Jul 17, 2025 Public Works Committee Meeting

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ALL SET.

YOU GUYS SET? OKAY.

I'LL BRING THIS WASHINGTON COUNTY PUBLIC WORKS COMMITTEE MEETING TO ORDER.

IT'S BEEN POSTED AS REQUIRED BY, UH, BY ALL LAWS.

AND WE'LL STAND FOR, UH OH.

EVERYBODY'S HERE.

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WE'LL STAND FOR A MOMENT OF SILENT PRAYER AND PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,

[Call to Order, Roll Call, Affidavit of Posting, A Moment of Silent Prayer, and Pledge of Allegiance]

I'D LIKE TO WELCOME OUR NEW MEMBER, SUPERVISOR, STEWART.

ALL RIGHT.

HI, NICK.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

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THANK YOU.

GLAD TO BE HERE.

I'M GLAD THAT WASN'T AWKWARD.

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ALL RIGHT.

LET'S, UH, ANYBODY HAVE, UH, ANY CHANGES OR SEE ANYTHING IN THE MEETING MINUTES THAT NEEDS TO BE UPDATED OR CHANGED? SEEING NOTHING? NOPE.

EVERYBODY'S GOOD? ALL RIGHT.

WE'LL POST 'EM AS READ.

NEXT ITEM DISCUSSION OR POSSIBLE ACTION ITEM

[Minutes]

[a. Minutes of June 19, 2025]

HEY, HOW YOU DOING, JOSH? GOOD.

HOW'S EVERYBODY? UM, GOOD AFTERNOON.

SO, JUST, UH, WANTED TO GIVE AN UPDATE ON SOME OF THE THINGS THAT, SOME OF THE PLANS THAT WE HAVE GOING ON THROUGH HIGHWAY.

UM, WE HAVE 2050 PLANS FOR THE TRANSPORTATION NETWORK SUSTAINABILITY PLANS.

UM, WE'RE ACTUALLY SHIFTING

[Discussion or Possible Action]

[a. Highway Quarterly Report]

SO THEY'RE GONNA BE THE ONES THAT WE DO MOVING FORWARD, UH, COUNTY AS WELL AS THE LOCALS ARE GONNA BE 2060.

SO SHIFTING THAT TIMELINE UP.

SO WE DO HAVE A FEW ON DECK HERE AS FAR AS THE LOCALS GO.

UM, TOWN OF JACKSON AND TOWN OF ADDISON ARE OUR NEXT ONES THAT WE'RE ANTICIPATE, UM, CREATING FOR THE, FOR THE LOCALS.

UH, AND THEN THIS FALL WE'LL BE WORKING ON THE COUNTIES TOO, SO IT'S KIND OF A, A STAGE THING.

SO, UM, THOSE WILL BE NEXT.

AND, UH, FOR THE INTERSECTION SAFETY ANALYSIS AND THE ROADWAY, UH, ANALYSIS, UM, AS YOU GUYS KNOW, COMING THROUGH THIS COMMITTEE, YOU DID REVIEW THE COUNTY'S PLANS.

UM, SO THEN WORKING CLOSELY WITH GIS AND MIKE VANDER SANDON, UH, THROUGH THE MAPPING AND THE ANALYSIS THAT, THAT HE DOES TO INITIATE THAT PROCESS.

AND THE, THE DATA DOWNLOAD THROUGH THE CRASH, UH, REPORTS AND THAT SYSTEM, UH, HE ANTICIPATES IN AUGUST THAT HE'LL BE ABLE TO KIND OF SHIFT GEARS AND OPEN THAT WHOLE CAN OF WORMS THERE.

AND ONCE WE DO, ONCE WE GO DOWN, START GOING DOWN THAT PATH, UM, ONCE THAT INITIAL INITIAL DATA IS ALL KIND OF DUMPED IN AND RAN THROUGH HIS ANALYSIS, WE ANTICIPATE TO BE ABLE TO PRODUCE, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLE TOWNS.

LIKE ALL THE TOWNS WILL COME IN AT ONCE, AND WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO KIND OF HAMMER OUT THOSE PLANS KIND OF IN BATCHES SURE.

IS MY INTENT.

SO IN AUGUST, THAT'S GONNA BE A BUSY MONTH FOR, UM, IN THAT REGARD FOR SOME OF THE, THE LOCAL WORK THERE ON THE ROADWAYS AND SA AND THE INTERSECTION PLANS.

I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION WITH REGARDS TO SHIFTING FROM THE 2050 TO THE 2060 PLAN.

OBVIOUSLY WE COMPLETED SOME OF THE MUNICIPALITIES ALREADY ON A 2051 MM-HMM .

ARE WE GONNA GO BACK THEN AND UPDATE THAT FOR THE 2060, OR IS IT JUST WHEN THEY CALL US BACK IN A COUPLE YEARS, WE GO BACK AND UPDATE THEIRS TO MATCH OURS? OR HOW DOES THAT WORK? SCOTT'S GOT, HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS ON THAT.

UH, YES.

I WOULD ANTICIPATE AT SOME POINT GOING BACK THROUGH, UH, ONE OF THE BEAUTIES OF THE PLAN IS THEY ACTUALLY HAVE ACCESS TO THE, THE ONLINE DATABASE AND COMPUTER PROGRAM THAT WAS MADE BY OUR IT DEPARTMENT.

SO, UH, THEY CURRENTLY HAVE THE CAPABILITY TO EXTEND THAT OUT TO 2060 OR BEYOND IF THEY WANTED TO AS WELL.

UH, RIGHT NOW, THE ONES THAT WERE COMPLETED FOR 2050 WAS THE CITY, WEST BEND AND VILLAGE OF KIOSKI.

SO THEY'VE GOT A COUPLE MORE YEARS BEFORE THEY GOTTA GET ALL THE WAY UP TO 2060.

SO, SURE.

I THINK THEY'RE WORKING HARD ON THE 2050 PLAN RIGHT NOW, AND AT SOME POINT, IF THEY DO REQUEST IT US TO GO 2060, I'M SURE WE'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO TO ADJUST THAT FOR THEM.

I'M ASSUMING THAT WOULD BE AN EASIER STEP SINCE WE ALREADY

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WE'RE THE ONES WE DID FOR FARMINGTON AND THE ONE WE'RE COMPLETING FOR THE CITY OF HARTFORD WILL BE 2060.

SO WE JUST HAVE THE TWO ON THE SHELF THAT ARE AT, AT 2050.

GOOD TO KNOW.

THANK YOU.

AND THEN WITH THE COUNTY'S PLAN GOING OUT TO 2060, THE FIRST STEP THEN IS, AND WHERE THE, THE PLANS ALL ORIGINATED IS THROUGH THE MASTER SPREADSHEET THAT WE HAVE GOING ON THAT WE STARTED YEARS AGO.

I HAVE STARTED UPDATING THAT AND KIND OF RE PROJECTING FROM THAT STAGE.

UM, AND THEN WITH SOME OF THE CHANGES IN MOVING PARTS THAT WE'VE HAD LAST YEAR, THIS YEAR AND NEXT YEAR WITH SOME OF OUR CONSTRUCTION REPAVING PROJECTS, UM, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING'S ALL TIED TOGETHER, SO MM-HMM .

FROM THERE NOW WE CAN KIND OF RESET THE DOMINOES.

UM, SO IT, IT, THE BALL IS ROLLING ON THE COUNTY'S PLAN EARLY STAGES, BUT IT IS GOING.

SOUNDS GOOD.

YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE OR ARE YOU DOING THE HIGH RISK RURAL ROAD PLANS, OR IS THAT WHAT WE JUST KIND OF COVERED THERE TOO? THAT, WELL, THAT, THAT'S THE LOCAL WORK.

THAT'S OKAY.

SO IN AUGUST WHEN MIKE HAS CAPACITY, THEN WE'RE GONNA SHIFT GEARS AND GOTCHA.

BE A WAVE OF THOSE COMING THROUGH.

SOUNDS GOOD.

ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I GUESS WE'RE GOOD.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU.

EXCUSE ME.

WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM B TO TRANSIT RIDERSHIP REPORT.

OBVIOUSLY EVERYBODY'S GOT A COPY OF ALL THE NUMBERS AND STUFF.

FOUR.

ALRIGHT.

YEP.

HELLO? OH, MY NAME IS CHARLES UFT.

I'M THE, YEP.

UH, TRANSIT MANAGER OF WASHINGTON COUNTY.

ALRIGHTY.

SO ATTACHED WE HAVE THE RIDERSHIP REPORT.

UH, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON

[b. Transit Ridership Report]

OBVIOUSLY IT'S KIND OF STABILIZED, RIGHT? SEEMS TO BE AROUND THE SAME, PRETTY CLOSE TO THE SAME EVERY YEAR.

WELL, I HAD A QUESTION.

IS IT JUST 2024, CHARLIE? BECAUSE YOU KNOW OF OF THAT IT, IT'S GOING OUT FOR RFPI.

I DON'T SEE 2025.

YOU DIDN'T GET, OH, THERE'S TWO REPORTS.

IT'S THE 24 AND 25 REPORT, THE ONE ABOVE IT.

I MEANT SCROLL.

YEAH, THAT WAS, I WAS GONNA POINT OUT TO THE COMMITTEE THAT YOU HAD REQUESTED THAT WE SEE THE, THE PAST DATA FROM 24.

SO THAT'S THE BOTTOM ONE.

YOU'LL SEE THE 25 DATA AND 25 DATA, AND THEN ALL OF 24 AND THEN ALL OF 24.

24.

I WAS GONNA SAY THAT'S, I I OPENED UP A DIFFERENT FILE, BUT THAT'S IN THERE.

TOP NO, OPEN THE OTHER, GO BACK TO THE TECHNICAL ISSUES.

THE TOP ONE.

OH, THAT JUST CAME.

THERE YOU GO.

I DIDN'T HAVE THAT BEFORE.

NOW I HAVE TWO.

OKAY.

THERE YOU GO.

BEAUTIFUL.

MM-HMM .

THANK YOU.

YOU MAY RECALL THE COMMITTEE ASKED, YOU ASKED THE TRANSIT MANAGER TO PROVIDE 24 DATA AS WELL.

SO YOU'LL SEE 25 AND 25, UH, FOLLOWED SIMILARLY TO 24 AND 24 DATA TO GET A, A FLAVOR FOR THE FULL PAST YEAR AS WELL.

SO, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YOU GUYS GOOD WITH EVERYTHING? ALL RIGHT.

AND MOVE ON TO ITEM C.

TRANSIT FOR BIDS UPDATE.

SCOTT, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE TAKING ON? I, I THINK TRIAL WILL TAKE THE LEAD ON THIS ONE.

OKAY.

BLESS YOU.

I JUST SAW YOUR NAME ON THE TOP.

YEP.

THAT'S WHY I WASN'T SURE.

OH.

UH, SO WASHINGTON COUNTY TRANSIT, WE ISSUED AN RFP IN 2020.

IS THAT RESULTED IN A ONE YEAR BASE CONTRACT AND FOUR OPTIONAL ONE YEAR RENEWALS.

[c. Transit Request for Bids Update]

SO WE JUST RELEASED IN, UH, ON JULY 10TH, THE RFP FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.

IT'S A TWO YEAR BASE WITH THREE, UH, OPTIONAL RENEWALS.

UH, THIS IS BEING DONE.

WE WERE JUST, UH, RECLASSIFIED FROM, FROM URBAN TO RURAL, SO WE'LL BE UNDER THE SUBRECIPIENT OF THE STATE.

SO THEY'RE OVERSEEING THIS, UH, PROCUREMENT PROCESS.

SO IT'S A NEW STATE TEMPLATE FOR THE, FOR THE BID, UH, LET'S SEE HERE.

AND SO THEY WILL ALSO BE, UH, APPROVING ANY PROCUREMENTS BEFORE THE AWARD AS WELL.

SO THEY, THEY HAVE DIRECT OVERSIGHT ON THIS, UH, THIS PROCESS.

UH, IN THE, UH, RFP, THERE ARE NO SERVICE OR FAIR CHANGES IN THERE.

IT'S THE, THE SAME SERVICE.

WELL, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'D PROBABLY HAVE TO REVIEW ANYWAY AND VOTE ON AND ALL THAT IF WE ARE MAKING THE CHANGE AGAIN.

RIGHT.

AND HOURS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF, LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE.

CORRECT.

THERE'S A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE YOU MAY RECALL THAT YOU CAN DO, UM, AT, AT A COMMITTEE LEVEL.

THERE'S ANOTHER CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF OF CHANGE THAT YOU HAVE TO DO THAT REQUIRES A PUBLIC HEARING ON IT.

UH, YOU CAN IMAGINE YOU CAN'T JUST DOUBLE YOUR FARES AND NOT HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON .

YOU CAN'T REDUCE YOUR, YOUR HOURS AND A HALF AND NOT HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON IT.

SO YEAH, THERE ARE CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS IN THE STATE NOW THAT, UH, IF YOU WANNA MAKE MODIFICATIONS TO IT, YOU HAVE TO DO THE PUBLIC HEARING ON IT.

SO AT THIS POINT, UH, WE'RE WORKING OUR WAY THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS AND MM-HMM .

AS THE COMMITTEE KNOWS THAT, UH, THEY RECENTLY INCREASED

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AND SO THAT'S ALWAYS A POSSIBILITY.

BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT NOT DOING ANY MAJOR CHANGES, UH, THAT REQUIRE ANY PUBLIC HEARING, UH, AS PART OF THIS PROJECT PROCESS.

BUT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE AWARE OF THIS GOING OUT IN CASE YOU HEAR SOMETHING IN THE COMMUNITY.

UM, IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE NOT HAPPY WITH THE CURRENT SERVICE, BUT WE ARE, UH, UP WITH THAT CURRENT CONTRACT AND WE NEED TO GO OUT, UH, TO PROPOSALS AND IT WAS SENT OUT STATEWIDE, UM, GOTCHA.

TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY HAD A CHANCE TO PUT THEIR PROPOSALS TOGETHER FOR IT.

YEAH.

AND I SEE YOU GOT A SCHEDULE ON THAT.

SO OBVIOUSLY DURING OUR BUDGET TALKS IN AUGUST, WE'LL, WE'LL DISCUSS THIS.

ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS? OKAY, WE'RE MOVING RIGHT ALONG TODAY.

SEE YOU NONE.

WE'LL MOVE ON TO MASTER PLAN BUDGET, ALTERNATE BIDS AND TIMELINE UPDATE.

UH, THANK YOU.

UH, THIS COMING MONDAY, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A BUILDING COMMITTEE MEETING.

UH, SO, UH, THOSE OF YOU THAT ARE GONNA BE AT THAT MEETING WILL GET A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL, BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COMMITTEE HERE WAS AWARE OF WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THAT, WITH THAT BUILDING AND THE BUILDING COMMITTEE AND A MASTER PLAN.

