* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:08] IS HE A DOCTOR OR JUST A PHD? UM, YEAH, HE WAS A COLLEGE PROFESSOR. OH, GOOD AFTERNOON. WE WILL CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER. IT IS THE HHS MEETING OF JUNE 25TH, 2025. UH, ROLL CALL. WE'RE HERE. UM, AND ANN IS COMING IN MINUTES, SO WE SHOULD ALL BE HERE. THE AFFIDAVIT OF POSTING WAS POSTED ACCURATELY. UM, WILL RISE FOR A MOMENT OF SILENT PRAYER AND THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION, OTHER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR. ALL RIGHT. UH, ANY MODIFICATIONS, CHANGES TO THE MINUTES? SEEING NONE, WE WILL CONSIDER THEM APPROVED. ALL RIGHT. OUR FIRST, UH, ORDER OF BUSINESS HERE IS A VETERAN SERVICE UPDATE, A QUARTERLY REPORT. WE HAVE KURT ON BOARD HERE. GOOD AFTERNOON, KURT. GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD TO SEE EVERYBODY AGAIN. YES. YEAH. CAUGHT MY VOICE A LITTLE LOUDER. UM, SO I JUST HAVE A, A QUARTERLY REPORT FOR YOU. I'LL GO THROUGH KIND OF EACH OF THE ITEMS, UH, AND THEN I KNOW YOU EXPRESSED YOU WANTED A, A BRIEF GUITARS UPDATE. I'VE GOT ONE FOR YOU, SO WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT TOO. AWESOME. UM, SO, UH, FIRST ITEM IN THE REPORT IS A CIVIL WAR MONUMENT COMMITTEE. UM, THIS IS AN EXCITING TIME FOR THIS COMMITTEE BECAUSE THE PROJECT, AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, HAS GONE ON FOR A VERY LONG TIME, AND WE'RE GETTING NEAR THE END OF IT. SO, UM, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF, UM, UH, DEDICATIONS COMING UP, JUST IN CASE YOU OR ANYBODY WHO'S WATCHING, UH, WANTS TO ATTEND THEM. JULY 18TH, THERE'S A DEDICATION FOR TWO MONUMENTS IN KASUM FOR HOLY TRINITY, UH, CEMETERY AND ST. LUCAS. THEY'RE ACTUALLY CO-LOCATED RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER IN KASKA. AND THEN, UH, THERE WILL BE ANOTHER DEDICATION SEPTEMBER 6TH, UH, AT 10:00 AM AT VEN VEC CEMETERY, WHICH IS ALSO IN KASUM. UM, SO WE'RE GETTING DOWN TO THE LAST, I THINK WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE MORE AFTER THIS, UM, THAT, UM, THAT WE HAVE TO DO TO COMPLETE THE PROJECT. SO IT'S VERY EXCITING. UM, SORRY, CAN I CALL PEOPLE? I JUST, JUST, SO CHAIRMAN, YES. CHAIR. I HAVE A GREAT GRANDFATHER THAT FOUGHT IN THE CIVIL WAR, AND HE IS BURIED IN THE CEMETERY IN CAMPBELL SPORT. DO YOU KNOW IF FOND DULAC COUNTY IS DOING A SIMILAR, UM, PROJECT? I DON'T BELIEVE SO. UM, I, I DON'T THINK ANY OTHER COUNTIES HAVE DONE THIS PROJECT. I CAN CERTAINLY CALL UP MY COUNTERPART DAVE UP THERE AND SUGGEST TO HIM THAT HE DOES IT . THAT'D BE WONDERFUL. THANK YOU. I'D BE HAPPY TO. I'D BE HAPPY TO. UM, SO IT, IT IS, IT IS COMING TO, UH, UH, TO A WONDERFUL CLOSE. SO WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE DOING WELL WITH IT. UM, WE'LL BE OUT AT THE MILITARY DAY AT THE FAIR, UH, WHICH IS JULY 23RD, UH, JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE AND, UM, AND SUPPORTING THE PROJECT OUT THERE AS WELL. UM, IT WILL PROBABLY, I HAVEN'T DONE THE NUMBERS YET, BUT, UH, AFTER THE 12 YEARS THAT THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN GOING ON, UH, I BELIEVE THE, THE SUBTOTAL WILL BE WELL OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS RAISED, UH, ALL PRIVATE DOLLARS FOR, FOR THIS PROJECT. SO IT'S PRETTY GREAT, PRETTY GREAT STUFF. UM, SO THE MEMORIAL DAY PROGRAM, UH, THIS YEAR WENT OFF WITHOUT A HITCH. UH, WE ONLY HAD ONE, UH, CALL FOR A FLAG THAT WASN'T PLACED, WHICH WE TOOK CARE OF. THAT'S PRETTY NORMAL OUT OF 6,000, UH, VETERAN GRAVES. UM, SO EVERYTHING WENT REALLY WELL. THE ENDOWMENT FUND IS, UH, NOT ONLY SUPPORTING THE FULL PROGRAM AT THIS POINT, UM, BUT IT'S ALSO EARNING ADDITIONAL REVENUE ON TOP. SO THERE'S SOME CUSHION THERE AND SOME SAFETY FOR WHEN WE HAVE TO BUY ADDITIONAL FLAG MARKERS AND HOLDERS, WHICH WE HAVE TO DO EVERY THREE OR FOUR YEARS. UM, WE HAVE SEEN A LITTLE BIT OF A CHANGE IN STATISTICS, UH, FOR THE VETERAN POPULATION WHERE NOT AS MANY VETERANS ARE BEING BURIED, UH, IN A TRADITIONAL SENSE. UH, MANY OF THEM ARE, ARE BEING CREMATED MANY MORE THAN THAN USED TO BE. UH, SO, UM, A LOT OF THOSE CRE REMAINS ARE NOT BEING BURIED OR THEY'RE NOT BEING BURIED RIGHT AWAY. [00:05:01] UM, UH, CHOOSING INSTEAD TO, YOU KNOW, FAMILIES ARE CHOOSING TO KEEP THE CREMAINS OF THE VETERAN AND THEN BURY THEM AT A LATER DATE. SO, UM, WE HAVE SEEN A LITTLE BIT OF A CHANGE IN, UM, IN OUR PURCHASING FOR FLAGS AND MARKERS IN THAT REGARD, BUT IT'S PRETTY MINOR CHANGE. IT'S JUST MORE INTERESTING THAT THAT'S A CHANGE IN OUR POPULATION SUPERVISOR. I THINK THIS IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF HOW PRIORITY BASED BUDGETING IS A POSITIVE FOR OUR COUNTY. NOW, 10 YEARS AGO, OUR COUNTY USED TO PAY TO DO THIS FERRY SERVICE, AND NOW WE'VE CREATED A PRIVATE ENDOWMENT FROM FUND THROUGH DONATIONS. WE'RE USING, IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, BASICALLY THE INTEREST, WE'RE LIVING OFF THE INTEREST USING THAT EACH YEAR TO FUND THIS PROJECT. SO THIS IS ALL POSITIVE, AND IT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE OF HOW PRIORITY BASED BUDGETING WORKS, SO THANK YOU. ABSOLUTELY. YEAH, I'M ABSOLUTELY THRILLED WITH THE WAY IT'S WORKING AND THE, THE GREATER, UH, MILWAUKEE FOUNDATION WHERE THE BUDGET, UH, WHERE THE ENDOWMENT IS HELD, UM, IS, UM, UH, HAS A VERY LONG GREAT TRACK RECORD OF, OF SUPPORTING THEIR NONPROFITS, BUT ALSO, UM, THEIR RETURN ON INVESTMENT IS, IS WONDERFUL. I BELIEVE IT'S HOVERING RIGHT AROUND 10%, UH, ANNUALLY. SO IT'S, IT'S FANTASTIC. FANTASTIC. UM, THE, UM, UH, UH, DATA TRACKING, UH, SO I, I, I HAD SPOKEN IN JANUARY TO THIS COMMITTEE ABOUT, UM, KEEPING TRACK OF OUR OFFICE DATA AND MONITORING, UH, APPOINTMENTS AND WALK-INS, AND JUST KIND OF REFLECTING THAT BACK TO YOU WE'RE ABOUT SIX MONTHS FROM THAT TIMEFRAME. SO I INCLUDED IT. I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, I'M NOT GLEANING A LOT FROM THE DATA . UH, IT'S, IT, IT'S A LITTLE FLAT, UH, AND MAYBE WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME, SO WE'LL, WE'LL CHECK IT AGAIN IN THREE, SIX MONTHS, SEE IF THERE'S SOMETHING THERE, UH, TO TALK MORE ABOUT. BUT, UH, I DIDN'T SEE A SUBSTANTIAL ANSWER IN, IN MY DATA. MY HOPE IS THAT WE'D START SEEING, UM, YOU KNOW, ANNUAL TRENDS WHERE WE COULD PLAN A LITTLE BIT BASED ON THOSE TRENDS, UH, MONTHS WHERE THERE'S A HUGE UPTICK IN, IN, UM, UH, VETERAN APPOINTMENTS OR WHERE THERE'S A VERY LOW POINT IN VETERAN APPOINTMENTS. AND THAT WOULD HELP GUIDE OUR OFFICE A LITTLE BIT, BUT I, I'M JUST NOT SEEING THAT YET. UM, AND THEN FINALLY, IT'S NOT LISTED ON, ON YOUR REPORT, BUT THE GUITARS FOR VETS PROGRAM, UM, THERE, THERE WAS A, A, A SLIGHT CHANGE, UH, FROM THE NATIONAL ORGANIZATION AND GUITARS FOR VETS, WHERE THEY, UM, UH, KIND OF STOPPED, UH, THE PROGRAM FOR A PERIOD OF A MONTH AND A HALF, UH, BASED ON NOT HAVING ENOUGH FUNDING OR CONCERNS ABOUT FUNDING, I BELIEVE THEY WENT THROUGH, UH, AN AUDIT OF SOME SORT WITHIN THEIR ORGANIZATION. UH, AND WHEN THEY CAME BACK ONLINE, THEY SAID THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE AS MANY GUITARS TO SUPPORT OUR VETERAN STUDENTS AS WE HAD, UH, ANTICIPATED. UH, SO IN THAT LIGHT, THE GUITARS FOR VETS, UH, COMMITTEE GOT TOGETHER AND DECIDED THAT WE WOULD, UH, HAVE A BREAKAWAY PROGRAM, UM, WHERE WE'RE GONNA STILL DO THE GUITAR THERAPY PROGRAM. IT'S GONNA BE PRIVATELY FUNDED, UH, BUT WE WOULD DO A SEPARATE GUITAR THERAPY PROGRAM WHEN GUITARS FOR VETS LACKED FUNDING SO THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE TO ALTER OUR PATTERN, UH, OR, UH, NOT SERVE VETERANS IN THIS WAY BECAUSE THE PROGRAM HAS BEEN SO SUCCESSFUL. UM, SO THAT IS JUST GETTING OFF THE GROUND NOW. UM, WE'RE, UH, DOING A LITTLE FUNDRAISING FOR IT, WHICH I EXPECT TO BE SUCCESSFUL. