHT? WE JUST WANNA GET THE TAXES PAID.
THAT'S WHAT THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THEIR OBLIGATION.
AND WE SHOULDN'T BE TAKING THESE PROPERTIES AND SELLING 'EM OFF TO SOMEBODY ELSE.
THEY SHOULD GET THE, BE ABLE TO GET THE PROPERTY BACK BACK.
I CAN ONLY IMAGINE THE DEVASTATING CONSEQUENCES THAT COULD HAVE TO SOMEBODY IF THEY CAN'T PAY THEIR PROPERTY, BACK PROPERTY, UH, GET THEIR PROPERTY BACK, RATHER BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT SOME LIENS OUT THERE THAT ARE 40, $50,000 THEY CAN'T SATISFY.
THEY'LL COME A TIME FOR THOSE CREDITORS TO, TO SATISFY THOSE LIENS DOWN THE ROAD WHEN THOSE PROPERTIES ARE SOLD IN A, IN ANOTHER FORM, ANOTHER FORUM.
SO EVERYBODY'S A LOSER IN THAT REGARD.
THE LIEN HOLDERS LOSE THEIR LIENS, THE TAXPAYERS LOSE THEIR PROPERTY, AND WE'VE TAKEN SOMEBODY'S PROPERTY REALLY, THAT WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO, TO TAKE UNDER CIRCUMSTANCES WE SHOULDN'T TAKE IT.
SO OUR ORDINANCE DOESN'T DO THAT.
ALRIGHT, SO A LITTLE BIT OF A DETOUR, BUT I WANTED TO EXPLAIN TO YOU HOW THE, HOW THIS WAS WRITTEN AND CHAIRMAN'S LIFE ASKED ME EARLIER TODAY.
WHERE DOES THAT APPEAR? THAT APPEARS IN SECTION, I THINK, WHAT DO WE SAY? THREE C3 IN OUR, IN THE CODE, THE WAY I DRAFTED IT.
UM, NOW LET'S, UH, LET'S SAY FOR EXAMPLE, A PARTY CAN'T PURCHASE THEIR PROPERTY BACK.
WHAT HAPPENS NEXT? WELL, THE PROPERTY GOES TO AUCTION.
WE WORK WITH WISCONSIN SURPLUS.
WHAT THE LAW SAYS NOW IS THAT IF SOMEBODY BIDS LESS THAN THE APPRAISED VALUE, WE CANNOT APPROVE THAT SALE.
WE HAVE TO PUT IT BACK UP FOR AUCTION A SECOND TIME.
AND THEN IF IT COMES BACK FOR LESS THAN THE APPRAISED VALUE, THEN THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE CAN DECIDE TO TAKE THE BID MOST ADVANTAGEOUS TO THE COUNTY AND SELL IT AT THAT POINT.
BUT THIS DOES PUT THIS REQUIREMENT ON US NOW THAT YOU GOTTA SELL IT FOR THE APPRAISED VALUE.
NOTHING LESS THAN THAT, AT LEAST THE FIRST TIME AROUND.
IF THERE ARE SURPLUS PROCEEDS, THEN OF COURSE THE TREASURER IS SUPPOSED TO SEND THOSE PROCEEDS OFF TO THE PRIOR OWNER.
UM, IF WE CAN'T FIND THE PRIOR OWNER AFTER A YEAR, THEN THOSE ARE CONSIDERED ABANDONED FUNDS AND THE COUNTY TAKES 'EM AT THAT POINT.
UM, SO THAT'S HOW THAT WORKS IN TERMS OF WHAT HAPPENS IF WE CAN'T FIND THE PRIOR OWNER.
UM, SO THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT THE NEW LAW LOOKS LIKE.
AND, UM, THERE'S SOME TECHNICALITIES IN HERE THAT ASHLEY AND SCOTT AND I'LL HAVE TO DEAL WITH AS WE MOVE ALONG.
BUT, UM, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HOPING YOU'LL APPROVE AND WE'LL TAKE BEFORE COUNTY BOARD, UH, NEXT MONTH AND GET INTO OUR CODE.
SO SUPERVISOR SCHWAB, THANK YOU.
UM, IN THE INTEREST OF EFFICIENCY MM-HMM
CAN WE GET THE APPRAISAL FIRST BEFORE IT'S AUCTIONED AND POST WHAT THE APPRAISED VALUE IS? OR WE HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL, YOU KNOW, SEE WHAT THE LEGITIMATE BIDS ARE.
