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ALL IN THIS COUNTRY, BUT YOU KNOW HOW YOU GET THE PHONES.SORRY FOR YOU GUYS WAITING SCAMS AND STUFF.
WE'LL BRING THIS PUBLIC WORKS COMMITTEE MEETING TO ORDER.
UM, EVERYBODY'S HERE EXCEPT SUPERVISOR ICK, WHO IS EXCUSED.
AND THIS, UH, MEETING WAS POSTED AS REQUIRED BY STATE LAW.
I'LL STAND FOR A MOMENT OF PRAYER AND PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
ALL RIGHT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE MEETING MINUTES.
DID EVERYBODY REVIEW 'EM? ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS, CHANGES? SEEING NONE, WE'LL POST THEM AS READ.
WE'LL MOVE ON TO DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ITEMS THREE, A HIGHWAY QUARTERLY REPORT.
DID EVERYBODY TAKE A LOOK AT THE MAPS AND STUFF IN HERE TOO? I THINK THAT'S ALL PART OF THIS, RIGHT? NO, THAT'S, IS THAT SEPARATE? THAT'S A DIFFERENT ITEM, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND JOSH, YOU WANNA TAKE THE, UH, QUARTERLY REPORT HERE? YEAH.
UM, JUST A LITTLE UPDATE ON, ON WHERE WE'RE AT WITH A FEW THINGS HERE.
UH, FIRST ITEM WAS THE TRANSPORTATION NETWORK SUSTAINABILITY PLANS, UH, FOR THE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS.
TECHNICALLY IT'S, IT'S OFF, IT'S SHOWN AS OFF TRACK, BUT WE, A LOT OF THIS HINGES ON THEIR SCHEDULES AND LOCAL APPROVALS AND, AND THAT KIND OF PROCESS.
SO WE DO HAVE THREE FINISHED, UH, VILLAGE E KIOWAS, TOWN OF FARMINGTON, CITY OF WEST BEND, AND JUST WAITING ON FINAL APPROVAL FROM CITY OF HARTFORD ON THEIRS.
UM, AND THEN ALSO ANOTHER PIECE TO THAT PUZZLE IS YESTERDAY WE HAD OUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT TRANSPORTATION DISCUSSION, UH, HOSTED AT THE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT.
SO WE HAD MOST OF THE MUNICIPALITIES FROM WASHINGTON COUNTY REPRESENTED THERE.
AND THIS WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HIGHLIGHTED AS PART OF THAT MEETING.
UM, SO THERE IS GONNA BE SOME ADDITIONAL INTEREST.
UM, AND SO WE'LL KEEP, WE'LL CONTINUE TO KEEP WORKING WITH THEM AS THEIR SCHEDULES AND, AND OUR SCHEDULES LINE UP.
AND WE'LL KEEP CHIPPING AWAY AT THIS ONE.
UH, NEXT ONE IS THE INTERSECTION SAFETY ANALYSIS.
AS YOU KNOW, A FEW MONTHS AGO WE WERE HERE AND PRESENTED OUR, OUR SECOND DRAFT OF THAT PLAN.
UM, SO NOW IT'S ONTO, UH, CREATING LOCAL PLANS AS INTEREST COMES UP.
SO AGAIN, THIS IS PART OF THE YESTERDAY'S MEETING AS WELL.
UM, SO THERE WAS SOME INTEREST THAT DID COME OUT OF THAT MEETING.
UH, SO AS THAT ALL COMES TOGETHER, WE'LL TRY TO PRIORITIZE LOCAL PLANS HERE, UM, IN THE BEST WAY POSSIBLE AND, AND, AND START PRODUCING THOSE.
AND THEN FINALLY, SAME THING FOR THE ROADWAY PLANS.
NOW THAT OUR COUNTY PLAN IS DONE HERE, WHICH YOU SAW A FEW MONTHS AGO, SAME THING.
WE'LL CONTINUE TO PRODUCE THOSE HERE AS, AS, AS THEY COME IN AND INTEREST COMES IN, AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO PRIORITIZE.
SO YOU, YOU KNOW, RATHER THAN BE NOT STARTED, IT'S TOO BAD THEY DON'T HAVE, UH, A COLOR.
IT'S, AND THEN IT WILL BE ONGOING FROM, FROM THAT POINT FORWARD TOO, SO.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.
OKAY, MOVING ON TO TRANSIT RIDERSHIP REPORT.
HOW YOU DOING? HELLO, ALRIGHTYY.
LOOKS LIKE IT BUMPED UP A BIT.
NORMAL, UH, SUMMER PEOPLE MOVING AROUND, GOING TO PARTIES AND YEAH, THE NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS ALSO, UH, INCREASED.
AND THERE IS A TYPO THERE ON THE TRIP PURPOSE.
IT SAYS 24, BUT IT SHOULD BE 25.
I THINK THAT WAS JUST A, A COPIER WITH THE TABLE.
BUT I'VE ALSO INCLUDED 2024, UH, DATA AS WELL.
THE REPORT FROM 2024, JUST AS COMPARISON.
I JUST WANT TO THROW SOMETHING OUT HERE AS A THOUGHT.
WITH OBVIOUS INFLATION THAT WE SAW THE LAST FEW YEARS, I'M ASSUMING UBER PRICES HAD TO GO UP.
OBVIOUSLY WE RAISED OUR PRICES CONSIDERABLY FOR ADULTS, RIGHT? BUT WITH ALL THE OTHER, UM, COSTS GOING UP WITH UBER AND RIDE SHARE AND WHATEVER, WHATNOT, ALL, UM, I'M WONDER IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT AGAIN.
SO THEIR PRICES COMPARED TO OUR, YEAH, I MEAN, IS THERE, IS THERE A WAY, DO YOU TRACK AT ALL LIKE WHAT UBER CHARGES OR OTHER TAXI SERVICES? AND, AND THAT WAY IF WE NEED TO REVIEW THIS EVERY YEAR, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY OUR COSTS ARE GONNA GO UPRIGHT AS WE'LL
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SEE IN OUR COST PER SHARE OR PER RIDE GO UP.IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE CAN KIND OF TRACK THAT AND THEN FOLLOW SAME SUIT? I MEAN, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT, I'M SURE SCOTT HAS LOOKED INTO THIS TOO, BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T RATED SPARES IN YEARS AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN REVIEW ON A YEARLY BASIS.
YEAH, WE CAN CLICK, UH, THE UBER FAIRS AS WELL TRACK THOSE, SEE HOW THEY COMPARE TO, TO OUR FAIR STRUCTURE.
I KNOW WE DID THAT IN 20, UH, THREE FOR THE 24, UH, FAIR INCREASE.
SO I'LL INCLUDE THAT IN THE NEXT REPORT.
UH, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, AND, AND GOOD AFTERNOON AS WELL.
UH, IT'S SORT OF SOMETHING WE COULD LOOK AT.
IT'S, IT'S ONE THING TO FIND OTHER PEOPLE'S, UH, PAST FAIRS LIKE ZAKI COUNTY, WAHI COUNTY PRETTY EASY BECAUSE THEY'RE PUBLIC AGENCIES.
UH, FINDING UBER AND LYFT, YOU KNOW, FARES FROM TWO OR THREE YEARS AGO MIGHT BE A, A CHALLENGE TO SAY THE LEAST.
I THINK BECAUSE A LOT OF 'EM ARE ON DEMAND AS WELL.
THEY'RE NOT JUST A CONSISTENT, YOU GO FROM POINT A TO POINT B.
IT MIGHT BE ONE, YOU KNOW, FAIR AT ONE POINT IN TIME IN A WEEKEND.
UM, IN A WEEKDAY IT MIGHT BE A DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, DOLLAR AMOUNT.
SO YEAH, UNDERSTOOD IT BE VERY HARD TO, TO COMPARE YEAR TO YEAR.
UH, CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK AT AT OUR NUMBERS.
AND, AND YOU HAD, YOU HAD REFERENCED, UH, THE FAIRES IN GENERAL.
IT'S CERTAINLY WITHIN YOUR PURVIEW OF PUBLIC WORKS COMMITTEE TO LOOK AT THE FAIRES, UH, AS OFTEN OR AS LITTLE OFTEN AS, AS YOU'D LIKE, UH, TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES.
SO YES, IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN BRING BACK AT, UH, AT YOUR DISCRETION.
WELL, I, I MEAN, I WAS THINKING AGAIN, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE WEEKEND THING, WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO CONTINUE WEEKENDS OR NOT.
UH, JOSH SCHULMAN, UH, MADE A COMMENT THAT THE COSTS AREN'T THAT HIGH.
IS IT SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY WANT TO TACKLE OR IS IT NECESSARY? OKAY.
WELL HOW ABOUT IF WE LOOK AT ANOTHER AVENUE THEN AND MAYBE LOOK AT RAISING RATES AGAIN? I MEAN, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A BIG CHUNK.
IT COULD BE A QUARTER OR SOMETHING, OR, OR AGAIN, OR WE JUST LOOK AT THE ADULT RATES AND ONLY RAISE THOSE.
SO I GUESS I JUST WANNA KEEP THAT DOOR OPEN.
WE GOT A BUDGET COMING UP HERE THIS YEAR, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD BE THINKING ABOUT JUST SUPERVISOR.
MS. SP LOOKING AT, UH, OPERATIONAL STATISTICS.
MARCH IT, THE TRIPS WENT UP, BUT THE COST PER TRIP WENT DOWN.
DO WE KNOW WHAT DROVE THAT? I MEAN, IT, IT TRIPS WENT UP 50 TO 51 0 6, BUT THE COST PER TRIP WENT DOWN, WHICH, I MEAN, IT'S GOOD.
I JUST WAS JUST CURIOUS IF WE HAD AN IDEA OF WHAT DROVE THAT LOWER COST.
UH, IF IT WAS GRANT OFFSETS OR SOMETHING.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE THE, THE COST, UH, STILL WENT UP IN, IN MARCH, BUT IT WAS JUST THE, THE HIGHER RIDERSHIP THAT DROVE THAT COST PER TRIP DOWN MULTIPLE RIDERS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, MAYBE, OR YES.
WHEN, WHEN YOU'RE OPERATING A SHARED RIDE TAXI, IF YOU HAVE TWO PEOPLE IN THE VEHICLE GOING TO THE SAME DIRECT, SAME TIME, THAT HELPS US OUT A LOT.
AND THAT'S PART OF THE COMPUTER SOFTWARE.
SO CORRECT THAT THE MORE RIDERS WE HAVE TYPICALLY SPEAKING, THE MORE THAT ARE ACTUALLY SHARED RIDES AND ACTUALLY THEN THE COST PER RIDE GOES DOWN.
YOU CAN IMAGINE IF YOU'RE TAKING ONE PERSON FROM HARTFORD TO WEST BEND, BUT NOW YOU'RE TAKING TWO PEOPLE FROM HARTFORD TO WEST BEND, YOUR COST PER RIDE OBVIOUSLY IS, IS DIMINISHED.
NOT A PERFECT HALF, BUT IT GETS DIMINISHED.
SO THAT'S THAT KIND OF THE, THE LOGIC BEHIND THE SHARED RIDE TAXI IS THAT, UH, THE MORE RIDERS WE HAVE AND THE MORE WE CAN ACTUALLY MERGE THOSE RIDES AND THE, THE COMPANY WE WORK WITH THAT TRIES HARD TO SAY, ALRIGHT, YOU WANT TO GO FROM HARTFORD TO WEST BEND, YOU'RE LEAVING AT SEVEN, MOSTLY LEAVING AT SEVEN 30, CAN WE MERGE THOSE TWO TOGETHER AND STILL GET TO WORK? 'CAUSE IT'S ALL ABOUT THE TIME YOU GET AT YOUR LOCATION MORE SO THAN THE TIME YOU LEAVE THE LOCATION.
SO THEY WORK HARD TO SAY, OKAY, CAN WE GET THOSE TWO TO GET ONTO THE SAME BUS OR MINIVAN TO GET THEM FROM POINT A TO POINT B? UH, AND AS YOU KNOW, WITH A, A LARGER COUNTY, THAT'S NOT ALWAYS THE CASE.
IT'S CHALLENGING AS YOU'LL SEE IN THE MAPS, THAT'LL BE, UH, PRESENT THE NEXT NEXT AGENDA ITEM.
UH, BUT THAT'S WHAT, WHAT HELPS OUR, OUR COST PER RIDE TO GO DOWN.
UH, AND THEN WE GET MORE FARES, RIGHT? DURING THAT, THAT TIME WE GOT TWO PEOPLE PAYING THE SAME FARE FOR BASICALLY THE SAME RIDE.
SO THAT, THAT HELPS THE OVERALL PROCESS.
SCH I ALSO NOTICED THAT IT SEEMS LIKE THE NUMBER USING IT FOR EMPLOYMENT IS KIND OF STAYING STEADY.
SO A THOUGHT ALSO IS ADVERTISE WITH THOSE EMPLOYERS TO MAYBE GET SEVERAL PEOPLE WRITING TO THE SAME EMPLOYER INSTEAD OF JUST ONE OR TWO.
UM, THAT COULD DRIVE OUR COSTS DOWN TOO.
I DON'T KNOW THE MECHANICS OF DOING THAT, BUT JUST A THOUGHT.
YEAH, THERE CAN BE, UH, INCENTIVES, BUT IT, WE HAVE TO AVOID, UH, LIKE A CHARTER, UH, SERVICE.
UH, THE FT WILL NOT REIMBURSE FOR, FOR CHARTER PROGRAMS. SO THE EMPLOYER GOTCHA.
CAN SET UP LIKE A, A VEHICLE AS A SHUTTLE
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THAT EXCLUDE THE PUBLIC, BUT IF, UH, A GROUP OF PEOPLE ALL GOING TO THE SAME PLACE, UH, YOU KNOW, NOT ORGANIZED BY THE EMPLOYER, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD WORK.SO IF THE EMPLOYER HAD AN INCENTIVE, THAT COULD, THAT COULD WORK.
NO OTHER QUESTIONS? I GUESS WE'RE GOOD HERE.
MOVING ON TO THE NEXT ITEM, TRANSIT WEEKEND RIDERSHIP REPORT.
NOW THAT'S THE ONE WITH THE MAPS
AND YES, THERE ARE A LOT OF MAPS AND APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.
BUT I WANT TO THANK OUR, OUR JS DEPARTMENT, ERIC DAMCO, THAT LEADS, THAT DEPARTMENT DID A FANTASTIC JOB, UH, PUTTING THESE MAPS TOGETHER AND CERTAINLY LET, UH, OUR TRANSIT MANAGER CHARLIE, KINDA EXPLAIN THOSE.
BUT I JUST WANTED TO, TO TEE THAT OFF, THAT THIS, UH, THIS CONVERSATION WITH WEEKEND HOURS HAS BEEN BEEN AT THIS COMMITTEE BEFORE.
SO I KNOW THERE'S SOME, SOME BACKGROUND STUFF THAT WE DIDN'T, UH, NECESSARILY INCLUDE IN THIS PARTICULAR REPORT.
BUT, UH, THIS IS ANOTHER WAY TO, TO REPRESENT THAT SAME DATA THAT, THAT YOU'VE SEEN, UH, IN THE PAST IN A MORE OF A TABULAR FORMAT.
BUT NOW TO GIVE IT TO YOU IN A, IN A MAP FORMAT, YOU CAN KINDA SEE WHERE PEOPLE ARE COMING AND GOING AND, AND THEIR DIFFERENT USES.
SO WITH THAT, I'LL, IF YOU'RE OKAY, MR. CHAIRMAN, WE'D HAVE CHARLIE KIND OF EXPLAIN THE REPORT AND GO THROUGH THE MAPS WITH YOU.
UM, JUST ONE QUICK QUESTION HERE.
UM, SO JUST FOR CLARITY, THIS IS FOR ALL OF 2024, RIGHT? THE TOTAL COUNTS.
SO I MEAN, IT JUST SAYS PATRONS 11 PLUS SATURDAY RIDES IN 2024.
YOU'RE, THIS ENCOMPASSES THE WHOLE YEAR, RIGHT? RIGHT.
AND THE 11 PLUS THAT'S BASED OFF OF, SO IN 2020, LET'S SEE, UH, IN THE FEBRUARY, UH, COMMITTEE MEETING, I PRESENTED DATA THAT HAD, UH, THE NUMBER OF SATURDAYS WRITTEN PER PERSON AND ALSO THE NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS, UH, HOW MANY TRIPS THEY TOOK.
SO, UH, HOW MANY DAYS THEY USED IT.
SO THE HIGH USED PEOPLE, 11 PLUS DAYS.
UH, THERE WERE, UH, LET'S SEE, FOR SATURDAY THERE WAS 35 PEOPLE WHO USED IT, 11 PLUS SATURDAYS IN 2024.
SO THAT'S WHAT WAS USED FOR THE, THE SATURDAY MAPS.
THOSE HIGH PEOPLE, NOT THOSE, THOSE ONE OFF, UH, ONE.
IF I COULD JUST INTERJECT TO MAKE THIS A LITTLE EASIER FOR YOU.
ON THE FIRST PAGE OF THE REPORT, UH, THERE ARE TWO SPREADSHEETS AND EVERYBODY CAN SEE THAT FIRST PAGE.
ONE ON THE LEFT IS FOR SATURDAYS.
AND WHAT CHARLIE IS GETTING AT IS, UH, THOSE PEOPLE THAT WROTE IT 11 OR MORE TIMES, WHICH MEANS BASICALLY ONCE A MONTH, RIGHT? RIGHT.
SO WHEN HE GETS TO THE 35, HE'S SAYING THERE WAS 10 THAT WERE 11 THROUGH 15, THEN YOU HAD THE 5, 4, 2, 5, 3, 2, 4.
WHEN HE GET DOWN, THAT'S THE NUMBER HE'S, HE'S REFERRING TO ABOUT THAT 30, WHAT'D YOU SAY? 35 CHARLIE? 30, 35.
THEN YOU CAN GO TO THE SUNDAY.
YOU GOT THE SAME THING 11 AND OVER ARE, YOU KNOW, 4, 1, 2, 2, 4, 1, 1.
BUT TO SHOW THAT OF THE, REMEMBER FROM LAST MONTH OR BACK IN FEBRUARY, EXCUSE ME.
UM, WHEN WE LOOKED AT THOSE NUMBERS, IT'S, UH, THE PERCENTAGE IS ALSO, SO YOU CAN SEE THAT OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE RIDING IT, THERE'S A, ON SUNDAY, THERE'S ONLY ONE PERSON THAT TOOK IT 41 TO 45 TIMES, OR, OR MOSTLY EVERY WEEKEND BEING 52 WEEKENDS IN A YEAR.
51 TECHNICALLY BACK IN, IN 24.
AND SO THAT WAS WHAT YOU'D ASKED FOR LAST TIME, RIGHT? RIGHT.
SO, OKAY, THIS IS HOW MANY PEOPLE ACTUALLY, IF, IF WE ELIMINATED IT, HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE TAKING IT ON A MONTHLY BASIS OR MORE.
UM, AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT THE, THE MAPS AND REPRESENTED IS THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE TAKING A MONTHLY BASIS MORE REALLY NOT ON THE MAPS ON THOSE TWO CHARTS, THE ONE TO FIVE AND THE SIX TO 10 ARE NOT REPRESENTED ON THE MAPS.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S CLEAR OF THAT.
IT'S NOT EVERY TRIP ON SATURDAY AND EVERY TRIP ON SUNDAY.
IT'S ONLY THOSE THAT TOOK IT 11 OR MORE TIMES ON THE WEEKEND.
THE ONES THAT MAY WOULD HAVE THE MOST GREATEST IMPACT IF WE WEEKEND HOURS WERE ELIMINATED THE FREQUENT FLYERS.
YOU WANNA GO THROUGH THE MAPS AND SURE.
SO THE FIRST MAP IS THE SATURDAY EDUCATION MAP.
UH, EXHIBIT A, UH, SO THE, THE MARKERS REPRESENT, UH, LIKELY, UH, DESTINATIONS LIKE SUCH AS BUSINESSES, AND WE DIDN'T ADD A MARKER TO HOMES.
SO THIS IS JUST TO INCLUDE, UH, TOP DESTINATIONS THAT THESE, UH, THESE TRIPS ARE GOING TO.
UH, SO YOU'LL SEE, UH, IN EXHIBIT B ALSO HAVE EMPLOYMENT FOR SATURDAY.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S BUSY IN A, IT'S ALL OVER, UH, A LOT OF, A LOT OF HIGH USE ON, ON SATURDAY FOR EMPLOYMENT.
I'M JUST GONNA PAUSE THERE IF YOU DON'T MIND.
SO IF YOU LOOK, IF YOU BRING UP THE SATURDAY MAP, WHICH IS THE SECOND MAP, YOU A LOT OF LINES ON THERE, UH, LIKE, LIKE CHARLIE SAID, THE BLACK.IS THE, THE
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DESTINATION OR THE LOCATION THAT THEY'RE GOING.THE OTHER END OF THE LINE IS OBVIOUSLY WHERE THEY'RE GETTING PICKED UP.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE LINE, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THEY STARTED AND WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO.
ALSO, THERE'S A COLOR CODING ON THAT MAP IN THE UPPER RIGHT HAND CORNER, A LEGEND, IT WAS ONLY ONE OR TWO TIMES.
AGAIN, IT'S OVER THE PEOPLE OVER 11 TRIPS A YEAR.
SO DON'T GET CONFUSED, BUT IT WAS ONLY ONE OR TWO TIMES THAT LINE WAS PINK.
IT WAS THREE TO FIVE TIMES THE LINE GOT ORANGE, YELLOW, GREEN, BLUE, AND PURPLE IS THE ONES THAT WERE USED THE MOST.
SO YOU CAN SEE ON THAT MAP ON EXHIBIT B THAT THERE IS NO PURPLE.
SO NOBODY THAT USED IT 51 WEEKENDS, ALL WEEKENDS, BASICALLY.
BUT YOU CAN SEE THE PEOPLE THAT WERE USING IT 26 TO 50 TIME OR THAT BLUE LINE, WHERE THEY'RE COMING FROM AND WHERE THEY'RE GOING.
AND IN THE BOTTOM LEFT CORNER OF THAT SAME MAP, UH, IS THAT DESTINATION COUNT.
SO IF YOU WANNA SEE MAP, MAP MAP, SEE WHERE THEY'RE COMING, WHERE THEY'RE GOING IS ONE THING.
BUT THEN IN THE BOTTOM LEFT CORNER, YOU CAN SEE THAT A PERSON WENT TO THE PIGA, WIGGLE IN JACKSON, YOU KNOW, 59 TIMES, 58 TIMES, THAT MIGHT BE MULTIPLE PEOPLE GOING TO THE SAME DESTINATION.
UM, BUT THAT'S WHERE YOU CAN SEE WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO.
AND WHY THAT WAS IMPORTANT TO US WAS THERE WAS CONCERN OR A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHERE ARE THESE PEOPLE GOING ON THE WEEKENDS, RIGHT? WHERE ARE THEY GOING FOR EMPLOYMENT? WHERE ARE THEY GOING FOR ENTERTAINMENT, SOCIAL, AND FOOD.
NOW, IN THE BOTTOM LEFT HAND CORNER, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THEY'RE ACTUALLY GOING.
UM, SO I THINK THAT'S, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TOO THAT NOT YOU CAN SEE WHERE THEY'RE COMING AND GOING FROM WHAT'S YOUR DISTRICT, SOME OTHER DISTRICT, UH, BUT ALSO, UM, WHERE THEY'RE COMING FROM, BUT WHERE THEY'RE, WHERE THEY'RE GOING, AND HOW MANY TIMES THEY'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO THAT LOCATION.
SO, UH, AND AGAIN, I MUST POINT OUT ALL THIS DATA YOU'RE SEEING TODAY IS SELF-REPORTED.
THIS IS NOT OUR DRIVERS SAYING, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALL SELF-REPORTED, BUT IT'S ALSO GOT SOME MATH BEHIND IT, BUT THE COORDINATES OF WHERE WE'RE GOING TO AND DROPPING THEM OFF.
BUT IF THEY TELL US IT'S SOCIAL, BUT THEY'RE GOING FOR WORK, IT GETS TAB AS SOCIAL.
IF IT GETS TAB THAT THEY'RE GOING THERE FOR, FOR MEALS, BUT THEY'RE ACTUALLY WORKING, IT STILL GETS TAB FOR MEALS.
SO JUST PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT OF, UM, FUZZINESS FUZZINESS, THANK YOU
SO, UM, JUST WANT TO POINT THAT OUT TOO, THAT THERE'S A, A LOT OF DATA ON EACH ONE OF THESE MAPS WHEN, AND YOU GET TO THAT, THAT SECOND ONE TOO.
THERE'S, IT'S KIND OF OVERWHELMING IF YOU'RE JUST LOOKING AT IT FOR THE FIRST TIME GOING, THERE'S JUST A LOT OF LINES IN THERE.
YOU GOTTA REALLY LOOK AT GOING, OKAY, HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE GOING FROM, YOU KNOW, ONE PLACE TO ANOTHER.
UM, AND THERE'S ANOTHER MAYBE METHODOLOGY FOR THEM TO GET THERE, BUT THE FIRST MAP'S PRETTY EASY TO SEE WITH JUST THE THREE LINES.