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A LARGE AMOUNT OF MONEY, UH, THAT IT TAKES TO DO THIS. UH, AND THEN, UH, WE'LL RESUME ALL OF OUR PROGRAMMING WITH EITHER GUITARS FOR VETS WHEN THEY'RE FUNDED, OR WHAT WE'RE GENERICALLY CALLING THE GUITAR THERAPY PROGRAM, THAT WE HAVE, UH, HERE LOCALLY. UM, SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE EIGHT, UH, VETERANS ON THAT WAITING LIST, SO WE'RE EXCITED TO GET, GET BACK GOING. SUPER. ANY, UH, QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING FOR ME, THE RISE? THANK YOU. I JUST HAD ONE COMMENT. I WANTED TO THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THE CIVIL WAR MONUMENTS. UM, WE'RE REALLY EXCITED IN SCU, UM, ESPECIALLY THIS FAN ONE. UM, YEAH. UH, WE ORDERED A NEW SIGN FOR THE CEMETERY THAT WAS ORDERED, UM, TODAY, ACTUALLY. SO HOPEFULLY IT'LL GET A LOT OF PEOPLE COMING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THAT. YES. I, I SPOKE WITH JANICE THIS MORNING. SHE MENTIONED THAT. YEAH. AND THAT'S WHY WE PUT IT OUT IN SEPTEMBER. UM, IT WAS VERY INTERESTING, UH, USING THE, UH, LIDAR ON, ON THAT CEMETERY AS WELL, BECAUSE WE WERE ABLE TO DETERMINE WHERE THERE MAY HAVE BEEN OTHER BURIAL SITES THAT WERE NOT CORRECTLY MARKED. UM, SO A REALLY, REALLY NEAT PROCESS FOR ANYONE WHO'S NOT FAMILIAR. IT'S, IT, IT WAS NEAT. SO THANK YOU. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, SUPERVISOR? GS? YOU HAD MENTIONED EARLIER ABOUT THE, UH, APPOINTMENT TRACKING AND PRESUMABLY STAFFING YOU COULD PLAN FOR BETTER WHEN YOU ACTUALLY HAVE APPOINTMENTS VERSUS WALK-IN, BUT IT, JUST CURIOUS, I NOTICED THE UPS AND DOWNS TEND TO BE SIMILAR, THE PEAKS AND VALLEYS OF, OF BOTH APPOINTMENTS AND, UH, WALK-INS, BUT THEN IT SEEMS AS OF LATE, IT'S THE DIVERGENCE OF THAT. SO JUST CURIOUS, THERE'S ANY, IS IT THE TYPES OF SERVICES? SO I'M JUST THINKING ALOUD OF, UH, MEETING CLIENT'S [00:10:01] NEEDS, RIGHT? YEAH. SO, UH, UPSTAIRS THEY CHANGED THEIR HOURS AND, AND THERE'S A, A GOOD RESPONSE FROM COMMUNITIES SAYING, HEY, I WORK ALL DAY. AND IT'S NICE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE SERVICES, UH, BEFORE AND AFTER WORK, NORMAL WORK HOURS, BUT WITH THE VETERANS, YOU KNOW, WITH, YEAH. I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT IS, OR MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, IS ARE YOU SEEING A CHANGE IN VETERANS, UM, I GUESS THEIR, THEIR, THEIR NEEDS FOR APPOINTMENTS? IS THAT WHY WE'RE SEEING WALK-INS VERSUS, UH, APPOINTMENTS, UH, KIND OF A DIVERGENCE? SO I THINK, I THINK THERE'S A COUPLE OF ANSWERS TO THAT, ALTHOUGH I, I DON'T THINK THE DATA IS CLEAN ENOUGH TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION FULLY. SO THE, UM, WALK-INS IS A, IS MORE OF A GENERATIONAL ACTIVITY. WE GET A LOT OF, UH, MORE OF OUR OLDER VETS JUST WALKING IN INSTEAD OF CALLING OR MAKING AN APPOINTMENT OR, UH, PURSUING AN APPOINTMENT VIRTUALLY OR BY PHONE. UM, SO THE, THE POINT THAT WE'RE NOT SEEING IN THE DATA YET IS WHAT IS HAPPENING IN OUR ENVIRONMENT OR OUR WORLD OR THEIR NEEDS THAT IS POINTING THEM TO EITHER WALK IN OR MAKE THAT CALL. AND IT SPECIFICALLY, IT'S LIKE THE DIVERGENCE THAT YOU MENTIONED IN MAY OF 2024 AS FAR OR MAY OF 2025, YOU'RE SEEING MAY IN 2024 BEING A VERY HUGE MONTH FOR US, AND THEN YOU'RE SEEING MAY OF 2025 BEING THE OPPOSITE OF SUCH. SO I, I JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE I HAVE ENOUGH TO ANSWER THAT FULLY. UM, IF IT WAS A FUNCTION OF AFTER HOURS, I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE ISSUE CURRENTLY. UM, BECAUSE MOST OF OUR, UM, AT WORK, VETERANS WERE ABLE TO SERVE REMOTELY, UH, OR BY PHONE. UM, SO IF THEY CANNOT GET OUTTA WORK OR THEY CAN'T COME IN FOR AN IN-PERSON, UH, UM, APPOINTMENT, AND THEN IT'S APPROPRIATE TO DO IT ONLINE, WE CAN EASILY DO THAT. SO WE CAN ACCOMMODATE MOST OF THOSE NEEDS. YEAH. YEAH. I, I'M HOPEFUL, I'M HOPEFUL THAT IT BEARS OUT SOME CLEANER DATA WHEN WE GET A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME. FOR INSTANCE, SEPTEMBER, SEPTEMBER IS PRETTY CLEAR TO ME WHY SEPTEMBER OF 2024 WAS SO LOW. THAT'S BACK TO SCHOOL. THAT'S A VERY BUSY TIME FOR EVERYBODY. EVERYBODY'S KIND OF GETTING IN BACK INTO THE SWING AFTER SUMMER. I'M JUST NOT CLEAR WHY THE REST OF THE MONTHS AREN'T MAKING MORE SENSE TO ME. SO MORE INVESTIGATION AND MORE THOUGHT ON IT. THANK YOU. JUST A FOLLOW UP ON, ON THAT, THE QUESTIONING. UM, IS THERE SOME KIND TO UNCOVER A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT MAYBE WHY THEY'RE COMING THAT, IS THERE SOME KIND OF INTAKE ASSESSMENT OR SURVEY THAT YOU DO WHEN THEY WALK IN OR WHEN THEY MAKE AN APPOINTMENT? ONLY IF THEY ARE A WALK-IN THAT WE DON'T GET TO SEE. SO IF THEY, IF THEY DON'T GET SEEN, THEN THEY FILL OUT A WORKSHEET, UM, EXPLAINING WHAT THEY NEED SO THAT WE CAN CONTACT THEM BACK AND, AND SUPPORT THEM. WHETHER IT'S JUST ANSWERING A QUESTION OVER THE PHONE OR SCHEDULING THEM FOR AN APPOINTMENT RIGHT AWAY. UM, BUT IF THEY GET SEEN, THEN WE DON'T CREATE A DOCUMENT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. WE SIMPLY SERVE THEIR NEEDS. OKAY. SO NOT, NOT KEEPING TRACK OF WHAT BROUGHT THEM THERE IS NECESSARILY GONNA HELP THE DATA, WHETHER, WHETHER YOU SEE THEM OR NOT? RIGHT. YEAH, I MEAN, WE DO TRACK, WE TRACK EVERYTHING THAT WE DO WITHIN THE OFFICE ANYWAY, BUT IT'S NOT TIED TO THE EXACT DATE AND TIME OF THE APPOINTMENT. I SEE. SO IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD TAKE A LITTLE BIT MORE CONNECTION THERE WITHIN OUR SYSTEM TO SEE THAT SPECIFICALLY. OKAY. THANK YOU. CERTAINLY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU KURT. CERTAINLY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GET YOUR UPDATE. UH, THE NEXT WE HAVE IS THE A DRC UPDATE. UM, THERE ARE ACTUALLY THREE UPDATES THAT TAMMY WILL BE PROVIDING FOR US. GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYBODY. HEY TAMMY. HI. UM, SO THE FIRST UPDATE IS THE A DRC 2030 ADVISORY GROUP. UM, I WAS NOMINATED BY OUR REGIONAL QUALITY SPECIALISTS, SO THERE ARE FIVE REGIONS IN THE STATE TO BE A PART OF THIS GROUP. UM, VERY HONORED TO BE A PART OF IT AND REALLY LOOKING AT OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS KNOWING THAT THE AGING POPULATION AND THE DISABLED POPULATION ARE GROWING RAPIDLY AND THE UNKNOWNS OF FUNDING AND HOW, HOW THAT WILL BE OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. KIND OF LOOKING AT WHAT WE CAN DO, UM, AS A NETWORK THROUGHOUT THE STATE, UH, TO CREATE EFFICIENCIES AND LEVERAGE NEW TECHNOLOGY THAT WE'RE USING AND THOSE SORT OF THINGS. SO WE HAD OUR VERY FIRST MEETING BROKE OFF INTO TWO SUBCOMMITTEES. I AM PART OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE THAT IS LOOKING AT INTERNAL EFFICIENCIES, SO KIND OF THE WORK WE DO AND HOW CAN, HOW CAN WE MAKE IT BETTER, FASTER, MORE EFFICIENT, THAT SORT OF THING. AND REALLY NOTHING TO REPORT AT THIS TIME. WE'RE REALLY JUST GETTING STARTED, BUT I'LL BE HAPPY TO BRING UPDATES, UM, TO THIS GROUP [00:15:01] AS, AS WE MOVE FORWARD. SO IT'S EXCITING AND I THINK FORWARD THINKING THAT WE'RE NOT JUST SAYING, WELL, POPULATION'S GROWING AND, AND THAT'S IT. YEAH. UH, WE'RE REALLY, WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT IT, GETTING DOWN INTO THE WEEDS ABOUT HOW WE CAN SERVE OUR CONSUMERS BEST OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS IN PARTICULAR. ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT SUPERVISOR? GALL, REAL QUICK? IN YOUR, UH, ATTACHMENT, YOU MENTIONED, UH, THERE WERE TWO MAIN PRIORITIES. UM, WHAT WERE THOSE? SO THE FIRST ONE, THE SUBCOMMITTEE THAT I AM NOT A PART OF IS LOOKING AT THE CONTRACT BETWEEN AGING AND DISABILITY RESOURCE CENTERS AND MANAGED CARE ORGANIZATIONS AT THE STATE LEVEL. UM, THOSE, THOSE TWO ENTITIES, ARCS AND MCOS, WE CALL THEM, HAVE TO DO CERTAIN THINGS TO GET PEOPLE ENROLLED INTO PROGRAMS. AND, UM, I'LL SAY FROM A STATE LEVEL, THEY DON'T ALWAYS PLAY NICE IN THE SANDBOX, AND SOME OF THE DOCUMENTS DON'T MATCH THE DOCUMENTS HERE. SO MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS BECAUSE THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A DRCS TO GIVE FEEDBACK ON THOSE CONTRACTS. SO ONE GROUP WAS WORKING ON THAT. AND THEN, UM, THE OTHER SUBCOMMITTEE THAT I AM A PART OF, WE ARE CURRENTLY JUST STARTING LOOKING AT OUR SCOPE OF SERVICES, WHICH IS OUR STATE CONTRACT. ESSENTIALLY WHAT SERVICES WE'RE MANDATED TO PROVIDE, HOW WE PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES. AND WE ARE GOING TO SURVEY DIRECTORS AND SUPERVISORS OF A DRCS THROUGHOUT THE STATE LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK ON THAT CONTRACT THAT WE ARE OBLIGATED TO FOLLOW. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. MOVING ON. OKAY. UH, SO ONE OF OUR EMPLOYEES, TAMMY DICKMAN, WHO IS OUR DEMENTIA CAREGIVER SUPPORT SPECIALIST, UH, WON A JUDY PHILLIPS INFLUENCERS AND AGING AWARD THIS YEAR. SO THIS WAS THE FOURTH ANNUAL. I HAVE BEEN A PART OF THE COMMITTEE FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS. THERE WERE ABOUT 25 NOMINEES AND, UM, SHE WAS ONE OF THE FIVE WINNERS. SO SHE'S EMPLOYED BY US. SHE DOES AMAZING THINGS IN THE COMMUNITY TO SUPPORT NOT ONLY PEOPLE LIVING WITH DEMENTIA AND ALZHEIMER'S AND THEIR FAMILIES, BUT CAREGIVERS, UM, PART OF THE CAREGIVER COALITION IN WHICH THEY DO EVENTS AND RESPITE CARE FOR CAREGIVERS ON, IN OUR COMMUNITY MEMORY CAFES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY. UH, JUST, JUST A WHOLE SLEW OF THINGS THAT SHE DOES. AND SO, UM, SHE WAS NOMINATED AND, AND WON ONE OF THOSE AWARDS. I BELIEVE YOU CAN FIND IT IN THE, YOU KNOW, SOCIAL MEDIA WEEKLY UPDATES, BUT THAT SORT OF THING, IF YOU WANT, WANTED TO SEE THAT, THAT'S EXCITING. SO WE'RE VERY PROUD OF HER FOR THAT. YES. AND I BELIEVE THE LAST THREE YEARS I'VE BEEN ON THE COMMITTEE, SHE HAS BEEN NOMINATED, BUT HAS NOT WON. SO IT WAS EXCITING THAT SHE, SHE WON ONE OF THOSE AWARDS. AND THEN LAST, WELL, ANY, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ABOUT THAT? OKAY. OKAY. AND THEN LASTLY, THIS YEAR, MYSELF AND THE TWO SUPERVISORS WITHIN MY DEPARTMENT WENT TO AGING ADVOCACY DAY AT THE CAPITOL. AND THE DAY CONSISTED OF, UM, THE, THE MORNING BEING WHERE THEY KIND OF GIVE YOU WHAT THE PRIORITIES ARE, WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE AFTERNOON BEING IN THAT YOU'RE SET UP WITH APPOINTMENTS TO MEET WITH, UM, LEGISLATORS OR THEIR OFFICE STAFF. AND WE TALKED ABOUT ARCS, UM, WHAT THEY DO, ALL THE GREAT THINGS THEY DO. AND THEN, UM, OUR HOME DELIVERED MEAL PROGRAMS AS WELL AS SOME OF THE, UH, HEALTHY AGING. SO I AM, UM, MAYBE A LITTLE ASHAMED TO SAY, BUT ALSO EXCITED TO SAY IT WAS MY FIRST TIME AND I'VE BEEN HERE FOR NINE YEARS. UM, BUT IT WAS A REALLY COOL OPPORTUNITY. THEY ALSO HAVE A DISABILITY ADVOCACY DAY IN MADISON, SO I'M VERY INTERESTED IN ATTENDING THAT. UM, AND JUST SEEING ALL THE PEOPLE THAT ARE THERE IN SUPPORT OF ARCS, NOT JUST THE PEOPLE THAT WORK IN THE FIELD, BUT ALSO A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE AFFECTED, UM, OR PEOPLE WE SERVE. SO IT WAS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY AND ALL THREE OF US WALKED AWAY, UM, REALLY FEELING LIKE WE LEARNED SOMETHING NEW AND, AND KIND OF DID OUR PART TO BE AT THE CAPITOL AND ADVOCATE FOR THE THINGS THAT OLDER ADULTS NEED. AND THE, UH, STATE LEGISLATURE WAS PRETTY, UM, RESPONSIVE AND PRESENT. I WOULD SAY MOST OF THEM WERE, YES. OKAY. YEAH, THERE WAS, UM, THERE [00:20:01] WAS SOMETHING GOING ON THAT A BUNCH OF PEOPLE WERE LIVE STREAMING OH. ON THAT DAY. SO, SO THERE WAS ONE, ONE IN PARTICULAR STAFFER THAT WAS PRETTY DISTRACTED BY WHATEVER HE WAS LIVE STREAMING. BUT YES, I WOULD SAY FOR THE MOST PART YOU HAVE AN APPOINTMENT, SO IT IS DEDICATED TIME FOR THEM TO OKAY. TO DISCUSS THINGS WITH YOU. GOOD. ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT ADVOCACY DAY? OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, NEXT WE HAVE OUR PATHWAYS TO BETTER LIVING PRESENTATION. UM, JULIE, DO YOU WANNA SET THIS UP FOR US? YEAH, DEFINITELY. OKAY. SO, UM, UH, AS YOU ALL KNOW, UM, WE OPENED OUR SOBER LIVING HOME IN HARTFORD IN MARCH OF THIS YEAR. UM, AND SO WE'VE ASKED SUSAN BEATTY FROM PATHWAYS AND HER STAFF TO COME AND JUST, UH, GIVE A LITTLE TALK TO YOU ALL ABOUT THEIR ORGANIZATION, UM, THE WORK THAT THEY DO AND, AND THE, THE START OF THEIR, UM, EXPERIENCE IMPLEMENTING THIS PROGRAM AND HARTFORD. SO I'LL LET SUSAN STEP UP AND INTRODUCE HERSELF AND, AND GIVE HER SPIEL, AND THEN THERE'LL BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT ALL HAVE. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. UM, I'M SUE BEATY FROM PATHWAYS. AND FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO BRING HOUSING TO INDIVIDUALS THAT REALLY NEED IT. UM, SINCE WE HAVE ANNOUNCED THE OPENING OF THIS PLACE IN HARTFORD, WE HAVE HAD SO MANY PEOPLE CALL AND ASK US FOR, UM, ADDITIONAL HOUSING WITH CHILDREN. SO THIS HAS REALLY STARTED A, A NICE TREND WHERE IT'S OPENED UP A DOOR FOR US WHERE IT'S BRINGING ADDITIONAL PEOPLE OUT WHO ARE, WHO WOULD NEVER HAVE CONSIDERED, UH, TREATMENT OR HOUSING BEFORE, WHERE NOW THEY CAN, UM, NOT HAVE TO MAKE THAT DECISION OF CHOOSING FAMILY OR MY RECOVERY. UM, FOR A LOT OF YOU WHO MAY NOT BE FAMILIAR WITH PATHWAYS, WE'VE BEEN AROUND FOR 10 YEARS, UM, MAINLY UP IN SHEBOYGAN AND MANOCK COUNTIES, ALTHOUGH WE DO PROVIDE SERVICES ACROSS THE WHOLE STATE AND EVEN INDIVIDUALS OUTSIDE OF THE STATE. UM, WE CURRENTLY HAVE ONE INDIVIDUAL IN THE WEST BEND OR IN THE, UM, HARTFORD HOUSE. WE'VE BEEN KIND OF HOLDING BACK IN ADMITTING PEOPLE THERE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH ROOM FOR PEOPLE FROM THIS COUNTY, FROM THIS COMMUNITY, UM, AND TRYING TO PLACE INDIVIDUALS ELSEWHERE. IN SOME OF OUR OTHER HOMES. WE HAVE, I THINK, 10 OTHER HOUSES BESIDES THIS ONE IN VARIOUS DIFFERENT COUNTIES AND, UM, ADJUST AS NEEDED. SO, UM, WITH THIS HOUSE RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE ONE FEMALE THAT'S STAYING IN, UM, THAT FULL-TIME. AND THEN SHE DOES HAVE VISITATION WITH HER CHILDREN ON WEEKENDS OR EVERY OTHER WEEKEND. AND THEN SHE DOES HAVE THOSE STAYING OVERNIGHT WITH HER THERE. UM, WE MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY IS SAFE AND MONITORED. WE HAVE CAMERAS OUTSIDE OF THE PROPERTIES. WE HAVE, UM, WEEKLY HOUSE MEETINGS. UM, WE DID HAVE A SECOND PERSON IN THERE. SHE GOT TRANSFERRED TO A HIGHER LEVEL OF CARE. SHE NEEDED SOME MORE SUPPORT BESIDES THE COMMUNITY LIVING. UM, I WOULD SAY RIGHT NOW WE ARE IN A VERY INFANTILE STAGE OF BRINGING IN THE, THE CHILDREN PORTION. AND SO WE DO HAVE A MEETING NEXT WEEK, WEDNESDAY WITH JULIE AND I DON'T KNOW WHO IT IS FROM, FROM MAITA HOUSE. YES. AND WE'LL BE GOING THROUGH SOME OF THEIR, UM, PROCEDURES AND PROTOCOLS THAT THEY HAVE IN PLACE WHEN THEY WORK WITH CHILDREN SO THAT WE CAN KIND OF NOT HAVE TO CREATE A BRAND NEW PROGRAM AND KIND OF PIGGYBACK OFF OF WHAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY DOING. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE HAS SPECIFIC QUESTIONS FOR ME ABOUT THE PROGRAM. I CAN START OFF WITH IF YOU COULD SHARE WITH US A TYPICAL DAY IN THE LIFE OF SOMEONE AS A RESIDENT THERE. SURE. UM, I WOULD SAY IT, IT VARIES ON AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS. SO SOME INDIVIDUALS MIGHT ADMIT, AND THEY MIGHT BE ALREADY CURRENTLY IN A DAY TREATMENT PROGRAM, SO THAT'S KIND OF LIKE THEIR JOB WHERE DURING EVERY MORNING AND, AND AFTERNOON THEY'RE BUSY WITH, WITH TREATMENT. UM, BUT THEN THEY'LL TRANSFER INTO EMPLOYMENT. SO LIKE OUR CURRENT PERSON IN THERE, SHE'S WORKING, SHE'S PAYING HER OWN RENT. UM, IT'S NOT PART OF THE WASHINGTON COUNTY FUNDING AT ALL, BUT IT IS A BED THAT SHE'S OCCUPYING. UM, AND SO YES, UH, SOME ARE WAKING UP, THEY'RE GOING TO WORK, UM, VISITING WITH THEIR KIDS, MAKING MEALS, DOING EVERYTHING THAT THEY WOULD IN A REGULAR COMMUNITY. UH, ONCE WE HAVE A FEW MORE INDIVIDUALS IN THAT HOUSE, THEY WILL MOST LIKELY HAVE SOME MORE, UM, OUTINGS THAT THEY'LL DO TOGETHER. I KNOW SOME OF THE OTHER HOUSES, THEY'LL GET TOGETHER AND THEY'LL GO [00:25:01] BOWLING TOGETHER, THEY'LL GO DISC GOLFING, THEY'LL DO A LOT OF DIFFERENT ACTIVITIES IN THE COMMUNITY AND ATTEND THINGS. SO IT WOULD NOT BE SURPRISING IF YOU END UP HAVING PEOPLE WHO MAY COME FROM ANOTHER AREA, BUT THEN JUST TRANSPLANT AND NEVER LEAVE. 'CAUSE THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE END UP FINDING. UM, WE HAVE INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE BEEN IN SOME OF OUR HOUSES FOR FOUR OR FIVE YEARS. I KNOW THAT THIS PROGRAM IS SET UP TO HAVE THEM STAY ANYWHERE FROM SIX TO 12 MONTHS AND THEN TRANSITION OUT. BUT ODDS ARE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO TRY TO STAY IN THAT COMMUNITY AND TRY TO FIND HOUSING AND JUST, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE ALREADY IN THAT TIME PERIOD, ESTABLISHING JOBS, ESTABLISHING RELATIONSHIPS, GETTING PHYSICIANS AND OTHER CARE PROVIDERS, UM, YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA GROW YOUR COMMUNITY WITH THESE INDIVIDUALS IN A POSITIVE WAY. AND IS THERE A REQUIREMENT, UM, FOR EACH RESIDENT TO, UH, PARTICIPATE IN, UM, NOT ONLY EMPLOYMENT, BUT IN WHEN THERE ARE MORE RESIDENTS IN THE HOUSE, LIKE CHORES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE? ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. UM, SO WE DO HAVE A MULTI-PAGE. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S LIKE 70 OR 80 DIFFERENT, UM, EXPECTATIONS. AND SO BESIDES MAKING RENT, BEING HOME ON TIME, COMMUNICATING, THERE ARE ABSOLUTELY EXPECTATIONS. SO AT ANY TIME, UM, WELL FIRST OF ALL, THEY HAVE CURFEWS. SO THEY HAVE TO BE BACK IN THE BUILDING, UM, BY 11, I BELIEVE IT, IT'S 11, 10 O'CLOCK DURING THE WEEK, 11 ON THE WEEKENDS. UM, UNLESS THEY'RE EMPLOYED THIRD SHIFT, THEN THEY WOULD HAVE AN EXCEPTION, BUT OTHERWISE THEY HAVE TO BE ON SITE. UM, WE ALSO KEEP A BREATHALYZER AND, UM, URINE ANALYSIS KITS RIGHT ON SITE. SO IF WE NEED TO CHECK THEM, WE USE FACETIME. UM, AND IF ANYBODY NEEDS, UM, TO MAKE A REQUEST, MAYBE THERE'S A WEDDING OR SOMETHING, AND THEIR FAMILY IS THE WEDDINGS ACROSS THE STATE, UM, THEY WILL REQUEST AN OVERNIGHT PASS. AND THEN ALONG WITH THAT PASS COMES AN AIR TAG SO THAT WE KNOW THEIR LOCATION, WE SPEAK WITH WHO THEY ARE GOING TO BE WITH, MAKING SURE THAT THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT OUR RULES AND EXPECTATIONS ARE AS WELL. UM, WE SEND A BREATHALYZER WITH THEM SO THAT ANYTIME WE CAN CALL THEM AND THEY CAN DO A TEST AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE, UM, WHERE THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE BEHAVING, HOW THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE LOOKING, PRESENTING HOW THEY ARE. AND THEN WHEN THEY DO RETURN, WE GIVE THEM A FULL COMPREHENSIVE DRUG TEST THAT GETS SENT IN AS WELL AS THE BREATHALYZER. UM, SO THEY DO HAVE QUITE A FEW RULES, UM, TO, TO ABIDE BY. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF, ARE THERE ANY SPECIFIC ONES THAT YOU'D LIKE TO ADD FOR RULES? THAT'S A BIG ONE. WE GET QUITE A FEW PEOPLE THAT WANT TO HAVE THEIR VEHICLES RIGHT AWAY WHEN THEY COME INTO TREATMENT. UM, THERE'S A RESTRICTION ON THAT AS WELL. WE DO NOT LET THEM HAVE THEIR AUTO THEIR VEHICLES RIGHT AWAY. UM, THEY HAVE TO WAIT 60 DAYS BEFORE THEY CAN MAKE A REQUEST. NOW LIFE IS GRAY AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S EXCEPTIONS THAT NEED TO BE MADE FOR CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS, BUT AS A BLANKET RULE, UM, 60 DAYS WITHOUT A CAR SO THAT THEY CAN START RELYING ON OTHERS, BUILDING THAT NETWORK. UM, ALSO A VEHICLE GIVES YOU TOO MUCH POWER WHEN YOU ARE HAVING A A, A BAD DAY. AND IT GIVES, UM, IT OPENS UP TOO MANY DOORS. AND SO WE RESTRICT THAT AS WELL. UM, WHEN PEOPLE COME INTO TREATMENT FOR THE, OR INTO SOBER LIVING OR ANY OF OUR PROGRAMS, THEY USUALLY HAVE A 10 DAY BUDDY SYSTEM WHERE THEY ARE MATCHED UP WITH SOMEBODY WHO'S ALREADY BEEN THERE, SO THAT IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, THEY HAVE THAT PERSON TO GO TO. UM, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ADD THAT PART OF OUR STRUCTURE IS WE HAVE SOBER LIVING MANAGERS AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE RECOVERY COACHES. AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE KIND OF LIKE A MOM AND A DAD WHEN ONE IS, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE NOT HAPPY WITH THE RULES, THEY'LL AT LEAST VENT OFF TO THE COACH AND THE COACH CAN COMMUNICATE WITH THE MANAGER IF WE, WE REALLY DO OUR BEST TO NOT HAVE THEM STAFF SPLIT. AND SO BY HAVING THAT COMMUNICATION AND ALLOWING THEM INDIVIDUALS WHO THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO, UM, IS, IS PLANNED, IT'S INTENTIONAL FOR THEM TO HAVE, UM, AVENUES TO, TO GET THEIR RESOURCES MET AND GET THEIR NEEDS MET WITHOUT HAVING TO FEEL LIKE YOU ONLY HAVE THAT ONE PERSON. BECAUSE IF YOU END UP WITH A RIF WITH THAT PERSON, NOW YOU'RE CUT OFF. AND, UM, THAT'S JUST TOO MUCH. SO WE FIND THAT THAT IS A POSITIVE. AND THOSE RECOVERY COACHES THEN ARE, ARE COMING IN MORE LIKE PEERS AND NOT THE AUTHORITARIANS. AND SO THEY'RE NOT AS, UM, UM, WHAT'S MY WORD, UM, PUSHED AGAINST, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT, UM, STRUGGLING WITH THAT AUTHORITY FIGURE. [00:30:01] SO THAT HELPS A LOT. THAT'S VERY COMPREHENSIVE. SUPERVISOR GALS HAD HAD MENTIONED, UM, INTRODUCING CHILDREN, RIGHT? SO THEY WOULD DIED WITH WHAT ABOUT THE CURE SAID A NORMALIZATION. IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT, MEANING THE CHILDREN MIGHT BE AWARE OF WHAT'S GOING ON AND SOME MIGHT NOT. YOU KNOW, HOW, HOW DO WE HELP NORMALIZE, SORRY. HOW DOES THE PROGRAM HELP NORMALIZE EXISTENCE FOR CHILDREN? YEAH, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT SCHOOL, YOU GOT, WE LIVE OUT LOUD. UM, WE REALLY, UM, HAVE A VERY STRONG APPROACH THAT EACH PERSON, PERSON SHOULD LIVE OUT LOUD. THOSE KIDS ARE NOT STUPID. THEY ABSOLUTELY KNOW THAT SOMETHING ISN'T RIGHT. THEY MAY NOT HAVE THE THE CORRECT WORDS FOR IT, BUT THEY KNOW SOMETHING ISN'T RIGHT. THEIR, THEIR, THEIR INTUITION IS A HUNDRED PERCENT ON. AND WE ENCOURAGE THEM TO, TO KNOW THAT THAT'S, THAT THAT IS THE WAY IT IS. SO DEPENDING ON THE AGE OF THE CHILD, YOU KNOW, WE ARE ARE THERE AND ABLE TO HELP EXPLAIN SITUATIONS IF THINGS AREN'T GOING WELL. UM, OR IF SOMEBODY'S STRUGGLING, WE CAN KIND OF MEDIATE WITH WHAT'S HAPPENING. SO, ABSOLUTELY. GOOD QUESTION. UM, THEY KIDS ARE VERY SMART AND SO APPROACHING THEM, NEVER ESTIMATE THEM. YES, YES. YEAH. SO I THINK THE MAIN THING IS JUST TO, TO NOT NECESSARILY KEEP IT HIDDEN FROM THEM. UM, I DON'T THINK CONVERSATIONS HAVE TO BE OUT IN FRONT, BUT, UM, I KNOW LIKE EVEN IN OUR RESIDENTIAL PROGRAM, IF YOU ARE 12 OR 13 OR OLDER, YOU CAN BE IN OUR, OUR FAMILY GROUPS AND START LEARNING ABOUT THAT AND HEALING AND, AND MAKING IT NORMAL. AND IT REALLY IS. IT'S, IT'S, IT'S MAKING IT A NORMAL CONVERSATION IN TODAY'S WORLD INSTEAD OF BEING HIDDEN LIKE IT HAS FOR DECADES. ANYONE ELSE? COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? HEY, GO AHEAD JULIE. YEAH, I JUST WANNA ADD, SO, UM, SO I WE'RE SO APPRECIATIVE OF PATHWAYS AND, UM, AND HOW FAST RIGHT, THAT THEY WERE ABLE TO PURCHASE THIS HOME AND START UP SERVICES. I MEAN, THEY WERE JUST AWARDED THE GRANT IN JANUARY, UM, AND ACTUALLY IN THEIR PROPOSAL WAS ALREADY, UH, UH, OFFERED TO PURCHASE A HOME THAT, UH, SUSAN, UH, MADE ON A WING AND A PRAYER. UM, AND SO IT REALLY WAS, UM, WHAT I THINK, UM, PERFECTLY ALIGNED, UM, PARTNERSHIP AND THE HOME IS A IN A PERFECT LOCATION AND IT'S, IT'S, IT'S SUCH A GREAT HOME. UM, AND SO I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO BE, UM, WARY ABOUT THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS WE ONLY HAVE ONE INDIVIDUAL LIVING THERE. I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY WE KNOW WHAT'S IN NEED IN OUR COMMUNITY, UM, BUT ALSO THE WORD HAS TO GET OUT AND THERE ARE SO MANY PEOPLE WHO HAVE A NEED THAT DON'T, THAT AREN'T IN OUR CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM, THAT ARE NOT IN OUR CHILD WELFARE SYSTEM. I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST MONTH, RIGHT? WHEN WE ASKED FOR THE APPROVAL TO, UM, APPLY FOR THAT GRANT, UM, AROUND, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WHO ARE STRUGGLING AND HAVE A NEED, BUT THEY'RE IN THE COMMUNITY, THEY DON'T KNOW. SO, YOU KNOW, I WOULD IMPLORE THIS COMMITTEE IF, YOU KNOW, FOR YOU TO SHARE THE INFORMATION, UM, IN YOUR COMMUNITIES AS WELL. UM, BUT IT, WE ARE DOING, I BELIEVE, A HALF A PAGE, UM, MAYBE A WHOLE, I'LL GET A WHOLE PAGE IN THE COUNTY EXECUTIVES NEWSLETTER THAT'S GONNA GO OUT IN JULY. UM, SO THAT WILL GO INTO EVERY HOME IN THE COUNTY, UM, WITH THE INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT'S AVAILABLE AND HOW THE, HOW THEY CAN ACCESS THIS SERVICE. SUPER. YEAH, I WOULD, I WOULD ADD THAT, UM, THE, THE REFERRALS ARE PROBABLY SLOW. I MEAN, YES, WE GOT IT TOGETHER REALLY QUICK AND, AND SO WE'RE, WE'RE PROBABLY AHEAD OF THE GAME IN SOME THINGS WHERE WE PROBABLY DIDN'T NEED THAT SAME TIMELINE, BUT, UM, IF WE COULD GET MORE REFERRALS, WE'D BE ABLE TO FILL THAT HOUSE UP IN NO TIME. SO JUST GETTING TO THE RIGHT PEOPLE AND LETTING THEM KNOW IT'S THERE IS GONNA BE THE BIG NEXT STEP FOR US. SO SUSAN, WHAT KIND OF THINGS ARE YOU DOING TO ADVERTISE, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM IN THE COMMUNITY? YOU KNOW, WHERE ARE YOU STOPPING IN AT, UM, TO, TO HELP BUILD THAT RELATIONSHIP AND THAT AWARENESS? YES. UM, SO A LITTLE BIT ON FACEBOOK. I THINK WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO NEXT IS WE'RE GONNA CREATE A FLYER AND TRY TO GET THOSE IN FOOD PANTRIES AND EVERYWHERE, UM, THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY. UM, RIGHT NOW I THINK OUR STAFF HAS GONE THROUGH HARTFORD AND MET A LOT OF THE INDIVIDUALS THERE, BUT NOT COUNTYWIDE. SO WE'RE TRYING TO NETWORK THOSE RESOURCES THAT ARE LOCAL RIGHT THERE WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, BUT YES, WE HAVE A LOT MORE WORK TO, TO PUBLICIZE AND TO MARKET FOR GETTING THESE BEDS FILLED. WE CAN ALL FOLLOW YOU ON SOCIAL MEDIA. SO YEAH, THE OFFICIAL OFFICIAL NAME IS PATHWAYS TO BETTER LIVING PATHWAYS TO A BETTER LIFE IS OUR MAIN COMPANY NAME. BUT THEN PATHWAYS SOBER LIVING IS [00:35:01] OUR DIVISION THAT WE'LL BE MANAGING THIS PIECE IN HARTFORD. OKAY. PATHWAYS TO SOBER LIVING. YEAH, WE CAN ALL FRIEND THAT AND SHARE THAT SOUNDS GREAT. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS BEFORE WE LET SUSAN GO? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. THANKS. UH, NEXT ON THE AGENDA. LAST ON THE AGENDA IS A RIVERBEND UPDATE. UM, JULIE, YES. SO THANK YOU. UM, AND SO, UH, THOUGH THE UPDATE THAT YOU HAVE IS, UH, IN PAPER FORM IN FRONT OF YOU, I DO APOLOGIZE THAT IT DIDN'T GET IN THE PACKET. I RECEIVED IT TODAY. UM, SO IT WILL, IT IS IN THE PACKET, UM, IN THE FUTURE FOR ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO LOOK AT IT. SO, UM, AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE PRESENTING, UM, THE DATA ON THE, UM, IMPLEMENTATION OF THE NEW PROGRAM AT RIVER BEND, UM, TO HELP US MAKE A LONG-TERM DECISION ABOUT, UM, WHAT SERVICES REALLY NEED TO BE AND SHOULD BE PROVIDED IN THE COUNTY. UM, SO THIS REPORT IS A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPREHENSIVE THAN WHAT WAS GIVEN TO US LAST MONTH. UM, SO IT IS A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION. UM, AS YOU CAN SEE THOUGH, I THINK THE BIG TAKEAWAY IS THERE ARE A LOT OF REFERRALS BEING MADE, UM, WHICH IS A GREAT, UH, FIRST INDICATION, BUT THEY'RE IN THE 68TH PERCENTILE OF DEFERRED, AND DEFERRED MEANS, IT'S A NICE WAY TO SAY DENIED. UM, AND SO 68% ARE NOT BEING ACCEPTED INTO THE PROGRAM. THEY WERE ABLE TO GIVE US A NUMBER OF REASONS WHY. UM, AND SO YOU CAN SEE ON THE SECOND PAGE, UM, IS A COLORED GRAPH THAT TALKS ABOUT THE REASONS FOR, UM, THOSE DEFERRALS, UM, THE TWO BIGGEST ONES, THE, UM, SORT OF TEAL COLOR, UM, CALLED NO APPROPRIATE MATCH, WHAT THAT MEANS. AND I, I, I TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS LAST MONTH AROUND THE NEEDS OF THE CHILD AND THE CURRENT CHILDREN THAT ARE THERE AND THE FIT, THEY CALL IT A MILIEU FIT. UM, AND I THINK THAT CHAIRMAN ASKED, UH, A QUESTION ABOUT, WELL, WHAT IF YOU BOUGHT A BED? AND THEY SAID NO, RIGHT BECAUSE OF FIT. UM, AND, AND WE DO GET THOSE, THOSE NOS AS WELL BECAUSE OF THE FIT OF THE NEEDS OF WHO'S THERE. SO THAT IS ONE OF THE LARGER, UM, REASONS FOR DEFERRAL. THE OTHER ONE THAT YOU SAW SEE IN JUNE, IT'S UM, LIKE A LIGHT GREEN, UH, 10 NO RESPONSE. UM, I QUERIED THAT TO ASK WHAT THAT MEANT. UM, AND WHAT I, THE ANSWER I RECEIVED IS THAT, UM, THAT MEANS THAT THE COUNTY, THE REFERRING COUNTY DIDN'T RESPOND BACK. UM, SO I DON'T KNOW IF, YOU KNOW, THEY MADE THE REFERRAL AND THEN WHEN THEY REACHED OUT TO THEM, SOMETHING CHANGED AND THE THE REFERRING COUNTY, UM, YOU KNOW, DIDN'T CONNECT WITH THEM TO, TO FURTHER THAT. UM, SO THEY HAVE INDICATED, UM, THAT THEY, I THINK ON THE LAST PAGE IS ESSENTIALLY, UM, THE NUMBER OF KIDS THAT ARE CURRENTLY THERE TODAY, SINCE I RECEIVED THIS TODAY, UM, THERE WERE TWO, THREE NEW REFERRALS OR PLACEMENTS IN JUNE. UM, TWO OF THEM ARE WASHINGTON COUNTY AND ONE WAS WAUKESHA. BUT OUT OF THE 5, 2 3, 4 5 KIDS THAT ARE CURRENTLY THERE, ONLY TWO ARE RESIDENTIAL. UM, AND AS, AS WE DISCUSSED, UM, OVER THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS, WE KNOW WE HAVE A NEED FOR SHELTER. WE KNOW WE HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING FOR SHELTER. UM, BUT THE QUESTION MARK RIGHT IS, IS DO WE ALSO, UM, HAVE THIS HUGE COMPREHENSIVE PROGRAM FOR RESIDENTIAL? AND SO THREE OF THE FIVE OUR SHELTER, UM, AND SO WE REALLY ONLY HAVE TWO RESIDENTIAL AT THIS TIME. UM, ALTHOUGH THEY HAVE INDICATED THAT THEY HAVE A COUPLE OF KIDS WHO, UM, ARE AWAITING PLACEMENT. UM, I THINK THAT IF THE QUESTION YOU MIGHT HAVE IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT DOES THIS TELL ME? I THINK IT'S PROBABLY, UH, STILL TOO EARLY TO MAKE A DEFINITIVE DIS YOU KNOW, UH, STATEMENT. UM, I WOULD SAY I DON'T, I DON'T LOVE THE DATA. UM, IT DOESN'T SEEM SUPER PROMISING TO ME. UM, AND I ALSO WILL PREVIEW FOR YOU, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE IN THE CONVERSATION OF BUDGET DISCUSSIONS RIGHT NOW, UM, AND HAVE TO MAKE SOME TOUGH DECISIONS. AND SO, UM, DEFINITELY THIS IS AN AREA THAT WE, UM, WOULD EXPLORE TO HELP US TO, YOU KNOW, MEET OUR, OUR BUDGET TARGET. UM, SO IT IS ON THE TABLE IN THE BUDGET DISCUSSIONS AS WELL. UM, SO I AM HOPEFUL, I'M STILL ON THE TIMELINE OF, UM, LOOKING AT THE DATA IN JULY AND LOOKING AT SOME PRELIMINARY DATA IN AUGUST AND, AND [00:40:01] BEING ABLE TO SAY TO YOU GUYS WHAT I REALLY THINK THAT WE SHOULD DO. UM, BUT I THINK IF WE MADE A DECISION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH JUST SHELTER, UM, WE WOULD LIKELY FAST TRACK IT BECAUSE OF BUDGETARY REASONS AS WELL. SO THE OVERALL 63% DEFERRAL RATE IS NOT VERY POSITIVE. RIGHT. RIGHT. IT'S DISAPPOINTING. AND IF YOU, I THINK WHEN THEY STRATIFIED IT OUT BY, UM, MEN AND, AND WOMEN OR BOYS AND GIRLS, UM, THE WOMEN RATE WAS IN LIKE THE 90TH PERCENTILE OF DEFERRAL. AND HOW DOES THAT VERY BROAD QUESTION, HOW DOES THAT GET FIXED? HOW DO, HOW, HOW ARE THERE LESS DEFERRALS? UM, I'M SURE IT'S VERY INVOLVED AND COMPLEX. YEAH, I MEAN I THINK THE, THE CONCERNING AREA IS THE DEFERRAL FOR NOT APPROPRIATE, RIGHT? THAT'S THE SECOND BIGGEST REASON. AND THERE'S NO, UM, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE SAYING IT, THAT THAT PLACEMENT'S INAPPROPRIATE BECAUSE OF THE NEEDS OF THE CHILD OR BECAUSE OF THE OTHER CHILDREN THAT ARE THERE. UM, THERE'S NOT A LOT THAT WE CAN SAY TO THAT. I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE AN ABILITY TO FORCE THEM AND CERTAINLY WE DON'T WANNA HAVE THEM MAKE A DECISION THAT IS POTENTIALLY UNSAFE OR, YOU KNOW, GONNA HAVE A REALLY POOR OUTCOME FOR, UM, THE OTHER CHILDREN THERE. UM, BUT THAT'S WHERE IT GET THE COMPLEXITY OF THIS TYPE OF SERVICE, UM, COME TO PLAY BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE SEE IT WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO PLACE KIDS OUT OF COUNTY ALL THE TIME ANYHOW, RIGHT? WE'RE TRYING TO PLACE A KID AND WE MIGHT CALL 10 PLACES AND THEY SAY NO BECAUSE OF THEIR, THEM THIS MILIEU BECAUSE OF WHO THEY HAVE AND THE NEEDS OF THAT KID, OR THEY CAN'T MEET THE NEEDS OF THAT CHILD BECAUSE THEIR NEEDS ARE THAT MUCH GREATER. UM, AND SO I, I THINK THAT THAT'S A HARD, UM, A HARD PROBLEM TO FIX. UM, BUT THEN ALSO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT WAS 10 AND SO OUT OF, YOU KNOW, 30, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE 10 OR 15 MORE THAT THEY DE DEFERRED FOR ANOTHER REASON. RIGHT? UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE QUESTION THAT WE'VE HAD IS, YOU KNOW, OKAY, WE THINK THIS PROGRAM, UM, COULD BE VERY SUCCESSFUL, UM, IF THE REFERRALS ARE THERE AND THE REFERRALS SEEM LIKE THEY'RE THERE, BUT ARE THEY RIGHT? BECAUSE IF THEY'RE NOT APPROPRIATE REFERRALS, THEN, UM, THEN, THEN THE, THE NEED FOR THE PROGRAM REALLY ISN'T ACCURATE IF THE REFERRALS DON'T MATCH. WELL STATED . YEAH. SUPERVISOR BUSER. SO I'M LOOKING AT THE NO RESPONSES. I WONDER, THIS IS JUST A HYPOTHETICAL, COULD THAT BE THAT THESE FACILITIES, IF THEY FEEL THAT OUR PROGRAM IS LOOKING FOR REASONS TO DEFER, THAT THEY, THAT THEY JUST DON'T WANT TO WASTE THEIR TIME WITH US. YOU GET WHAT I'M SAYING? MM-HMM . LIKE, THEY'RE JUST THINKING, WELL, THEY'RE JUST GONNA DEFER US ANYWAY. THEY JUST WANT TO GET THE DOCUMENTATION AS TO WHY, AND WE GOT A PROMISING OPTION HERE. WE'RE GONNA PUT OUR TIME THERE. I THINK, I THINK IT'S PARTIALLY THAT, BUT I THINK IT'S ALSO RELATED TO, SO A SOCIAL WORKER WHO'S TRYING TO FIND A PLACEMENT FOR A KID MIGHT BE THROWING THINGS AT THE, YOU KNOW, LIKE, HEY, LET ME MAKE FIVE REFERRALS TO THESE ORGANIZATIONS, TO THESE PLACEMENTS AND SEE WHO TAKES THEM. AND IF THEN THEY FIND A PLACEMENT, THEY MIGHT NOT RESPOND BACK BECAUSE YOU KNOW, THEY'RE BUSY AND THEY FOUND ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, THEY FOUND ANOTHER PLACEMENT. YEAH. THAT'S ALSO HYPOTHETICAL. I DON'T KNOW THAT FOR SURE, BUT I THINK IT COULD BE CONNECTED TO, RIGHT, THEY'RE THE INAPPROPRIATENESS