I THINK WE GOTTA GET THE APPRAISED VALUE FIRST.
BUT IT'S THE BEST WAY TO DO IT.
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EXPERIMENT A LITTLE BIT WITH THIS AS WE GET GOING THE FIRST TIME SHORTLY, BUT WE'RE GONNA DO WORK TOGETHER, THE THREE OF US, THE BEST WE CAN TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE VERY LITTLE CONCERN, YOU KNOW? YEAH.THE FIRST ONE'S GONNA BE AGONIZING, I IMAGINE.
AND LEARNING CURVE BEHIND THE SCENES.
YOU'D MENTIONED THAT, UH, OFTENTIMES THE ASSESSED VALUE IS LOWER.
THERE ARE A LOT OF COMMUNITIES THAT DON'T FOLLOW UP WITH THE ASSESSORS ON A REGULAR BASIS TO KEEP THEIR, THEIR TAX BASES APPROPRIATE, WHICH HAS A GREATER EFFECT ON, YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY AS, AS IN TAXES AS WELL.
UM, I THINK THIS IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF IF THERE'S ANY WAY THAT THE COUNTY CAN LOOK AT IT, UM, IF WE HAVE TO, IF THIS IS A WAY BY WHICH WE CAN SAY THAT WE HAVE TO DO LEGITIMATE APPRAISALS SO THAT WE ARE COLLECTING THE APPROPRIATE TAXES AS IT AFFECTS COUNTY TAXES, MAYBE THIS ACTUALLY WORKS IN OUR BENEFIT.
I MEAN, WELL, THE, I THAT'S KIND OF A SIDEWAYS WAY OF GOING ABOUT IT.
BUT IT MIGHT WORK IN OUR, IT MIGHT, THE IDEA BEHIND GETTING A A LEGITIMATE APPRAISAL IS THAT THE, THE, ESSENTIALLY THE TERMINOLOGY YOU MIGHT HEAR IS EQUITY THEFT, THAT IF, IF WE UNDERVALUE THE PROPERTY, WE'RE BASICALLY STEALING THE EQUITY OUT OF THESE HOMES, WHICH WAS NOT THE INTENTION, OBVIOUSLY.
SO NO, THAT WOULDN'T BE ATTENTION, RIGHT? MM-HMM
IT MAY BE A SIDE BENEFIT US, RIGHT? YOU'RE RIGHT.
BUT THEN TO BUILD ON THAT, THE COST OF DOING THE APPRAISAL IS PART OF THE FEES WE'RE ALLOWED TO CHARGE, CORRECT? CORRECT.
SUPERVISOR KELLY? UH, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
ONE THING THAT I DID WANT TO MENTION, BECAUSE I I COME FROM A WHOLE FAMILY OF CONTRACTORS, IS A LOT OF TIMES THOSE LIENS ARE COMING FROM CONTRACTORS.
AND, UH, REALLY IT'S ABOUT THE ONLY TOOL THAT THESE SMALL BUSINESSMEN HAVE TO RECOUP THEIR LOSSES, AND USUALLY THEY DON'T.
I MEAN, THEY END UP OUT, UH, SEVERAL THOUSAND DOLLARS BY PEOPLE WHO HAVE CONTRACTORS COME INTO THEIR HOME, GET THE WORK DONE, AND THEN REFUSE TO PAY THEM.
UH, LITIGATION TAKES FOREVER AND IS EXPENSIVE.
AND, YOU KNOW, REALLY THE ONLY THING THEY HAVE IS THE, UM, SO THANK YOU FOR LOOKING OUT FOR THEM.
UH, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK NINE TIMES OUT OF 10, IT'S NOT SOME BIG FANCY BANK, IT'S JUST SOME GUY WITH A VAN WHO PUT A NEW ROOF ON YOUR HOUSE AND OR DID, YOU KNOW, REPAIRED YOUR FURNACE AND AIR CONDITIONING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THEY'RE SMALL BUSINESS PEOPLE THAT NEED OUR PROTECTION AS WELL.
AND THAT'S THE ONLY WAY THEY'RE GONNA COLLECT IS SOMEDAY IF THAT HOUSE IS SOLD TO GET THAT PROPERTY OUTTA THAT, GET THAT LIEN OUTTA THAT SALE.
BUT IF WE WIPE 'EM OUT AND THEY DON'T GET IT BACK, THEY'RE OUT.