BUT THAT SECOND MAP GETS, GETS COMPLICATED IN, IN A HURRY.
AND, AND, AND CHARLIE'S GONNA ROLL THROUGH THE, THE OTHER MAPS AS WELL.
BUT, UH, WE DIDN'T WANNA BREAK 'EM DOWN.
WE THOUGHT WHEN WE PUT ALL THE INFORMATION ON ONE MAP, YOU COULD IMAGINE IT WAS, IT WAS A NIGHTMARE.
UM, AND SO BY DIVIDING 'EM UP INTO DIFFERENT CATEGORIES, IF YOU WILL, BASED ON, ON THE, THE RIDE, UM, PURPOSE, UM, IT SEEMED TO ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, MAKE ITSELF A, A PRETTY GOOD MAP, UM, BECAUSE YOU GOT MEALS AND, AND EMPLOYMENT, SOCIAL, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
THAT'S WHY WE SEPARATED OUT AND APOLOGIZED FOR THE NUMBER OF MAPS.
BUT FOR US, IT MADE SENSE BECAUSE WE, HE DID THE FIRST ONE, HE PUT 'EM ALL ON ONE MAP, HE JUST COULDN'T SEE A THING.
WELL, JOSH MADE A COMMENT THAT, AND AGAIN, THIS IS A, A CONVERSATION I HAD WITH THE EXECUTIVE, UM, THAT THE CITY OF WEST BEND HAS THEIR OWN, UM, TAXI.
RIGHT? AND WE CAN'T DUPLICATE THAT.
BUT IS IT TRUE, I MEAN, I SEE A LOT OF ACTIVITY HERE IN THE CITY OF WEST BEND.
IS THAT BECAUSE THERE'S PEOPLE COMING FROM OUT OUTSIDE OF THE CITY THAT GO INTO THE CITY THEN? YES.
IF, IF YOU LOOK AT THOSE LINES, MOST OF THE LINES START OUTSIDE THE CITY.
SO THAT'S WHAT THE CITY CANNOT DO, RIGHT? CORRECT.
NOW, CAN THE CITY GIVE THEM A RIDE BACK HOME THOUGH? IF THEY START? SO ANYTHING OUT OF THE CITY, THE CITY CAN'T DO WITHIN A, THERE'S A, OF COURSE, THERE'S, IT'S, THERE'S ALL AS THE CAVEATS, RIGHT? THERE'S A LITTLE FRINGE AROUND THE CITY, RIGHT.
SO IF THEY'RE WITHIN ONE TO TWO MILES, I THINK ONE TO TWO MILES, IT'S POSSIBLE THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED TO, BUT IT'S POSSIBLE.
SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF, OF CHALLENGE THERE TOO.
BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THOSE, IF YOU LOOK IN THE SECOND MAP IN THE CITY, WEST BEND, YOU SEE A LOT OF BLACK DOTS THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE CITY.
THAT'S, AGAIN, THAT'S THE DESTINATION, THAT'S THE PLACE THEY'RE GOING TO FOR EMPLOYMENT.
AND YOU SEE MOST OF THOSE LINES, WHERE DO THEY START? THEY START OUTSIDE OF THE CITY, WEST BEND.
YOU DON'T SEE TOO MANY LINES THAT ARE STARTING TO END INTO BOTH CITY WEST BEND, BECAUSE THANKFULLY THAT'S WHAT THE CITY DOES, AND WE SHOULDN'T BE DOING THAT.
SO IT'S NICE TO SEE A CHECK ON THE DATA AS WELL.
BUT THESE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF THAT AREA THEY'RE GOING THROUGH.
AND, AND AGAIN, IF THEY TAB THEIR RIDE BACK HOME AS I'M GOING HOME FOR SOMETHING ELSE AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S EMPLOYMENT, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY THEIR HOME, THERE'S A BLOCK DOWN ON BOTH ENDS.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF DATA TO GO THROUGH AND GO THROUGH AND MAKE SURE EVERYTHING WAS, WAS PERFECT ON IT.
UH, BUT I THINK ERIC DID A REALLY NICE JOB OF, OF TRYING HIS BEST TO, TO MAKE SURE THE DATA IS CLEAN AS POSSIBLE.
BUT THAT'S WHERE IF YOU GO DOWN TO THE BOTTOM LEFT, AND YOU KNOW, IF YOU, YOU SEE THERE'S A CERTAIN ONES THAT ARE AT 26 TO 50 RANGE THAT ARE BLUE, AND YOU CAN LOOK DOWN THERE WHICH ONES ARE ABOVE THAT LINE TO 2026 TO 50,
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YOU CAN LOOK AT THOSE LOCATIONS, UM, YOU CAN SEE, YEP.THERE'S A CORRESPONDING BLACK.TO THAT, SO MM-HMM
IF CHARLIE WANTS TO GO ON TO EXHIBIT C, THEN SURE.
WHICH IS VERY, VERY LOW ON THAT
EXHIBIT C FOR, UH, MEAL PURPOSE, UH, ONLY ABOUT FOUR DESTINATIONS.
THERE AGAIN, THERE'S, THERE'S AN EXTRA BLACKTOP THAT LIKELY HAS TO DO WITH, UH, A HOME ADDRESS.
UH, IT, UH, IT HAD TO SEPARATE THE DATA FOR THE, THE ADDRESS.
UH, SOME HOMES HAD A NAME LISTED INSIDE, SO THE, THE PARSING KIND OF, UH, INCLUDED THOSE AS A MARKER.
THAT, THAT WAS, UH, JUST A DATA.
UH, THERE'S ALSO AN ERROR ON THAT MAP WHERE IT SHOWS BURGER KING, THE TWO, TWO RIDES, BURGER KING IN THE FAR RIGHT LOWER CORNER.
THAT'S ACTUALLY WHERE THE CITY OF MILWAUKEE'S DUMP IS.
UM, BURGER KING IS, UM, ON HOW AQ, UM, RIGHT NEAR MCDONALD'S AND ARBY'S.
SO THERE, LIKE I SAID, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF PROBLEMS SOMETIMES WITH, WITH MAPPING FUNCTIONS, BUT, UH, I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT BURGER KING IS NOT IN THAT LOCATION.
AND BOY, I'M SURPRISED THAT, I'M ACTUALLY SURPRISED THAT MEDICAL, ALTHOUGH THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE ON THE WEEKENDS, MEDICAL WOULDN'T BE THAT BUSY.
SATURDAY, SATURDAY AGAIN, AND OVER 11 TRIPS.
REMEMBER THOSE TWO COMBINATION THINGS GOING ON? SURE.
EXHIBIT D IS, UH, SATURDAY MEDICAL, AND THEN EXHIBIT E IS, UH, SATURDAY SHOPPING, AND EXHIBIT F IS SATURDAY.
SOCIAL AND SOCIAL IS A PRETTY, IT'S A SELF-REPORTED CATEGORY.
IT'S A PRETTY BIG, UH, PRETTY BIG CATEGORY THERE.
AND EXHIBIT G IS, UH, NOW WE'RE ONTO SUNDAY.
THE NEXT FOR SUNDAY IS, UH, MEAL EXHIBIT H.
THE NEXT IS EXHIBIT I, UH, SUNDAY FOR SHOPPING.
AND LAST IS, UH, EXHIBIT J FOR SUNDAY, WHICH IS, UH, SOCIAL.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE YOU GOT A LINE THERE THAT GOES ALL THE WAY TO, UH, OZAKI COUNTY FOR, FOR THAT.
YEAH, IT, IT WAS INTERESTING TO FIND OUT THAT, UH, NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE USING IT FOR, I'LL CALL IT, UH, TAVERN USE.
UM, IF YOU LOOK AT IT FOR THAT TYPE OF SOCIAL USE, UM, WHEN YOU LOOK AT, AT, AT, ACTUALLY THE, THE SELF-REPORTING, BUT IF THEY DON'T SELF-REPORT AS WHAT CATEGORY IT IS, THE LOCATION IS, IS CHOSEN THROUGH THE PROGRAM.
SO, UM, SO THAT, AND THEN AGAIN, THAT, UH, IS PROBABLY JUST POINTED OUT, YOU KNOW, UH, A FEW RIDES TO OZAKI COUNTY, BUT NOT LIKE EVERY SATURDAY, SUNDAY AND ALL THAT STUFF.
SO, AGAIN, THERE COULD BE SOME THAT WERE UNDER THE, THE 11TH THRESHOLD TOO THAT WENT INTO OZAKI COUNTY.
UH, BUT OVERALL, WE, WE FELT IT WAS, IS A GOOD WAY TO, TO REPRESENT THE DATA.
I KNOW IT'S A LOT, LOT TO LOOK AT WITH BOTH LOCATIONS, THE MAP, UH, THE LINE WIDTH, THE LINE COLOR, AND THE, UM, THE TAB IN THE BOTTOM CORNER.
BUT I THINK THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO GET ALL THE INFORMATION IN YOUR HANDS THAT WE, WE POSSIBLY CAN TO SHOW YOU, UH, WHAT THOSE, UH, MORE FREQUENT USERS OF, OF THE, THE SHARED DRY TEXTURES ON THE WEEKENDS, WHERE THEY'RE COMING FROM, WHERE THEY'RE GOING, UM, AND, AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE SELF-REPORTED, UH, USE FOR THAT.
I'M JUST NOT SURE WHAT TO DO WITH IT RIGHT NOW.
IT, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A LOT TO DECIPHER THERE, THERE'S NO DOUBT ABOUT IT.
WHEN PEOPLE WANNA KNOW, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE GOING TO CHURCH ON A WEEKEND? DON'T.
NOW YOU CAN KIND LOOK AT IT AND SAY, OKAY, THESE ARE, THESE ARE WHERE THEY'RE GOING.
OR THEY'RE MAYBE VISITING A, YOU KNOW, ELDERLY HOME OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO YOU CAN KIND OF GET A MORE FEEL FOR WHAT ARE THESE PEOPLE ACTUALLY DOING? AND FOR ME IT WAS THE COMFORT LEVEL.
NO, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT GOING, WE'RE NOT SENDING, YOU KNOW, 50 TIMES GOING TO A LOCAL TAVERN.
ANOTHER, SOME IN THERE, THEY'RE GOING TO AN APPLEBEE'S OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT A LOT OF 'EM ARE FOR EMPLOYMENT OR STUFF.
SO WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE DATA, WE WERE, UM, PLEASANTLY SURPRISED WITH, WITH WHERE THE PEOPLE ARE GOING, UH, WITH WITHIN THOSE CATEGORIES, UH, KNOWING THAT YES, MEDICAL'S AN OPTION.
SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, ELIMINATING WEEKEND HOURS, AT SOME POINT YOU CAN KIND OF TELL, OKAY, WE'RE NOT IMPACTING MEDICAL TOO MUCH.
WE'RE NOT IMPACTING MEALS TOO MUCH.
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HOW ARE WE IMPACTING THAT? EMPLOYMENT? EMPLOYMENT AND CHURCH.UM, SO I THINK THAT WAS, UM, SOME GOOD DATA TO PUT IN YOUR HANDS TO LOOK AT.
UM, THAT WHETHER YOU DECIDE TO, TO PURSUE THAT OR NOT, THAT'S, THAT'S YOUR PURVIEW.
UM, OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL MONTHS AS WE START GETTING INTO THE BUDGET SEASON.
UH, YOU MENTIONED EARLIER ABOUT DECISION POINTS AND, UM, WHETHER EVEN IT'S NOT THIS YEAR, YOU'RE LOOKING AT WEEKEND RATES, BUT WEEKEND HOURS.
BUT IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU ARE LOOKING AT INTO THE FUTURE AS FAR AS THE NEXT BUDGET CYCLE IS CONCERNED, WE DO HAVE A, A REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS GOING OUT THIS YEAR FOR OUR SHARED OUR TAXI SERVICE.
THIS IS THE LAST YEAR OF OUR CONTRACT.
SO, UH, WE MIGHT BE COMING WITH YOU SOME FROM OUR, SOME IDEAS FROM A BUDGET STANDPOINT OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL MONTHS, UH, TO SEE WHAT YOU, UM, IS PALATABLE TO YOU AS OPTIONS WE SHOULD CONSIDER AND LOOK AT.
AND ONES WE SHOULDN'T, A LOT OF THEM INCLUDE PUBLIC MEETINGS, PUBLIC HEARINGS, EXCUSE ME.
UH, THAT WOULD COME BEFORE THE BOARD.
OBVIOUSLY IF WE ELIMINATE WEEKEND HOURS, THAT WOULD BE A, A PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, NEED, NEED FOR THAT BEFORE WE DID THAT.
SO, UM, WITH THAT, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I, I, I, I THINK HOPEFULLY WE SATISFIED THE, THE, THE QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED BY THE COMMITTEE OF, OF WHERE PEOPLE ARE GOING, WHERE THEY'RE COMING FROM, UH, THE AMOUNT OF TRIPS THAT, THAT THEY'RE TAKING, THAT WAS, WAS ASKED.
AND I AGAIN, COMMEND OUR, OUR GS DEPARTMENT TO TAKING THE LEAD ON THIS AND, AND DOING A, A REALLY GREAT JOB, I THINK, OF TRYING TO PROVIDE THAT DATA IN THE, THE, THE BEST WAY WE WE CAN POSSIBLY TO GET IT TO YOU.
NO, I, I THINK THE DATA'S GREAT AND I MEAN, IT, IT CERTAINLY HELPS US FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY'RE USING IT FOR AND NOT ABUSING IT AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
UM, BUT LIKE I SAID, WHERE WE GO FROM HERE, IT'S STILL KIND OF SUBJECTIVE, RIGHT? WHAT DO WE WANT TO DO? UH, THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT UP IN THE BEGINNING ABOUT CAN WE RAISE FARES AGAIN? AND, AND AT WHAT POINT IS THAT ABOVE THAT 10% THRESHOLD WHERE WE HAVE TO GO TO A PUBLIC HEARING AGAIN, UH, I GUESS IS SOMETHING THAT I'D WANT US TO CONSIDER.
SO, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OH, I'M LOOKING AT SHOPPING SUNDAY.
WHAT IS THAT? AUTUMN OAKS IS AN ELDERLY HOME.
AGAIN, THEY SELF-REPORT AS SHOPPING.
IF THEY SELF-REPORTED AS MEALS, IT WOULD SHOW UP AT MEALS.
'CAUSE THERE ISN'T A MEALS ONE IN THERE TOO FOR AUTUMN OAKS.
UH, WE JUST DIDN'T CALL AUTUMN OAKS UP.
I DON'T THINK YOU CAN DO SHOPPING THERE.
BUT THEY GO THERE FOR MEAL, MEAL, MEAL.
AND THEY JUST TELL THE PERSON ON THE PHONE, I'M GOING SHOPPING.
IT, IT, WE DON'T DISCOURAGE A RIDE OR YOU DON'T DISCRIMINATE.
NOT DISCRIMINATE BECAUSE THEY CHOSE ONE CATEGORY OVER THE OTHER.
THERE WAS ALSO ONE IN THERE, I REMEMBER TO COLIN'S DECK BAR THAT WAS, UM, WHAT WAS THAT ON MEDICAL? IT WAS CALLED MEDICAL AND IT WENT TO COLLIN'S DECK BAR
SO SOMETIMES THAT'S MEDICATION MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO ARGUE THAT TOO.
UH, SO, BUT THAT'S WHY I SAY THE DATA IS, IS IT'S SELF-REPORTED.
MOST PEOPLE, BECAUSE WE DON'T CARE WHERE THEY'RE GOING FOR IT.
WE JUST HAVE TO REPORT THAT ON UP AND REPORT IT TO YOU.
UH, SO THERE'S REALLY NO BENEFIT FOR THEM TO, TO MISINTERPRET IT OR, OR LIE.
BUT ON OCCASION THEY MIGHT JUST MAKE A MISTAKE OR JUST, THAT'S WHAT THEY'VE ALWAYS SAID AND THEY JUST, OR IT'S IN THE SYSTEM COMPUTER AND THEY JUST DID IT.
SUPERVISOR HARWICK, I HAVE ONE QUESTION TO ASK SCOTT.
YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU COME UP TO A CONSTRUCTION AREA, CONSTRUCTION AREA WHERE THEY'RE WORKING, THEY HAVE CLOSED, PUT YOUR FOUR ON WHEN YOU'RE GOING THROUGH IT.
WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT AFTER THE MEETING.
'CAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT'S REALLY ON THE AGENDA FOR THIS, BUT, OKAY.
WE'LL MOVE ON TO, UH, WORK ZONE AWARENESS WEEK.
SCOTT, YOU GOT THE LEAD ON THIS AGAIN? I'LL TAKE THIS ONE.
UH, SO OBVIOUSLY WORK ZONE SAFETY IS A, A VERY IMPORTANT TOPIC AND YOU'RE AND DEAR TO THE HEARTS OF THE PEOPLE IN THE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT.
UM, SO EACH YEAR WE GET ON BOARD, THIS IS A NATIONAL PROMOTION.
UM, SO WE, WE, THE, THE COUNTIES AND THE WISCONSIN COUNTY HIGHWAY ASSOCIATION, THEY DO A BIG PUSH TO PROMOTE WORK ZONE SAFETY AWARENESS WEEK.
UH, SO THAT IS NEXT WEEK, UM, IN 2025.
UM, SO AS YOU CAME INTO THE BUILDING THIS AFTERNOON, YOU MIGHT HAVE SEEN SOME POSTERS MM-HMM
THERE'S A TEMPLATE THAT'S PUT OUT THERE AND SHARED BY COUNTIES AND YOU CAN PLUG YOUR PICTURES INTO IT AND CUSTOMIZE IT FOR YOUR OWN COUNTY.
IT'S, IT'S REALLY A COOL THING.
AND, UH, SO WE, WE DO WHAT WE CAN TO PROMOTE IT, UH, WITHIN OUR, WITHIN OUR RESOURCES HERE AND PUT THE POSTERS UP.
WE DO A SOCIAL MEDIA PUSH, UM, NEXT WEEK.
UH, SO WE ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO WEAR ORANGE AND YOU CAN SHARE, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF, A LOT OF COUNTY DEPARTMENTS GET ON BOARD WITH THAT TOO AND TAKE A PICTURE
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AND PUT IT OUT ON SOCIAL MEDIA.AND IT'S A REALLY GOOD THING THIS TIME OF YEAR, JUST AS A REMINDER TO SLOW DOWN AND, AND BE SAFE AND PUT THE PHONES DOWN AS YOU'RE GOING THROUGH WORK ZONES.
'CAUSE THERE'S, THERE'S REAL LIVES IN THERE THAT, THAT DEPEND ON BEING RESPONSIBLE DRIVER.
SO WE DO WHAT WE CAN WITHIN OUR POWER TO HELP PROMOTE THAT.
CAUSE UH, THIS YEAR'S TOPIC IS, OR THE, THE PHRASE IS RESPECT THE ZONE SO WE ALL GET HOME.
UM, SO ANYBODY THAT'S PAYING ATTENTION TO THIS MEETING, IF YOU CAN HELP PROMOTE IT, WE'D APPRECIATE IT.
SO I WAS GONNA SAY THAT MIGHT PUT BOB, IS THAT ALLOW YOU TO ANSWER HIS QUESTION THEN I SHOULD HAVE MEANT AFTER ME THAT NEXT TOPIC.
SO SUPERVISOR HARTWICK, DID YOU WANT TO ASK THAT QUESTION AGAIN ABOUT, UH, I PUTTING IN THE FOUR-WAY FLASHERS AND WERE YOU REFERRING TO THE TAXIS OR WHICH NO.
I MEAN, WHEN I GET THROUGH A CONSTRUCTION AREA, I PUT MY FOUR-WAY ON AND GO THROUGH AND THEY PUT THEM OFF.
BUT I DON'T, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT WAS A LAW THOUGH.
I DON'T THINK IT'S MANDATORY, BUT I THINK IT, IT STANDS OUT REAL WELL, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT'S A COURTESY, IT'S A COURTESY MORE THAN ANYTHING.
BUT THE MORE, THE MORE CAUTION YOU CAN, YOU CAN EXPRESS AS YOU'RE DOING IT, THE BETTER.
SO WE GOT PLENTY OF FLASHING LIGHTS OUT THERE TOO, TO, TO SLOW PEOPLE DOWN.
WELL, I MEAN THAT, LIKE WE, I MEAN THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF, UH, HIGHWAY CLEANUP.
AND THOSE GUYS HAVE BEEN OUT ON 45 A LOT.
AND YOU KNOW, SEE SOME PEOPLE DON'T EVEN MERGE.
IF THEY'RE ON THE RIGHT, THEY DON'T MERGE TO LEFT.
I, THAT'S A I THAT'S A GOOD COURTESY.
PUT YOUR FOURWAYS ON SO PEOPLE KNOW.
BUT YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I ALWAYS DRIVE SLOW AND I'M SURE PEOPLE ARE HAPPY WITH ME, BUT I USED TO DO THIS.
I KNOW IT'S ALL ABOUT, WE WISH MORE PEOPLE WOULD DO THAT.
ANOTHER EMPHASIS TOO IS THE MOVE OVER LAW AS PART OF THIS TOO.
AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S NOT JUST YOUR TYPICAL WORK ZONE WITH FLAGGERS OR CONES AND BARRICADES.
IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S A TOW TRUCK PULLED OVER, IT'S A POLICE OFFICER PULLED OVER.
IT'S, IT'S ONE, ONE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT TRUCK ON THE SHOULDER PICKING SOMETHING UP.
I MEAN, ALL THAT, ALL THAT IS CONSIDERED A WORK ZONE AND WE JUST WANT PEOPLE TO SLOW DOWN AND EXERCISE CAUTION FOR IT.
WELL TAKE YOU ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE.
WE'LL MOVE ON TO OUR LAST TOPIC, 2025 ORDINANCE AMEND SECTION 1 57 DASH NINE RELATED TO ALL TERRAIN VEHICLE AND UTILITY TERRAIN VEHICLE ROUTES.
I BELIEVE I NEED A MOTION AND A SECOND RIGHT.
MOTION FROM, UH, SUPERVISOR OF ALEK, SECOND BY SUPERVISOR HARTWIG.
DO I HAVE SCOTT ON THIS ONE NOW
UH, THE, THE COMMITTEE MAY RECALL THAT, UH, ATV UTVS USE ON COUNTY HIGHWAYS CAME BEFORE THE, THE BOARD, UH, SEVERAL YEARS AGO.
UH, WE CREATED, UH, SEVERAL ROUTES, UH, SEVEN ROUTES TO BE SPECIFIC, UM, AND 10 CONNECTION LOCATIONS, UM, THAT YOU ALLOWED AT TV UTVS ONTO THE TRIAL BASIS.
THEN WE TURNED AROUND IN SEPTEMBER OF 23.
UH, AND THE COMMITTEE AT THAT TIME AND THE COUNTY BOARD, UH, DECIDED THAT WHAT THEY WOULD DO IS IF, IF A TOWN, CITY OR VILLAGE HAD THEIR CUS PROBABLY OPEN UP TO A-T-V-U-T-V USE ANY COUNTY HIGHWAY WITHIN THAT SAME JURISDICTION WOULD BE OPEN FOR, FOR USE.
UH, ALONG THOSE LINES, THE TOWN OF ADDISON IS OPEN TO A-T-V-U-T-V USE WITH ALL THE COUNTY HIGHWAYS THAT ARE THERE.
UH, THE ONE THING THAT IS, IS MISSING FROM THAT, THAT CONNECTION POINT.
UM, AND IF I COULD HAVE MY SCREEN UP ON THE SCREEN, UM, IN THE TOWN OF ALLENTON ON THE EAST SIDE OF ALLENTON, UH, STATE HIGHWAY 33 GOES THROUGH ALLENTON.
UH, IT'S IN THIS AREA RIGHT OVER I 41 IN THERE.
AND I'LL BRING UP THE, THE GOOGLE PHOTO TO KIND OF SHOW YOU WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
AND THE A-T-V-U-T-V USE, UH, EXCUSE ME, UM, CLUB DID A GREAT JOB OF CONTACTING THE WISCONSIN DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION TO SEE IT WAS POSSIBLE TO UTILIZE A-T-V-U-T-V USE ON 33 OVER I 41.
UH, THERE IS AN EXCEPTION IN THE LAW THAT THAT ALLOWS FOR THAT.
AND SO WE CONTACTED THE DOTI MADE SURE MR. THE CHAIR, MR. SCHADEN WAS, WAS IN, IN ON THOSE, THOSE EMAILS.
THE DOT WAS ACTUALLY VERY, VERY QUICK TO RESPOND.
AND SO THEY WOULD ALLOW A-T-V-U-T-V USE ON 33 BETWEEN CHURCH STREET, WHICH YOU CAN SEE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE AND COUNTY HIGHWAY W ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, A-T-V-U-T USE IS ALLOWED ON 33 THROUGH ALLENTON BECAUSE IT'S 35 MILE AN HOUR OR LESS.
IT'S TECHNICALLY 30 MILES AN HOUR.