RATE, MAYBE TWO OF THE REFERRALS. THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO SEE IF THEY CAN FIND PLACEMENT. I MEAN, I KNOW, YOU KNOW, MY SOCIAL WORKERS, YOU KNOW, WE GET DESPERATE WE'RE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PLACEMENT FOR A KID. YOU'RE TRYING TO FIND SOMETHING YOU'RE TRYING EVERY AVENUE. UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, BUT AGAIN, I THINK THAT'S WHERE IT'S THE NEED, THE, THE PROGRAM SERVICE AND, AND NEED THAT IT CAN MEET IS THE NEED THERE IN THE STATE THE TRUE NEED. RIGHT. SO YEAH. SO, SO IF WE TAKE SUPERVISOR BAER'S EXAMPLE OUT FURTHER IN YOUR RESPONSE, JULIE, UH, UH, SO WHAT DIFFERENTIATES BETWEEN THE NO RESPONSE, LIKE WE DIDN'T HEAR BACK MAYBE ON THIS EXAMPLE THE CHILD HAD BEEN PLACED ELSEWHERE. HOW DOES THAT OVERLAP WITH THE BLUE ONE PLACEMENT NO LONGER NEEDED THAT HAS FIVE? [00:45:01] IS THAT SOMEONE WHO DID COMMUNICATE BACK? WE DON'T NEED IT. CORRECT. AND MAYBE THAT NUMBER WOULD GO UP IF THE NO RESPONSE PEOPLE CALLED BACK AND YES. YES. SO YES. RIGHT. MAYBE THE LIGHT GREEN NUMBER OF 10 WOULDN'T BE THERE IF, YOU KNOW, AND IT WOULD BE ALL IN THE BLUE BECAUSE THEY WOULD SAY, OH NO, THANK YOU. UH, WE FOUND A PLACEMENT OR WE DON'T NEED IT, OR SOMETHING'S CHANGED. UM, AND SO, AND, AND SO TO, YOU KNOW, TO GIVE RIVERBANK CREDIT, THEY CAN ONLY, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE REPORTING ON WHEN THEY SAY NO AND THEN THEY'RE REPORTING ON THE OTHER REASONS. RIGHT? AND SO THE, THE, UM, NO APPROPRIATE MATCH, UM, MEDICAL NEEDS, UM, AIDS SAFETY CONCERNS, UM, ARE PRIMARILY THEM SAYING NO. MM-HMM . AND WHAT IS THEIR CAPACITY, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW YOU MENTIONED THEY HAVE THREE THAT ARE IN THE, UH, THE TEMPORARY, THE SHELTER AND TWO THAT ARE IN THE RESIDENTIAL. WHAT'S THEIR OVERALL CAPACITY? UM, 14 TO 16 IS THE CAPACITY OF THE FACILITY. OKAY. AND I THINK THEY TRY TO STAY AROUND 12 AND WE'RE PAYING, WE'RE FUNDING THIS WHEN IT'S UNDER CAPACITY, RIGHT. WE'RE FUNDING IF THERE'S ONE KID OR 12 KIDS AND WHAT IS, AND WE GET TO BILL SOME OF THIS BACK IF THERE'S KIDS THERE, RIGHT. AND POSSIBLY REACH OR BREAK EVEN IF, IF THE, SO THE WHOLE PREMISE OF THE INCREASED COST OF THIS PROGRAM AND THE CROSS OF ADDING ON THIS, YOU KNOW, 90 DAY ASSESSMENT CENTER, THE PREMISE OF THE FUNDING OF IT IS THAT THE OUTTA COUNTY KIDS, SO WE KNOW WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH KIDS RIGHT, TO, TO, TO FILL THIS FACILITY. SO WE CHARGE THE OUTTA COUNTY, SO WE CHARGE THE OUTTA COUNTY AND THAT WOULD OFFSET OUR COST. BUT IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY KIDS IN THE BEDS, WASHINGTON COUNTY OR OTHER COUNTIES, WE PAY, WE PAY THE FULL AMOUNT. THAT'S THE WAY THE CONTRACT'S SET UP. IS THERE A BREAK EVEN CAPACITY THAT WE NEED TO BE AT? YOU MENTIONED THE GOAL AT 12, IF WE WERE AT 12, IS THAT A BREAK EVEN WHERE IT'S NOT COSTING THE TAXPAYERS ANYTHING? UM, THE WAY THAT I'VE MODELED IT IS NOT THAT IT WOULD NEVER COST THE TAXPAYERS ANYTHING, BUT IT WOULD KEEP US AT, UM, SORT OF HISTORIC LEVELS OF FUNDING, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY HALF OF WHAT, UM, WE CURRENTLY HAVE THEIR CONTRACT AT. AND SO I HA I DON'T HAVE IT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT I HAVE THE NUMBER OF BED DAYS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE, UM, SO THAT IT WOULD COVER THE ADDITIONAL COSTS ABOVE WHAT WE'VE HISTORICALLY BUDGETED. UM, AND IT'S NOT, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE FACILITY NEEDS TO BE AT 12 KIDS ALL THE TIME. IT DOESN'T, THAT'S NOT THE NUMBER. RIGHT. IF THE, IF IT WAS AT 12 KIDS 365 DAYS A YEAR, IT WOULD, IT PROBABLY WOULD PAY FOR ITSELF, RIGHT. UM, IF IT WAS OUTTA COUNTY KIDS. UM, BUT THE, SO I'M GONNA STOP THERE AND SEE IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION. SO IF WE TO HIT OUR GOAL RIGHT NOW OF HAVING IT BE HALF FUNDED BY OUTTA COUNTY KIDS, WOULD WE NEED TO BE ON AVERAGE LIKE SIX KIDS OR EIGHT KIDS? YEAH, I THINK IT WOULD BE ABOUT, ABOUT EIGHT KIDS ON AT ANY GIVEN TIME. AND RIGHT NOW WE'RE AT TWO. SO YEAH, I MEAN, AS YOU MENTIONED, THE STATUS IS VERY EARLY, BUT IF, IF THIS IS THE TREND, IT GETS VERY HARD TO JUSTIFY THIS PROGRAM. IT LOOKS, ISN'T THERE, WE'RE TRYING TO FIX A PROBLEM WHERE IT'S NOT A PROBLEM, YOU KNOW, . SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M THINKING ALONG THAT SAME LINE THAT IF THIS DOESN'T CORRECT SOON, IT MAY BE TEND TO MAKE THAT TOUGH DECISION. AND I WOULD JUST ALSO LIKE TO MENTION THAT THE, THIS HAS BEEN THE HISTORICAL PROBLEM, RIGHT? UM, THAT WE'VE BEEN UNABLE TO HAVE THE NUMBER OF KIDS IN THE BEDS TO MAIN, YOU KNOW, TO, TO JUSTIFY THE PROGRAM. BUT BECAUSE WE NEED THE SHELTER, WE'VE KIND OF KEPT IT GOING. SUPERVISOR GALAS SIMILAR TO, UH, VISOR BO'S QUESTIONING. SO AT SOME POINT WE NEED TO MAKE A DECISION. SO DO YOU AND YOUR STAFF HAVE THAT CALL IT GOOD CRITERIA SO THAT IT'S PROBABLY GONNA COME HERE AS SUSPECT AND THEN WE GO TO THE FULL BOARD, RIGHT? FOR A RECOMMENDATION, WHETHER IT BE, [00:50:01] UH, TO JUST DO SHELTERING, WHICH, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT BACK IN APRIL, AND THAT FOUR OR FIVE BEDS I THINK IS WHAT THE SHELTERING, UH, GOAL WOULD NEED TO BE VERSUS THE UP TO 14 BEDS, BUT TARGETED 12 I SEE BY, BY THE VENDOR. SOONER OR LATER WE HAVE TO MAKE THE DECISION. SO AGAIN, WHAT CRITERIA ARE WE USING TO MAKE THAT DECISION? ARE YOU USING TO MAKE THAT YOU'VE SEEN THIS SLOW INCREASE, BUT IT'S NOT GIVING ME ANY SENSE OF CONFIDENCE AND CAN'T SPEAK FOR ANYONE ELSE ON THE COMMITTEE, BUT IT IS NOT GIVING ME THAT SELF-CONFIDENCE TO SAY, YES, LET'S CONTINUE. UM, I WOULD RATHER CUT OUR LOSSES, IF YOU WILL, AND MOVE TO THE SHELTERING FACILITY VERSUS CONTINUING, AS YOU SAID, HISTORICALLY, IT'S BEEN AN ISSUE, SO HISTORY'S AGAINST US UNLESS SOMETHING MAGICALLY WERE TO HAPPEN WITH LESS DEFERRAL RATES. I AGREE. UM, SO, UH, I THINK THE CRITERIA IS REALLY IN BEING ABLE TO SEE WHAT THEY COULD DEMONSTRATE IN THESE FIRST SEVERAL MONTHS, RIGHT? UM, AND TO SEE IF, IF IT TOOK OFF AND IT, AND SO THE, SO I THINK WHAT IS INTERESTING IS THAT THE REFERRALS ARE THERE, RIGHT? AND THAT WAS OUR QUESTION, ARE THERE, ARE THERE REFERRALS GONNA BE THERE? AND WE'VE BEEN TOLD, YOU KNOW, UM, THAT THERE'S A NEED FOR THIS, THAT COUNTIES ARE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS. UM, BUT IF THE REFERRALS ARE THERE AND THE ADMISSIONS ARE NOT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A DIFFERENT QUESTION. UM, AND SO I AM STILL ON THE TIMELINE THAT I FEEL LIKE BY AUGUST WE'LL HAVE MADE OUR DECISION. I THINK THAT THAT GIVES, AND, AND AS A REMINDER, I, I BELIEVE I SHARED THIS WITH YOU. I MEAN, THEY'RE A YEAR BEHIND SCHEDULE. UM, THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO OPEN UP A YEAR AGO, SO THEY'RE A YEAR BEHIND SCHEDULE. THEY'RE TWO MONTHS INTO THIS, YOU KNOW, WE GIVE THEM FOUR MONTHS INTO IT AND TO DEMONSTRATE, UM, YOU KNOW WHAT THIS, IF, IF WE SAW INCREMENTAL GROWTH EVERY MONTH, I'D SAY WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING THERE, BUT WE'RE NOT REALLY SEEING THAT. UM, AND YOU KNOW, THE, I AGREE, THE HISTORY IS, IS NOT, IS AGAINST US. AND, AND WE HAVE SOME SIGNIFICANT BUDGETARY DECISIONS TO MAKE THIS YEAR AS WELL. I HAVE, UM, AND MAYBE YOU ALREADY SAID THIS, I JUST HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT, UM, FINANCIALLY IF WE HAVE A COUPLE KIDS WHO NEED THE THEIF, WE SENT THEM TO A DIFFERENT COUNTY, HOW, HOW DOES THE, UM, HOW EXPENSIVE IS THAT COMPARED TO RAIN RICE? SO THAT IS, THAT'S SORT OF THE CRUX OF THE ISSUE. AND THE REASON WHY WE'VE HELD ONTO THIS FACILITY FOR THE 30 YEARS THAT WE HAVE IS BECAUSE THE THEORY IS WE KNOW WE HAVE KIDS WHO NEED RESIDENTIAL. WE'D LIKE TO KEEP THEM IN THE COMMUNITY. UM, WE'D LIKE TO KEEP THEM CONNECTED TO THEIR, THEIR SUPPORTS. IT'S HARD FOR FAMILIES TO TRAVEL. WE'D LIKE TO KEEP THEM CONNECTED TO THEIR SCHOOLS IF WE CAN. AND SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S REALLY BEEN THE PREMISES OF, OF RIVER BEND. AND PRIOR TO THAT IT WAS CALLED THE YOUTH TREATMENT CENTER. UM, BUT WHAT WE SEE IS WE'RE SENDING KIDS TO RESIDENTIAL. FIRST OF ALL, RESIDENTIAL NUMBERS HAVE DECREASED SIGNIFICANTLY. WE'VE DONE A LOT OF GOOD WORK AROUND THAT. UM, BUT WHEN WE HAVE TO SEND KIDS TO RESIDENTIAL, TYPICALLY THEY ALWAYS, THEY DON'T ALWAYS CAN GO TO RIVERBEND EITHER. SO WE'RE PAYING FOR