UH, SO YOU SEE THE REPORTS THAT

[d. Master Plan Budget, Alternate Bids and Timeline Update]

SO, UM, INSIDE THAT, UH, BUDGET SPREADSHEET, UH, YOU'LL SEE THE FIRST PAGE OF IT, UM, OF THE REPORT.

IT'S GOT THE BUDGET EXPENSES ON THE LEFT, THE FUNDING SOURCES ON THE RIGHT.

UH, VERY PLEASED TO SAY THAT THE BIDS CAME IN, UH, ABOUT RIGHT WHERE WE EXPECTED, AND THAT'S WHY YOU INCLUDED THE ARCHITECTURALS 90%, UH, BID ESTIMATE IN THE PACKET AS WELL THAT SHOWED JUST HOW CLOSE IT WAS.

UH, THE THING YOU'LL NOTICE IS THAT OUR CONTINGENCY, UH, TYPICALLY IN A BUILDING PROJECT LIKE THIS, YOU WANT AROUND 10%.

WE'RE AT 8.9%.

AND SO WE'RE REALLY CLOSE THAT, UH, THE BUILDING COMMITTEE WILL LOOK AT THOSE ALTERNATES TO SEE IF IT'S WORTHWHILE TO INCLUDE THOSE OR NOT INCLUDE THOSE.

AND IF THEY DON'T INCLUDE ONE OF THE ALTERNATES OR MULTIPLE ALTERNATES, THAT MONEY WOULD THEN GO INTO THE CONTINGENCY, UM, AND POTENTIALLY BE USED, UH, AS THAT SOURCE OR NOT UTILIZED IF WE DON'T HAVE TO USE THAT CONTINGENCY.

SO THAT'S HOW THE ALTERNATES ARE GONNA WORK, THAT IF THEY'RE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT HAVING A 10% CONTINGENCY, WHICH IS KIND OF THE INDUSTRY STANDARD, THAT MEANS ABOUT $60,000 OF THE ALTERNATES WOULD NOT BE, UH, ACCOUNTED FOR.

UH, BUT SINCE IT IS BORROWED FUNDING, UH, IT'S NOT LEVY DOLLARS, IT'S BORROWED FUNDING, UH, WE'LL BE MAKING RECOMMENDATION THAT THEY DO APPROVE THOSE ALTERNATE BIDS.

ALL THE ALTERNATES.

ALL THE ALTERNATES.

OKAY.

UM, AND WE'RE KIND OF COMFORTABLE WITH THE NINE 8.9%, UH, CONTINGENCY THAT'S LEFT IN THERE.

SURE.

AND YOU'LL SEE THERE'S A, A SPREADSHEET, UM, UH, THE REPORT IS HEAVILY, UM, SPREADSHEET, UH, RELIANT, UH, THIS MONTH FOR, FOR THAT COMMITTEE.

UH, WHICH KIND OF LABELS OUT, IF YOU LOOK DOWN BELOW THE, AGAIN, THE PRA, THE ARCHITECT'S BUDGET ESTIMATE.

BUT THEN NOT ONLY THAT, BUT WHAT IT'S ALL INCLUDED, UM, AND WHAT THE, THE COUNTY WOULD ALL EXPECT TO GET FOR THAT.

UM, $7 MILLION.

UM, SO OBVIOUSLY WE'RE GETTING NOT JUST THE UPDATE TO THIS BUILDING.

UH, THEY'RE GETTING THE NEW GENERATOR, UH, CARD ACCESS SYSTEM, DIGITAL SIGNAGE, EXTERIOR SIGNAGE, UH, SOME NEW FURNITURE, UH, AN EXTENSION ONTO THE MILLWORK HERE IN THE BOARDROOM.

UM, MONITORS AND TEAMS ROOMS, SOME IT EQUIPMENT.

UH, SCHMIDT ROAD IS GONNA GET REPAVED AS PART OF THAT.

THE PARKING LOT WORK OUTSIDE ALL THE WORK THAT WE ALREADY DISCUSSED INSIDE THIS BUILDING.

SO IT'S A QUITE A MONUMENTAL WORK.

AND THE LIST OF, UH, THINGS THAT ARE GETTING COMPLETED, UH, FOR THAT, FOR THAT $7 MILLION, THAT INCLUDES THE ARCHITECTURAL FEES, UH, PERMITS, ALL THAT KIND OF INFORMATION TOO.

SO, UM, SO ANY QUESTIONS ON THE, THE BUDGET PART OF IT? UM, THE ALTERNATES ARE IN THERE.

A LOT OF THE ALTERNATES THAT YOU SEE WERE, UH, WE INCLUDE A NEW LIGHTING THROUGHOUT THE BUILDING.

UH, BUT AS WITH ANY PROJECT, YOU GET A LITTLE BIT NERVOUS ABOUT, ARE WE GONNA BE OVER BUDGET? UNDER BUDGET? SO PUTTING ALTERNATE BIDS IN THERE GOING, IF THE BASE BID GETS, YOU KNOW, TOO HIGH THEN, AND WE CAN'T AWARD IT NOW, WE GOTTA START OVER FROM SCRATCH.

WE GOT A LITTLE NERVOUS AND SAID, ALL RIGHT, LET'S, LET'S TAKE SOME ALTERNATES OUT, THEN WE CAN MAYBE NOT DO, AND IF WE'RE DOING THE LIGHTING TO GET LED LIGHTING THROUGHOUT THE BUILDING, LET'S JUST NOT DO THE HALLWAYS RIGHT.

SO THAT'S AN ALTERNATE BID.

UM, WE'RE DOING THE LIGHTING IN ALL THE REST OF THE ROOMS. UH, WHAT IF WE DON'T HAVE NEW CARPETING AND NEW PAINT ON THE WALLS? THAT KIND OF STUFF AS, AS AN ALTERNATE BED GOING, WELL, WE COULD DO THAT AS A, AS OUR OWN PROJECT SET ASIDE LATER ON DOWN THE ROAD IF WE DON'T HAVE THE FUNDS TO DO IT NOW.

UM, BUT OBVIOUSLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT THOSE ALTERNATE BIDS AND HOW THEY CAME IN WITH THE OTHER CONTRACTORS THAT WERE BIDDING IT, THEY WERE LOW ON MOST OF THEM, UM, OR SECOND LOW.

SO IF WE DELAY THOSE, WE'RE PROBABLY NOT GONNA GET THE SAME COST EFFECTIVENESS THAT WE WOULD RIGHT NOW.

AND THEN WE'D BE DISTURBING PEOPLE LATER ON AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF, VERSUS JUST ONE TIME OVER THE COURSE OF NEXT YEAR, GET IT DONE AND THEN, AND THEN MOVE ON.

SO, UM, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY WE HAD SOME SECURITY UPGRADES AS WELL AS ANY ULTIMATE BIDS AFTER ONE OF OUR SHERIFF'S DEPUTIES ATTENDED A NATIONAL CONFERENCE, CAME BACK WITH SOME THOUGHTS, UM, THAT I THINK WERE VERY GOOD THOUGHTS THAT WE, WE DIDN'T THINK ABOUT WHEN WE WERE GOING TO GET THAT POINT.

SO SOME,

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SO AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, IF I TAKE A ROCK AND THROW IT THROUGH A WINDSHIELD OF A CAR, IT SHATTERS, BUT IT TYPICALLY DOESN'T BREAK.

BUT IF I GO TO MY WINDOW OUTTA MY HOME AND I THROW IT THROUGH THERE, IT PROBABLY BREAKS THE WINDOW AND GLASSES EVERYWHERE.