AND IT COULD BE 20 YEARS BEFORE THEY EVEN SEE A DIME OF THAT MONEY.
AND THEN THE LIEN ONLY LASTS SO LONG, YOU HAVE TO RENEW IT IN CERTAIN CASES AND MAYBE YOU FORGET AND TIME PASSES BY AND YEAH.
AND THE LIEN IS FOR A SPECIFIC AMOUNT.
IF IT, IF YOU WAIT 10 YEARS, YOU DON'T GET INTEREST, YOU DON'T GET ANY BENEFIT FROM INFLATION, YOU JUST GET THE AMOUNT.
WELL, IT DEPENDS IF THERE'S A JUDGMENT, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES THERE'LL BE INTEREST TACKED ONTO THAT AND SO FORTH.
BUT I JUST THINK IT, THE WAY THE LAW WAS WRITTEN, IT JUST SETS EVERYBODY UP TO LOSE.
AND I DID CALL THAT OUT AND, AND WHEN I TALKED TO, UH, REPRESENTATIVE BROOKS ABOUT IT, HE SAID, OH, HE SAID, YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT.
WE DIDN'T THINK OF IT THAT WAY.
SO, UM, THEY ARE GONNA REPAIR IT AT SOME POINT.
SO IS OUR ORDINANCE DIRECTLY IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE LAWS? IT'S WRITTEN OUT, NO, BUT I THINK WHAT WE'RE DOING IN PASSING, THIS ACTUALLY PROTECTS THE COUNTY.
SO ONCE AGAIN, WASHINGTON COUNTY'S IN THE LEAD.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS? I THINK I GOT IT DONE RIGHT THERE.
ANY OPPOSED? PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
THANK YOU FOR THE EXCELLENT INTERPRETATION,
THAT CONCLUDES OUR BUSINESS TONIGHT.
OUR NEXT MEETING DATE IS MAY 21ST, 2025 AT 4:00 PM THIS MEETING'S ADJOURNED.
YEAH, FRIDAY'S GOOD BECAUSE SUNDAY'S COMING, RIGHT? YEAH.
IT'S JUST, IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT'S EASTER.
IT'S LIKE LENT WENT BY SO FAST.
I GUESS I'VE JUST BEEN SO BUSY.
THE DAYS ARE JUST KIND OF BLEND TOGETHER.
YEAH, I, I ACTUALLY GOT HIS CONTACT INFO.
AND I BEEN, I WAS EMAILING, UH, THE CLERK AND I SAID,
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YOU KNOW WHAT, I WAS GONNA CONTACT BOB, BUT I'LL JUST BRING IT UP AT THE MEETING TOMORROW.SEE WHAT THEY, THAT'S SO INTEL I WANT.
BECAUSE IF I, IF I GET THAT, I'M GONNA SHARE IT WITH THE BOARD AND SAY, HERE'S WHERE WE'RE AT, HERE'S WHAT THEY'RE TELLING ME.
YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IT'S WHOEVER REPRESENTS THE DISTRIBUTION TO SHARE WITH EVERYBODY WITH, OR SOMEBODY.
WELL, LIKE SCOTT SAID, THEY COULD PARK ACROSS THE YEP.
I MEAN, GRANTED, THEY GOT THE MILL THERE AND THE BIG TRUCKS ARE RUNNING DURING THE DAY.
BUT, BUT I THINK THEY'RE GONNA PARK OVER NIGHT.
THEY WOULD BE AT NIGHT MOSTLY WHEN THE MILLS CLOSED AND YEAH.
OOH, I'LL TAKE, I'LL TAKE MIKE'S TURTLE TOO.
WHAT THE HECK? I PROBABLY SHOULD.
GET GOTTA, OTHERWISE IT JOINS HER CAR ABOUT TO BLOW IT.
DON'T, I DON'T HAVE MY, MY BLOOD SUGAR CHOLESTEROL BEEN, SEE GUYS, YOU THERE? THANK YOU.
HE POSTED A WIFE THOUGH, BETTER ON HER HIPS THAN MINE.
GOD, I HOPE THE CAMERA'S OFF
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YEAH.[10:06:26]
WHAT IF YOU COULDN'T, SO THEN WHAT ARE WE SUPPOSED TO DO TOMORROW? WE GOT NOTHING TO, THERE'S NO, OR HIGH WATER.[10:18:32]
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