SO ON STATE HIGHWAYS 35 OR LESS, STATE LAW SAYS ATT V UTVS IS ALLOWED ABOVE 35 NOT ALLOWED WHEN YOU'RE GOING OUT TOWN, IT'S NOW, I BELIEVE IT'S 45 MILES AN HOUR GOING OUT OF TOWN.
SO AT V UTVS IS NOT ALLOWED ON THE STATE HIGHWAY.
WE WORKED IN CONJUNCTION WITH A TOWN AND A AND A CITIZEN WHO WAS COMPLAINING ABOUT GETTING ON AND OFF THE OFF RAMPS AT 41 AT CERTAIN TIMES OF DAY BY 33.
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THE ACCIDENTS THAT HAPPENED THERE TO TRY TO GET THE DOT TO LOWER THE SPEED LIMIT UP TWO 30 MILE AN HOUR TO THE EAST PAST COUNTY HIGHWAY W UH, WE WERE DENIED THAT.UH, IT DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE GIVING UP IT JUST THAT FOR NOW.
AND SO THE ATV SAID, WELL, LET'S GO BACK AND, AND TRY TO THIS OTHER AVENUE, UH, TO ALLOW THAT CONNECTION POINT.
IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR GOING OUT TOWN ON THE OTHER WAY.
THERE'S NO INTERSTATE, SO THERE'S NO METHODOLOGY FOR 'EM TO GET FROM 33, UM, DOWN 33 ALL THE WAY TO 1 75.
AND SO WHAT WE HAVE TO DO, WHAT THE DOT SAID WE HAD TO DO IS BOTH THE COUNTY HAS TO ADOPT THIS ORDINANCE.
THE TOWN WILL HAVE TO ADOPT THE SAME ORDINANCE.
AND I'VE TALKED TO THE TOWN CHAIRMAN, HE'S WILLING TO PUT THAT ON THEIR AGENDA, UH, POSSIBLY THAT THEIR AGENDA MIGHT HIT BEFORE THE COUNTY BOARD, BUT IT DOESN'T MATTER WHICH ONE'S FIRST.
UH, BUT WE'LL GIVE HIM A COPY OF OUR RESOLUTION AND, AND ORDINANCE THAT THEY CAN LOOK AT THAT AND, UH, POTENTIALLY DO THAT AS WELL.
SO EVEN IF THE BOARD APPROVES THIS AND THE TOWN DOESN'T, THAT MEANS IT'S A NO GO AND VICE VERSA.
AND SO WITH THAT, UH, WE'D BE RECOMMENDING THAT THE PUBLIC WORKS COMMITTEE, UH, FORWARD THIS WITH A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION TO THE, TO THE COUNTY BOARD TO ALLOW FOR THAT A TV UTVS USE ON THE STATE HIGHWAY BETWEEN BASICALLY CHURCH STREET OUT TO COUNT HIGHWAY W AND THAT ALLOWS THE A TV USE TO GET ACTUALLY INTO ALLENTON OUT OF ALLENTON.
UH, THERE'S NOW OF COURSE THEY CAN GO HIGHWAY W SOUTH OF OF ALLENTON TO GET OUT.
UH, BUT AGAIN, THEY CAN'T GO BACK UP 1 75.
SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT CHALLENGING FOR THE A-T-V-U-T-V CLUBS TO GET, UH, IN AND OUT OF ALLENTON.
SCOTT, NOW THAT YOU GOT THE MAP UP.
UM, SO FROM 41 EAST TO W THAT STRETCH? YES.
NOW IS THAT SPEED ZONE THERE? IS THAT 45? DO YOU KNOW WHERE THAT 40 BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT COMING OUT OF ALLEN 10, IT'S 30 OR 35, BUT THEN IT KICKS UP.
I'LL BRING UP THE, THE STREET VIEW.
IT KICKS TO 45 RIGHT BEFORE IF YOU'RE HEADING EASTBOUND.
UH, LET ME, I'M GONNA SPIN THIS A LITTLE BIT WITHOUT TRYING TO GET YOU SICK WHERE, SO YOU CAN FIGURE OUT WHERE YOU ARE.
UH, YOU'RE JUST PAST THE CHURCH CHURCH GOING EASTBOUND.
UH, SO JUST PAST THE CHURCH GOING EASTBOUND RIGHT BEFORE THE RANCH.
SO YOU'RE ACTUALLY WEST OF 41 RIGHT THERE WHERE IT CORRECT COMES UP.
SO THAT WHOLE STRETCH IS 45 5.
BUT WE WERE SAYING THAT THEY WOULD ALLOW IT AT 35.
IT'S, IT'S, THEY MADE AN EXCEPTION FOR THAT.
THEY'D BE MAKING THE EXCEPTION HERE BY STATE STATUTE.
IF IT'S 35 OR LESS, IT'S AUTOMATICALLY ALLOWED.
IF IT'S ABOVE 35, IT IS NOT ALLOWED.
WE TRIED TO GET THE S SPEED LIMIT LOWERED IN THAT STRETCH FROM 45 OUT FROM THERE.
THAT POINT TO HIGHWAY W THEY WOULDN'T DO THAT.
I THINK THAT WOULD'VE BEEN THE BETTER OPTION.
AND SO NOW THE A TV USED A-T-V-U-T-V CLUB SAID, WELL, CAN WE GO THROUGH THIS EXCEPTION OF THE STATE 'CAUSE TO GET OVER A INTERSTATE HIGHWAY? AND DOT SAID SURE.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT PREFERRED YOU TODAY IS THAT EXCEPTION OF ALLOWING A-T-V-U-T-V USE ON A STATE HIGHWAY ABOVE 35 MILES AN HOUR TO GET OVER AN INTERSTATE BRIDGE.
YOU CAN'T USE THAT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF VALENTI 'CAUSE THERE'S NO BRIDGE OR NO INTERSTATE.
IT'S A VERY UNIQUE SITUATION THAT THEY ALLOWED FOR IT.
AND I'M SURE THERE'S PROBABLY A REASON THAT THE STATE ALLOWED THAT IN OTHER AREAS OF THE STATE.
THERE MUST HAVE BEEN SOMEWHERE THAT THEY THOUGHT IT, OH, THERE'S ONLY A GOOD PLACE TO GET ACROSS THE INTERSTATE IS, YOU KNOW, ON THE STATE HIGHWAY.
AND I'M SURE THERE'S, YOU KNOW, RURAL AREAS WHERE IT'S MILES BETWEEN THEIR CHANGES.
WHERE HERE WE'RE PRETTY FORTUNATE YOU CAN GO SEVERAL MILES TO NORTH ON HIGHWAY DW TO GET OVER 41 OR DOWN TO COUNTY HIGHWAY K, UM, TO THE SOUTH OF HERE.
BUT, UH, IF YOUR DESTINATION IS ALLENTON, UH, YOU CAN IMAGINE THAT THE ROADS YOU'D HAVE TO GET TO, TO TRY TO, TO GET INTO THERE, IT'S GOOD TO SEE THAT.
'CAUSE I'M TRYING TO PICTURE THE SPEED LIMIT, BUT THAT, THAT'S A GOOD, BUT SO THE STATE MADE AN EXCEPTION FOR THAT STRETCH.
THEY, THEY, THEY, THE STATE STATUTE HAS AN EXCEPTION.
IT'S UP TO YOU TO DECIDE IF YOU WANNA TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT EXCEPTION AND APPROVE THE ORDINANCE.
AND THE TOWN ALSO IS PRETTY, THE ORDINANCE BOTH HAVE TO APPROVE THE SAME, THE SAME EXACT ORDINANCE.
THEY WERE VERY, THEY'RE VERY CLEAR ON THAT.
UM, SO, UH, WE'D BE WORKING WITH THE TOWN NEXT, UH, IF YOU DECIDE TO APPROVE THIS TODAY.
UM, THAT'S WHY WE, WE CAN'T REALLY HAVE ANY AMENDMENTS TO IT.
IT'S GOTTA BE THEY PROVIDED THE WORDING TO US.
THE SYSTEM GOES ON TO THE FULL BOARD.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE WE'RE SAYING IF WE APPROVE IT NOW, WE'RE, WE'RE SAYING MOVE IT TO THE FULL BOARD FOR FULL APPROVE.
AND THEN, UH, LIKE YOU SAID, THE TOWN OF ADDISON HAS TO DO THE SAME THING.
SO, UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ME? OH, SORRY ABOUT THAT.
THANK MR. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
UM, I'LL ASK MR. SCHMIDT, UM, IT'S BEEN A YEAR AND A HALF NOW AGAIN, SINCE WE ALLOWED A TV UT, UM, OPERATION ON A LOT OF COUNTY ROADS.
WHAT'S OUR ACCIDENT HISTORY BEEN? IS IT STILL PRETTY GOOD? ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY
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I'M NOT.I, OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I'M NOT AWARE OF ANYTHING ON ROAD.
I KNOW THERE WAS SOME OFF-ROAD, THERE'S ONE FATALITY OFF-ROAD, BUT, UH, AS FAR AS COUNTY HIGHWAYS GO, I'M, I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY ISSUES.
UM, THAT IS ANOTHER FEATURE THAT'S BEING ADDED TO COMMUNITY MAPS.
THAT'S WHERE WE PULL ALL OUR CRASH DATA FROM.
SO WE'LL HOPEFULLY BE ABLE TO SPEAK ON THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIFICALLY IN THE FUTURE.
HOPEFULLY NOT DISTANT FUTURE THAT'S COMING BECAUSE I KNOW A YEAR AND A HALF AGO WHEN WE DID ALLOW IT, THERE WAS REALLY NO BAD HISTORY AT ALL.
WE CAN CERTAINLY CHECK WITH THE SHERIFF.
THE SHERIFF IS THE ONE REALLY WHO WOULD BE INVOLVED IN THOSE TYPE OF SITUATIONS.
BUT YEAH, WE'RE NOT AWARE OF ANY CASUALTIES OR INJURIES THAT WE KNOW OF ON, ON THE ROADWAYS.
BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THERE, THERE ISN'T ANY, WE, WE, IF WE'VE APPROVED TO SEND WORD, IT WOULD BE GOOD INFORMATION TO HAVE MM-HMM
AT THAT, AT THAT POINT AND TRACKING IT GOING FORWARD TOO.
SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SUPERVISOR HARTWOOD? YES.
UH, SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT ANY ROAD, I MEAN IF IT'S OVER OVER 45, THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED ON A STATE HIGHWAY O OVER 35 MILES AN HOUR.
THEY ARE NOT ON A STATE HIGHWAY.
THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS TO FOR FARM VEHICLES THOUGH.
SO IF YOU EVER A FARM VEHICLE THAT THAT EXCEPTION GOES AWAY, YOU CAN THEN, IF YOU'RE A FARM VEHICLE, A REGISTERED FARMER, UH, THEN YOU CAN ACTUALLY USE YOUR AT V UTVS ON STATE HIGHWAYS.
WE'RE A PRETTY HEAVY AG STATE YET, SO THERE ARE CERTAIN EXCEPTIONS, THOSE EXCEPTIONS TO RULES MM-HMM
SO, BUT THIS WOULD BE FOR THE MORE SO YES, IF A FARMER WANTED TO GET FROM HERE, IF THEY'RE GOING TO FARMERS INC AND GOING BACK OUT, THEY COULD UTILIZE 33 CERTAIN, THERE'S THERE'S A LOT OF RESTRICTIONS TO THAT.
AND I HAVE SEEN A LOT OF 'EM USE IT TOO.
THE FARMERS, WHEN THEY GO GO TO LUNCH AT NOON AND THEN GO BACK OUT TO THE FIELD.
THEY DON'T KEEP DRIVING THEIR TRACTOR BACK AND FORTH.
SO, SO IS THERE SOMEWHERE WHERE I CAN GET THAT INFORMATION THAT'S PRINTED OUT FOR CRASH? THE CRASH DATA OR OH NO, THEY CAN'T USE IT ON A STATE HIGHWAY.
OH, THAT'S IN THE, THAT'S IN THE STATE STATUTE.
SORRY, THAT'S IN THE STATE STATUTES.
IT'S THE SAME FOR COUNTY HIGHWAYS.
EVEN IF WE DIDN'T APPROVE ANY COUNTY HIGHWAY A TV USE, THE SAME LAW APPLIES FOR STATE AND COUNTY HIGHWAY.
IF IT'S 35 MILES AN HOUR OR LOWER, IT'S AUTOMATICALLY OPEN.
MOTION CARRIES THE LAST AGENDA ITEM.
SO THE NEXT MEETING IS MAY 15TH, 2025.
UH, THIS, UH, MEETING'S ADJOURNED AND FOR MR. SALAK, I'LL USE MY WACKER HERE.
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MEETING OF THE LAND USE AND PLANNING COMMITTEE, UH, TO ORDER, UH, THIS MEETING'S AGENDA HAS BEEN PROPERLY NOTIFIED BY THE CLERK'S OFFICE.PLEASE RISE WITH ME AND SAY OUR PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
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I PLEDGE DUTIES INIFY OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.UM, FIRST TO CONSENT TO JENNA.
UH, IF YOU'VE REVIEWED THE MINUTES, ANY, ANY UPDATES OR ANYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE REPAIRED ON THOSE, WE'LL CONSIDER THAT ACCEPTED.
UM, AGAIN, THE CONTRACT, UH, WITH WOLF LAU REVOCABLE LIVING TRUST, THAT'S A PASS THROUGH ITEM, SO WE WON'T BE NECESSARILY DOING ANYTHING WITH THAT.
IT JUST PASSES THROUGH AS PART OF THE CONSENT AGENDA.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO NOTE THERE WERE A COUPLE OF ITEMS THAT HAD RATHER LATE, UM, UH, SUPPORTING DOCUMENTS ADDED AND, UH, WE ARE AWARE OF THAT.
SO, UM, STEPS ARE BEING TAKEN TO MAKE SURE WE GET THOSE IN A MORE TIMELY MANNER AND, UH, HOPEFULLY IT WON'T BE THAT WAY.
THESE ARE JUST GONNA BE DISCUSSION ITEMS TONIGHT, SO WON'T BE REALLY ACTING ON ANYTHING, BUT I DO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE AMPLE TIME TO GET THROUGH THE, THE DOCUMENTATION PROPERLY.
FROM THERE, WE WILL START OFF, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO FLIP THE ORDER A LITTLE BIT, UM, TO MAKE SOME ACCOMMODATIONS FOR SOME PEOPLE.
SO FIRST WE'RE GONNA START WITH THE 2025 RESOLUTION GENERAL FUND TRANSFER PARKS AND TRAILS FUND TO BROWNSFIELD ASSESSMENT FUND.
DO WE HAVE A FIRST MOTION BY BRIAN KREBS, SECONDED BY SUPERVISOR PRIDE MOORE.
AND DISCUSSION, WHO'S GOT THIS? AARON DAHL.
UM, I SEE ON THE AGENDA ITSELF, IT WAS LABELED GENERAL FUND TRANSFER.
IT'S ACTUALLY NOT A GENERAL FUND TRANSFER.
IT'S, UH, IT'S COMING FROM THE PARKS DEVELOPMENT FUND AND IT WOULD GO TO THE BROWNFIELD ASSESSMENT FUND.
UM, SO SOMEHOW THE WORD GENERAL GOT IN THERE.
THIS IS NOT COMING FROM THE GENERAL FUND.
UM, THE PACKET HAS A COMMITTEE REPORT AND THE RESOLUTION ITSELF, UM, BUT REALLY THE, THE, THE NUTS AND BOLTS OF THIS IS THE PARKS DEVELOPMENT FUND CURRENTLY SITS WITH A BALANCE OF, UH, ALMOST $548,000.
UH, THIS RESOLUTION AUTHORIZES 400,000 OF THAT TO BE SHIFTED INTO THE BROWNFIELD, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT FUND.
UM, AND THEN THE REMAINING BALANCE, UH, WOULD GO TO OFFSET COSTS IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN.
SO ESSENTIALLY THIS, UM, WOULD CLOSE OUT THE PARK DEVELOPMENT FUND.
UH, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF THERE ARE ANY.
UM, I KNOW THIS OBVIOUSLY TURNS INTO A POLICY DISCUSSION AS WELL, SO WE'VE GOT FOLKS, FOLKS THAT CAN COMMENT ON THAT AS WELL AS SOME OF OUR EXPERTS ON THE, THE BROWNFIELDS PROGRAM AND THAT, THAT, THAT STUFF AS WELL.
UM, IN THE COMMITTEE REPORT IT SAYS THAT THE PARK DEVELOPMENT FUND WAS FOR MAKING INVESTMENTS IN RECREATIONAL TRAILS.
WHAT TRAILS WERE DEPENDING ON BUILDING THAT WE DID.
UM, I CAN TELL YOU THAT PREVIOUS VERSIONS OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, UM, HAD, UM, IN SOME, IN SOME YEARS EVEN A, AS MUCH AS A QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS ALLOCATED TO THIS, TO THIS FUND.
THERE WAS A PLAN THAT WAS DEVELOPED, UH, AT ONE POINT IN TIME AND I THINK JAMIE CAN PROBABLY COMMENT MORE ON THE PLAN ITSELF, BUT, UH, THE CIP ALLOCATED FUNDS TO IT.
UH, AND THEN, AND THEY WEREN'T REALLY USED A LOT, SO RIGHT.
THE FUNDS WERE ALLOCATED TO THE, UH, WHEN THE BIKEWAY AND TRAIL NETWORK PLAN OF THE COUNTY WAS ADOPTED, THERE WAS A CONCEPT THAT WE WOULD START MOVING SOME MONEY TO SUPPORT GRANT MATCHES OR GRANT APPLICATIONS THAT WOULD HELP IMPLEMENT THAT PLAN.
UM, THAT PROGRAM NEVER CAME TO FRUITION.
WE HAVE TRIED ON A NUMBER OF OCCASIONS TO POTENTIALLY, UM, GET, USE THAT MONEY TO ALLOCATE IT TOWARDS TRAILS.
SO THIS COMMITTEE RECENTLY DISCUSSED AN ATTEMPT TO USE THIS POT, UM, FOR MATCHING MONEY IN THE VILLAGE OF RICHFIELD ALONG 1 67 FOR A SIDE PATH MATCH.
UM, SO BECAUSE OF THAT WAS ORIGINALLY THE INTENT WAS KIND OF THAT TYPE OF AN IMPLEMENTATION OF HIGH PRIORITY CORRIDORS COMING FROM THAT PLANT,
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UM, BECAUSE OF THE STATE LAWS, UM, AND THE WAY, AND THAT PROJECT IS A GOOD EXAMPLE THAT WAS PRESENTED A NUMBER OF SUBSTANTIAL HURDLES TO GET THROUGH TO GET THOSE TYPES OF PROJECTS OFF THE GROUND AND GET IMPLEMENTED.I THINK AT THIS POINT THE RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE BROWNFIELDS PROGRAM, UM, IS OF A HIGH PRIORITY AND MAKES USE OF THOSE FUNDS.
SO RATHER THAN, UM, ALLOCATE MONEY FROM A DIFFERENT POT, IT'S KIND OF CLOSING OUT WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY DESIGNATED FOR THAT PROGRAM.
SO THAT OTHER PROGRAM JUST YOU CLOSED OUT OR DEAD DUE TO LACK OF FUNDING, OR DO WE ALSO NEED TO TAKE FURTHER ACTION TO CLOSE OUT THEN? I DON'T THINK YOU DO.
UM, AND THEN THE OTHER, THE BALANCE OF THE MONEY THAT WOULD BE SHIFTED TO THE CIP, UM, FOR OTHER PROJECTS, WOULD THAT BE OTHER PROJECTS WITHIN THE PARKS ENTERPRISE FUND OR IS THAT JUST COUNTYWIDE CIP PROJECTS? IT'S, IT WOULD BE COUNTYWIDE.
CIP OFFSET THE, THE NEED FOR SALES TAX JUST IN GENERAL.
UM, ANYBODY ELSE? OH, SUPERVISOR CONRAD OVER ZOOM.
UM, QUESTION RE REGARDING THE TRANSFER OF FUNDS.
WE HAVE THIS, YOU KNOW, PROPOSED GLACIER HILLS PARK, YOU KNOW, E EXPANSION.
CAN THOSE FUNDS BE UTILIZED, YOU KNOW, TOWARDS GLACIER HILLS OR, YOU KNOW, SOME OTHER, YOU KNOW, AREAS WITHIN OUR PARKS AND TRAILS THAT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, CURRENT PLANS ON OR FUTURE PLANS ENVISION FOR? I MEAN, WE CERTAINLY COULD.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF USING THE 147,000, UH, REMAINING BALANCE ON, ON THAT PROJECT WOULD REQUIRE US TO FIND TO, TO BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, FIND THAT MONEY, UM, AND, AND PUT IT INTO THE CIP FROM ANOTHER SOURCE AS WELL.
SO IF WE USE IT ON ONE THING, WE GOTTA COME UP, COME UP WITH IT, UH, FOR THE OTHER, THE OTHER PROJECTS.
UM, SO I, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, BY PUTTING IT INTO THE CIP, UM, IN THEORY IT WOULD OFFSET COSTS NO MATTER WHAT.
RIGHT? UM, I, I, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MAKES, AND I'LL JUST ADD THAT.
YES, WHILE WE CERTAINLY COULD DO THAT, WE HAVE MULTIPLE POTS OF MONEY, THE GENERAL FUND AND THE PARK DEVELOPMENT FUND.
WHAT WE'RE BASICALLY DOING HERE IS WE'RE CLOSING ONE FUND.
UM, SO THAT JUST MEANS THAT IF WE NEED, LET'S JUST SAY WE WOULD HAVE A REALLY GREAT TRAIL PROJECT THAT THE COUNTY SHOULD TALK ABOUT.
WE, WE MIGHT STILL HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.
WE WOULD JUST NOW BE COMING OVER TO THE OTHER POT OF MONEY.
SO IT'S JUST TAKING, UM, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF CLOSING ALL OF THE FUNDS INTO ONE FUND, IF THAT MAKES SENSE IN MY MIND.
IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE WOULDN'T STILL HAVE CONVERSATIONS IF THEY WERE PRUDENT OR NECESSARY RELATED TO PARKS AND TRAILS.
UM, IF, SHOULD WE FIND OURSELVES IN A POSITION WHERE WE FEEL THERE WOULD BE A RECOMMENDATION FOR ADDITIONAL NEEDED FUNDING, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
SO RIGHT NOW THIS MONEY'S AVAILABLE AND CAN EASILY FUND BROWNFIELDS IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN.
AND BROWNSFIELD IS ONE OF, UM, OUR PRIORITIES.
UM, JAMIE, THIS WAS, UH, THIS WASN'T PART OF THAT WHOLE TRAIL PLAN, WAS IT WHERE WE WERE TRYING TO CONNECT A BUNCH OF TRAILS? UH, I DON'T KNOW, WE PASSED IT LIKE THREE, FOUR YEARS AGO.
WAS IT IT WAS, I MEAN, IT WAS IMPLEMENTATION MONEY WE WERE SETTING ASIDE TO TRY TO HAVE A POT OF MONEY AVAILABLE TO IMPLEMENT THAT PLAN.
UM, BUT THAT REALLY NEVER GOT OFF THE GROUND BECAUSE OF HOW DIFFICULT IT IS TO IMPLEMENT TRAILS WITHOUT EMINENT DOMAIN ALONG SOME OF THESE PATHS.
AND THE, IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST CHALLENGING.
AND SO I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE THROWING THAT IMPLEMENTATION POT OUT WITH THIS TRANSFER.
AND IF THAT BEING THE CASE, BECAUSE THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS DONE BY THE BOARD, UH, THIS PLAN, DOES IT HAVE TO BE UNDONE BY THE BOARD? YES.
THAT'S WHY THIS IS A TWO THIRDS VOTE OF THE COUNTY BOARD.
SO THIS IN EFFECT IS THE RESOLUTION TO UNDO THAT PLAN.
IT, IT UNDOES, IT UNDOES THE FUNDING, THE IMPLEMENTATION, THE FUNDING THAT WAS SET ASIDE TO POTENTIALLY IMPLEMENT THAT PLAN.
SO THEN AT A FUTURE DATE WE COULD TURN AROUND AND PUT MONEY BACK INTO THE PLAN IF WE FOUND A PROJECT.
AND THAT WAS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS TRYING TO ARTICULATE TO SUPERVISOR CONRAD, THAT SHOULD WE DECIDE,
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YOU KNOW, IN SIX MONTHS THAT WE WANNA ALLOCATE A MILLION DOLLARS FOR A TRAIL IMPLEMENTATION PROGRAM OR A REALLY GREAT PROJECT COMES UP, WE STILL MIGHT HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AND WE'D JUST BE LOOKING AT AARON DIFFERENTLY IN TERMS OF THE POT OF MONEY WE'D BE LOOKING AT.UM, WHY WE HAVE TWO POTS IS, IS KIND OF CONFUSING ON THE BOOKS.
UM, AND SO THAT'S PART OF THE REASON WHY WE'RE, WE'RE NO LONGER GOING TO SEGREGATE THAT MONEY FROM THE REST OF THE MONEY.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT.
HEARING NONE AND, UH, WE WILL GO AHEAD AND VOTE ON THIS PLAN.
LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE, UH, YOUR APPROVAL.