SO KIND OF A SAFETY FILM LIKE YOUR WINDSHIELD HAS IN YOUR CAR.

MY BEST WAY TO EXPLAIN IT, UM, IT'S A LITTLE MORE HIGH END THAN THE STUFF IS ON THE CAR, BUT THAT'S MY BEST WAY TO EXPLAIN IT, THAT IF SOMEONE WANTS TO GET INTO OUR BUILDING, UM, IT WOULD DEFINITELY DELAY THEM BECAUSE AGAIN, THE WINDOW WOULD SHATTER, BUT IT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY FALL DOWN AND BREAK AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

SO THAT'S SOME OF THE ALTERNATE BIDS.

AND THEN WE ALSO INCLUDED THE TIMELINE, UH, SELTZER ORANGE, WHICH IS THE CURRENT LOW BIDDER, UH, PUT A TIMELINE, UM, THAT ACTUALLY DELAYED THE START OF THEIR PROJECT TILL ABOUT NOVEMBER, THE INTERIOR WORK.

AND THEY STILL FEEL COMFORTABLE IN THAT.

THEY HAD SOME, UH, THINGS THEY HAD TO PROCURE AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

THEY WANNA MAKE SURE THEY HAD A CERTAIN DEMOLITION CONTRACTOR DOING THE DEMOLITION.

UH, THEY HAVE WORKED ON A COUPLE OF OUR OTHER PROJECTS, INCLUDING THE BOARDROOM HERE, AND THEY DID MEET THE SCHEDULE THAT WAS GIVEN TO 'EM AT THAT TIME.

UH, THE GREAT THING IS IT'LL INCREASE, IT'LL, UM, NOT IMPACT OUR STAFF AS MUCH WITH THE SHORTER WINDOW BEING ONLY ONE YEAR VERSUS A YEAR IN, IN ABOUT FOUR MONTHS.

SO, UH, THAT'S A POSITIVE THING.

WE WORKED WITH THEM, WE'RE GETTING THEIR SCHEDULE IN LINE TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT MOVING THE TREASURER DURING TAX TIME, FOR INSTANCE.

WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, NOT MOVING THE CLERK DURING AN ELECTION PERIOD.

RIGHT.

THAT KIND OF STUFF.

SO WE'RE WORKING TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY DON'T, UH, NEGATIVELY IMPACT A LOT OF THE INTERIOR OFFICES THAT WE HAVE AT, AT THE COUNTY.

SO THAT'S KIND OF THE, THE UPDATE IN A, IN A NUTSHELL, GOING, WE INCLUDED THE BUDGET, UH, WE INCLUDED THE ALTERNATES THAT THE COMMITTEE'S GONNA LOOK LIKE, LOOK AT ON MONDAY, AS WELL AS THE TIMELINE THAT THE, THE CONTRACTOR, AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'RE STILL FINALIZING THE EXACT DETAILS IN THE, IN THE TIMELINE, BUT, UM, CONFIDENT THAT THEY CAN GET THAT WORK DONE.

THE NICE THING ABOUT INTERIOR WORK IS WEATHER DOES NOT AFFECT IT.

NO.

AND THE EXTERIOR WORK IS STILL PLANNED FOR THIS FALL.

SURE.

ANY QUESTIONS? ANYTHING ELSE YOU NEEDED TO ADD, SCOTT? OR ARE WE, WE GOOD ON THAT? I THINK, UH, EVERYBODY'S HAPPY WITH THE BID RESULTS, SO YES.

AND THEY'RE ALL PRETTY COMPETITIVE IF YOU LOOKED AT THE, RIGHT, RIGHT.

AND, AND THE OTHER THING I NOTED TOO IS, UM, AND I BELIEVE WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE, IS WHEN YOU ADD UP ALL THE ALTERNATES, HE'S STILL LOW BID, RIGHT? CORRECT.

SO THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW.

SEE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.

WE'LL MOVE ON TO COUNTY HIGHWAY K, NO PARKING ON 1 44.

DO YOU WANT ME TO START THIS OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO, YOU CERTAINLY CAN START AT YOUR, I CAN.

OKAY.

SO, SO THIS IS IN MY DISTRICT AND, UH, THE, THE TOWN OF WEST BEND APPROACHED ME AND ASKED ABOUT BRINGING THIS UP AGAIN.

SO IF ANYBODY KNOWS, UH, IT WAS, THERE WAS A MAP IN HERE, RIGHT? MM-HMM .

YEP.

IF EVERYBODY LOOKED AT THE MAP, I THINK WE'RE GONNA BRING IT UP ON THE SCREENS.

CAN

[e. CTH K – No Parking STH 144 to Division Road]

AND THAT'S WHERE BIG CEDAR LAKE IS, YOU SAID NOW AT, IS THAT YOU SAID DOWN? IS IT IT COMES DOWN, IT'S STEEP HILL.

OH, YEAH.

SO IT'S A, IT'S A STEEP HILL.

RIGHT.

OKAY.

WE'VE HAD COMPLAINTS ABOUT PARKING THERE BEFORE.

UM, MY UNDERSTANDING IS OUR COUNTY ROADS NOW, THE WAY WE DO 'EM, WE HAVE PLENTY WIDE GIRTH ON THE SIDES FOR PARKING.

RIGHT.

OUR, WE HAVE WIDER SHOULDERS AND STUFF.

UM, SO I DON'T SEE IT AS A SAFETY HAZARD, BUT SOME PEOPLE HAVE, AND IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE PARKING THAT'S A SAFETY HAZARD.

IT'S WHEN THEY TAKE THEIR KIDS AND WALK 'EM ACROSS, HI, STATE HIGHWAY 1 44 AND GO TO THE BOATS.

SO ANYWAY, WITH THE COMPLAINTS THEY ASKED THAT I BRING THIS UP AT THE COUNTY LEVEL AND, AND FIND OUT IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY INTEREST IN POSSIBLY DOING NO PARKING ZONES IN THIS AREA AND WOULD JUST BE GOING UP THE HILL.

WHAT WOULD YOU SAY, SAY ABOUT A HUNDRED FEET ROUGHLY? SCOTT, WHAT WERE YOU LOOKING AT BEFORE? WAS IT A HUNDRED FEET OR 200 FEET? SO, SO THE, THE, THE CURRENT IN THERE IS ABOUT 800 FEET.

OH, THAT'S 800? YES.

OKAY.

AND SO JUST SO EVERYONE'S ON THE, ON THE SAME PAGE, YOU ARE NOT VOTING TODAY TO, TO ENLIST A NO PARKING ZONE? NO, NO, NO, NO.

WE, THIS IS JUST A DISCUSSION ITEM OF POSSIBLY SENDING IT BACK TO THE SAFETY FOR REVIEW AGAIN.

UM, SO I HAVE A COUPLE THOUGHTS ON THIS.

AGAIN, IT'S, IT IS IN MY DISTRICT, THE ONLY TIME IT'S REALLY A PROBLEM IS OBVIOUSLY SUMMERTIME.

AND WHEN IN THE SUMMER, THE HOLIDAYS, RIGHT? JULY 4TH, THERE'S CARS PARKED ON BOTH SIDES UP AND DOWN THAT HILL.

AND THAT'S WHEN THE NEIGHBORS COMPLAIN.

THE OTHER ISSUE, THEY HAVE TRUTH BE TOLD, YOU KNOW, IN MY OPINION, IS THAT WHAT HAPPENS IS THESE PEOPLE, THEY DROP OFF THEIR BOATS, THEY PARK THEIR CAR HERE, THEY COME PICK IT UP, AND THEY GO ON PRIVATE

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'CAUSE THAT'S ALL PRIVATE PROPERTY THERE.