RIVERBEND NO MATTER WHAT, AND THEN WE MIGHT ALSO HAVE TO PAY FOR THAT FOR A KID TO GO TO RESIDENTIAL SOMEWHERE ELSE. I MEAN, IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME. UM, AND SO, SO THAT, THAT THOSE COSTS ARE ALREADY BAKED INTO OUR BUDGET, INTO OUR OUT HOME CARE BUDGET. UM, AND WE JUST TRY TO MANAGE THAT ACCORDINGLY. SO IN AN IDEAL WORLD, ON THE PERFECT PIECE OF PAPER, WE HAVE RIVERBEND AND WE DON'T SEND ANYBODY OUT OF COUNTY, BUT THAT JUST HASN'T BEEN WHAT WE'VE SEEN FOR, I MEAN, FOR THE EIGHT YEARS I'VE BEEN HERE. AND, AND BEFORE THAT, 'CAUSE THEY COULD BE DEFERRED TOO, JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE FROM WASHINGTON COUNTY, THEY COULD MEET ONE OF THESE OTHER CRITERIA OR MULTIPLE AND NOT RIGHT, THEY COULD BE INAPPROPRIATE FOR THE MILIEU. THEY COULD HAVE SAFETY CONCERNS, THEY COULD HAVE MEDICAL CONCERNS. UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE CERTAINLY SEEN THAT AND, AND IT'S A STRUGGLE. I MEAN, WE, YOU KNOW, WE PLAY THE SAME GAME THAT I'M SURE SOME OF THESE SOCIAL WORKERS PLAY. WE HAVE TO PLACE A KID. I MEAN, WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, I THINK I'VE SHARED WITH YOU, WE'VE GOT TWO KIDS OUTTA STATE BECAUSE THERE'S NOT A PLACE IN THE CO IN THE STATE OF WISCONSIN THAT WILL TAKE THEM FOR THEIR NEEDS. UM, AND SO, AND MY STAFF, YOU KNOW, WORK DILIGENTLY TRYING TO FIND THOSE PLACEMENTS AND YOU KNOW, I, IDEALLY WE'D HAVE IT HERE, BUT IT DOESN'T ALWAYS WORK OUT THAT WAY. BUT WE KNOW WE NEED SHELTER, UM, BECAUSE WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, IN SHELTERS ONLY 30 [00:55:01] DAYS. SO WE HAVE THAT CRISIS MOMENT FOR SHELTER, UM, THAT WE, AND I THINK THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, THE STAFF HAVE NEVER BEEN VERY RELUCTANT TO, YOU KNOW, SORT OF HAVE THIS TOUGH CONVERSATION THAT WE'RE HAVING BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANNA GIVE UP SHELTER, RIGHT? SO WE HAVE TO HELP SOLVE THAT PROBLEM FOR, FOR THEM AS WELL. PROFESSOR BOSS, UM, CIRCLING BACK A LITTLE BIT, YOU MENTIONED THE HIGH DEFERRAL RATE AND YOU MENTIONED IT'S IN THE TOP 10% OF THE STATE. IS IT POSSIBLE THAT THE CON THAT THE PERSONAL CONTRACTING WITH THAT ORGANIZATION, THEY'RE BEING TOO SELECTIVE? AND IS THERE A WAY THAT WE COULD DISCERN THAT? UM, I DON'T FEEL LIKE I CAN ANSWER THAT. UM, YOU KNOW, TO SAY A, A DEFINITIVE YES OR NO, IT DEFINITELY HAS BEEN A, AN ISSUE THAT'S EBBED AND FLOAT OVER TIME. AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'VE SEEN HIGH RATES FOR OURSELVES, RIGHT? BEFORE EVEN THIS, YOU KNOW, THE 90 DAY ASSESSMENT CENTER, UM, WHEN WE'VE SEEN HIGH DEFERRAL RATES FOR OURSELVES THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD, WE'VE HAD TO SIT DOWN AND HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. UM, AND SO, UM, I KNOW MY TEAM IS HAVING THAT CONVERSATION WITH THEM, SO I DON'T THINK IT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT THERE'S, THEY'RE BEING OVERLY SELECTIVE, BUT I, THEY HAVE THEIR SET OF CRITERIA, RIGHT? UM, AND THEY, THEY HAVE THE THINGS THAT THEY FEEL LIKE THE, THE TYPES OF KIDS AND THE SITUATION THAT THEY FEEL LIKE THEY CAN SAFELY SERVE. UM, AND THEY MAKE THOSE, YOU KNOW, THEY MAKE THEIR OWN BEST CLINICAL DECISIONS. YEAH. SO WE HAVE A PROBLEM, I DON'T KNOW IF, IF I HAVE THE FULLEST GRASP OF THAT FULL PROBLEM STATEMENT BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S VARIED, RIGHT? WE, WE, THE SHELTERING AND THEN WE HAVE THE RESIDENTIAL PIECE, AND THEN KNOW THAT WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH IN COUNTY RESIDENTIAL PLACEMENT AND TRYING TO ADD TO THE REVENUE MIX, IF YOU WILL, WITHOUT A COUNTY PLACEMENT. SO I, I UNDERSTAND THAT PIECE, BUT, SO IF WE GO BACK TO EVEN AN EARLIER CONVERSATION ABOUT A DRC AND, AND WHAT IS CHANGING, WHAT ARE THE NEEDS, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE SERVE OUR, OUR CONSTITUENTS? WE HAVE TO PROVIDE A SERVICE, A SERVICE. THE SHELTERING, I BELIEVE USED, SO DO WE ATTACK IT FROM WHAT DO WE HAVE TO PROVIDE AND WHAT WOULD WE LIKE TO ADDITIONALLY PROVIDE? AND THEN MAYBE, UH, TO SUPERVISE THE COMMENT OF LIKE, WELL, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO MAYBE PLAN FOR THOSE UNKNOWNS, RIGHT? THAT, THAT COME UP AND WE HAVE A PLACEMENT OUT OF STATE BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY PLACE THEY CAN PROVIDE FOR IT. WHATEVER THAT BILL IS, WE HAVE TO PAY IT. SO THAT WOULD HAVE TO DIG INTO WHO KNOWS RESERVE IF THAT COMES UP, BUT IS THERE, IF WE'RE SAYING THE, SORRY, I'M JUMPING AROUND HERE A BIT. SO I'M TRYING TO BRING THIS BACK. IF WE'RE SAYING THAT SHELTERING IS SOMETHING THAT WE STILL WANT TO DO AND WE NEED TO DO, WELL, DO WE FOCUS ON WHAT THAT NEED WOULD BE, WHETHER IT BE BUILDING OUT THE NEXT BIANNUAL BUDGET, UH, OR, OR SUBSEQUENTLY AND JUST FOCUS ON THAT PIECE. AND THEN WHEN WE HAVE TO HAVE RESIDENTIAL PLACEMENTS, DO WE, DO WE ADD TO THE BUDGET? YOU KNOW, ALRIGHT, WE LIKELY WILL SEE A 500 OR $300,000 ANNUAL EXPENSE FROM THAT. SO AT LEAST WE HAVE A BUDGET PLACEHOLDER, SO WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, GOING TO THE FUND BALANCE ALL THE TIME. MM-HMM . I, AGAIN, THAT'S JUST KIND OF WHERE I'M, I'M THINKING. YEAH, AND I KNOW I, JUST TO ADD SOME, YOU KNOW, LAYERS TO THAT. I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE, YOU KNOW, WE'LL PAT OURSELVES ON THE BACK, WE'VE DONE REALLY WELL WITH OUR BUDGET. UM, WE'VE ALWAYS ENDED IN THE, UM, GOOD AND GIVEN SOME MONEY BACK, EVEN THOUGH OUR AUTOHOME CARE HAS BEEN OVER BUDGET. UM, SO WE'VE JUST MANAGED IT THROUGHOUT THE DEPARTMENT, YOU KNOW, AT TO THE, TO THE END BOTTOM LINE. I KNOW THAT THERE ARE OTHER COUNTIES WHO HAVE HAD YEARS WHERE THEY END THEIR BUDGET IN THE RED. AND SO THEN, YOU KNOW, IN THAT YEAR, YOU KNOW, I'M ASSUMING THAT THEN THE COUNTY, YOU KNOW, HAS, HAS FILLED THAT BACK WITH, UM, GENERAL FUND. UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE TRY EVERY YEAR TO END OUR BUDGET IN THE POSITIVE OR AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, AT A SUM ZERO. AND YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, IN THE LAST EIGHT YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN HERE, WE'VE BEEN SUCCESSFUL. I'M ALWAYS WORRIED ABOUT THE YEAR THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT WE WON'T BE SUCCESSFUL IN DOING THAT. AND SO TO YOUR POINT, RIGHT, THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE A DECISION WE'D HAVE TO MAKE ON HOW TO RECONCILE THAT AND THEN, YOU KNOW, AND REPORTING TO THE COMMITTEE ABOUT WHY THAT HAPPENED THAT YEAR. RIGHT. UM, [01:00:01] BUT BECAUSE OUR BUDGET IS SO COMPLEX AND IT'S NOT JUST A ONE SINGLE IN AND OUT, WE JUST TRY TO MAKE UP FOR OVERSPENDING BY MAXIMIZING REVENUE OR UNDERSPENDING IN ANOTHER AREA BY JUST PAYING, YOU KNOW, VERY CLOSE ATTENTION TO IT EVERY MONTH. SURE. THANK YOU. UM, THE COMPANY THAT'S PROVIDING THIS SERVICE, DO THEY HAVE A CONTRACT THAT PENALIZES US IF WE DECIDE TO CUT OUR LOSSES AND END IT? NO, ALL OF OUR CONTRACTS HAVE A 60 DAY OUT. THANK YOU. UM, I, I GUESS THE GREAT DISCUSSION FOR ONE, I I THAT WE, IT WILL CONTINUE, UM, WE CAN SEE THIS GOING FOR ANOTHER COUPLE OF MONTHS TO BRING US TO AUGUST, LIKE YOU SAID, AND THAT'S BUDGET TIME AS WELL, RIGHT. UM, SO, UM, UNLESS THERE'S ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR FEEDBACK, UM, I APPRECIATE THE REPORT AND THE, AND YOU MAYBE WANNA SUMMARIZE AND END IT, BUT YEAH. YEAH. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT. YEAH, AND I THINK ALSO JUST TO, UM, FOLLOW UP A LITTLE BIT MORE TO WHAT SUPERVISOR GALL WAS SAYING, I THINK, UM, I BELIEVE IN A AUGUST WE'LL HAVE A MORE FORMAL, UM, PROPOSAL TO YOU. UM, MAYBE NOT NECESSARILY IN AUGUST, SOMETHING TO VOTE ON, BUT A BUT A FRAMEWORK OF WHAT, WHAT WE THINK WE'RE GONNA BE DOING, BECAUSE I'LL KNOW MORE AS WELL AS WE GO THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS. FAIR ENOUGH. SUPERVISOR Y ONE THOUGHT OCCURRED TO ME HERE, SO GIVE A LITTLE LATITUDE PLEASE. UM, SO WE HAVE OPIOID, RIGHT? AND I SUSPECT SOME OF THE SHELTERING OR PLACEMENTS MIGHT BE DUE CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE ABUSE. IS THAT A FAIR STATEMENT? YOU COULD CONNECT, UM, SOME CHILDREN'S TRAUMA AND BEHAVIOR TO THAT TO A PARENT WHO'S STRUGGLING. YES. OR EVEN A CHILD THEMSELVES. YES. SO IF IT'S A CHILD THEMSELVES WOULD CARE FOR THAT CHILD FALL UNDER THE OPIOID SETTLEMENT, YOU COULD PROBABLY MAKE THAT CONNECTION. AND I'M, I'M JUST THINKING MIND YOU THAT WE KNOW THAT'S FOR A LIMITED PERIOD OF TIME. MM-HMM . BUT, UH, IF THAT MONEY IS GONNA GROW FOR A WHILE, I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ON PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS, HENCE MY LATITUDE. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT HOW BEST TO USE THOSE FUNDS. WELL IF THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL NEED TODAY OR NOW, AND WE COULD TAP INTO THAT TO SERVE A CHILD THAT THE MONEY COULD BE USED FOR IN A SHELTERING OR, OR PLACEMENT. AGAIN, JUST TRYING TO CONNECT SOME DOTS. IF, IF THERE IS A, A LEAN YEAR IN A BUDGET, CAN WE PULL THAT FUND FROM THE, UH, SETTLEMENT? YEAH, I APPRECIATE THAT. UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF I'M GETTING INTO TOPICS I SHOULDN'T TALK ABOUT. SO I WILL TELL YOU THAT, UM, IT, WHEN WE PRESENT, UM, SORT OF A FRAMEWORK OF OR PROPOSAL, WE WILL INCLUDE ALL OF THOSE, UM, POTENTIAL, UM, THINGS THAT WE COULD PULL FROM OR WE COULD USE AND HOW WE COULD USE IT. UM, THE OTHER, UH, LAST QUESTION I HAVE IS, COMPARED TO OTHER, UM, SHELTER HOMES IN RESIDENTIAL IN THE STATE, OTHER COUNTIES, DO WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COMPARE THEIR ACCEPTANCE AND DEFERRAL RATES OR SOME OF THE, NOT ONLY THE RATES, BUT THE DEFINITIONS OF WHEN SOMEONE ASKED BEFORE? ARE WE TOO SPECIFIC? YEAH. UM, AND WHAT, AND WHAT, WHAT ELSE COULD, COULD WE LOOK AT AS A, I KNOW THEY'RE GIVING US THE DIRECTION MM-HMM . UM, SO, UM, I'M NOT SURE, I'D HAVE TO SPEAK TO CORAL ABOUT IF WE CAN PULL SOMETHING FROM WIIS, WHICH IS THEIR DATA SYSTEM FOR CHILD WELFARE AND YOUTH JUSTICE. SO IF WE CAN PULL SOMETHING FROM THEIR, UM, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO AT LEAST JUST SHOW OUR OWN DATA FOR OTHER LOCATIONS. UM, FOR RESIDENTIAL, FOR SHELTER. PART OF THE WORK THAT THEY ARE DOING AND THEY HAVE BEEN DOING IS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW SHELTER IS RUN IN OTHER COUNTIES. NOT EVERY COUNTY HAS SHELTER. UM, AND SO, 'CAUSE ONE OF THE QUESTION, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE, UM, QUESTIONS ON THE TABLE FOR US OVER TIME [01:05:01] HAS BEEN, YOU KNOW, DO WE CLOSE THE WHOLE THING, RIGHT? BUT THEN WE HAVE SHELTER THAT'S TWO OR THREE COUNTIES AWAY, UM, WHICH, UM, IS, IS A NEGATIVE FOR US. AND SO, BUT WE'VE ALSO LOOKED INTO, YOU KNOW, HOW OTHER COUNTIES ARE RUNNING THEIR, THEIR SHELTER. SOME CONTRACT IT OUT, SOME RUN IT THEMSELVES, YOU KNOW. UM, AND SO LOOKING INTO, YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE WENT TO A SHELTER ONLY PROGRAM, YOU KNOW, HOW WOULD WE GO ABOUT DOING THAT? ALL RIGHT. AGAIN, GREAT DISCUSSION. UM, UM, IF WE'LL CONTINUE TO REVIEW THE REPORTS THAT YOU PUT TOGETHER FOR US AND MORE TO BE DISCUSSED. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU JULIE. UM, UM, OUR NEXT MEETING DATE WILL BE AUGUST 27TH. THERE ARE SOME, UH, SCHEDULE CONFLICTS WITH JULY 23RD. SO WE'RE GONNA MEET ON AUGUST 27TH. CANCEL THE JULY 23RD MEETING. OKAY. AND THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED. THANK YOU. GIVE, ARE YOU GOING OVER TO ACKERMAN'S GIRLS? YEAH. YEAH. DO YOU HAVE A COUPLE OF YOUR YARD SIGNS WITH NO, UM, I DON'T, I DON'T EVEN THINK I HAVE ACCESS TO 'EM. I'M KIND OF JUST SHOVES BOXES. OH, OKAY. BECAUSE I WAS THINKING THAT JUST GET HIM READY FOR THE FOOT. OH, MAKE SURE EVERYTHING WOULD, YOU KNOW, UHHUH. UM, BUT YEAH, WE CAN ALWAYS DO A MORNING TOO, RIGHT? YOU HAVE THE RIGHT I DO. NO, I THINK SHE KNOWS BETTER . [01:10:20] THEY, WHEN THEY SAY REDUCE POLARIZATION, WHAT THEY MEAN IS YOU REPUBLICANS DO IT THE WAY WE WANT. YES. YES. I HAVEN'T, I HAVEN'T CALLED THEIR DANCE YET. WHAT'S IT CALLED? IT'S CALLED BRAVER ANGELS. NO AGREEMENT. YEAH. . I JENKIN PERSONALLY, I WOULD NOT, NOT, I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK IT. YEAH. COUPLE SENTENCES. YOU CAN ALWAYS SAY THAT RIGHT NOW YOUR SCHEDULE DOESN THE, YEAH. CHRISTIAN KIND OF THE, I THINK HE'S MORE CONSERVATIVE THAN BROTHER, BUT HE ALSO PLAYS, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT. DID YOU EVER LOOK AT THIS? YEAH, ALL THE, ALL THE CRAZY S**T. TRUMP IS, ALL THE STUFF TRUMP'S. YEAH. SO YEAH, I'M EXPECTING THAT'S GOING TO HEAT UP WITH, DOES ANYBODY ELSE PUT IN BESIDES SINCE, OH, NICK JUST TEXTED SOMETHING. I DUNNO IF IT, I'M ACTUALLY FINISHING IT UP. OKAY. YEAH. , IT'S GONNA BE FUN ASKING HER QUESTION. NOW WHEN, SO THEN THE NEXT STEP IS JULY'S EXECUTIVE MEETINGS? NO, THAT'S AFTER THE BOARD MEETINGS. ION MEETING. WELL, THEY DON'T HAVE TO, BUT IT WOULD PROBABLY WE THE VET WHOEVER TURNED IN FOR, SO IN THE PAST MEETING, TYPICALLY WHAT THEY WOULD DO IS AT FIVE O'CLOCK BEFORE THE COUNT BOARD MEETING, THEY'D HAVE AN EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE. SO THAT WOULD BE THE MIDDLE OF JULY. THERE WE'RE FOR SURE GOING VOTE ON JULY 9TH. I ASKED YOU AT THE BOARD MEETING. YES. OKAY. OKAY. SO THAT MEANS HE INTENDS TO CALL SPECIAL EXEC MEETING. OKAY. AND WHAT YOU GUYS ARE GONNA DO IS MAKE SURE THEY NEED S ARE YOU AT LEAST 21? DO YOU HAVE ANY FELONY LIVE IN THE DISTRICT? DO YOU LIVE IN, IN OUR, IT'S ACTUALLY 18. OH, 18, YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH, YEAH. VOTING AGE. SO THAT'S, AND THEN WE CAN ASK QUESTIONS. WELL, WHEN [01:15:01] IT COMES TO CUTTING BOARD, YEAH, I DON'T, YOU MIGHT WANNA HAVE A BAD COPY CASE. BRAD SAYS NO TO THAT, BUT NO, NO, I'M NOT ASKING THAT. NO, I HAVE A REALLY, I GOT A BETTER ONE, WHICH IS . WAIT A MINUTE, WAIT A MINUTE. BECAUSE MINE'S GONNA BE ABOUT IMMIGRATION. YOU'RE GONNA ASK QUESTION. THIS WILL BE ON THE COUNTY BOARD FLOOR AT THE BOARD MEETING. OKAY. HERE'S MINE WILL BE ABOUT SUPPORTING IMMIGRATION. THE COUNTY SHERIFF. YEAH. NOT EVERYONE GETS A CHANCE. THIS IS MY QUESTION. IT'S AN OPEN MEETING. SO IT WISCONSIN DEMOCRATS RESOLUTION OF REPORT, ILLEGAL ALIENS IN OF CITIES IN WISCONSIN. SOME DISTRICT ATTORNEYS IN WISCONSIN ARE TURNING THEIR COUNCILS NEED TO COOPERATE. WAYNE, WHAT? SANCTUARY THINK WASHINGTON S SO YOU'RE GONNA HIT THE SAME LIA, BECAUSE I'VE GONNA TALK ABOUT OUR, AND YOU'RE GONNA ASK THAT OF, OF BOTH CANDIDATES. THEY'RE ALL THE CANDIDATES. , BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY SAY. THAT'S WHAT THE DEMOCRAT PARTY, MY MINE IS GONNA BE MORE FOCUSED ON HOW OUR COUNTY BOARD HAS SHOWN SUPPORT FOR OUR COUNTY SHERIFF WHO FULLY SUPPORTS FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT FORCING IMMIGRATION LAWS. SO SHOULD I ASK MINE FIRST? I KNOW ONE QUESTION. ONE SUPERVISOR. SHE'S GIVING YOU THE RIGHT OPTIONS. WELL, YOURS, YOU HAD DANA ZULA THERE, SO I REMEMBER I RIPPED HER. I DID, I DIDN'T RIP HER, BUT I SAID, I CAN'T VOTE FOR YOU BECAUSE YOU RAN HOW MANY TIMES? AND MOSS PRETTY DECISIVE. AND THEN THEY NEVER EVEN SHOWED, WELL, SOMEBODY WANTS TO VOTE FOR HIM IN 10. HE GOT A COUPLE OF VOTES FROM, AND THEN DANA GOT A COUPLE OF VOTES. I THINK SHE GOT ONE THERE. I MEAN, I HAVE A COUPLE OTHER QUESTIONS. MAHOLIC VOTED FOR DAVID ZOO. YEAH, MAHOLIC. OKAY. OH, DON, IT'S LIKE WAS WHIP UP AND IT'S A, IT'S A PAPER BY THE BALLOT. BUT ANYWAY, THE QUESTION I GOT WAS FROM DOUG. HE SAID, ARE YOU GOING TO RUN AFTER YOU'RE DONE? WHAT? WHAT? ? WELL, THAT'S, THAT'S A VALID QUESTION BECAUSE HE SAID I WAS APPOINTED AS WELL AND I I JUST WANT TO BE GONNA RUN. OKAY. DOUG WAS NOT APPOINTED. NO. DOUG, DOUG BEAT, UH, WHAT WAS KEITH? STEFAN WHO WAS APPOINTED FIRST? NO, BECAUSE I HAD TO RUN THEN. NO, HE RAN FOR THE APPOINTMENT AGAINST THESE SECONDS. WE PULLED KEITH. 'CAUSE KEITH WAS MORE BUSINESS AND KEITH WAS MORE CONSERVATIVE. AND THEN DOUG BEAT HIM IN THE ELECTION AND SEE, SO DOUG IS REAL WELL CONNECTED, THE PRESIDENT OF THE VILLAGE BOARD, AND HE WORKS FULL-TIME. SO HE'S WEARING THREE DIFFERENT HATS. IT'S, YEAH. AND ONE OF THEM'S A FULL-TIME PEER. I MEAN, THAT'S, OTHERWISE I CAN, YOU KNOW. YEAH, KIDDING. I, I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF WEARING MULTIPLE HATS IN STUFF, BUT, UM, I JUST KNOW THAT THAT WAS AN IMPRESSION. CAN YOU, SO THERE'S AN, LET'S SPEED THINGS UP A BIT TOO. SHE GOT A COUPLE, BUT IT WAS FAIRLY CLEAR VOTING TIME THAT IT WAS, I THINK IT WAS 17 TO, I KNEW I WASN'T QUOTING FOR DENNIS AND I KNEW I WASN'T VOTING FOR DENNIS. AND I HEARD A LOT OF GOOD THINGS ABOUT YOU. LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT WAS LIKE. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.