WE'LL GO TO THE 20 20 25 RESOLUTION REQUESTING REVIEW OF THE RESTRICTIVE THREE YEAR SEPTIC TANK MAINTENANCE POLICY.
UM, LET ME JUST FIRST STATE THAT THIS IS, UH, SOMETHING THAT WE DO, UH, FROM TIME TO TIME WE, UH, GRIPE AT OUR STATE AND, UH, TELL 'EM SOME OF THE THINGS WE LIKE, SOME OF THE THINGS WE DON'T LIKE, WHAT WE'D SEE IN THE FUTURE.
UM, IT'S NOT ANYTHING THAT'S BINDING TO THEM, UM, BUT CERTAINLY OUR, UH, ASSEMBLYMEN AND STATE SENATORS WILL TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION SOME OF THE THINGS WE DO, BECAUSE A LOT OF THE BEST IDEAS COME FROM THIS COUNTY.
SO THIS IS JUST MERELY A TALKING POINT.
IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING TO KIND OF GET A FEEL FOR WHAT'S GOING ON OUT THERE IN THE GENERAL PUBLIC.
UM, AND SOMETHING THAT I DO KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT.
SO, UH, WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU, JAMIE.
I WANT YES, THANK YOU CHAIR FOR THOSE REMARKS.
I THINK THEY'RE SPOT ON AND PARTICULARLY THE PIECE WHERE, UM, HANG ON ONE SECOND.
I GET, DO YOU WANT, WE NEED TO DO A MOTION ON THAT.
SO I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND MOTION SUPERVISOR PRIDE MOORE AND SUPERVISOR KREPPS.
AND WE, AND WE DO HAVE SOME PEOPLE IN ATTENDANCE TODAY.
AND, AND I'M GONNA ASK OUR, AND WE ARE GONNA GET THIS LATER IN ONE OF YOUR REPORTS, BUT I'M ACTUALLY GONNA ASK OUR INTERIM ASSISTANT NATURAL RESOURCES DIRECTOR, UM, BRETT SCHER, I KNOW YOU PROBABLY HAVEN'T HAD A LOT OF EXPERIENCE WITH BRETT.
UM, HE JOINED WASHINGTON COUNTY ABOUT 10 MONTHS AGO, UM, AS OUR LEAD LAND USE INSPECTOR AND HAS A LOT OF IT FROM JEFFERSON COUNTY.
SO HE'S NOT NEW TO COUNTY GOVERNMENT.
UM, AND HE HAS A LOT OF EXPERIENCE IN FLOODPLAIN ZONING, UM, SANITATION AND SHORELAND ZONING.
AND SO WE'VE BEEN REALLY IMPRESSED AND IT'S WITH THAT SENTIMENT THAT WE HAD SEVERAL CONSTITUENTS REACH OUT TO THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE AND TO OUR OFFICES AROUND, UM, THIS LAW IN PARTICULAR, UM, OLD JETS, GENERALLY, OLDER COUPLES, MAYBE LIVING ALONE, QUESTIONING THE, THE STATE INTERVENTION INTO THEIR LIVES RELATED TO WHY THEY NEED TO HAVE THEIR SYSTEM PUMPED.
UM, AND SO THAT STARTED A CONVERSATION AROUND THIS TOPIC AND IT REALLY IS JUST INTENDED TO DO THAT, TO START THE CONVERSATION.
UM, AND WE HAVE A, A NUMBER OF OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES HERE TODAY WHO HAVE HELPED, AND I AM GRATEFUL, I WANNA JUST SAY THEY'RE GOING TO, UM, ULTIMATELY MAKE THIS A BETTER END PRODUCT.
SO, UM, WITH THAT, I'M GONNA LET BRETT KIND OF GO THROUGH HIS PRESENTATION ABOUT THIS ITEM, AND THEN WE'LL OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION AND KIND OF SEE HOW THE COMMITTEE WANTS TO MOVE FORWARD.
THAT'S GOOD TO MEET ALL OF YOU TOO THERE, WADE.
CAN YOU SEND THE POWERPOINT TO THE TVS? THANK YOU.
UH, THIS, UH, KIND OF GOT BROUGHT UP WITH SOME PUBLIC INPUT REGARDING THE THREE YEAR MAINTENANCE PROGRAM.
THE THREE YEAR MAINTENANCE PROGRAM SET BY STATE LAW, BY STATE STATUTE, WHICH REQUIRES YOU TO PUMP YOUR SYSTEM EVERY THREE YEARS OR WHEN SLUDGE AND SCUM HITS ONE THIRD VOLUME IN THE TANK.
AND I WILL GO OVER THAT A LITTLE BIT.
UM, IN THE FUTURE SLIDES, UM, THE PUBLIC, THEY'RE KIND OF QUESTIONING ON IF IT WAS NECESSARY, WHY IT WAS NECESSARY.
WHERE DID THIS THREE YEARS COME FROM? AND THAT'S WHY THIS IS BEING PRESENTED TO YOU TODAY.
UM, SO THIS COMES FROM, I GOT THE WISCONSIN STATE STATUTE UP THERE, WHERE THIS ALL COMES FROM, COMES FROM 1 45 0.205 B.
UM, THE MAINTENANCE PROGRAM SHALL INCLUDE A REQUIREMENT OF INSPECTION OR PUMPING OF THE PRIVATE ONSITE WASTE TREATMENT SYSTEM AT LEAST ONCE EVERY THREE YEARS AT THE PRIVATE ONSITE.
WASTE WATER TREATMENT PLANT DOES NOT HAVE A MAINTENANCE PLAN AS PRESCRIBED BY THE RULE BY THE DEPARTMENT.
UH, IN THIS CASE, THE DEPARTMENT WOULD BE DSPS.
UM, THEY'RE THE STATE ORGANIZATION THAT CAN SET THE RULES FOR THIS.
WE HAVE TO FOLLOW THOSE RULES, HOW THE COUNTY'S INVOLVED IN THE WHOLE POUTS
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MAINTENANCE PROGRAM.UM, WE TRACK THE MAINTENANCE, WE SEND THE MAINTENANCE REMINDERS, AND WE FOLLOW UP WITH THE DELINQUENT PROPERTIES.
UM, IF THEY'RE NOT PUMPING, UM, THEN THE QUESTION KIND OF COMES BACK TO IT IS WHEN DO YOU PUMP A SYSTEM? UH, STATE STATUTE, AS I KIND OF SAID BEFORE, REQUIRES THREE YEAR PUMPING.
UM, OTHERWISE, IF YOUR TANK IS ONE THIRD FULL OF SCUM AND SLUDGE, WHICH IN THE DIAGRAM YOU CAN SEE, IT SCUMS YOUR TOP FLOATING LAYER WHILE THE SLUDGE IS THE BOTTOM.
UM, IF YOU GET TOO MUCH IN THERE, YOUR SYSTEM DOESN'T WORK PROPERLY.
AND WE'LL GET A LITTLE BIT FURTHER INTO THAT THROUGH THIS DISCUSSION.
UM, THERE'S ANOTHER ASPECT THAT COMES INTO THIS IS THE PUMPING VERSUS A VISUAL INSPECTION.
SO THERE ARE LICENSES OUT THERE THAT ALLOW A, SUCH AS A POUCH MAINTAINER OR INSPECTOR LIKE MYSELF.
UM, A PLUMBER CAN DO THIS, UM, PUMPERS.
YOU CAN GO OUT AND VISUALLY INSPECT IT, AND IF THEY DEEM THE SYSTEM IS UNDER ONE THIRD SLUDGE AND SCUM, YOU CAN SIGN OFF ON IT AND IT PUSHES IT OUT ANOTHER THREE YEARS.
UM, THERE'S ALSO ANOTHER EXCEPTION PUMP OR PUSHING OUT TO FIVE YEARS FOR SEASONAL RESIDENCIES.
UM, THAT WOULD BE YOUR, UM, YOU KNOW, OLDER COUPLE WHO'S LIVING DOWN IN FLORIDA AND THEY'RE ONLY AT THE CABIN DURING THE SUMMER.
THEY DON'T USE THEIR SY SYSTEM VERY OFTEN.
WE'RE ALLOWED TO PUSH THAT OUT TO FIVE YEARS.
AND THEN IT COMES DOWN TO THE TANK.
THE SYSTEM ITSELF AND THE TANK SIZING, UM, CODE IS, IT'S DESIGNATED BY BEDROOMS, NOT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE OR BATHROOMS AS A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK IT IS.
UM, A BEDROOM COUNTS AS TWO PEOPLE IN THE HOUSE.
SO IF YOU HAVE A TWO BEDROOM HOUSE, YOU COULD HAVE UP TO FOUR PEOPLE IN THAT HOUSE.
UM, HOW IT'S CALCULATED FOR THE TANK SIZING, WHICH KIND OF COMES INTO PLAY WITH THIS, IS USE AN ESTIMATED FLOW, WHICH IS A HUNDRED GALLONS PER DAY.
AND THEN YOU TIMES THAT BY 1.5 AND THAT IS YOUR MAX FLOW.
THAT NUMBER WAS ESTABLISHED BY THE STATE.
THAT SHOULD BE THE PEAK AMOUNT OF WATER COMING THROUGH.
UM, AND THEN FOR THE TANK SIZING, YOU WOULD THEN TIMES THAT BY 2.088.
THAT'S, THERE'S A GIANT CALCULATION THAT GOES INTO THAT, AND THAT'S WHAT DETERMINES HOW BIG YOUR SEPTIC SYSTEM TANK IS.
UM, SO USUALLY TODAY WE ARE SEEING AROUND 1200 GALLONS FOR AN AVERAGE HOME.
UM, BUT AS YOU INCREASE THE NUMBER OF BEDROOMS, YOU'RE INCREASING PEOPLE, THE TANKS GET BIGGER.
UM, AN ARGUMENT THAT HAS KIND OF CAME UP WITH THE PUBLIC HAS BEEN QUESTIONING WHY I HAVE A, WE'LL SAY A TWO BEDROOM HOME.
MY SYSTEM'S OVERSIZED ACCORDING TO CODE.
AND THAT'S WHY THIS GOT BROUGHT UP, IS WE'RE NOT PUTTING AS MUCH WASTE INTO OUR SYSTEM.
WHY SHOULD I HAVE TO PUMP EVERY THREE YEARS? AND THIS IS KIND OF WHERE THIS ISSUE WITH THE PUBLIC CAME UP.
UM, JUST KIND OF QUICK OVERVIEW OF THE RESOLUTION IN YOUR PACKET.
UM, UW MADISON SAYS, THE AVERAGE PERSON IN WISCONSIN USES 56 GALLONS OF WATER A DAY.
UM, THERE IS SOME LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, UH, VIEW ON IT.
EVERY SINGLE HOUSE IS UNIQUE ON HOW MUCH WATER YOU'RE USING.
SO IT IS TOUGH TO PUT A EXACT AVERAGE ON THAT.
UM, ANOTHER DISCONNECT WITH THE PUBLIC IS THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE VERSUS THE NUMBER OF BEDROOMS IN A HOME.
THAT KIND OF COMES BACK TO YOU GOT A THREE BEDROOM HOUSE, TWO PEOPLE LIVING THERE, YOUR SYSTEM'S WAY OVERSIZED PER STATE CODE.
WHY DO I NEED TO PUMP IT? UM, ANOTHER UH, ARGUMENT THAT HAS CAME UP IS THE NEW STUDIES AND TECHNOLOGY THAT HAS BEEN COMING OUT IN THE FIELD.
UM, THERE'S NEW ALARMS COMING OUT, NEW TANKS, NEW PRODUCTS FOR THE SEPTIC FIELD COMING OUT.
UM, A QUESTION TO DSPS IS, WHY CAN'T WE KEEP UP WITH THE TIMES AND TECHNOLOGY? THE CODE WAS ORIGINALLY PUT INTO PLACE IN 1979 WITH MINIMAL UPDATES TO IT.
UM, THERE WERE SOME OF THE EARLY TWO THOUSANDS AND MID TWO THOUSANDS THAT WERE PUT INTO PLAY, BUT NOTHING DETRIMENT.
AND THEN ANOTHER QUESTION THAT CAME UP IS, HOW WAS THIS THREE YEARS DETERMINED? UH, THE THREE YEARS, UH, WE KIND OF BACKTRACKED IT TO A BUDGET BILL, BUT THERE WAS NO INPUT ON WHERE THE NUMBER ACTUALLY CAME FROM, FROM THE SEVENTIES.
IF THERE WAS A STUDY DONE, UH, IF IT WAS JUST PUT INTO PLACE.
'CAUSE IT SOUNDED GOOD AT THE TIME.
AND IT WAS KIND OF AN URGE FOR US TO THE STATE TO LOOK AT THIS AND SAY, HEY, THIS SHOULD BE BROUGHT BACK UP.
WHY, HOW WAS THIS DETERMINED? THIS STUDY NEEDS TO REALLY BE DONE ON USAGE OF THESE SYSTEMS TO KEEP UP WITH THE TIMES.
SO THAT WAS THE QUICK GIST OF THE RESOLUTION.
IF YOU GUYS HAVE LOOKED AT IT, IS KIND OF URGING THE STATE TO RE-LOOK AT THESE POINTS, UM, AND SEE IF THERE'S ANY UPDATES THAT CAN BE MADE.
AND TO PUSH THE STATE A LITTLE BIT TO LOOK AT THIS CODE AND NOT JUST SIT ON THE BACK BURNER AND LET IT RIDE.
UM, WE DID HAVE, UH, THE LAST COUPLE DAYS WE'VE HAD A LOT OF COMMENTS FOR THIS RESOLUTION, UM, PARTICULARLY FROM THE PUMPING COMMUNITY WITH CONCERNS ON EXTENDING THIS OR CHANGING THE NUMBER OF CHANGING THE PIPE, PIPE, PUMPING CYCLE DATE ALTOGETHER.
UM, SOME OF THE COMMENTS, I'LL KIND OF KEEP IT GENERAL FOR YOU,
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UM, AN EMAIL AND THEN SEVERAL CALLS TODAY, UH, WHICH I TOOK SOME OF THESE BIG CONCERNS WAS THAT, UH, THE PUMPERS ARE ON THE GROUND EVERY DAY.THEY SEE THE ISSUES EVERY DAY.
UM, PEOPLE ARE ABUSING THEIR SYSTEMS. THEY DON'T KNOW HOW A SEPTIC SY SYSTEM TRULY WORKS.
A LOT OF THESE PUMPERS ARE EDUCATING THE PUBLIC WHILE THEY'RE OUT THERE AS PART OF THEIR JOB.
UM, AND THEY SEE IT MORE OFTEN THAN ANY OF US WOULD, HOW PEOPLE ACTUALLY TREAT THESE SYSTEMS AND WHAT'S BEING PUT THROUGH THESE SYSTEMS. UM, A LOT OF THESE HOMEOWNERS TOO, THEY'RE KIND OF TESTING OUR NEWER HOMEOWNERS WHO WERE ON A SANITARY SYSTEM WHERE THEY'RE USED TO PUTTING DOWN ANYTHING DOWN YOUR DRAIN SEPTIC SYSTEMS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
UM, IF IT GOES OUT, UM, YOU'RE GONNA BE OUT ABOUT 30 TO $40,000 IF YOU ABUSE YOUR SYSTEM AND NOT PUMPING, IT WAS A CONCERN OF THEIRS.
UM, IT CAN LEAD UP TO BUILDUP IN THE PIPES.
IT CAN LEAD UP TO TING, UM, NITROGEN'S IN THE SOIL, WHICH COULD ULTIMATELY AFFECT YOUR GROUNDWATER.
UM, IT, IT ALL COMES BACK TO THAT.
AND FROM WHAT THE PUMPERS HAVE SEEN, THEY DON'T THINK HOMEOWNERS ARE RESPONSIBLE ENOUGH TO EXTEND THE STATE OR TO ALLOW AN EXTENSION OF THIS DATE FROM THE SYSTEMS THEY'VE BEEN SEEING HERE IN WASHINGTON COUNTY.
UM, SOME SUGGESTIONS THAT THEY'VE SEEN THAT KIND OF BACK THIS UP IS PLUG FILTERS HAVE BEEN COMMON.
UM, HOMEOWNERS AREN'T EVEN CLEANING OUT THEIR FILTERS.
YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO IT TWICE A YEAR.
UM, AND THEY GET THE CALLS THAT STATE, HEY, I GOTTA COME HERE AND CLEAN A PLUGGED FILTER.
UM, WHY IS MY SYSTEM NOT WORKING? UM, THERE'S A LOT OF SMALL ISSUES LIKE THAT THAT ARE COMING UP.
UM, AND THEN IT COMES BACK TO THE WASTE ITSELF.
IF YOU ALLOW A, UH, PUMPING, WE'LL SAY FIVE YEARS, SIX YEARS, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE MORE SLUDGE IN YOUR TANK.
IT CAN, UH, CREATE A MAT ON THE BOTTOM MAKING IT DIFFICULT TO PUMP.
BUT ONE OF THE HARDEST PARTS IS THIS HAS TO BE TREATED BY WASTE TREATMENT PLANT.
AND SOMETIMES THIS WASTE IS VERY HIGH LEVEL IN BODS FATS AND A TREATMENT PLANT WON'T TAKE THAT, OR THEY GOTTA TAKE IT IN SMALL INCREMENTS.
UM, SO GETTING RID OF THE WASTE IS ANOTHER GIANT CONCERN FROM THE PUMPING COMMUNITY.
UM, THEY DID HAVE SOME SUGGESTIONS TOO, UH, WITH THE RESOLUTION WE SUBMITTED.
UM, AND THEN THERE WAS A LOT OF TALK ABOUT THE POUNCE MAINTAINER LICENSE AND ISSUES WITH THAT.
IT'S A LITTLE OFF TOPIC OF THIS RESOLUTION, BUT THAT POUNCE MAINTAINER LICENSE ALLOWS A PERSON WITH THE MAINTAINER CREDENTIALS TO GO OUT THERE, INSPECT A SYSTEM, AND THEY'RE REPORTING THAT LICENSE HOLDERS OF THIS MAINTAINER AREN'T REPORTING PROPERLY.
AND SYSTEMS ARE FAILING BECAUSE OF THIS.
AND THIS WAS A HUGE CONCERN THEY BROUGHT TO ME THE LAST DAY OR TWO THAT THIS SHOULD REALLY BE LOOKED AT.
UM, HOW CAN WE KINDA HOLD THESE MAINTAINERS ACCOUNTABLE? UM, ARE THESE SYSTEMS TRULY ABLE TO BE SIGNED OFF ON? UM, 'CAUSE THEY'RE COMING OUT IN THE SIX YEAR PERIOD AFTER IT GETS PUSHED OUT AND THEY'RE UNABLE TO PUMP THESE.
UM, AND IT'S LETTING SYSTEMS FAIL ULTIMATELY.
AND THE OTHER CONCERN IS ONCE YOU HAVE A FAILED SYSTEM, IS THE DOLLAR MOUNT ON IT.
AND A LOT OF THESE LOTS IN WASHINGTON COUNTY, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH SPACE FOR ANOTHER SYSTEM.
SO ONCE YOU LOSE YOUR FIRST SYSTEM, YOU'RE KIND OF PUT ON A HOLDING TANK AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THAT COST TO BITE EVERY MONTH.
YOU GOTTA PIPE, PIPE PUMP IT OR EVERY TWO WEEKS.
UM, THAT IS, UH, THE GIST OF THE RESOLUTION AND KIND OF CONCERNS WE'VE HAD.
IF YOU GOT ANY QUESTIONS ON IT, FEEL FREE TO ASK AWAY.
UM, THERE'S A COUPLE ROUTES YOU CAN KIND OF GO ON THIS.
UM, IF YOU DON'T THINK IT'S VALID, YOU CAN HAVE IT SHUT DOWN HERE OR YOU CAN HAVE IT, UH, GO OUT TO MAYBE AN EXPERT GROUP OR AN EXPERT WORK GROUP TO GET MORE INPUT ON THE RESOLUTION SUCH AS THE PLUMBING COMMUNITY, THE PUMPERS, UM, MAINTAINERS, HOMEOWNERS, EVERYBODY WHO'S INVOLVED WITH THIS TO GET MORE INPUT.
UM, THERE'S A FEW OPTIONS FOR IT OR YOU CAN POSTPONE IT TOO IF YOU WOULD LIKE MORE INFORMATION.
YES, I WOULD, I JUST WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT ON THE WORK GROUP, UM, OPTION, WHICH IS WORK.
AND ALSO, UNLESS THERE IS A CLEAR GOAL OF THE WORK GROUP, IT MAY OR MAY NOT PRODUCE AN END PRODUCT THAT AGAIN, RIGHT NOW WE, WE CAN'T ACTUALLY CHANGE IT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, IN THE CONVERSATION THAT I HAD WITH ONE OF OUR PLUMBERS IN OUR COMMUNITY, THERE WAS A LOT OF INTEREST IN WASHINGTON COUNTY ACTUALLY WORKING WITH OUR PUMPS AND OUR PLUMBERS TO DEVELOP MORE OF A PILOT PROGRAM WHERE THERE WOULD BE LESS GOVERNMENT INTERVENTION AND ACTUALLY WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE AND WHAT WE WOULD DO HERE DIFFERENTLY IF WE WERE TO DO SOMETHING, UM, AND INTEREST IN THOSE PLUMBERS TO BE A PART OF THAT CONVERSATION.
UM, HOWEVER, BEFORE WE WOULD EMBARK ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT, THAT THE POLICY LEVEL CONVERSATION AROUND THIS
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IS VOTED ON BY THE COMMITTEE, THE COUNTY BOARD AND THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE, WHICH IS WHY THERE'S SORT OF A RESOLUTION IN FRONT OF YOU, RIGHT? SO I WOULD BE ENCOURAGING YOU TO REALLY LOOK AT THAT LANGUAGE, UM, AND TAKE THE TIME YOU NEED TO FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT IT IS YOU WANT TO SAY.UM, AND THEN MAKING SURE WE HAVE A MAJORITY THAT AGREES WITH THE GENERAL DIRECTION, RIGHT? BECAUSE IF WE DON'T HAVE THE VOTE, THEN WE DON'T WANNA SPEND A LOT OF STAFF.
I MEAN, WE DON'T WANNA SPEND A LOT OF TIME, WE DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE AMPLE RESOURCES RIGHT NOW TO BE CONVENING AND HAVING CONVERSATIONS IF THERE ISN'T POLITICAL SUPPORT FROM THE BOARD.
SO THAT'S KIND OF WHY WE STARTED WITH A RESOLUTION CONVERSATION.
UM, SO I, I MEAN, I JUST AM ADDING THAT OF, YOU KNOW, USING THAT, OF BEING OF THAT CONVERSATION.
UH, SO DISCUSSION FROM THE COMMITTEE.
CAN I HAVE A QUESTION? YEAH, OF COURSE.
BUT THE BEDROOM AND THE PEOPLE, YOU ALL, BECAUSE WE'RE IN A FOUR BEDROOM PLACE, BUT ONLY TWO PEOPLE.
SO DOESN'T THAT MAKE A DIFFERENCE? IT COULD IN YOUR DAILY WASTEWATER FLOW.
UM, BUT IT REALLY, IT COMES DOWN HOMES TO AN INDIVIDUAL LEVEL.
SOME PEOPLE USE LESS WATER, SOME PEOPLE USE MORE WATER.
IF YOU'RE GOING STRICTLY BY STATE CODE, YOU WOULD STILL HAVE TO PUMP UNDER THE THREE YEARS, OR YOU COULD HAVE AN INSPECTION POSSIBLY DONE, BUT THEN IT WOULD PUSH IT OUT ANOTHER THREE YEARS.
AND MOST LIKELY IF YOU'RE LIVING THERE FULL TIME, YOUR TANK WILL FILL UP PAST THAT ONE THIRD SLUDGE AND SCUM.
UM, BUT YEAH, NO, THAT'S A, THAT'S A QUESTION FOR THAT WE HAVE FOR THE STATE WOULD BE THESE SYSTEMS WHERE IT'S, THEY'RE OVERSIZED FOR WHO'S CURRENTLY LIVING THERE.
I THINK ANOTHER POINT IS TOO, IS THERE'S A LOT OF HOME SWITCHING AROUND HERE.
SO WE SEE IT OFTEN WHERE IT'LL BE A, WE'LL SAY A OLDER COUPLE LIVING THERE, THEIR KIDS ARE GONE, THEY MOVE DOWNSIZE, AND THEN A FAMILY OF SIX MOVES IN AND THEN THE SYSTEM BLOWS OUT AND THEY'RE STUCK REPLACING THEIR SYSTEM.
UM, SO THERE'S THAT OPTION OF IT TOO, WHICH IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO AN INDIVIDUAL LEVEL OF HOW THE WATER'S BEING USED.
BUT, AND I, I'M, I'M JUST ADDING, YOU HAVE A LOT OF ASSETS AS A HOMEOWNER AND A PERSONAL PROPERTY IN YOUR PERSONAL PROPERTY, A FURNACE, AN HVAC, RIGHT? THE GOVERNMENT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MANDATE THAT I HAVE MY SYSTEM CHECKED EVERY YEAR, BUT I, I DO.
RIGHT? I BELONG TO A SERVICE WHERE I STILL HAVE IT SERVICED.