MM-HMM.

OKAY.

YOU SAID THERE IS THERE, IS THERE A LAKE? I'M SORRY.

'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW THE AIR.

IS THERE A LAKE RIGHT HERE THEN? YEAH.

YEP.

BIG CEDAR LAKE IS RIGHT ON THE, THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE PAGE.

RIGHT NEXT TO 1 44.

SO THAT'S, IN FACT, YOU CAN SEE THE PIERS ON THE CORNER THERE.

YEAH, NO, I, I, BECAUSE WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THIS, I'M LIKE, WELL, THERE'S PLENTY OF, UH, ALL THE HOUSES THERE HAVE LARGE DRIVEWAYS.

SO I'M LIKE, WHY WOULD YOU NEED THAT? YOU KNOW, I'M, THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING ABOUT AND BEING A HILL, BUT I, I DON'T, COULDN'T PICTURE THE LAKE.

OH, THERE HE IS.

GOT IT UP THERE FOR YOU TOO.

OKAY.

IT'S, IT'S NOT THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE WHO ARE PARKING ON THE ROAD.

I GOTCHA.

UH, IT'S NOT, I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S THEIR GUESTS.

I THINK IT'S PEOPLE THAT COME FROM EITHER OUT OF TOWN OR WHEREVER.

YEAH.

UH, BUT AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S A COMPLAINT I HAD AND, AND SOME OF THE CONCERNS, AND AGAIN, SCOTT, I'LL BE WILLING TO LISTEN TO YOUR, YOUR OPINIONS ON THIS AS WELL, BECAUSE THIS HAS COME BEFORE YOU BEFORE.

SORRY ABOUT THAT GUYS.

UM, BUT, UM, THE COMPLAINT HAS NOW BEEN, IT'S NOT ONLY THE PARKING, ESPECIALLY RIGHT BY THE ROADWAY MM-HMM .

I'M SORRY, RIGHT BY THE INTERSECTION WHERE LIKE WHEN TRUCKS TRY TO MAKE THE CORNER AND STUFF.

BUT THEN THERE'S ALSO A COUPLE DRIVEWAYS THERE THAT PEOPLE CLAIM THEY HAVE A HARD TIME GETTING OUT BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO PULL OUT SO FAR TO SEE BEYOND THEY CAN'T SEE IT.

RIGHT? RIGHT.

BUT AGAIN, WE'RE TALKING FOR THE MOST PART SUMMER AND NOT THE WHOLE SUMMER, MOSTLY JUST WEEKENDS AND HOLIDAY WEEKENDS.

RIGHT.

SO, UM, THE, UH, AGAIN, IT IT'S, IT, IT'S BECOME KIND OF A SAFETY THING THAT PEOPLE THINK BECAUSE THEY'RE TRYING TO CROSS 1 44 TO GET ONTO THE BOATS.

MM-HMM .

NOW, OBVIOUSLY SCOTT MADE AN ARGUMENT, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS A VERY GOOD ARGUMENT TOO.

THERE'S ALSO A WHOLE BUNCH OF HOUSES THERE.

THEY HAVE TO CROSS THE HIGHWAY WITH THE KIDS TO GET ONTO THEIR BOAT, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY HIGHWAY 1 44 DOES FALL TO THE SHORELINE.

SO, YOU KNOW, UM, OKAY.

NOW ANOTHER WAY OF LOOKING AT THIS, OKAY? IS THIS JUST THE PEOPLE AROUND THE LAKE WHO DON'T WANT MORE PEOPLE, MORE BOATS ON THE LAKE? BECAUSE IF, IF YOU DON'T, BIG CEDAR LAKE IS QUITE BUSY, AND ESPECIALLY DURING THE HOLIDAYS, SO ARE THEY JUST ANGRY AND TRYING TO KEEP MORE PEOPLE OFF THE LAKE? UH, UM, I DON'T WANNA PUT ANY WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH, SCOTT, BUT I BELIEVE YOU ALWAYS LIKE TO KEEP, UM, ACCESS FOR PUBLIC PARKING ON COUNTY ROADS.

THAT'S BEEN KIND OF THE, THE WAY WE LIKE TO SEE IT.

WE DON'T LIKE TO NOT ALLOW ACCESS, RIGHT.

BECAUSE IT IS PUBLIC DOMAIN.

YEAH.

THAT'S BEEN, UH, NOT JUST JUSTICE, MY THOUGHTS, BUT THE, THE PREVIOUS COUNTY BOARDS AS WELL, RIGHT? WHEN WE, WE TAKE ANY NO PARKING ZONE OR SPEED LIMIT, VERY, VERY SERIOUSLY.

RIGHT? AND LOOK AT THAT, UH, WHEN IN FULL DEPTH, UH, SO THE TRAFFIC SAFETY COMMISSION, WHICH AS JOHN IS REFERRING TO, UH, MEETS QUARTERLY, UH, IT TAKES THAT INTO ACCOUNT, RIGHT? SO WE LOOK AT TRAFFIC SAFETY TO SEE IS THERE A TRAFFIC SAFETY ISSUE HERE THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED OR NOT ADDRESSED? AND SO IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS PARTICULAR AREA, YOU KNOW, WE DID THAT ANALYSIS, UH, BACK PRIOR TO 2018 MM-HMM .

UH, WE DID LOOK AT CRASHES FROM 2018 TO 2024.

WE ALSO LOOKED AT CRASHES THIS YEAR.

AND AGAIN, THERE WAS NO CRASHES IN THAT, THAT AREA.

AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE CRASHES THAT WERE DONE IN 2018 AND 2024, MOST OF THEM WERE IN THAT OCTOBER TO MARCH TIMEFRAME, RIGHT? BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN THE HILL GETS A LITTLE SLIPPERY AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.

SO, UH, SO YOU LOOK AT THAT, THAT THERE'S NOT A REALLY GOOD CRASH HISTORY THERE.

UH, PEOPLE PARKING TOO CLOSE TO THE DRIVEWAY, YOU AND YOUR ACCESS AND CONTROL POLICY AND YOUR NO PARKING IN YOUR PARKING POLICY, UH, THAT IS, UH, ENACTED.

UH, THE SHERIFF CAN GO OUT THERE IF A CAR IS PARKED TOO CLOSE TO THE DRIVEWAY THAT PEOPLE CAN GET, MAKE SURE THEY GET THEIR MAIL SERVICE, FOR INSTANCE, MAKE SURE THEY CAN GET IN AND OUT OF THEIR DRIVEWAY.

SO, UH, THERE IS A, A SET DISTANCE THAT THEY HAVE TO PARK, UH, FROM A DRIVEWAY.

YOU CAN IMAGINE EVERY DRIVEWAY ON A KONA HIGHWAY, WE DON'T PUT UP NO PARKING ZONES ON EACH SIDE OF EVERY DRIVEWAY.

UH, THAT'S ALL YOU'D SEE IS THOSE SIGNS THEN.

SO, SO THERE IS SOMETHING ON THE BOOKS, UH, TO ADDRESS THAT.

UH, LOOKING AT THAT, WE ALSO LOOKED ALONG 1 44 FOR ANY PEDESTRIAN INCIDENTS THAT MIGHT HAVE HAPPENED IN THAT SAME TIMEFRAME AND, AND ALSO DID, DID NOT FIND ANY MM-HMM .