AND, AND SO PART OF THIS GETS INTO, WE DON'T HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO LOOK AT YOUR SYSTEM AND SAY, YOU'RE RIGHT.
YOU ACTUALLY MAKE MORE SENSE EVERY SIX YEARS.
UM, AND IF YOU ASK CERTAIN PEOPLE AT THE STATE, THERE ARE STUDIES THAT ARE SHOWING THE OPPOSITE.
AND SO THE RESOLUTION ENCOURAGES, YOU KNOW, A CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT TOPIC.
AND I JUST WANT TO ADD THAT THERE REALLY HASN'T BEEN ANY STUDIES REALLY DONE WITH THIS SLUDGE IN A TANK, UM, THAT I'M AWARE OF.
SO IT'S KIND OF URGING THE STATE MAYBE TO TAKE SOME ACTION AND RE-LOOK AT SOME OF THESE CODES.
UM, IT MAY BE REDUCING THE CYCLE, MAYBE INCREASING IT, BUT IT'S HARD TO SAY UNTIL YOU HAVE A STUDY REALLY DONE.
AND I THINK PART OF THE URGE WOULD BE HAVING THE STATE RE-LOOK AT THIS LANGUAGE AND THERE'S MULTIPLE PARTS OF THE LANGUAGE THAT REALLY SHOULD BE RE-LOOKED AT AND, UM, UPDATED TO MORE OF A CURRENT TIME.
I'LL PUT IN SUPERVISOR CONRAD ON ZOOM.
YEAH, AND I, UH, UM, I APPRECIATE TO THE VOICE OF THE PEOPLE DOING THIS WORK.
YOU KNOW, REALLY THE FRONTLINE, THE, THE PUMPERS AS YOU STATED, UM, BECAUSE TOO, WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, AS A, AS A NURSE, IT'S ALWAYS IMPORTANT TO YOU TO GET THE, THE VOICE OF THE FRONTLINE NURSES AND, UM, FOR ANY, YOU KNOW, CHANGE.
AND THEY OBVIOUSLY HAVE SOME SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTISE YOU COULD SAY.
BUT, UM, AND TWO, YOU KNOW, SPEAKING TO THE EVIDENCE, IT DOES CONCERN ME THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS BASED OFF REALLY NO EVIDENCE, NO DATA.
UM, BUT I WANT, YOU KNOW, WANT TO MAKE A CHANGE AND SUPPORT ANYTHING WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, GOOD EVIDENCE AND DATA AND, AND THE VOICE OF THE PEOPLE, BUT THUS MOVING THIS FORWARD AND AGREEING TO YES.
WOULD, UM, HELP ENCOURAGE THE STATE TO, YOU KNOW, GET CORRECT COUNSEL AND THINGS AND ADVISORS ON, ON HOW TO CHANGE THE STATUTE.
UM, I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO, UH, TAKE IN PART OF THE PEOPLE IN THE FIELD ALSO.
UM, THERE'S THE LACK OF DATA RIGHT NOW.
UM, BUT THE FIELD STAFF, THE PUMPERS, THEY'RE VERY, UH,
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THEY'RE A GOOD COMMUNITY AND, UH, THEY HAVE A LOT TO SAY AND A LOT OF KNOWLEDGE ON IT.SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO TAKE THEM INTO CONSIDERATION ON THIS DECISION AND MAYBE REWORKING THIS RESOLUTION OR MAYBE GETTING SOME MORE INPUT FROM THEM ON THIS.
AND THEY, YEAH, DEFINITELY I SEE SOME FUTURE PUBLIC HEARINGS AT THE STATE CAPITOL WITH THEM SHARING THEIR VOICE AND STUFF.
ANY, HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION? SUPERVISOR KRES.
UM, YEAH, SOME, I CAN SEE BOTH SIDES OF THE EQUATION HERE.
YOU KNOW, ON ONE END IT'S PERSONAL PROPERTY RIGHTS, LET PEOPLE DO WHAT THEY WANT WITH THEIR PROPERTY.
UM, BUT ON THE OTHER SIDE, THERE IS A PUBLIC HEALTH SAFETY TO IT, ESPECIALLY WITH THE GROUND STUFF.
UM, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT IT ARE INFORMED OF THEIR SYSTEM.
THERE SHOULD BE SOME FLEXIBILITY, UH, FOR THEM TO T FIT AND WHAT, WHAT THEY, WHAT THEIR KNOWLEDGE OPERATE WITH.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THERE'S SO MANY PEOPLE, THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE THEY HAVE A SEPTIC UNTIL THE POSTCARD COMES.
THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE IT IS AND THEY DON'T DUNNO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
AND THEY TREAT THEIR GARBAGE DISPOSAL AS A GARBAGE CAN.
SO I THINK THERE'S DEFINITELY ROOM FOR DISCUSSION.
IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE PREMATURE TO PASS A RESOLUTION AND SEND TO A STATE.
UM, THINK MAYBE IF WE HAVE A LITTLE TIME, WE COULD, UH, HEAR FROM, HEAR FROM, UH, THE PUMPING COMMUNITY AND OTHER, UH, PLAYERS IN THIS, UM, TO MAKE SURE WE GET A RESOLUTION SENT TO THE STATE THAT'S WORDED RIGHT.
I WOULD LIKE IT TO BE STARTING TO OPEN DIALOGUE, NOT SO MUCH, UH, MR. REPEAL OF AN EXISTING POLICY.
AND INSTEAD, 'CAUSE LIKE JUST LOOKING THROUGH THIS RESOLUTION LINE 32 TALKS ABOUT A DEREGULATION OF THE PROGRAM.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A DEREGULATION THAT WE'RE AFTER, BUT MAYBE A REEXAMINING AND UPDATING OF IT TO MODERN PRACTICES, UM, AND OR THE TECHNOLOGIES WE HAVE EVEN FOR PEOPLE TO, TO WAIVE IT.
SOMETHING LIKE IF A HOMEOWNER WANTS TO WAIVE IT, BUT THEM ACKNOWLEDGE WHAT COSTS AND NEGATIVES OF DOING SO WARNED ABOUT.
SO I THINK I WOULD SAY, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S TABLING, IT'S THE RIGHT, RIGHT MOTION AT THIS TIME, MORE DISCUSSION THAT BE HAD ON IT BEFORE I WOULD, THAT'S A MOTION TO TABLE OR WHATEVER THE CORRECT DEFER KELLY.
SOME, UH, IT WOULD BE ACTUALLY, UH, TO POSTPONE OKAY.
UM, AND I WILL ACCEPT YOUR MOTION, BUT I'D LIKE TO GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK FIRST.
AND ALSO ONE OTHER ONE BUZZING IN.
SO I WILL WAIT WITH THAT MOTION.
UM, KEEPING IN MIND THAT THIS IS A DOCUMENT THAT BASICALLY ADVISES OUR, OUR STATE.
WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY TELLING THEM WHAT THEY NEED TO CHANGE OR HOW THEY NEED TO CHANGE IT, OR THE TIMEFRAMES THAT THEY NEED TO DO, BUT MERELY TO LOOK AT THIS PARTICULAR, UH, ITEM AND PERHAPS PUT SOME OF THEIR DNR PEOPLE ON IT, UH, OR WHATEVER GOVERNING BODIES THAT THEY USE THE SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY AND, UM, TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
UH, WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR THE PROGRAM TO BE CANCELED.
WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR, YOU KNOW, UH, ANY SPECIFIC CHANGES.
BUT IT, WHAT I SEE OF THIS RESOLUTION, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THIS IS MERELY AN ADVISORY RESOLUTION TO RECONSIDER AND LOOK AT THE LAWS WITHOUT CORRECT.
SO I, I, I BELIEVE, AND, AND WE HAVE SEVERAL PEOPLE HERE TODAY, AND THANK YOU FOR SHOWING UP.
I APPRECIATE ANY TIME PEOPLE COME TO MY MEETINGS AND THEY'RE ACTIVELY INVOLVED, UM, AT THE STATE LEVEL IS WHERE YOU WOULD HAVE THE PROPER INPUT TO THE RIGHT PEOPLE, THE PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY MAKE THESE DECISIONS.
SO, UM, I WOULD INVITE YOU TO REACH OUT TO THE LEGISLATORS AND THE DNR AND WHOEVER YOU GUYS ARE, UH, ALL REGISTERED UNDER AND SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, WASHINGTON COUNTY'S RIGHT.
WE MAYBE NEED TO LOOK AT THIS.
OR MAYBE YOU'RE AGAINST IT, YOU KNOW, NO, WE DON'T WANT 'EM, YOU LOOKING AT NOTHING, KEEP IT AWAY.
WHATEVER YOU'RE SIDE IT IS THAT YOU'RE ON, UH, I INVITE YOU TO REACH OUT TO THE STATE AND MAKE YOUR FEELINGS AND, AND YOUR IDEAS KNOWN.
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I THINK IT'S THE PROFESSIONALS THAT CAN GUIDE US TO A MORE REASONABLE, UH, PLAN.'CAUSE CURRENTLY, MYSELF, I DON'T BELIEVE, UH, THAT THIS, THE WAY THEY'RE DOING IT IS, IS REASONABLE BECAUSE, UH, WHEN MY MOTHER AND MY SISTER, TWO LITTLE OLD LADIES, YOU KNOW, UH, LIVING IN A, A GIANT FIVE BEDROOM HOUSE THAT HAD A MASSIVE SYSTEM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, RIDICULOUS TO PUMP IT OUT, THEY, THEY PUMPED OUT NOTHING.
YOU KNOW, IT WAS SO, IT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE, BUT THEY WERE INCURRING THESE COSTS.
UH, I DON'T BELIEVE THE STATE IS USUALLY VERY GOOD AT FIXING ANYTHING.
CERTAINLY NOT THE LEGISLATURE.
USUALLY THEY'RE FULL OF WHAT WE'RE PUMPING OUT.
OKAY? SO, UH, HAVING SAID THAT, THOUGH, UH, THEY DO HAVE THE PROFESSIONALS THAT, YOU KNOW, AT THE DNR AND, AND PEOPLE WHO STUDY LAND USE AND CONSERVATION AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, AND I'D BE WILLING TO LISTEN TO THEM.
UM, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE SHOULD NECESSARILY POSTPONE THIS, THIS IS MY OPINION, UM, BECAUSE I DO BELIEVE THAT WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANYTHING SPECIFICALLY TO BE DONE, BUT MERELY RECOMMENDING THAT THEY OPEN UP AND TAKE A LOOK AT THIS.
SO THAT'S MY 2 CENTS WORTH IN.
WE ARE NOT TAKING ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS, SIR.
UM, SO, BUT IF YOU'D STILL LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION, OF COURSE, I WOULD HONOR THE MOTION.
WE'LL LET, UH, WE'LL LET CHAIRMAN SCH LIFE ALSO CHIME IN.
UM, OUR GOVERNOR IN MADISON, WHETHER YOU LIKE HIM OR NOT, HAS MADE A BIG PUSH FOR WATER QUALITY.
SO I THINK A RESOLUTION ADVISORY GOING UP TO SAY, CHANGE THIS WITHOUT DATA TO BACK IT UP.
AND I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF EXPERTISE HERE, BUT, UM, AS SUPERVISOR KREBS SAID, THERE ARE HOMEOWNERS THAT TAKE GOOD CARE OF THEIR SYSTEMS AND THERE ARE HOMEOWNERS THAT YOU DARN WELL BETTER HAVE 'EM FORCED TO DO SOMETHING EVERY THREE YEARS OR THEIR SYSTEMS ARE GONNA FAIL.
AND SO I CAN GO EITHER WAY ON THIS.
MAYBE IT'S GOOD TO POSTPONE IT A LITTLE WHILE AND, AND GET SOME MORE INPUT.
SO WE'VE GOT DATA TO BACK IT UP WHEN WE SEND A RESOLUTION, BECAUSE ADVISORY RESOLUTIONS MIGHT NOT GO FAR IN MADISON AND THE PRESENT CLIMATE.
UH, SO HAVING THAT SAID, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MOTION, I WOULD LIKE TO POSTPONE THIS RESOLUTION UNTIL THE SCHEDULED, UH, ALL RIGHT.
WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THE SUPERVISOR.
UH, WE ALREADY THANK YOU SUPERVISOR CONRAD, MR. UH, SUPERVISOR MARY BEAT YOU TO IT.
UM, OKAY, SO WE HAVE A FIRST, WE HAVE A SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? FURTHER DISCUSSION? YES.
MS. UH, SUPERVISOR CONRAD, SUPERVISOR MARY CHIMED IN.
MARY, ONE QUESTION I ASK IF WE'RE GONNA POSTPONE IT, WHAT ARE WE GONNA HAVE BACK? WHAT NEW INFORMATION ARE WE GONNA BE SEEKING TO MAKE FOR THE NEXT DISCUSSION? WHAT INFORMATION ARE WE ASKING? WE'RE GONNA HAVE IT PUT IT OFF FOR A MONTH.
WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN BETWEEN NOW AND THEN THAT WE'LL HAVE A NEW POINT OF DISCUSSION AT THE MAIN MEETING? AND I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.
UH, I WOULD, MY, MY INTENTION BY THE NEXT MEETING IS I WOULD BE LOOKING FOR ANY INPUT, UM, TO BE RECEIVED FROM GENERAL PUBLIC TOWARDS MYSELF AT LEAST, OR ON THE OTHER MEMBERS OF THIS COMMITTEE.
UM, AND THEN FROM THERE, I WOULD, THERE, THERE PERSONALLY IS SOME LANGUAGE IN THIS RESOLUTION AS IT SETS THAT I'M COMFORTABLE WITH SAY, MINOR TWEAKS OR CHANGES OF STUFF.
BUT I WOULD, I'D TAKE, I WOULD TAKE THIS RESOLUTION PROBABLY JUST MARK, I WOULD PREFER TO SEE IT PRESENTED.
I'M NOT SAYING, I'M NOT SAYING THERE'S GONNA BE ANY MORE HARD DATA LIKE THAT.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S EVEN OUR COUNTY'S JOB TO PRODUCE THAT.
THIS IS, I THINK THE RESOLUTION SHOULD BE FORMATTED AND CHANGED SLIGHTLY OR, AND CHANGE IT IN A WAY WHERE IT ENCOURAGES THE STATE STRONGER TO LOOK MORE INTO THE OVERALL, OR THE JUST REASSESS THE, THE SYSTEM.
LIKE IT'S A WHOLE NEW PROGRAM THAT, 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW THERE IS NO, WE HAVE NO IDEA HOW WE GOT HERE.
SO IT SMART ENOUGH IF EVERYTHING ELSE, THE D SHOULD, THEY SHOULD HAVE A LOT MORE DATA ON
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WHY WE'RE DOING THIS.SO WE'RE ENCOURAGING THEM TO REALLY ASK THEM ALL ABOUT, YOU WORK WITH THE STAFF TO DEVELOP THAT WORDING.
I, I, ARE THEY GONNA KNOW WHAT, WHAT, I GOT A RED PEN HERE.
I'LL, I'LL, I'LL MARK IT UP AND RETURN IT BACK TO THE STAFF.
SO I WANNA MAKE SURE IF WE'RE GONNA POSTPONE IT, WHAT ARE WE POSTPONING IT TO? YEP.
NO, MY INTENTION WOULD BE IS I'LL GIVE YOU A, A BRIAN KREBS VERSION OF THE RESOLUTION FOR YOU TO VOTE ON KREBS VERSION.
SO WE, WE KIND OF GET TO AN AREA WHERE, UM, I'LL BE HONEST, I'M NOT SURE WHAT, UH, WOULD BE THE CORRECT AND PROPER WAY TO GO THROUGH.
UM, BUT, UH, IF MS. LUDWIG WOULD CARE TO CHIME IN, YES.
SO I WOULD ADVISE THAT IF YOU HAVE AMENDMENTS TO THE RESOLUTION, WHETHER IT'S JUST SUPERVISOR KREBS SUBMITTING THEM, OR MULTIPLE BOARD MEMBERS WHO WANNA PROVIDE THEIR COMMENTS, THAT THOSE GO THROUGH YOUR STAFF PERSON AS IT RELATES TO YOUR COMMENTS ON THE RESOLUTION.
UM, AND THEN WE CAN WORK COLLABORATIVELY WITH, UM, YOUR OFFICE TO KIND OF PREPARE AND PREPARE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THE OPTIONS OR WHAT THE FEEDBACK THAT'S BEEN RECEIVED FOR YOUR NEXT MEETING.
UM, AND WE CAN ALSO SHARE, AND, AND WE DID TAKE NAMES, WELL, WE CAN SHARE, UM, ANY ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVE, UM, SPECIFICALLY WITH YOU, WITH ALL OF YOU, UM, SEVERAL WEEKS PRIOR WHENEVER WE FEEL LIKE WE HAVE GOOD FEEDBACK SO THAT YOU HAVE THAT IN, IN YOUR COMMENTS.
THEN I WOULD SUGGEST ALSO, UH, PERHAPS THAT THE, UH, PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE PRESENT TODAY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAYBE SEND AN EMAIL IN, UH, EXPRESSING THEIR POINT OF VIEW, UM, SO THAT YOU MAY RECEIVE IT, SUPERVISOR KREBS, UM, AND THE REST OF THE COMMITTEE SO THAT YOU CAN MAYBE TAKE A LOOK AS A WHOLE, IF THAT MIGHT INFLUENCE HOW YOU MIGHT REDRAFT THIS RESOLUTION.
IT MIGHT ALSO HELP TO KNOW WHY THREE YEARS WAS PICKED IN THE FIRST PLACE.
MAYBE THERE'S GOOD DATA TO SUPPORT THAT, OR MAYBE THEY THREW SOME PUMPING AGAINST THE WALL AND
SO, UM, I'M TRYING MY BEST, I'M A TRUCK DRIVER.
SO
UH, SUPERVISOR CONRAD, SORRY ABOUT THAT.
THAT THANK CHAIR AND THANK YOU SUPERVISOR.
UM, YES, I ALSO AGREE WITH SUPERVISOR CREDS ABOUT REALLY THAT VERBIAGE OF DEREGULATION EVEN, YOU KNOW, OUR DISCUSSIONS HERE REALLY AREN'T ABOUT, OOH, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO DEREGULATE.
IT'S LIKE WE NEED TO REALLY PUT SOMETHING FORWARD THAT, UM, IS MORE TOWARDS, YOU KNOW, THE EVIDENCE OF WHAT'S REALLY THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
UM, AND SO THAT, THAT LANGUAGE DOES CONCERN ME, AND I WOULD YEAH, AS WRITTEN TOO.
UM, I WOULD NOT APPROVE THIS AT THE TIME WITHOUT, UH, ADJUSTING SOME LANGUAGE IN THERE.
AND, AND AGAIN, I, I WOULD, UM, CAUTION AND STATE THAT WE ALL HAVE, UH, OUR EVIDENCE OF, OF WHAT WE BELIEVE MIGHT BE THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
BUT WE ARE ALSO, UH, NOVICES, WE DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO THIS, AND WE DON'T KNOW THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS THAT, UH, PUMPING OR NOT PUMPING OR ALL THE REST OF THAT.
UM, SO I WOULD NOT MAKE ANY SUGGESTION FROM THIS COMMITTEE THAT, THAT WE WOULD MOVE ON A RESOLUTION THAT WOULD OFFER UP THAT TYPE OF THING NECESSARILY.
UM, I WOULD PROBABLY WANT THE STATE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN CERTAINLY SAY WE'D LIKE TO KNOW THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT OF, YOU KNOW, AN OVERFLOWING SYSTEM OR, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, OR WHY WE PICKED THREE YEARS, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
CERTAINLY I WOULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, NO PROBLEM WITH, UH, WITH THAT.
BUT I WOULDN'T WANT TO OFFER ANY TYPE OF GUIDANCE TO THE STATE AND THE PROFESSIONALS.
UH, YOU KNOW, I WOULD PROBABLY LEAVE THE LETTERS THAT WE GET FROM OUR PUMPERS, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE FREE TO GUIDE THEM.
THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO AS AN AMERICAN, YOU KNOW, PUT YOUR INPUT INTO YOUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND INTO YOUR STATE GOVERNMENT.
SO, I, I WOULDN'T TRY AS A COMMITTEE MEMBER HERE TO GUIDE THE STATE LIKE THAT.
UM, BUT CERTAINLY YOU ARE THE EXPERT.
SO, UH, I THINK YOUR VOICE WOULD BE RELATIVELY PERTINENT TO THIS DISCUSSION.
YES, CHAIR TH THANK YOU FOR THOSE COMMENTS.
AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHY I AM UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THOSE WORDS, A DEREGULATION, BECAUSE IT MAKES US THINK THAT WE HAVE SOME KNOWLEDGE THAT'S WHAT'S CURRENT SAFE
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IS NOT APPROPRIATE, AND THAT THINGS SHOULD BE DEREGULATED WHERE WE'RE REALLY NOT IN THE POSITION TO MAKE THAT DECISION.UM, JUST WANNA MAKE THE STATEMENT THAT I WOULD LIKE THE COMMUNITY, HOMEOWNERS STATE, YOU KNOW, VOICE ON THIS MATTER TO THE PEOPLE THAT OWN THE HOMES.
I MEAN, DON'T YOU? I MEAN, I JUST FEEL LIKE THEY SHOULD HAVE A RIGHT TO, BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN QUESTIONING THIS FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS, WHY THIS IS EVEN BEING DONE.
WELL, I THINK CERTAINLY WE ARE TAKING THE ROLE OF THE HOMEOWNERS IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE.
I MEAN, WE ARE LOOKING OUT FOR THE INTERESTS OF THEM BY SUGGESTING THAT THIS MAY OR MAY NOT BE THE RIGHT WAY TO GO, BECAUSE IT DOESN'T APPEAR THAT WAY TO US.
THAT'S WHY I LIKE WHAT THIS STATES OUT HERE.
NO, I, I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS AND YOU KNOW, THAT I, I BELIEVE THAT THAT'S WHAT WE ARE BASICALLY HERE.
WE, WE REPRESENT THE HOMEOWNERS.
I MEAN, WE REPRESENT ALL OF OUR CONSTITUENTS, BOTH THE PROFESSIONALS AND THE HOMEOWNERS.
UM, BUT IT WOULD APPEAR TO ME THAT THIS RESOLUTION IS DRAFTED SPECIFICALLY, OR, UH, THAT, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS THAT IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT THE HOMEOWNER, UH, IS NECESSARILY IN THEIR BEST INTEREST.
AND ALTHOUGH WE MAKE A CONCESSION THAT WE DON'T KNOW, BECAUSE NONE OF THIS REALLY APPEARS TO BE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO REASONING BEHIND A LOT OF IT, OR AT LEAST NOT ANY THAT'S APPARENT.
SO, AND ANOTHER LOOK AT IT, I THINK WOULD MAKE SENSE.
SO ANYWAY, WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE.
WE HAVE A SECOND ON THE TABLE.
ANY MORE DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? IS THE MOTION.
THE MOTION IS TO POSTPONE TO NEXT MONTH, UH, THE, UM, THE RESOLUTION TO ALLOW FOR TIME FOR A LITTLE BIT MORE INPUT ON THE RESOLUTION ITSELF, AND HOPEFULLY, UH, GET SOME AMENDMENTS.
UM, AND FEEL FREE TO STRIKE SOME THINGS OR, OR LOOK AT WHAT YOU THINK WORKS AND WHAT DOESN'T.
AND, UH, THEN AT THAT POINT, WE'LL LOOK AT IT AGAIN AND, UH, WE'LL HOPEFULLY BE ABLE TO PASS IT THROUGH.
UH, SEEING NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, I'LL SIGN SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, SO ONE OPPOSED, GOT THE KI.
UM, AND I THINK THAT PRETTY MUCH LEADS IT TO NEXT MONTH.
SEEING AS WE'RE ALL IN A RESOLUTION MOOD,
UM, BUT, UH, IT SEEMS TO MAKE SENSE.
WE, WE HAD, UH, TAKE A LOOK AT 2025 RESOLUTION CONFIRMING PROVIDING MUNICIPAL PLANNING SERVICES TO THE TOWN OF ADDISON AS PART OF THE SHARED REVENUE OF THE COUNTY SALES TAX.
AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE BEEN, UH, WE'VE BEEN DOING, WE'VE DONE A FEW TIMES BEFORE.
SO I'LL NEED A FIRST AND A SECOND MOTION BY SUPERVISOR KREBS.
NEED A SECOND? SECOND BY SUPERVISOR PRIDE MORE.
AND DEBBIE WILL BE, UH, SPEAKING ON THIS.
PLEASE GO AHEAD, MOVE THIS A LITTLE BIT SO I CAN MOVE THIS DOWN.
SO WE'RE WORKING WITH THE TOWN OF ADDISON.
UH, WE'RE, YOU'RE ON THE WRONG THING.
UM, I MOVED TO ITEM E, WHICH IS RESOLUTION CONFIRMING, PROVIDING MUNICIPAL PLANNING SERVICES TO THE TOWN OF ADDISON.
THEY GOT THE MULTI-JURISDICTIONAL COMPREHENSIVE ON THE BOARD.
SO WE ARE, UH, WORKING WITH THE TOWN OF ADDISON ON SOME SHARED, UH, PLANNING SERVICES.