SO, SO FROM A TRAFFIC, TRAFFIC SAFETY STANDPOINT, GOING ALSO, UH, I WAS THERE, UH, END OF JUNE.

I WAS THERE ON A, ONE OF THOSE WEEKENDS WHERE IT WAS 90 DEGREES AND HOT, AND THERE WAS ACTUALLY VEHICLES PARKED PAST, PARKED PAST PARKED PAST, PARKED PAST, UH, DIVISION ROAD ITSELF, UP THE HILL ALREADY.

SO THERE WAS THAT MANY VEHICLES THERE.

I WOULD SAY MOST OF THEM, PROBABLY 75% WERE ACTUALLY JUST SINGLE VEHICLES AND NOT HAD BOAT TRAILERS.

THERE WAS PROBABLY FOUR OR FIVE BOAT TRAILERS THERE, AND THE REST WERE ALL JUST VEHICLES THAT WERE PARKED ALONG THERE.

AND I WOULD IMAGINE, UH, UNFORTUNATELY IT WAS OUTTA TOWN ON JULY 4TH, BUT I WOULD IMAGINE ON THAT WEEKEND IT WAS JUST AS WARM AND, AND PEOPLE WERE PARKED PAST DIVISION ROAD AS WELL.

SO THERE'S NO DOUBT THAT DURING THE SUMMER THAT THIS AREA DOES GET UTILIZED A LOT FOR, FOR LOCAL PARKING ALONG THE ROADWAY.

UH, BUT FORTUNATELY SOMETIMES WHEN YOU HAVE PARKING ALONG THE ROADWAY, WHAT DOES THAT MAKE PEOPLE DO? IT KIND OF SLOWS 'EM DOWN A LITTLE BIT.

SO THINK ABOUT YOU'RE DRIVING ON A CITY STREET

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YOU MIGHT TEND TO SPEED AND GO A LITTLE FASTER IF THERE'S CARS PARKED ON BOTH SIDES AND YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT YOUTH JUMPING OUT OR JUST PEOPLE PULLING OUT OR GETTING HIT, YOU'RE A LITTLE MORE CAUTIOUS.

YOU MAY BE DRIVING A LITTLE BIT SLOWER TO MAKE SURE YOU, YOU'RE CAUTIOUS IN THOSE AREAS.

SO, UM, NOT SAYING THAT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT WHAT'S GOING ON IN THERE, BECAUSE CERTAINLY NOT EVERYBODY ABIDES BY THAT SAME, UH, LOGIC IN THEORY.

BUT, UM, THAT COULD BE ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE HAVEN'T HAD PROBLEMS IN THAT AREA.

THERE'S ALSO, WITH PEOPLE CROSSING THE STREET, IF, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE CROSSING THERE AND THAT MANY PEOPLE, UM, YOU'RE A LITTLE MORE CAUTIOUS TOO.

IF YOU SEE PEOPLE IN THE AREA HOPEFULLY SLOWING DOWN.

I'LL GIVE THE, THE TOWN OF WEST BEND CREDIT, UH, I BELIEVE IT WAS A YEAR AGO, MAYBE TWO.

UH, THEY ACTUALLY PUT UP AT, AT THEIR EXPENSIVE RADAR SIGN, UH, COMING SOUTHBOUND ON 1 44 COMING INTO THIS AREA, UH, NORTH OF K MAYBE A QUARTER MILE OR SO.

DON'T, PLEASE DON'T QUOTE ME ON THAT PAPER, UH, BUT JUST NORTH THERE COMING, COMING SOUTHBOUND TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE, UM, ARE POTENTIALLY DOING THE SPEED LIMIT IN THAT AREA.

SO, UH, SO THERE HAS BEEN SOME SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'VE WORKED WITH THE DOT.

THEY'RE LOOKING AT IMPROVING 1 44 IN SEVERAL YEARS.

SO WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM.

I KNOW THE TOWN CHAIRMAN'S BEEN ON THE, THE PHONE CALLS WITH THE STATE AS WELL TO LOOK FOR ANY IMPROVEMENTS THEY COULD POSSIBLY DO IN THAT AREA AS WELL.

UH, BECAUSE THE PEOPLE, OUR, OUR PARKING LOT COUNTY OH EIGHT K, YES.

THERE NO PARKING LOTS THERE.

I MEAN, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO OTHER EXTERNAL PARKING LOTS IN THAT AREA FOR THE PEOPLE TO PARK, RIGHT? I MEAN, NOT KNOWING THE AREA THAT WELL, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER PLACES FOR THEM TO PARK, ESPECIALLY.

IT IS LIMITED.

IT IS VERY LIMITED.

YEAH.

YES.

AND, AND AGAIN, I OBVIOUSLY, BECAUSE OF SAFETY REPORTS, WE'RE NOT SEEING ANY ACCIDENTS AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THE TOWN OF WEST BEND WANTED US TO REVIEW.

RIGHT.

UM, SO I GUESS IN DOING OUR DUE DILIGENCE, I WAS, I'D LIKE TO ASK THE COMMITTEE TO CONSIDER THAT WE HAVE THE SAFETY COMMITTEE, TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT IT, MAYBE GET ANOTHER, TAKE A LOOK, TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT THE CRASH REPORT, SEE IF ANYTHING CHANGED, AND THEN MAKE ANOTHER RECOMMENDATION AND BRING IT BACK TO HERE.

MM-HMM .

UM, AGAIN, IT IS MY DISTRICT, I'M KIND OF TORN ON IT BECAUSE I DON'T WANNA LIMIT PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, AND IF, IF THERE IS NO REAL CRASH DATA, UH, AGAIN, I, I GET IT.

THE PEOPLE ARE THINKING THAT IT'S DANGEROUS.

THEY'RE CROSSING THE HIGHWAY.

IT IS 35 MILES PER HOUR THERE RIGHT NOW.

AND WHEN IT DOES GET BUSY, PEOPLE DO SLOW DOWN.

AND I KNOW THAT BECAUSE I TRAVEL THAT QUITE FREQUENTLY.

UM, BUT, UH, SO YEAH, I GUESS SINCE IT SEEMS LIKE EVERYBODY'S INTERESTED, SCOTT, IF WE COULD RUN IT PAST THE SAFETY COMMITTEE AGAIN AND SEE WHAT THEY, IF THEY MAKE ANOTHER RECOMMENDATION, IF THAT'S CERTAINLY APPROVED, WE WOULD CERTAINLY WOULD TAKE IT TO THE SEPTEMBER TRAFFIC SAFETY COMMISSION.

WE WOULD MAKE SURE, JUST HAVE 'EM REVIEW IT AGAIN AND SEE IF THEY HAVE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS.

I MEAN, EVEN IF WE, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION JUST EVEN TO, TO PUT NO PARKING A HUNDRED FEET UP.

RIGHT.

MAYBE THAT WOULD, IF THEY'RE WORRIED ABOUT THAT INTERSECTION AND VEHICLES TURNING ON THAT INTERSECTION, WHAT IF WE JUST DO NO PARKING FOR THE FIRST A HUNDRED FEET THAT CLEARS UP THAT, THAT CORNER.

I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING.

I WAS, YOU KNOW, I LIKED EVERYTHING THAT YOU SAID WITH THE REPORT THAT THERE WERE NO ACCIDENTS, NO ONE WAS GETTING HIT.

BUT THAT WAS THE ONLY THING I WAS THINKING IS IF YOU JUST GO UP, LIKE YOU SAID, YOU KNOW, MAYBE A HUNDRED FEET FROM 1 44 AND YOU JUST HAVE, THAT WOULD BE A CONSIDERATION.