UM, IT'LL INCLUDE A MINOR UPDATE TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UM, AND ALSO DEVELOP
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A, UH, SCORP, WHICH IS THE, UM, OUTDOOR RECREATION PLAN, A VERY SIMILAR TO OUR COUNTY PARK AND OPEN SPACE PLAN BEFORE THE TOWN.AND THEN ALSO WORK ON A, A MASTER PLAN, UH, FOR A PARK, UM, AND A TRAIL CONNECTION TO SOME DNR PROPERTY.
SO WE'RE GONNA GET STARTED ON THAT, UM, HOPEFULLY IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS.
ANY DISCUSSION? SUPERVISOR KREBS? UM, COULD YOU EXPLAIN OR VERIFY, I GUESS THEY CURRENT, CURRENTLY THE PLANNER THAT THEY HAVE, OR THEY'RE ZONING, WHATEVER THEIR TITLE? I CAN'T, I'M SORRY.
THEIR, THEIR ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AT THE TOWN.
AND JUST FOR THIS PARTICULAR ONE, UM, THE COUNTY'S NOT GONNA REPLACE THAT.
WE, THE SHARED SERVICES PLANNER IS NOT, HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH ENFORCEMENT AT ALL.
IT'S REALLY PLANNING SERVICES TO HELP OUT THE MUNICIPALITIES, UM, THAT DON'T HAVE FULL-TIME PLANNERS.
SO, YOU KNOW, DOING LONG-TERM PLANNING, UM, COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING UPDATES, UM, WORKING ON PARK, OPEN, OPEN SPACE PLANNING, IF THERE'S A, A SEWER SERVICE AREA THAT, UM, WE CAN ASSIST SEWER PACK ON.
UM, THERE COULD BE AMENDMENTS TO THEIR ZONING CODE AND WE WOULD HELP WITH, UM, GOING THROUGH THAT PLANNING PROCESS OF UPDATING A ZONING CODE, BUT IT IS NOT ENFORCEMENT.
SO, AND THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.
BUT I WANTED MAKE SURE THAT THIS ISN'T, LIKE, FROM THE GENERAL PUBLIC'S POINT OF VIEW, IT'S NOT GONNA BE COUNTY, COUNTY IS NOT GONNA BE THE FACE OF THE TOWN OF ADDISON AND THOSE SITUATIONS.
THIS IS BEHIND THE SCENES TYPE STUFF.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT.
SEEING NONE, I WILL, UH, BRING IT TO A VOTE PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
OPPOSED? AND THE AYES HAVE IT.
MOVING ON, UH, YOU ARE HANDLING THE MULTI-JURISDICTIONAL COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING OVERVIEW THEN.
OKAY, THEN WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO THAT.
UM, UM, SO WE HAVE BEEN, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN WORKING ON THE UPDATE, UM, TO THE FARMLAND PRESERVATION PLAN.
UM, AND WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF, UM, UPDATING THE PLAN THAT WAS, UM, ADOPTED 10 YEARS AGO.
IT HAS TO BE UPDATED EVERY 10 YEARS.
THE FARMLAND PRESERVATION PLAN HAS TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE COUNTY MULTI-JURISDICTIONAL COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND IT HAS TO BE INCORPORATED INTO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BY AN AMENDMENT.
SO I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE, UM, BENEFICIAL FOR THIS COMMITTEE TO HAVE JUST A, A GENERAL OVERVIEW OF COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING AND HOW IT TIES TO THE FARMLAND PRESERVATION PLAN, UM, BEFORE ADAM COMES UP AND DOES A PRESENTATION OF THE FARMLAND PRESERVATION, UM, PLAN ITSELF.
UM, AND I WANTED TO POINT OUT TOO, AT THE, UH, THE NEXT MEETING OF THIS COMMITTEE IN MAY, UM, YOU'LL HAVE, YOU'LL HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING, UH, FOR THE FARMLAND PRESERVATION PLAN, UM, AND, UH, ALSO CONSIDER RESOLUTION AND AN ORDINANCE.
UM, AND TYPICALLY I WOULD HAVE BEEN PROVIDING THAT INFORMATION AND THESE PRESENTATIONS AT THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, SO I'M ACTUALLY THE CULPRIT
I WANTED TO PROVIDE A FULL MONTH, UM, FOR THIS COMMITTEE TO, UM, GET THIS INFORMATION.
UM, SO YOU CAN, UH, CONSIDER IT.
YOU HAVE A WHOLE MONTH NOW TO REVIEW THE FARMLAND PRESERVATION PLAN THAT HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO YOU.
SO I APOLOGIZE FOR ANY, UM, MISCOMMUNICATION, BUT THE, THE INTENT WAS GOOD, UM, TO PROVIDE YOU WITH MORE TIME TO REVIEW THIS BEFORE NEXT MONTH'S PUBLIC HEARING.
ALRIGHT, SO LET'S JUMP INTO COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING.
UM, SO, UH, THE REQUIREMENTS ARE OUTLINED IN, UM, STATE STATUTE, UM, 66 1, UH, 0 0 66 1 0 0 1.
UM, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS REALLY A GUIDING DOCUMENT THAT HELPS GUIDE ALL THE PLANNING EFFORTS, UM, IN THE COUNTY, SUCH AS THE PARK AND OPEN SPACE PLAN, LAND AND WATER RESOURCES MANAGEMENT PLAN,
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AND OUR FARMLAND PRESERVATION PLAN.UM, STATE STATUTE REQUIRES THAT ZONING SUBDIVISION AND OFFICIAL MAPPING ORDINANCES BE CONSISTENT WITH COMPREHENSIVE PLANS, UM, MEANING THAT IT FURTHERS AND DOES NOT CONTRACT, UH, CONTRADICT, UM, PLAN GOALS, OBJECTIVES, POLICIES AND PROGRAMS. AND THEN ANOTHER KEY FACTOR OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS OUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP, UH, WHICH PROVIDES A VISUAL PRESENTATION OF, UM, THE FUTURE, UM, LAND USE DESIGNATION FOR THE COUNTY.
UH, ONE KEY THING TO REMEMBER IS THAT, UM, ZONING ORDINANCES, SUBDIVISION LIKE OUR, OUR COUNTY LAND DIVISION ORDINANCE, OUR SHORELAND WETLAND FLOODPLAIN ORDINANCES, THEY NEED TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
OUR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS, THEIR ZONING HAS TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THEIR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO LOCAL GOVERNMENT COMP, LOCAL GOVERNMENT COMPREHENSIVE PLANS DO NOT HAVE TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO THAT'S A, A KEY ASPECT OF COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING.
UH, THERE ARE NINE REQUIRED ELEMENTS OF THE PLAN.
UM, THERE ARE LISTED HERE ISSUES, OPPORTUNITIES, UM, HOUSING, TRANSPORTATION, UH, UTILITIES, COMMUNITY FACILITIES, UH, AGRICULTURAL NATURAL RESOURCES, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, INTERGOVERNMENTAL COOPERATION, LAND USE.
AND THEN, UH, THE IMPLEMENTATION.
AND EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE ELEMENTS, UM, IN OUR PLAN, UM, HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS AND IT'S THE GOALS, OBJECTIVES, POLICIES, AND PROGRAMS. UM, THE, UH, CONFERENCE PLAN WAS UPDATED, UM, JUST IT WAS ADOPTED IN APRIL OF 2019, UM, BY THE COUNTY BOARD.
UM, IT ALIGNS WITH THE COUNTY'S STRATEGIC PRIORITIES, UM, THAT WERE ESTABLISHED IN 2016.
UM, IT FOCUSES ON THE COUNTY AUTHORITY.
UM, SO THE CONFERENCE PLAN HAD SHIFTED THE FOCUS, UM, FROM EACH ONE OF THOSE ELEMENTS, AND WE SHIFTED IT TO THE ACTUAL AUTHORITY AND OBLIGATIONS THAT THE COUNTY HAS AND IT'S OUTLINED BY DEPARTMENT AND DIVISION.
AND THEN WE ALSO LOOKED AT EACH ONE OF THOSE, UH, PROGRAMS AND DETERMINE IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY DOING AN ONGOING, OR IS THIS A FIVE YEAR GOAL OR A 10 YEAR GOAL, A LONG TERM GOAL? UM, AND ANY NEW POLICIES AND PROGRAMS ACTUALLY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE COUNTY BOARD BUDGET PROCESS BEFORE THEY GET APPROVED.
IT'S JUST BECAUSE THE COUNTY BOARD APPROVES THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOES NOT MEAN THAT EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE NEW PROGRAMS ARE AUTOMATICALLY APPROVED.
SO THIS IS AN EXAMPLE, UM, FROM THE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT, UM, POLICIES AND PROGRAMS. AND AS YOU CAN SEE, UM, I KNOW IT'S A KIND OF SMALL PRINT THERE, IT'S HARD TO SEE.
BUT, UM, THE YELLOW, UM, SHOWS EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE, UH, SEVEN OF THE MAIN NINE, UM, COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING ELEMENTS AND HOW THAT PROGRAM RELATES TO EACH ONE OF THOSE ELEMENTS.
THE AREA IN THE ORANGE IS THE TIMING AS FAR AS THE GOAL.
IS THIS A CURRENT PRO PROGRAM THAT WE'RE WORKING ON, OR IS IT A FIVE YEAR OR A LONG-TERM GOAL? AND THEN THE AREA IN THE GREEN FOCUSES IN ON THOSE COUNTY STRATEGIC GOALS.
SO EVERY SINGLE, UM, PROGRAM THAT'S IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UM, IS RELATED TO EACH ONE OF THOSE CATEGORIES.
AND IT'S ALL BASED, AGAIN, ON THAT DEPARTMENT OR DIVISION.
SO IT REALLY KIND HONES IN ON THE REAL AUTHORITY THAT THE COUNTY HAS.
UM, THE, UM, DIFFERENT SECTIONS OF THE RECOMMENDATION, UM, COVER AGAIN THE, THE DEPARTMENTS, UM, SINCE THIS WAS CREATED, UM, AND ADOPTED IN 2019, WE'VE HAD SOME SHIFTING, UH, HIGHWAY TRANSIT, LAND WATER CONSERVATION, LAND USE PLANNING, UM, AND THAT SHOULD IT SAY COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AS WELL.
WE HAVE A, A JOINT HEALTH DEPARTMENT, UM, EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, SHERIFF'S OFFICE, AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT AS WELL BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S NOT JUST THOSE PROGRAMS THAT WE PARTNER WITH THE EDWC ON, UM, BUT ANY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT RELATED PROGRAM, UM, THAT THE COUNTY HAS.
SO A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THAT WOULD BE OUR, UM, HEART AND HOMESTEAD PROGRAM OR OUR NEXT GENERATION HOUSING PROGRAM.
UH, WE ALSO HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS, UM, AS WELL AS OUR PARTNERING ORGANIZATIONS.
AND THESE ARE JUST A LIST OF, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE ARE PROVIDING TO THE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS AND IF THEY ARE INTERESTED IN, UM, PURSUING, UM, THAT THE COUNTY IS SUPPORTING, UM, THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS.
UH, I WANNA FOCUS NOW ON THE FUTURE LAND USE
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PLAN MAP.UM, THIS IS REALLY A GUIDE FOR NOT ONLY WHERE WE WANT URBAN DEVELOPMENT, BUT ALSO PRESERVING AGRICULTURAL NATURAL RESOURCES.
UH, THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN FOR WASHINGTON COUNTY IS ACTUALLY A PATCHWORK OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT PLANTS, UM, BY STATE STATUE.
WASHINGTON COUNTY COULD HAVE CREATED OUR OWN LAND USE PLAN FOR THE UNINCORPORATED AREAS, ACTUALLY ALL THE AREAS OUTSIDE OF THE MUNICIPAL BOUNDARIES IN WASHINGTON COUNTY.
BUT THAT ACTUALLY WOULD'VE PROVIDED AND CREATED MORE CONFLICTS.
AND SO WHEN WE ADOPTED THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ON THE COUNTY BOARD OF PASSED A RESOLUTION SAYING THAT TO REDUCE POTENTIAL FUTURE CONFLICTS, THE COUNTY WILL INCORPORATE THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN OF THE CITIES AND VILLAGES AUTOMATICALLY WITHIN THEIR MUNICIPAL BOUNDARIES.
BUT WE WILL ALSO INCORPORATE THE LAND USE PLANS FOR EACH ONE OF THE TOWNS.
SO THE COUNTY LAND USE PLAN MAP IS A PATCHWORK OF ALL OF OUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT PLANS PUT TOGETHER.
SO THERE ARE, UH, THREE MAIN WAYS THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UM, WOULD NEED TO BE AMENDED.
UH, THE FIRST ONE AND THE ONE THAT THIS COMMITTEE WOULD PROBABLY SEE THE MOST OF, UM, OUR LAND DIVISIONS.
SO, UH, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENTS, UM, THEY HAVE TO TAKE PLACE, UM, PRIOR TO THE ACTUAL LAND DIVISION REQUEST.
UM, BECAUSE THE ORDINANCES HAVE TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.
SO WHEN A LAND DIVISION, UH, COMES FORWARD, UM, LET'S SAY IT IS A LAND DIVISION THAT'S HAPPENING AT THE TOWN LEVEL.
UM, AND SO THE TOWN WILL LOOK AT THEIR FUTURE LAND USE PLAN.
AND IF THAT SUBDIVISION PLAT DOES NOT ALIGN WITH THE TOWN'S FUTURE LAND USE FOR THAT AREA, THEN THE TOWN WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH AND AMEND THEIR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AND SINCE THE COUNTY'S PLAN IS A PATCHWORK OF THAT LOCAL GOVERNMENT PLAN, THEN WE WOULD ALSO CONSIDER AN AMENDMENT TO THE COUNTY PLAN, UH, A MAP AMENDMENT TO THAT FUTURE LAND USE PLAN.
AND THEN WE WOULD CONSIDER THE LAND DIVISION REQUEST.
SO IT'S A, IT'S A WHOLE SERIES OF, UM, TIMED EVENTS THAT HAVE TO HAPPEN IN A CERTAIN ORDER BECAUSE IT ALL GOES BACK TO THE ORDINANCES NEEDING TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE PLAN.
UH, ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF AN AMENDMENT WOULD BE A TEXT CHANGE.
SO IF THERE'S A CHANGE TO THE, UM, THE GOALS OR OBJECTIVES OR SOME OF THE PROGRAMS IN THE COUNTY, UM, THEN THAT WOULD PROMPT AN AMENDMENT TO THE PLAN.
AND THEN THE LAST AMENDMENT WOULD BE CAUSED BY, UH, WHAT WE ARE ACTUALLY WORKING ON RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS THE, THE UPDATE TO THE FARMLAND PRESERVATION PLAN AND THE NEED FOR THAT PLAN TO BE NOT ONLY CONSISTENT WITH THE COMP PLAN, BUT ALSO INCORPORATED TO IN THE COMP PLAN AS AN AMENDMENT.
UM, SO THE, UH, FARMLAND PRESERVATION PLAN WILL BE AN AMENDMENT TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ITSELF.
UM, AND THEN WE GO THROUGH ALL THE REQUIREMENTS TO AMEND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UM, SO THE PROCESS, UM, AND THERE'S A PROCESS THAT FOLLOWS STATE STATUTE.
UM, AND THE COUNTY HAS ADOPTED A PUBLIC PARTICIPATION PLAN, WHICH IS ALSO A REQUIREMENT, UH, FOR ALL OF OUR AMENDMENTS.
UM, IT REQUIRES A CLASS ONE, UH, 30 DAY PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE.
UM, SO THAT PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING THAT THIS COMMITTEE IS HAVING NEXT MONTH, UM, WAS ALREADY PUBLISHED EARLIER THIS WEEK, UM, TO ABIDE BY THAT REQUIREMENT.
AND THEN WE'VE ALSO PROVIDED, UM, THE AMENDMENT AND THE PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE HAS TO BE SENT TO THE CLERK OF EVERY LOCAL GOVERNMENT, UM, WITHIN AND ADJOINING THE COUNTY, THE DEPARTMENT OF ADMINISTRATION SEWER PACK, UH, THE LIBRARY SERVING WASHINGTON COUNTY.
SO THEN THE PUBLIC HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE FARMLAND PRESERVATION PLAN AND ALL NON-METALLIC MINING OPERATORS.
AND WE ACTUALLY SENT IT OUT TO, UH, SOME ADDITIONAL INDIVIDUALS AS WELL, LIKE SOME OF THE, UM, THE ON STAFF PLANNERS THROUGHOUT WASHINGTON COUNTY.
SO THEY HAVE AN, AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE IT AS WELL.
UM, THEN, UM, AFTER THE, UM, THE PUBLIC HEARING, UM, IS BEFORE THIS COMMITTEE, UH, THEN THIS COMMITTEE WILL CONSIDER A RESOLUTION AND ORDINANCE.
AND WHAT IS UNIQUE ABOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS A FACT THAT IT IS NOT JUST APPROVED BY RESOLUTION, BUT IT HAS TO BE APPROVED BY ORDINANCE AS WELL WITH THE RESOLUTION BEING APPROVED FIRST.
AND THEN THE ORDINANCE AGAIN IS THAT IT'S AN ACCURATE TIMING THAT HAS TO HAPPEN IN SPECIFIC ORDER.
UM, SO THEN THIS COMMITTEE WOULD CONSIDER THE AMENDMENT RESOLUTION AND THEN THE ORDINANCE, UM, THEN THEY WOULD GO TO COUNTY BOARD FOR FINAL CONSIDERATION.
UM, AND THEN WE WOULD MAKE THE APPROPRIATE
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CHANGES IN THAT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.UM, SO AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, OUR CURRENT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UM, WAS, UH, UPDATED A COUPLE YEARS AGO, WAS ADOPTED, UH, APRIL OF 2019.
UM, WE ARE ACTUALLY IN THE PROCESS OF DOING A FIVE YEAR UPDATE TO THE COUNTY BOARD, UH, WHICH IS ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE COMP PLAN.
SO WE WORK WITH ALL THE DEPARTMENTS AND DIVISIONS THAT WERE OUTLINED ON A PREVIOUS SLIDE.
UH, WE ASK THOSE DEPARTMENT HEADS TO LOOK AT EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE POLICIES AND PROGRAMS THAT WERE RECOMMENDED IN THE COMP PLAN, UM, AND TO UPDATE THOSE, UPDATE THOSE.
ARE THEY STILL CURRENT? UM, HAVE THEY BEEN WORKING ON THEM? IS IT A, A PROGRAM OR POLICY THAT NEEDS TO CHANGE BASED ON ACTION OF THE, THE COMMITTEE OR THE COUNTY BOARD? UM, ARE THERE NEW PROGRAMS THAT THEY HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THAT NEED TO BE INCORPORATED INTO THE COMP PLAN? UM, SO THESE CHANGES, UM, WILL LIKELY BE BEFORE THIS COMMITTEE IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS.
UM, AND THEN IT WILL GO FORWARD TO THE COUNTY BOARD FOR CONSIDERATION.
SO THAT IS A VERY QUICK AND GENERAL OVERVIEW OF COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING.
AND, UM, I HOPE I HAVE, UH, UH, SET THE STAGE, UH, FOR YOU TO KIND OF UNDERSTAND, UM, WHY THE, UM, FARMLAND PRESERVATION PLAN NEEDS TO BE INCORPORATED AS AN AMENDMENT TO THE COMP PLAN AND HOW THOSE TWO PLANS CONNECT.
SO, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY.
UH, DOES THE COMMITTEE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. SISKI? SUPERVISOR KREBS? SO FOR NEXT MONTH'S PUBLIC HEARING, IS THAT ONLY FARMLAND PRESERVATION OR ARE THERE OTHER AMENDMENTS THAT, THAT ARE GONNA BE INCORPORATED INTO THE, THE AMENDMENT TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WILL ONLY BE FARMLAND PRESERVATION.
I'M TRYING TO ZERO IN ON WHAT YEP.
IT SAID IN THERE THAT WE DO A FIVE YEAR BOOK, OR I THINK IT WAS FIVE YEAR UP RECOMMENDATION DATES.
ARE WE DOING ANY, OR IS THERE ANY PLAN TO DO ANY, UH, OTHER AMENDMENTS TO THE PLAN? SO, OR WHETHER IN TERM SUBSTANTIAL, OR ARE WE GONNA WAIT MORE TOWARDS THE END OF THIS LIKE 29TH? YEAH, WE, WE DO THE MAJOR UPDATE EVERY 10 YEARS.
IT IS, UH, QUITE AN UNDERTAKING.
UM, AND DOING AN UPDATE TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IT'S USUALLY ABOUT A, A YEAR AND A HALF TO TWO YEAR PROCESS.
UM, SO THE FIVE YEAR UPDATE IS REALLY JUST LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE POLICIES AND THE, THE PROGRAMS AND, AND UPDATING WHERE WE NEED TO UPDATE.
WE INCORPORATE, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT, UM, UH, HAVE BEEN MADE, UH, THROUGH ACTION OF DIFFERENT COMMITTEES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY OR THE COUNTY BOARD.
UM, BUT WE WILL WAIT, UM, CLOSER TO PROBABLY, OH GOSH, PROBABLY 2020, THE END OF 2027, I THINK.
UM, WE'LL START TAKING A LOOK AT THE FULL UPDATE TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THE PATCHWORK OF LOCAL PLANS, HOW IT'S INCORPORATED INTO MM-HMM
FOR FUTURE OR FOR LAND, FUTURE LAND USE, WHEN A MIN LOCAL MUNICIPALITY MAKES A CHANGE, IS THAT AUTOMATICALLY UPDATE THE COUNTY MAP AT THAT POINT, OR, YEAH, BECAUSE I DON'T EVER RECALL, THAT'S ACTUALLY A VERY GOOD QUESTION.
VOTING, VOTING ON UPDATING, JUST LIKE THE MAP, AND I KNOW THERE'S CONSTANTLY CHANGES TO THE LOCAL MAPS.
UM, THAT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION.
UM, AND WE ONLY WILL UPDATE THE COUNTY PLAN WHEN THERE'S ADDITIONAL ACTION THAT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN, LIKE A LAND DIVISION.
SO WE CAN'T ACT ON THAT LAND DIVISION UNTIL THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ACCURATELY REFLECTS THE, UM, ELIGIBILITY OF THAT AS A LAND USE CATEGORY ON THE MAP.
NOW A TOWN CAN GO AHEAD AND THEY CAN DO NUMEROUS CHANGES TO THEIR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UM, WITHOUT IT GOING TO THE COUNTY FOR US TO CHANGE A PLAN.
UM, SO THOSE, UM, AMENDMENTS, UM, KIND OF STACK UP.
UM, BUT IT'S REALLY, THE KEY IS WHEN A REQUEST IS PROMPTED BY, UM, UH, THE IMPLEMENTATION OF AN ORDINANCE THAT THE COUNTY NEEDS TO ENFORCE THAT IS, UH, NEEDS TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
LIKE LAND DIVISION IS A VERY GOOD EXAMPLE.
SO LAND DIVISIONS OCCUR ALL THE TIME THOUGH, SO CORRECT.
BUT THEY DON'T ALWAYS PROMPT A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT.
ANY MORE QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMITTEE? OKAY.
UM, JUST MAYBE KAYLEE, YOU MIGHT HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THIS.
UH, IF WE, UH, GET DONE WITH THIS MEETING TONIGHT, DOES ALL THIS BACKGROUND INFORMATION
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DISAPPEAR ON THE SITE? 'CAUSE I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE COMMITTEE HAS, I MEAN, YOU SET IT UP SO WE HAD A MONTH TO LOOK AT IT.IT, BUT IF IT, IF IT'S HARD TO ACCESS OR WHATEVER, UM, WOULD IT BE PRUDENT MAYBE TO HAVE THAT EMAIL TO EACH OF US? SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THIS, THIS DOCUMENT IS EXTREMELY BIG AND YOU, YOU, IT, IT CAN'T GO THROUGH THE, THE EMAIL.
IT, AND IT'S HARD TO ZIP IT DOWN.
MY, MY SUGGESTION IS THAT WE COULD PROVIDE EACH OF YOU A HARD COPY OF THIS, SO THEN YOU HAVE IT AND WE COULD GET THAT PRINTED OUT AND MAILED TO YOU NEXT WEEK.
SO IF YOU WANT, IF YOU WOULD LIKE, DON'T WANNA NECESSARILY TAKE THE EXPENSE IF WE DON'T NEED TO, UM, BUT WE CAN ACCESS IT.
IS IT NOT AVAILABLE IN A PDF FORMAT THAT WE CAN LOOK AT IT? IT IS.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD IT AVAILABLE IN SOME PLACE SO THAT WE CAN GET A GOOD LOOK AT IT.
I THINK YOU'RE WASTING A LOT OF MONEY.
YEAH, I WOULDN'T, YEAH, I DON'T WANT TO PRINT IT.
DEFINITELY IT'S AVAILABLE PDF, DF YOU CAN DOWNLOAD CERTAIN SECTIONS OR PAGES YOU WANT TO STUDY AND SO ON.
NO, THAT'S, UH, THAT WOULD BE THE WAY I WOULD GO.
I DON'T WANT TO, UH, TAKE UP MORE THAN WE NEED TO.
ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT? NOPE, THAT'S IT.
AND WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE FARMLAND PRESERVATION PLAN OVERVIEW.
UH, I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO MAKE ANY MOTIONS OR ANYTHING, BUT, UM, UH, NO, THIS IS JUST A DISCUSSION ITEM, SO YOU GO AHEAD.
UM, ALSO I WANNA RECOGNIZE THAT, UH, SUPERVISOR CONRAD AND SUPERVISOR MARY, WERE BOTH ON THE FARMLAND PRESERVATION ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
UH, SO THEY PUT A LOT OF WORK TOWARDS THIS PLAN AS WELL.
SO, UH, JUST I WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE US THAT RIGHT AWAY, AND BEFORE I START, THE PLAN IS ALSO AVAILABLE ON THE COUNTY WEBSITE.
I CAN SEND A LINK TO WHERE IT CAN, LIKE EACH INDIVIDUAL CHAPTER CAN BE CLICKED ON, UH, IN ADDITION TO, IF THAT HELPS.
BUT I WOULD THINK THAT WOULD BE PROBABLY HELPFUL.
JUST EMAIL THE COMMITTEE, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO GO AHEAD AND DO THAT JUST SO WE HAVE AN EASY WAY TO ACCESS THAT INFORMATION.
'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA, OBVIOUSLY IT'S A 216 PAGE DOCUMENT.
UH, AND I DON'T ANTICIPATE YOU'RE GONNA GO THROUGH IT WORD FOR WORD TONIGHT.
UM, BUT WE WILL, UH, WANT TO REVIEW IT ALL AND MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS IN ORDER AND WE HAVE AT LEAST A RELATIVELY GOOD IDEA OF WHAT'S UP.
UH, LET'S START THE PRESENTATION.
SO I'M GONNA PRESENT ON THE COUNTY FARMLAND PRESERVATION PLAN.
UH, BUT BEFORE WE START, I'M GONNA GO REALLY GO THROUGH A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE STATE FARMLAND PRESERVATION PROGRAM AS A GOOD FOUNDATION.
SO, UH, NUMBER ONE, UH, STATE STATUTE, CHAPTER 91 IS REALLY THE GUIDING STATUTE FOR, UH, THE STATE FARMLAND PRESERVATION PROGRAM.
UH, IT OUTLINES EVERYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE WITHIN FARMLAND PRESERVATION PLANS.
UH, IT OUTLINES HOW, UH, THE ACTUAL STATE FARMLAND PRESERVATION PROGRAM IS IMPLEMENTED THROUGH ZONING, UH, AND AGRICULTURAL ENTERPRISE AREAS, HOW PEOPLE EVEN QUALIFY FOR THE TAX CREDITS THAT ARE ATTACHED TO THESE.
AND A LOT OF MORE INFORMATION, UH, ON THAT.
UH, THE SPECIFICS, UH, ON THE PROGRAM.
UH, IN ADDITION, AS DEB HAD MENTIONED, UH, THE FARMLAND PRESERVATION PLAN.
EVERY SINGLE COUNTY HAS TO UPDATE THEIR FARMLAND PRESERVATION PLAN EVERY 10 YEARS.
UH, SO THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF, YOU KNOW, WHY WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS UPDATE.
UM, RIGHT NOW, UH, IN ADDITION, UH, JUST TO CLARIFY OUR ROLE IN THE STATE FARMLAND PRESERVATION PROGRAM, UH, WE REALLY, WE DEVELOP AND UPDATE THE FARMLAND PRESERVATION PLAN, UH, BUT THEN IMPLEMENTATION TAKES PLACE AT THE TOWN AND THE LOCAL LEVEL.
UH, AND I'LL COVER THAT IMPLEMENTATION AND, UM, PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION ON THAT AND FURTHER SLIDES.
UH, BUT OVERALL, THE STATE FARMLAND PRESERVATION PROGRAM, THE INTENTION IS TO INCENTIVIZE THE PRESERVATION OF FARMLAND, UH, THROUGH TAX CREDITS.
SO, UH, PEOPLE WHO KEEP THEIR FARMLAND, WHO ARE WITHIN THESE PROGRAMS OR THIS PROGRAM, UM, THAT KEEP THEIR FARMLAND WITHIN FARMLAND FARMING USE, UH, QUALIFY FOR A TAX CREDIT IN THE END.
SO HOW OR WAYS THAT LANDOWNERS CAN QUALIFY FOR THESE TAX CREDITS? UH, THERE'S TWO METHODS.
UH, SO THERE'S THE FARMLAND PRESERVATION ZONING ORDINANCES, UH, WHICH THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH AND CONFORM TO THE STATE STATUTE, CHAPTER 91.
UH, THERE'S ALL THE REQUIREMENTS IN THERE ON WHAT'S PERMITTED AND WHAT'S CONDITIONAL USES WITHIN THESE ZONING ORDINANCES.
UM, AND THEN THEY HAVE TO BE SAT OR, UH, CERTIFIED THROUGH DAD CAP.
SO, UH, THEY'LL GET REVIEWED BY DAD CAP AND CERTIFIED TO
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MAKE SURE THAT THEY CONFORM TO THESE.THE DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE TRADE AND CONSUMER PROTECTION, UM, IS, UH, THE, IS THE ENTITY THAT RUNS THE STATE FARMLAND PRESERVATION PROGRAM.
UM, I'LL TRY TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF ACRONYMS, UM, UH, AS BEST AS I CAN.
UM, THEN IN ADDITION, UH, FOR THESE FARMLAND PRESERVATION ZONING ORDINANCES, THERE'S KIND OF TWO PATHS THAT THEY CAN, THAT TOWNS CAN CHOOSE TO TAKE ON THESE.
UH, EITHER THEY CAN CHOOSE TO ALLOW SOME NON-FARM RESIDENTS TO BE ALLOWED IN THESE, UH, PARCELS, OR THEY CAN GO THE ROUTE OF, IF THEY'RE WITHIN THE FARMLAND PRESERVATION ZONING DISTRICT.
THEREFORE, YOU KNOW, IT SHOULD ONLY BE MEANT FOR AGRICULTURAL USES.
SO THAT COULD BE THE FARM, COULD BE THE RE LIKE THE, THE FARMER'S HOUSE.
UM, BUT MOSTLY IT'S GONNA BE THE ACTUAL AGRICULTURAL USES AND NO NEW NON, UH, FARM RESIDENCES.
UH, THE SECOND METHOD IS AGRICULTURAL ENTERPRISE AREAS WITH FARMLAND PRESERVATION AGREEMENTS.
SO, UH, THIS METHOD IS BASICALLY AT LEAST FIVE LANDOWNERS NEED TO PETITION THE STATE TO CREATE AGRICULTURAL ENTERPRISE AREAS.
UH, AND THESE AREAS ARE, THESE PETITIONERS WOULD PUT TOGETHER A GROUP OF PARCELS AND PUT TOGETHER A MAP THAT SHOWS WHAT THE AGRICULTURE ENTERPRISE AREA, IT'S A, IT'S A CONGLOMERATION OR GROUPING OF PARCELS, UH, THAT THEY WANT TO DESIGNATE AS AGRICULTURE ENTERPRISE AREAS.
UH, THROUGH THIS PETITION PROCESS, THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH A LOT OF PUBLIC PARTI, PUBLIC PARTICIPATION, UH, MAKE SURE LANDOWNERS THAT ARE WITHIN THESE BOUNDARIES KNOW THAT THEY'RE WITHIN THESE BOUNDARIES, HAVE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE THESE, UH, AREAS.
AND THEN ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, SAY, HEY, I WANT TO BE ADDED.
I HAVE 50 PARCEL OR 50 ACRES OVER HERE, UH, THAT WOULD BE GREAT, UH, OR KNOW, I DON'T WANT ANYTHING WITH THIS, SO YOU SHOULD REMOVE ME FROM THE MAP.
UM, AND THEN IT DOES HAVE TO GO TO THE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS.
UH, THEY HAVE TO DO SOME TYPE OF REVIEW ON THESE, UH, PETITIONS.
UH, BUT THEN LET'S ASSUME, UH, THEY GO THROUGH THE PETITION PROCESS.
IT GETS APPROVED WITH, UH, THE DEPART OR DAD CAP.
UM, AND NOW THE AGRICULTURAL ENTERPRISE AREA HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED.
UM, LANDOWNER WITHIN THESE AREAS CAN CHOOSE, UH, TO SIGN FARMLAND PRESERVATION AGREEMENTS WITH THE STATE, SPECIFICALLY DAD CAP, UM, TO PRESERVE THEIR FARMLAND FOR A MINIMUM OF 10 YEARS.
SO ANYBODY WITHIN THESE BOUNDARIES, THEY CAN CHOOSE WHETHER OR NOT THEY WANT TO BE ON THESE OR TO SIGN THAT FARMLAND PRESERVATION AGREEMENT.
SO JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE WITHIN THE BOUNDARY DOES NOT MEAN THAT YOUR LAND IS, UM, PREVENTED FROM BEING DEVELOPED IN ANY WAY.
UM, IT'S ONLY WHEN YOU SIGN THAT AGREEMENT WITH THE STATE THAT YOU ARE KIND OF PONYING UP AND SAYING, YOU KNOW, I'M COMMITTING TO 10 YEARS, UM, THAT, UM, I'M GONNA, THIS, I'M GONNA KEEP THIS IN AGRICULTURAL USE.
UM, SO THAT'S THE, UH, FARMLAND PRESERVATION AGREEMENTS.
UM, LET ME MAKE SURE I GOT EVERYTHING.
OH, AND SO ONE LAST IMPORTANT PIECE, UM, FOR KIND OF CONNECTING THIS, HOW THE FARMLAND PRESERVATION PLAN CONNECTS TO THESE IMPLEMENTATION OR THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS PROGRAM IS THE FARMLAND PRESERVATION ZONING ORDINANCES, AND THE AGRICULTURAL ENTERPRISE AREAS.
THEY NEED TO CONFORM TO THE FARMLAND PRESERVATION AREAS THAT ARE WITHIN THE COUNTY FARMLAND PRESERVATION PLAN, OR COVER WHAT THE FARMLAND PRESERVATION PLAN AREAS ARE LATER.
UH, BUT JUST KNOW THAT THAT'S KIND OF OUR ROLE IS KIND OF DESIGNATING THESE FARMLAND PRESERVATION AREAS.
SO THE IMPLEMENTATION, UH, PIECE CAN TAKE PLACE.
SO WHAT DO WE GET FOR BEING WITHIN THESE AREAS? UH, SO THERE'S KIND OF TWO AMOUNTS, UH, $10 PER ACRE.
UH, IF YOU'RE EITHER WITHIN FARMLAND PRESERVATION ZONING DISTRICTS, OR IF YOU'RE WITHIN AN AGRICULTURAL ENTERPRISE AREA, UH, WITH A SIGNED FARMLAND PRESERVATION AGREEMENT, YOU QUALIFY FOR $10 PER ACRE.
UH, IF YOU'RE WITHIN BOTH, UH, PROGRAMS, UH, YOU QUALIFY FOR, UH, $12 AND 50 CENTS, UH, PER ACRE, UM, TAX CREDIT.
UM, SO ONE ADDITIONAL PIECE, UH, THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT.
SO, UM, SINCE WE LAST, UH, WHEN WE CREATED THIS PLAN, UH, AND SENT, OR SINCE THEN UNTIL NOW, UH, NO TOWNS HAVE ACTUALLY GONE THROUGH AND IMPLEMENTED THIS PROGRAM, UH, MEANING THAT NO TOWNS HAVE ACTUALLY INCORPORATED THESE FARMLAND PRESERVATION AREAS INTO THEIR FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
SO, UM, AS OF RIGHT NOW, THERE AREN'T ANY FARMLAND PRESERVATION ZONING ORDINANCES IN WASHINGTON COUNTY, NOR ARE THERE AGRICULTURAL ENTERPRISE AREAS.
SO, ALL RIGHT, NOW WE'RE GONNA START MOVING INTO THE ACTUAL FARMLAND PRESERVATION PLAN.
UH, SO WITHIN CHAPTER 91, UH, THERE'S SEVERAL REQUIREMENTS THAT OF, OF, IN REQUIREMENTS FOR INFORMATION THAT NEEDS TO BE WITHIN THESE PLANS.
UH, THE FIRST AND FOREMOST OBVIOUSLY HAS TO PROVIDE A REALLY GOOD OVERVIEW OF THE ACTUAL
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AGRICULTURAL RESOURCES IN THE COUNTY.UH, IT HAS TO PRODUCE, OR IT HAS TO DISCUSS AND, UH, PROVIDE INFORMATION ON THE IMPACTS TO THESE AGRICULTURAL RESOURCES AND THEN THE TRENDS, UH, IN THOSE IMPACTS.
SO IMPACTS ARE THINGS LIKE POPULATION GROWTH, HOUSING, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, ANYTHING THAT MIGHT BE POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE TOWARDS KIND OF AGRICULTURAL RESOURCES.
UH, NUMBER OR LETTER B, UH, IS IT HAS TO ESTABLISH THESE FARMLAND PRESERVATION AREAS, AS I MENTIONED.
UM, BUT JUST KNOW, UH, AGAIN, I'LL ONCE, ONCE WE GO THROUGH THE DELINEATION PROCESS THAT WE WENT THROUGH, IT'LL BE EASIER.
UH, BUT KNOW THAT ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS FOR THESE FARMLAND PRESERVATION AREAS IN ORDER FOR LAND TO BE INCLUDED IN THESE AREAS, THEY CAN'T BE PLANNED FOR DEVELOPMENT IN THE NEXT 15 YEARS.
SO DURING OUR DELINEATION, UH, PROCESS, WE REALLY SCREEN FOR PARCELS THAT ARE PLANNED FOR RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO, UH, NUMBER OR LETTER C, UH, THE COUNTY HAS TO PROVIDE ACTIONS, UH, THAT THEY WILL, UH, TAKE TO PRESERVE FARMLAND.
UH, LETTER D IS THEN THE GOALS AND, UH, FOR PROMOTING AGRICULTURAL DEVELOPMENT AND HOUSING DENSITY.
UH, HOUSING BEING AN IMPORTANT THING, UH, WITH AGRICULTURAL RESOURCES IS JUST ONE THING THAT'S, UH, REQUIRED WITHIN THE STATE STATUTE.
UH, AND LASTLY, AS DEB HAD MENTIONED, UM, THERE NEEDS TO BE A CONSISTENCY, UH, BETWEEN THE COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE FARMLAND PRESERVATION PLAN.
SO, UH, CHAPTER ONE INTRODUCTION REALLY JUST GOES THROUGH AN OVERVIEW OF THE STATE FARMLAND PRESERVATION PROGRAM, UH, AND A PLANNING PROCESS.
WE WENT THROUGH, UH, CHAPTER TWO GOES THROUGH THE TRENDS, NEEDS AND PLANS.
UH, SO THIS IS REALLY, UH, TRENDS AS IN THINGS THAT IMPACT AGRICULTURE.
UH, LIKE I SAID, UH, POPULATION GROWTH, UH, HOUSING DEVELOPMENT, UH, ECONOMIC GROWTH, UM, AND THEN EVEN OTHER THINGS LIKE, UH, COMMUNITY FACILITIES AND SERVICES, UH, THAT, UM, ARE ASSOCIATED WITH AGRICULTURAL RESOURCES.
UH, CHAPTER THREE GOES THROUGH ALL THE EXISTING GOALS, OBJECTIVES, POLICIES, AND PROGRAMS THAT ARE WITHIN COUNTY PLANS THAT ARE CONNECTED TO AGRICULTURAL RESOURCES.
SO IT'S A BIG INVENTORY OF ALL OF OUR PLAN OR ALL OF ALL OF OUR GOALS AND EVERYTHING, UH, FOR THAT CHAPTER FOUR, UH, GOES THROUGH AN EXTENSIVE INVENTORY OF OUR AGRICULTURAL RESOURCES IN WASHINGTON COUNTY.
IT'S FAIRLY INTERESTING, I WOULD SAY, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT GOES THROUGH MARKET ANALYSIS, UM, YOU KNOW, OUR LIVESTOCK INVENTORIES, UM, AND A LOT OF DIFFERENT, UM, PIECES, UH, FOR, UM, WASHINGTON COUNTY.
UH, BUT THEN IT ALSO GOES INTO THE TRENDS WE'RE SEEING IN AGRICULTURE.
SO THE NEW THINGS THAT FARMERS ARE DOING EVERY DAY, LIKE USING DRONES TO, UH, YOU KNOW, PLANT COVER CROPS OR USE PESTICIDES ON THEIR CROPS, UH, OR EVEN JUST USING AUTOMATIC, UH, DAIRY PARLORS, WHICH WAS FAIRLY INTERESTING AS WELL.
SO, LOTS OF GOOD INFORMATION IN THERE.
UH, CHAPTER FIVE, UH, IT GOES THROUGH, UM, ADDITIONAL METHODS THAT TOWNS AND LOCAL GOVERNMENTS CAN UTILIZE TO PRESERVE FARMLAND IN ADDITION TO THE STATE PROGRAM.
UH, AND THEN ALSO OTHER ACTIVITIES THAT SUPPORT AGRICULTURE.
SO THINGS LIKE FARMER'S MARKETS, UH, FARMER EDUCATIONS, FARMERS TEACHING EACH OTHER, NEW TECHNIQUES, THINGS LIKE THAT.
UH, AND THEN CHAPTER SIX IS REALLY THE MOST IMPORTANT ONE IN THIS, UH, PLAN, UH, BECAUSE IT GOES THROUGH THE FARMLAND PRESERVATION AREAS, UH, BUT IT ALSO GOES THROUGH ISSUE IDENTIFICATION FOR AGRICULTURAL RESOURCES, UH, AND THEN RECOMMENDATIONS FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, AGRICULTURAL DEVELOPMENT, THE OTHER, UH, STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS.
LASTLY, CHAPTER SEVEN IS A PRETTY BRIEF CHAPTER, BUT IT'S ALL THE IMPLEMENTATION.
SO HOW TOWNS, LOCAL GOVERNMENTS AND LANDOWNERS WOULD GO ABOUT IMPLEMENTING THIS PLAN.
OKAY, LET'S GO INTO HOW WE CREATED THESE FARMLAND PRESERVATION AREAS.
STEP ONE WAS WHAT WE CALL IS A LISA ANALYSIS, WHICH IS A LAND EVALUATION AND SITE ASSESSMENT ANALYSIS.
IT'S REALLY EASY IF I JUST BREAK IT DOWN INTO TWO, TWO PARTS.
UH, THERE'S THE LAND EVALUATION COMPONENT, WHICH LOOKS AT ALL THE NATURAL FEATURES.
UH, IT LOOKS AT, IT'S LOOKING AT EVERY SINGLE PARCEL THAT IS FARMLAND WITHIN WASHINGTON COUNTY.
UM, AND IT LOOKS ALL, AT ALL THE NATURAL FEATURES, AND IT KIND OF SCORES THEM.
SO IT SCORES, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE TYPE OF SOIL ON THIS PROPERTY, AND THEREFORE IT'S A 10 BECAUSE IT'S, YOU KNOW, REALLY GOOD, UH, FOR SOYBEAN AND, AND CORN, UH, PRODUCTION.
UM, AND THEN IT'LL LOOK AT LIKE, YOU KNOW, WETLANDS AND OTHER NATURAL FEATURES.
NUMBER TWO, THE OTHER COMPONENT IS THE SITE ASSESSMENT PORTION.
SO THAT PORTION IS ALL THE MANMADE FEATURES.
SO IT LOOKS AT, IS THIS 40 ACRE FARMLAND RIGHT NEXT TO A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT WHERE THE FARMER OR THE LANDOWNER MIGHT BE LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY DEVELOPING IT IN THE FUTURE? IS THERE CERTAIN DEVELOPMENT PRESSURES, UH, FOR MANMADE FEATURES THAT MIGHT
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MAKE IT SO THIS PROPERTY IS MORE LIKELY TO BE DEVELOPED IN THE FUTURE? SO, UM, IT EVEN LOOKS AT LIKE HAMLETS AND IS IT CLOSE TO ON AND OFF RAMPS AND THINGS LIKE THAT? UH, BUT IN THE END, IT TAKE, IT MAKES A BUNCH OF SCORES, BUT THEN IT PUTS IT ALL INTO ONE SCORE, ONE LEASES SCORE.UH, IT'S A ONE TO 10 SCORE ON EVERY SINGLE PARCEL, UH, 10 BEING THE HIGHEST ON HOW, WHAT THE VALUE IS FOR THE FARMLAND TO BE PROTECTED.
UH, AND THEN WE FURTHER BROKE IT UP INTO TIER ONE AND TIER TWO FARMLAND.
UH, AND WE KIND OF SPLIT IT AT THE SIX POINT THERE.
THERE WAS AN AVERAGE OF 6.8 OR 6.7 SCORE, UH, ON THE SCORES.
SO ANYTHING AT THAT 6.7 OR ABOVE IS TIER ONE.
SO THAT'S THE LAND THAT'S BEST SUITED FOR LONG-TERM PROTECTION.
AND ANYTHING THAT'S TIER TWO, IT STILL SHOULD BE CONSIDERED FOR LONG-TERM PROTECTION, BUT, YOU KNOW, TIER ONE IS JUST BEING HIGHER.
OKAY, STEP TWO, WE WENT THROUGH A DELINEATION PROCESS.
SO, UH, WE WENT THROUGH THIS FIVE STEP PROCESS.
UM, WE TOOK THOSE BASE PARCELS, UH, AND THEN WE SCREENED THEM WITH THESE CRITERIA.
UM, SO WE LOOKED AT THE MINIMUM, WE, THE MINIMUM BLOCK SIZE.
UM, BASICALLY WE LOOKED AT GROUPS OF PARCELS.
IF THERE WAS A GROUP OF LIKE THREE PARCELS OFF ON, ON THEIR OWN IN AN ISLAND, UH, WE, WE MADE SURE THAT THEY WERE AT LEAST 35 ACRES IN SIZE.
SO, UM, SOMETIMES IT CAN BE A LITTLE CONFUSING.
SOMETIMES PEOPLE THINK THAT EVERY SINGLE PARCEL HAS TO BE AT LEAST 35 ACRES IN SIZE, AND IT'S NOT THE CASE.
ITS JUST A GROUP OF PARCELS NEED TO HIT AT LEAST 35 ACRES IN SIZE.
UM, NUMBER TWO, UH, THEY CANNOT BE WITHIN A C CITY OR VILLAGE BOUNDARY OR WITHIN A PLANNED SEWER SERVICE AREA.
UH, NUMBER THREE IS THEY CANNOT BE PLANNED FOR, UH, NON AGRICULTURAL DEVELOPMENT.
SO THIS IS WHERE WE LOOKED AT THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP THAT DEB HAD MENTIONED.
UH, WE SAW, YOU KNOW, HEY, THIS PARCEL'S MEANT FOR RESIDENTIAL, THEREFORE WE TOOK IT OUT.
UH, THEN WE WENT THROUGH, UM, AND LOOKED AT ALL THE TOWN.
WE SPECIFICALLY LOOKED AT EVERY SINGLE TOWN FUTURE LAND USE MAP, OR THE LAND USE PLAN IS ANOTHER WORD FOR IT.
UM, AND WE USED THAT AS A SCREENING PROCESS.
THEN WE LOOKED THROUGH EVERY SINGLE TOWN ZONING, UH, MAP, AND THEN WE SCREENED TO MAKE SURE IF IT WAS IN RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL OR ANYTHING THAT WASN'T AGRICULTURE, WE TOOK IT OUT.
LASTLY, UH, WE LOOKED AT EVERY SINGLE PARCEL, AND IF IT, IT HAD TO BE AT LEAST 30, UH, PERCENT OF THE LAND HAD TO BE IN AGRICULTURAL USE TO STAY IN IT.
SO, AND THIS IS THE DRAFT RESULT.
UM, THERE'S A LOT OF YELLOW, UH, IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO SEE, BUT, UM, THIS IS THE MAP THAT WE WENT TO THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE, UH, WITH.
AND, UH, AND THEN FURTHER ON IN STEP THREE, WE WENT TO TOWN BOARDS AND THE VILLAGE OF GERMANTOWN TO, UM, GET SOME INPUT ON THESE MAPS.
THIS IS NOT THE FINAL VERSION.
UH, SO WE WENT THROUGH STEP THREE BECAUSE IT'S REALLY UP TO THE TOWNS TO IMPLEMENT THIS PLAN, UH, OR THE STATE FARMLAND PRESERVATION PROGRAM.
SO WE REALLY NEEDED THEIR INPUT ON THIS PLAN.
SO WE NEEDED TO KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, ARE THEY WILLING TO DO THE NEXT STEP, UH, OF, YOU KNOW, UPDATING THEIR FUTURE LAND USE MAPS TO SHOW THESE FARMLAND PRESERVATION AREAS, OR IS THERE JUST NOT ENOUGH SUPPORT FOR IT TO PROCEED? UM, AND WE LEFT THAT DECISION UP TO THEM.