YOU JUST HAVE THAT CLEAR AND THEN THAT PROBABLY WOULDN'T BOTTLENECK TRAFFIC.

'CAUSE PEOPLE CAN JUST TURN RIGHT.

THEY DON'T SEE THOSE PARKED CARS LIKE YOU HAD MENTIONED, SCOTT, IT'S KIND OF PEOPLE'S MENTALITY WHEN THEY DON'T SEE THOSE CARS ON EITHER SIDE, THEY'RE LIKE, THEY FEEL MORE SAFE TO DRIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE FAST.

AND THAT PROBABLY WOULDN'T BOTTLENECK THINGS ON 1 44 ON THOSE BUSY DAYS.

SO YEAH.

MAYBE THAT ONE CONSIDERATION.

NOT SAYING THAT I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT AS WELL.

MM-HMM .

BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE ONE, ONE CONSIDERATION.

THERE'S A RECOMMENDATION.

THERE WAS ONE RECOMMENDATION STARTING POINT, I THINK.

YEAH.

UH, SCOTT, WHAT AGAIN? I, I DON'T REMEMBER MYSELF.

UM, I DO SEE A CARS PARKED THERE.

IT'S ALMOST SEEMS LIKE FROM THE INTERSECTION UP, BUT IS THERE, DO THEY HAVE TO STAY AWAY FROM THE CORNER SO MANY FEET BEFORE THEY'RE ALLOWED TO PARK? YES.

THAT, THAT'S ALSO IN YOUR ACCESS CONTROL POLICY.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.

UH, BUT OBVIOUSLY I STAY CERTAIN WAYS FROM THE STOP SIGN BECAUSE I CAN'T BLOCK THE STOP SIGN.

SURE.

THE TRAFFIC THAT'S HEADING DOWN TOWARDS THE LAKE.

I WAS TRYING TO FIND MY, MY PICTURES OF THAT, UH, WHEN I WAS OUT THERE TO SEE HOW CLOSE PEOPLE WERE ACTUALLY PARKED TO THE INTERSECTION.

SO MAKE AN OBSERVATION ON A HUNDRED FEET IS A LOT.

IT IS.

YOU DON'T NEED A HUNDRED FEET, MAYBE NOT, BUT, UH, THERE ALSO IS A DRIVEWAY ABOUT A HUNDRED FEET UP.

AND THAT WOULD PUSH THE TRAFFIC TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT DRIVEWAY.

YEAH, THAT'S ROUGHLY, I THINK HE'S ABOUT A, BECAUSE THERE, THAT THERE'S A HOUSE ON THE SOUTH END, WHICH IS IN, UH, GUIDELINES FOR THAT TOO.

YEAH.

SHE CAN BE TO A DRIVEWAY, SO YEP.

MM-HMM .

YEP.

YOU KNOW, BUT I DON'T THINK YOU NEED A HUNDRED FEET OFF OF IT.

THREE OR ME.

WHAT ARE

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THERE WAS, WHEN I WAS THERE ON JUNE 29TH, THERE WAS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE ROAD BETWEEN THE DRIVEWAY AND 1 44, THERE WAS NOBODY PARKED ON THAT SIDE OF THE ROAD.

ON THE SOUTH SIDE, YOU SAID? ON THE SOUTH SIDE.

OKAY.

BUT THE, ON THE NORTH SIDE, UH, IT DOES WIDEN OUT.

I KNOW IT'S A, I'LL ZOOM IN ON GOOGLE MAPS A LITTLE BIT MORE SO YOU CAN KIND OF, THERE'S A ALREADY, THERE'S CARS PARKED THERE ALREADY.

THERE'S A FANTASTIC PICTURE.

SO THAT'S ABOUT WHERE THE VEHICLES WERE PARKED AT THE, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE STOP LINE IS RIGHT HERE.

MM-HMM .

THERE WAS NOBODY PARKED HERE ON THE SOUTH SIDE ON THAT JUNE 29TH.

AND IT COULD HAVE BEEN JUST AT THAT TIME OF DAY TOO THAT I WAS THERE.

JUST UNDERSTAND THAT I WASN'T THERE ALL DAY LONG.

SURE.

MONITORING IT.

UM, I DO HAVE OTHER STUFF TO DO ON THE WEEKENDS.

NOT A LOT.

UM, BUT, UH, AS YOU CAN TELL THE PEOPLE ON THE NORTH SIDE THAT WHATEVER DAY THIS, THIS GOOGLE PICTURE WAS TAKEN, YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S A, A VEHICLE HERE, WHICH LOOKS LIKE A SMALL TRAILER, ANOTHER MM-HMM .

VEHICLE, RIGHT, RIGHT IN FRONT OF IT.

UM, I CAN CHECK.

I WAS GONNA CHECK.

THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS GONNA DO IS SEE SOME, THERE'S DIFFERENT DAYS, BUT AT THIS PARTICULAR STREET VIEW, THERE WAS ONE VEHICLE PARKED.

UM, AGAIN, NOT AGAIN, NOT REALLY CLOSE TO INTERSECTION.

'CAUSE WE HAVE THE STOP SIGN THERE, SO THEY HAVE TO STAY BACK FROM THE STOP SIGN.

THAT'S ALSO, LIKE I SAID, A REQUIREMENT, SO.

OKAY.

THEY CAN'T BE RIGHT ON TOP OF THE INTERSECTION.

NO.

DO YOU, YOU DON'T KNOW HOW MANY, IS THERE LIKE A CERTAIN DISTANCE THEY HAVE TO BE AWAY FROM THE STOP SIGN AND, OR THAT'S THERE IS, AND I'M SURE THE SHERIFF'S DEPUTY WAS HERE.

THEY COULD PROBABLY TELL YOU EXACTLY.

SURE.

I'M GONNA DISCONNECT MY COMPUTER AND LOOK IT UP.

OUR POLICY REAL QUICK.

, I KNOW THERE'S A, I KNOW THERE IS A DISTANCE, UH, SUPERVISOR SCHROER AND I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT IS SURE.

OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.

SURE.

AND WHILE HE'S LOOKING THAT UP, SUPERVISOR HARTWIG, YOU HAD A QUESTION.

SO HOW FAR IS IT TO THE FIRST, THE FIRST DRIVEWAY FROM THE INTERSECTION? I, WITHOUT MEASURING OFF OF GOOGLE EARTH, I COULDN'T TELL YOU.

IT, IT'S, SO THE, THE HOUSE TO THE SOUTH 1 130 FEET, IT'S 130 FEET TO THE FIRST DRIVEWAY.

THE CENTER.

NOW, IS THAT THE HOUSE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OR THE NORTH SIDE? SOUTH SIDE.

SOUTH SIDE.

FROM THE CENTER OF THEIR DRIVEWAY TO ABOUT THE STOP SIGNS, ABOUT 130 FEET.

130 FEET.

AND THEN, UH, I KNOW THERE'S ONE ON THE NORTH TOO, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A REAL, I GUESS IT'S GOTTA BE THEIR DRIVEWAY, RIGHT? IT'S SIGNIFICANTLY FURTHER.

OH, IT IS? OKAY.

YEAH.

AND THEN YOU GOT THE VISION ROAD, OBVIOUSLY THAT'S, THEY'RE ABOUT 325 FEET BACK.

OH, GOTCHA.

OKAY.

I THINK I SEE IT THERE.

YEP.

SO THEY PARK ON BOTH SIDES.

THEY DO IN THE SUMMER.

YES.

THERE'S PARKING ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD GOING UP AND DOWN.