UM, SO WE INVITED EVERY SINGLE LANDOWNER THAT WAS WITHIN THESE FARMLAND PRESERVATION AREAS, UH, TO THESE PRESENTATIONS.
UM, AND THEN PRESENTED THEM, PROVIDED A RESOLUTION OF INTENT FOR THE TOWN BOARD AND THE VILLAGE OF GERMANTOWN TO CONSIDER.
UM, AND THEN WE KIND OF WAITED, YOU KNOW, AND LET THEM REVIEW THE MAP, SEE IF THERE WAS ANY ADDITIONS OR REMOVALS THAT THE TOWN BOARD OR THE VILLAGE HAD.
UM, AND THEN WE INCORPORATED THOSE ADDITIONS, UH, OR REMOVALS.
AND THEN WE PRESENTED THEM LIKE THEIR FINAL DRAFT, AND THEN THEY CONSIDERED THE RESOLUTION.
IF THEY, IF THEY APPROVE THE RESOLUTION, THEN WE WOULD TAKE THEIR DRAFT FARMLAND PRESERVATION MAP, LIKE THE TOWN OF ADDISON.
UH, WE TOOK THEIR FARMLAND PRESERVATION MAP AND WE PUT IT ON THE FINAL MAP, WHICH IS HERE.
SO ANY ANYONE THAT REJECTED OR DECLINED JUST, YOU KNOW, FOR NUMEROUS REASONS, THERE WASN'T ENOUGH INTEREST, UH, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
WE DID NOT INCLUDE THEM ON THIS MAP.
SO THIS IS THE MAP THAT WILL GET SENT TO DAD CAP FOR CERTIFICATION.
UH, WE HAD 10, OR NOT 10, OH A SEVEN, UH, TOWNS PASS THE RESOLUTION.
UM, SO THEY'RE ALL THE ONES THAT ARE GONNA BE SENT TO DAD CALF FOR CERTIFICATION.
SO IF THEY ARE INTERESTED IN IMPLEMENTING THE STATE FARMLAND PRESERVATION PROGRAM, UH, THEY CAN GO ABOUT PURSUING THE NEXT STEPS AND THEN ALLOWING EITHER LANDOWNERS TO PURSUE THE ACTUAL IMPLEMENTATION OF THE STATE FARM AND PRESERVATION PROGRAM, OR IF THEY WANT TO GO THE ZONING ROUTE.
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WAS A LATER SLIDE, BUT, UM, SO IN ADDITION TO THIS CHAPTER, THERE'S THE POLICIES AND PROGRAMS. UM, THIS IS REALLY IN AN ADDITION TO THE COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.SO WE, UM, THERE'S, IT'S SIMILARLY SET UP WHERE WE HAVE IT SET, SET UP BY THE DEPARTMENT, UH, AND THEN POLICIES AND PROGRAMS WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT.
SO, FOR EXAMPLE, THE NATURAL RESOURCE DEPARTMENT, WE HAVE POLICIES SPECIFIC TO THEM, AND WE HAVE PROGRAMS SPECIFIC TO THEM.
SO THERE'S MORE THAN JUST THESE ONES, BUT THEY'RE JUST EXAMPLES.
SO, ALRIGHT, SO NOW WE'RE GONNA MOVE INTO, YOU KNOW, THE ADOPTION OF THE PLAN, UH, AND THAT TIMELINE.
SO, PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE, UH, JUST GOT POSTED ON APRIL 15TH, UH, THIS PRESENTATION.
AND THEN AN OPEN HOUSE WILL BE HELD ON APRIL 30TH.
UH, WE'RE GONNA INVITE THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE, AND I BELIEVE WE'RE GOING TO INVITE THE COUNTY BOARD, UH, TO THIS OPEN HOUSE AS WELL.
UH, AND THEN WE'RE ALSO GOING TO INVITE EVERY SINGLE LANDOWNER THAT IS WITHIN THE FARMLAND PRESERVATION AREAS, THEY'RE GETTING SENT OFF TO THE STATE.
SO, UM, ANYBODY IN THAT DECLINED WON'T GET A, A POSTCARD, BUT WE'RE GONNA INVITE ALL THE LANDOWNERS THAT, UH, WOULD BE IMPACTED TO THIS OPEN HOUSE TO FIND OUT MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THIS PLAN.
UH, NEXT, THERE'S GONNA BE A PUBLIC HEARING ON MAY 15TH, UH, NEXT LAND USE AND PLANNING COMMITTEE.
UH, AND THEN THAT'S WHERE THE RESOLUTION AND ORDINANCE WILL BE CONSIDERED, UM, ONCE WE MAKE ALL THE REVISIONS TO THE PLAN BASED OFF OF PUBLIC COMMENT BASED OFF OF YOUR COMMENTS, UH, THIS PLAN GOES OFF TO DAD CAP TO GET CERTIFIED.
THEY HAVE 90 DAYS TO REVIEW THIS PLAN.
UH, AND THEN THEY SHOULD EITHER, THERE'S ABOUT, THERE'S TWO OR THREE WAYS THEY COULD GO ABOUT THIS.
THEY COULD HAVE A LOT OF REVISIONS, UH, THEY COULD HAVE SOME REVISIONS, OR THEY COULD APPROVE IT AND CERTIFY IT AS IS.
SO, UH, OUR DEPARTMENT WILL WORK THROUGH THOSE REVISIONS.
AND THEN ONCE WE HAVE THE FINAL VERSION WITH ALL THE REVISIONS, UH, WE'LL BRING IT TO THE LAND USE AND PLANNING COMMITTEE FOR A RECOMMENDATION TO THE COUNTY BOARD.
THE COUNTY BOARD WILL THEN GO THROUGH AND CONSIDER THIS PLAN.
SO LAST THING, ONCE THE PLAN IS ADOPTED, THAT IS WHEN TOWNS CAN GO ABOUT, UM, THOSE FURTHER STEPS THAT I MENTIONED ABOUT, UH, IMPLEMENTING THE PLAN.
SO, UH, LAST SLIDE BEFORE THE QUESTIONS SLIDE, UH, IT GETS UPDATED EVERY 10 YEARS OR WHENEVER THERE'S AN AMENDMENT TO THE PLAN.
SO, UM, I, I FORGOT TO MENTION, THERE WERE BLUE PARCELS ON THIS MAP.
IT IS A LITTLE HARD TO SEE, BUT, UM, THOSE PARCELS AREN'T BEING INCLUDED RIGHT AWAY TO THE FARMLAND PRESERVATION PLAN.
UH, AND THAT IS BECAUSE CERTAIN CHANGES NEED TO HAPPEN WITHIN THEIR FUTURE LAND USE OR ZONING, UH, IN ORDER FOR THEM TO CONFORM TO OUR CRITERIA AND THEN THEREFORE THE STATE STATUTE.
UM, SO ONCE THOSE CHANGES HAPPEN, THAT'S WHERE WE WOULD, UH, AS WE WOULD POTENTIALLY SEE AN AMENDMENT, UH, FROM THE TOWNS AND WE CAN GO THROUGH AND THEN GET RECERTIFIED THROUGH DEBT CAMP.
QUESTIONS, QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMITTEE? OH, MAKE SURE, JUST A QUICK ONE FROM ME.
I
TOOK THEM OFF BECAUSE WE DON'T INTEND, WE DON'T WANT TO KEEP FARMING EM.
YOUR, YEAH, THOSE PARCELS WERE A GREAT EXAMPLE.
PART OF PART OF THOSE PARCELS WERE THEIR FUTURE LAND USE WAS RESIDENTIAL, SO THAT, THAT CHANGE NEEDS TO HAPPEN BEFORE THEY CAN BE INCLUDED, BUT THEY CAN, AS SOON AS THE TOWN OF ADDISON MAKES THOSE CHANGES, WE CAN GO THROUGH AND CERTIFY THEM.
UH, SUPERVISOR CONRAD, I SEE YOU.
UM, SO THOSE BLUE CHANGES, THOSE WOULD COME BACK TO THE BOARD LATER ON AFTER THEY'VE BEEN UPDATED? YES.
AND WE WOULD, WOULD THAT COME TO THIS COMMITTEE OR WOULD THAT GO TO THE ACCOUNTING BOARD? UM, IT WOULD COME TO THIS COMMITTEE.
UM, DOES THAT NEED TO GO TO THE BOARD AFTER IT'S GONE? IT WOULD GO, IT WOULD NEED TO GO TO THE BOARD, BECAUSE TECHNICALLY IT WOULD BE AN AMENDMENT TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TOO, BECAUSE THEY'RE ATTACHED.
SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE FOLLOWING ALL THE STEPS.
THAT WOULD BE AN AMENDMENT TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO IT WOULD COME TO THIS COMMITTEE FOR A RECOMMENDATION, UH, AFTER A 30 DAY PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, AND THEN IT WOULD GO TO THE COUNTY BOARD FOR FINAL CONSIDERATION.
YEAH, I JUST WANNA POINT OUT, UM, OH, YOU PULLED THE SLIDES DOWN, BUT WHAT SLIDE? ONE OF THE, UH, WHAT A COUPLE OF THE CHANGES FROM THE LAST, FROM THE PREVIOUS TENURE PLAN WERE, UM, NONE OF THE MUNICIPALITIES, YOU KNOW, BOUGHT IN TO THIS AND DECIDED, YOU KNOW, UM, TO OFFER THIS TO LANDOWNERS WAS THERE WAS A LOT MORE RESTRICTIONS IN THE PREVIOUS
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PLAN VERSUS THE CURRENT ONE.UM, WE HAD A LOT OF GREAT DISCUSSION WITH OUR COMMITTEE MEMBERS, UM, ABOUT THOSE BARRIERS AND THINGS.
AND SAY, ONE OF THEM TOO IS, WAS THE MINIMUM ACREAGE IN THE PAST PLAN.
THE MINIMUM ACREAGE WAS A HUNDRED ACRES, AND IT HAD TO BE, THERE WAS, UM, IT HAD TO BE, UM, A LANDOWNER TO ADJACENT TO YOU THAT ALSO AGREED, UM, TO TWO PARTICIPATING OR, YOU KNOW, INTO THE FARMLAND PRESERVATION AND THE PRACTICES, UM, THAT ARE REQUIRED TO BE WITHIN THAT.
UM, THE COMMITTEE THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, TOO RESTRICTIVE, ONE OF THE BARRIERS, AND THUS WE DROPPED IT DOWN TO 35 ACRES, UH, AND WHY THE 35 ACRES, A LOT OF, OR SEVERAL PARCELS ARE BLOCKED OFF INTO, SAY, 40 ACRES, AND THEN MAYBE SOME OF THAT, UM, 40 ACRES IS, YOU KNOW, FOR, YOU KNOW, THEIR HOME OR, YOU KNOW, NON, UM, FARMING, NON AGRICULTURAL ASPECTS.
BUT, UM, IT'S, IT WAS, IT WAS GREAT, JUST, IT WAS GREAT DISCUSSION.
AND ALSO TO, UM, WE, DUE TO THE, YOU KNOW, NEWER BEST PRACTICES AND FARMLAND, UM, AND HOW YOU'RE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, REALLY IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF YOUR LAND QUICKER, UM, THAN IN THE PAST WITH THESE NEWER BEST PRACTICES THAT ARE OUT THERE FOR SOIL AND THINGS.
UM, WE ALSO ADJUSTED, UM, OH, WHAT'S THAT? THE, NOT THE LISA, BUT THE, WHATEVER, THE, UM, CAN YOU CORRECT ME ON THAT, ADAM? THE, THE QUALITY OF THE SOIL? WHAT'S THAT TITLE AGAIN? SO, UM, SO THERE WAS, SO THERE WAS AN ADJUSTMENT.
SO ORIGINALLY THERE WAS A, THERE WAS A SIXTH STEP IN HERE THAT STATED THAT, UM, ONLY PARCELS THAT WERE SIX, UH, HAD SCORED A LISA SCORE OF 6.8 OR HIGHER, UH, WERE INCLUDED IN THESE FARMLAND PRESERVATION AREAS.
BECAUSE LAST TIME AROUND, UH, THE TIER ONE, THERE WAS SO MUCH MORE TIER ONE FARMLAND, UH, IN THE, IN THE LISA ANALYSIS MAP, UH, THAT IT WAS A SIGNIFICANT CHUNK.
UM, AND THIS TIME AROUND THERE WAS A CHANGE IN THE, IN THE LAND EVALUATION SCORES FOR THE SOIL VALUES, UM, NRCS, UH, THE NATIONAL CONSERVATION UH, SERVICE.
UM, THEY HAD GONE THROUGH IN BETWEEN THE 10 YEARS THAT WE UPDATED THIS PLAN AND CHANGED THOSE SCORES.
SO THIS TIME AROUND A LOT OF THE, A LOT OF THE ANALYSIS CAME BACK WITH A LOT MORE TIER TWO FARMLAND.
UH, AND WHEN WE INITIALLY APPROACHED THE COMMITTEE WITH IT, UM, THEY SAID, YOU KNOW, HEY, THIS ISN'T, YOU KNOW, ENOUGH FARMLAND, UH, AND THEREFORE WE'RE GONNA RECOMMEND THESE CHANGES.
UH, WE WENT BACK AND MADE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS.
WE LOOKED AT IT, AND REALLY WE DIDN'T, WE, I THINK, I THINK WE GAINED A FEW, UH, OR WE, WE, WE ONLY LOST LIKE A FEW, LIKE A HUNDRED PARCELS.
IT WAS PRETTY CLOSE AFTER THOSE CHANGES, UH, TO THE PREVIOUS FARMLAND PRESERVATION AREA MAP IN, UM, 2013.
SO, UH, IT DID ADD A LOT MORE FARMLAND TO THE, UM, TO THE PLAN.
UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT, UH, SUPERVISOR CONRAD IS, UH, ALLUDING TO.
IN THE PAST IT WAS THAT LISA, JUST TIER ONE, UM, BUT WE EXPANDED IT TO INCLUDE THE TIER ONE AND TIER TWO.
BUT YEAH, WE HAVE GREAT INPUT, AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, FROM ALL THE REPRESENTATIVES OF, OF THE COMMITTEE ON THIS, AND IT'S TRULY, YOU KNOW, UPPED ONCE YOU KNOW, THE SEVEN MUNICIPALITIES WHO DID AGREE, UM, YOU KNOW, TO OFFERING THEIR FARMERS, YOU KNOW, AND LANDOWNERS THE OPTION, UM, TO BE, YOU KNOW, SIGN UP FOR FARM LINE PRESERVATION AT THE STATE LEVEL, UM, YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S SEVEN VERSUS, YOU KNOW, ZERO IN THE PAST.
AND, BUT IT TRULY STILL COMES DOWN JUST TO THAT, YOU KNOW, INDIVIDUAL LANDOWNER FARMER TO PARTICIPATE.
ANY MORE, UH, QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE COMMITTEE? UH, UH, WE WERE DOWN IN TOWN, ADDISON DOWN THERE.
A QUESTION ABOUT IF YOU RENT LAND AND THE LANDOWNER AGREES TO IT, YOU CAN PUT IT IN WITH YOURS, UM, FOR THE TAX CREDIT AMOUNTS OR SO, YEAH, SO THIS PROGRAM IS MEANT FOR FARMERS AND LANDOWNERS.
SO IF YOU RENT YOUR LAND OUT TO A FARMER, UH, AS LONG AS THEY'RE PRODUCING ENOUGH, UH, REVENUE OFF OF THAT PROPERTY, THEY QUALIFY FOR THE TAX CREDIT.
YES, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO GIVE ADAM, UM, CREDIT FOR, FOR THE SUCCESS OF THIS PROGRAM.
HE SPENT A LOT OF LATE NIGHTS AND EXTRA HOURS TOO AT ALL THE MUNICIPALITY
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MEETINGS AND EVERYTHING.AND TOO, ALSO MY CO-CHAIR, UM, MR. LOFI, HE, YOU KNOW, DID A LOT OF, UH, FACE-TO-FACE ONE-ON-ONE WITH LANDOWNERS.
UH, WE HAVE A NATURAL RESOURCES QUARTERLY REPORT.
LOGAN, DID I LEAVE YOU SITTING THERE THAT WHOLE TIME,
I'M LIKE, WHY IS LOGAN WAITING OVER THERE? WELL, THEN I REALIZED, SORRY ABOUT THAT.
UM, THIS ACTUALLY, I DIDN'T KNOW I WAS GONNA BE PRESENTING TONIGHT.
SO, UM,
UM, I HAVE, UH, RESIGNED MY POSITION AS THE ASSISTANT NATURAL RESOURCES DIRECTOR.
UM, AND THAT'S GONNA BE EFFECTIVE, UH, MAY 8TH.
UM, AND IN THE INTERIM, UM, BRETT SHEARER, WHO YOU GUYS, UH, SAW EARLIER TONIGHT IS GOING TO BE COVERING, UH, SOME OF LIKE THE, THE PROJECT ASPECTS OF THE PARKS WORK THAT I DID.
AND, UM, ALSO, UH, CARRYING FORWARD OUR WATER RESOURCES INITIATIVE KIND OF LEADING THAT GROUP IN ADDITION TO, UM, YOU KNOW, LEADING OUR LAND RESOURCES DIVISION, UH, AS WELL.
AND THEN, UH, FLITTER, WHO'S BEEN WITH OUR PARKS DEPARTMENT FOR I THINK JUST OVER 20 YEARS, UM, UH, WE MOVED HIM INTO A SUPERVISOR POSITION AND HE'S GOING TO BE COVERING OPERATIONS FOR OUR PARK SYSTEM.
UM, I HAVE PERSONALLY A LOT OF CONFIDENCE IN BOTH OF THEM.
UM, I'VE KIND OF BEEN PREPARING BO AND HIS ROLE FOR OUR PARKS OPERATIONS REALLY OVER THE LAST YEARS.
UH, LAST FALL HE GOT PROMOTED TO A LEAD.
UH, HE'S DONE A PHENOMENAL JOB WITH SCHEDULING AND COORDINATING WITH OUR BUSINESS MANAGER.
UM, SO I HAVE A LOT OF, A LOT OF FAITH IN HIM, OBVIOUSLY A, A TENURED EMPLOYEE.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, BRETT AS WELL.
I'VE WORKED, UH, WITH BRETT ON KIND OF SOME OF HIS ISSUES AND THEN SOME MIXED ISSUES, UH, ONCE I TOOK OVER AS ASSISTANT DIRECTOR AND, UM, HAVE ALL THE CONFIDENCE IN THE WORLD AND BRETT, UM, IN, IN HIS ROLE.
AND REALLY, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T GET, UM, NOTICED SO MUCH HERE, YOU KNOW, ON THIS PLATFORM.
BUT IN OUR NATURAL RESOURCES DEPARTMENT, UM, WE REALLY HAVE JUST A GREAT OVERALL TEAM.
THERE'S A LOT OF FOLKS THAT I KNOW YOU GUYS DON'T GET TO INTERACT WITH THAT ARE JUST, UM, REALLY OUTSTANDING PEOPLE.
AND, YOU KNOW, WHILE, YOU KNOW, YOU MAY HAVE BEEN FAMILIAR WITH ME OR JAMIE STANDING UP HERE, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY TAKE A TEAM APPROACH DOWN THERE.
UM, AND, UH, THERE'S JUST A LOT OF REALLY GOOD PEOPLE.
SO I HAVE NO DOUBTS THAT YOU'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO SEE REALLY GOOD WORK COME OUT OF THE PARKS DEPARTMENT AND NATURAL RESOURCES DEPARTMENT.
UH, EVEN WITH MY DEPARTURE, UH, THERE'S A REALLY A LOT OF REALLY GOOD FOLKS BACK THERE.
AND, UM, I KIND OF JUST WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT AND THANK ALL YOU FOR THE, THE LAST FEW YEARS.
I REALLY ENJOYED WORKING WITH YOU ALL.
I KNOW WE HAD SOME, SOME TOUGH SITUATIONS THAT WE, WE HAD TO WORK THROUGH.
AND, UH, OVERALL I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY DID A GREAT JOB, ALL OF US, UH, WORKING TO FURTHER OUR PARK SYSTEM AND OUR NATURAL RESOURCES DEPARTMENT.
AND, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF BIG THINGS COMING AND, UH, I THINK THEY'RE GONNA DO A REALLY GOOD JOB WITH THAT.
SO, UH, AND ON BEHALF OF CERTAINLY THE COMMITTEE, UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK DUE DILIGENCE AND, UH, IN THIS DEPARTMENT.
UM, IT'S BEEN A REAL PLEASURE WORKING WITH YOU.
I WISH WE HAD MORE TIME TOGETHER, BUT I DO WISH YOU GOOD LUCK IN YOUR FUTURE ENDEAVORS.
UH, I KNOW IT'S A BIG OPPORTUNITY FOR YOUR FAMILY, AND SO THAT'S, UH, ALWAYS A GREAT THING TO SEE SOMEBODY WHO'S, UH, LEADS THEMSELF WITH SUCCESS, HAVE MORE SUCCESS THRUST UPON HIM
SO I THINK THAT'S JUST FANTASTIC.
IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE, YOU'RE GROWING IN A, IN A GREAT DIRECTION.
SO THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR EFFORTS AND YOUR ENERGIES.
AND, UH, OH, MISS, UH, SUPERVISOR CONRAD WOULD LIKE TO SAY, I'M SURE A FEW KIND WORDS AS WELL.
UM, TRULY YOU ARE GOING TO BE, UH, MS. LOGAN.
UM, YOU'VE GAINED SO MUCH RES SHOWED RESPECT, GAINED RESPECT, UM, VERY DIPLOMATIC AND PROFESSIONAL IN ALL YOUR INTERACTIONS.
AND LIKE YOU SAID, YOU KNOW, WITH SOME, WITH SOME TOUGH THINGS AND VERY PASSIONATE THINGS, BUT YOU ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, REMAINED, UH, A VERY PROFESSIONAL.
AND I TRULY THINK THE END RESULT ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, TURNED OUT AS IT SHOULD.
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WILL BE BEST AND I WISH THE BEST TO YOU.AND IT CERTAINLY WAS A PLEASURE WORKING WITH YOU.
WE, YOU AND I WENT THROUGH, UH, A FEW OF THOSE ITEMS TOGETHER AND UH, IT WAS DEFINITELY GREAT WORKING WITH YOU ON THOSE.
ALRIGHT, WITH THAT, ANYBODY ELSE? ALRIGHT, GET THE HECK OUT MY, UH, ROOM.
OKAY THEN, THEN, UH, THAT WILL ADJOURN OUR MEETING.
UM, OUR NEXT MEETING DATE IS MAY 15TH, 2025.
SO YOU HOPE SO I HOPE WE HEARD THIS FROM YOU BEFORE.
SO I THOUGHT YOU HAD HIP SURGERY ALREADY OR NO? WELL, I WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE IT IN UH, MARCH HERE, BUT THEN, UH, THE HEART DOCTOR SAYS NO.
IF YOU, BECAUSE OF MY BLOOD THINNER, IT IS ABSOLUTELY NOT.
SO I'M OFF OF IT AND I WON'T BE OFF TILL THE 8TH OF MAY, SO I'M GONNA HAVE IT THE 14TH.
MY HUSBAND CAN'T HANDLE THOSE NO MORE.
SO THAT'S THE THINGS THAT CAUSE THIS STROKES THE THINS.
WHERE ARE YOU HEADED TO? SO, YEAH, I DIDN'T SAY THIS.
YOU KNOW, I'M NOT LEAVING 'CAUSE I, MY WIFE IS MEDICAL.
UH, WHEN YOU'RE HAVING HEART SURGERY, LITERALLY LET OUT, UH, OXYGENATE CIRCULATES IT BACK THROUGH YOUR BODY.
SHE DRUGS THAT START, YOU'RE LIKE ON BYPASS? YEP.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S LIKE TWO DIFFERENT WAYS THEY DO THAT IN WISCONSIN, YOU LEAVE THERE, HOSPITALS WILL HAVE THEIR OWN LIKE IN-HOUSE PERFUSION CONTRACT WITH A LIMITED NUMBER.
ONE OF HER GRAD SCHOOL COLLEAGUES HOSPITAL.
I WAS AFRAID THAT THIS ONE MIGHT BE CAN'T BLAME YOU FOR THAT.
BY ALL THE, BUT ACTUALLY I THOUGHT I'VE BEEN ON AND OFF MY MEMORY BLURS.
OH, GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR, UH, SURGERY.
YEAH, I'M DEFINITELY HOPE YOU HAVE THE BEST OF, UH, HOPE WE RECOVER QUICKLY.
HE USED TO WORK FOR A JUDGE AND HE HAD UH, FIVE HIP REPLACE.
MY SISTER-IN-LAW'S GETTING BRUISE ON, SO, SO I HIT DONE.
WELL, TRYING TO GET EVERYBODY TELL YOU WHAT HEARING AND WHAT I'VE BEEN SEEING, YOU'RE GOING BE UP REAL FAST.
AS SOON AS YOU'RE OUT FROM UNDER THE DRUGS, YOU'RE UP
THE THING IS, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN FAVORING THAT LEG SO MUCH, SO WE SHOULD DO A LITTLE BIT OF REHAB.
I DIDN'T START WORKING OUT NOW.
BUT THAT'S JAMIE'S FAULT BECAUSE.