SO WE COULD SEE THAT BEING DIFFICULT WITH A TRUCK OR A SEMI.

IT, IT, IT CAN BE.

YEAH.

I JUST, UM, AGAIN, I WAS JUST THROWING THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS OUT THERE AS AN OPTION.

UM, BUT LIKE I SAID, OUR COUNTY ROADS, WE DO HAVE A PRETTY WIDE SHOULDER.

IS THE PAVING LIKE FIVE OR 10 FEET WIDE ON THE SHOULDERS THERE? YEAH, IF YOU LOOK AT THE REPORT, I PUT THAT IN, UH, THE SECOND PARAGRAPH, IT'S TYPICALLY FIVE TO SEVEN FEET OF PAVEMENT AND, UH, ANYWHERE SOMETIMES HAS ZERO FOOT TO FOUR FOOT GRAVEL SHOULDER.

UM, I'M GONNA BRING UP A, A PICTURE AS WELL THAT I TOOK THAT IN JUNE TO KINDA SHOW YOU WHAT IT, WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE GOING UP THAT HILL.

I OBVIOUSLY HAVE TO WONDER HOW MUCH DATE IS ON HIS COMPUTER.

, IT'S ALL HIS SPREADSHEETS, , UH, THE STOP SIGN DISTANCE IS ACTUALLY IN THEIR COUNTY CODE.

HMM.

UM, I'M JUST NOT FINDING IN A VERY TIMELY MANNER.

I APOLOGIZE.

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SURE.

THAT WAY WE, ONCE THEY GIVE US THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT, OR WHATEVER THEY THINK.

MY, MY GUESS IS, I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA CHANGE FROM THE LAST TIME THOUGH.

OR BECAUSE OF THE SAFETY HASN'T REALLY CHANGED MUCH.

I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE GONNA CHANGE THEIR MIND AT ALL.

SO IF THAT'S THE CASE, IT WOULD JUST BE HOW DO WE FEEL ABOUT IT? RIGHT.

KIND OF DEAL.

RIGHT.

OKAY.

, DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY? ALL RIGHT.

UM, SO I GOT SOME OF THE STOPPING STUFF.

SO YOU CAN'T STOP IN A CROSSWALK WITHIN AN INTERSECTION.

UH, 15 POINT 15 FEET OF A CURB, UH, 15 FEET OF A DRIVEWAY IS ON THERE.

UH, LOADING ZONE ALLEY, 10 FEET OF A FIRE HYDRANT, UH, FOUR FEET OF A PRIVATE ROAD OR ALLEY, UH, AGAIN, 15 OF A CROSSWALK.

SO, UM, SO THERE'S DEFINITELY RESTRICTIONS ABOUT HOW FAR IT COSTS.

YOU CAN'T OBVIOUSLY BLOCK SIGNS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

SO, SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF THE RESTRICTIONS THAT ARE ON THAT.

SO IT'S A 15 FOOT, YOU SAID? I, I, I BELIEVE SO.

I AM NOT SEEING EXACTLY THE STOP SIGN MM-HMM .

UM, FROM THERE.

BUT, AND I'M, I'M SURE IT'S, AGAIN, IF A DEPUTY WAS HERE, THEY'D PROBABLY BE ABLE TO EXPLAIN IT PRETTY MUCH.

BUT OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN'T, UH, BLOCK THE STOP SIGN VIEW, SO.

OKAY.

AND THEN I GOT A, THE PICTURE THAT I TOOK ON AGAIN, UH, BACK IN JUNE, SO YOU CAN SEE THE, THE VEHICLES THAT ARE PARKED ALONGSIDE OF THE ROADWAY THAT, UH, THEY'RE ALL OUTSIDE OF THAT, THE WHITE FOG LINE.

MM-HMM .

FOR THE MOST PART.

UM, YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S A FEW VEHICLES HERE THAT DON'T HAVE TRAILERS.

AND I WILL DO MY BEST TO ZOOM UP THE HILL, UM, AND TRY TO KEEP IT IN CENTERED.

UH, IT ALL SEEM TO STAND, SORRY.

SO YOU CAN SEE THAT DIVISION ROAD IS IN THIS LOCATION HERE, SO MM-HMM .

YEAH.

AGAIN, YOU KNOW, MY THOUGHT GUYS WAS, I DON'T THINK AS FAR AS OUR, OUR ROAD GOES, I DON'T THINK IT'S A PROBLEM NOT HAVING ENOUGH PARKING SPOT, YOU KNOW, WIDE ENOUGH MM-HMM .

PLACE TO PARK MM-HMM .

THAT ROAD HAS BEEN UP TO STANDARDS.

IN FACT, WHEN DID YOU REDO THAT? A FIVE YEARS AGO OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, OR SIX YEARS AGO WHEN THAT WAS REDONE AND THEY PAVED THEM WITH WIDER SHOULDERS AND ALL THAT.

THAT WAS DONE.

THE SHOULDERS PAVE THE SHOULDERS WERE PA ACTUALLY WE REP PAVED IT, BUT THE SHOULDERS WERE ACTUALLY THAT WIDE BEFORE THAT.

ALREADY BEFORE, YEAH.

CORRECT.

RIGHT.

WE DID.

OH, THAT'S THIS YEAR.

YEAH.

WE PUT A CHIPS SEAL ON IT.

YES.

WITHIN TWO YEARS MM-HMM .

YEAH.

AND THIS YEAR WE DIDN'T OUT GRANTED, BUT I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SEEING THERE IS AN EXAMPLE OF, UH, WELL, ONE OF THE EXAMPLES OF WHAT THE PEOPLE, THE LOCALS ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT AND, RIGHT.

I KNOW, KEN, YOU LIVE NEXT TO THE MOST POPULAR LAKE IN WASHINGTON, , AND YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE PARKING.

IT'S LIKE LIVING BY THE AIRPORT.

I DON'T KNOW HOW PEOPLE LIKE THAT.

I DON'T EITHER.

THAT'S NO, I'M, I'M NOT FOR IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM RESTRICTING PARKING PEOPLE THAT WANT TO JUST PARK THEIR BOAT TRAILER 'CAUSE THEY WANNA PUT THEIR BOAT IN THE LAKE MM-HMM .

AND THEY'RE DOING IT RESPONSIBLY, AS YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE.

I DON'T NEED TO MAKE THEIR LIFE ANY HARDER.

THAT'S SURE.

THAT'S THE ANTITHESIS OF, OF WHAT WE'RE ALL SUPPOSED TO STAND FOR HERE.

SURE.

SO I'M, I'M NOT FOR ANY OF THAT.

NO, I MEAN, I MEAN, NO, HERE, I'M A FIRM.

NO, I DON'T NEED TO SEE A REPORT FROM SCOTT , THE REST OF YOU GUYS.

I MEAN, MY, AGAIN, MY THOUGHT IS JUST TO RUN IT PAST THE SAFETY COMMITTEE, LET THEM LOOK AT IT, GIVE THEIR RECOMMENDATION BACK.

IF AGAIN, I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA CHANGE BY LEAST THAT WAY I CAN SAY WE DID OUR DUE DILIGENCE, YOU KNOW, AND, YOU KNOW, I WOULD SAY IT'S NOT GONNA HURT ANYTHING TO RUN IT PAST THE SAFETY COMMITTEE.

SURE.

YOU KNOW, MIGHT NOT CHANGE OUR MINDS.

YOU'RE STILL GONNA BE A NO, BUT AT LEAST WE RAN IT PAST THEM AND RIGHT.