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IS SHE GONNA BE UP ON THE SCREEN OR SHE'S NOT LOGGED IN QUITE YET, BUT WE CAN START AND THEN I CAN MAKE SURE SHE'S ALL RIGHT.
I'LL, UH, CALL THE, UH, PUBLIC HEARING TO ORDER.
UH, PLEASE RISE FOR ITS PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE.
PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG, THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH SPANS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE ARE ALL OKAY.
UM, FIRST THING, THE CONSENT AGENDA.
ANY CHANGES OR NOTES ON THAT? WE'RE ALL GOOD.
UH, NEXT WE GO TO THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I'LL ASK THE CLERK TO READ THE NOTICE OF PUBLIC HEARING.
THIS WAS PUBLISHED IN THE WEST BEND DAILY NEWS ON TUESDAY, JUNE 10TH, 2025.
NOTICES HEREBY GIVEN THAT A PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD AT A MEETING OF THE WASHINGTON COUNTY LAND USE AND PLANNING COMMITTEE ON THURSDAY, JULY 17TH, 2025 AT 4:30 PM IN ROOM 1 0 1 9 OF THE WASHINGTON COUNTY GOVERNMENT CENTER, 4 32 EAST WASHINGTON STREET, WEST BEND, WISCONSIN, 5 3 0 9 5, AT WHICH TIME THERE WILL BE HEARD AND CONSIDERED THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AMENDMENT 20 25 5 DASH TWO TO CONSIDER A PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THE LAND USE PLAN MAP OF A MULTI-JURISDICTIONAL COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR WASHINGTON COUNTY 2050.
AND THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE AND RESOLUTION WILL BE DISCUSSED.
AND THIS WAS DATED THE FIFTH DAY OF JUNE, 2025.
THIS, UH, PUBLIC HEARING WAS PROPERLY NOTICED BY THE CLERK'S OFFICE.
I NOW CALL THIS PUBLIC HEARING TO ORDER AND ASK ANY SPEAKERS TO COME FORWARD AND BE RECOGNIZED.
DON'T ALL RUSH AT ONCE,
LAST CALL ANY PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS TOPIC, PLEASE COME FORWARD AND BE RECOGNIZED.
SEEING IS ALL PRESENT HAVE BEEN HEARD.
I NOW CALL THIS MEETING TO CLOSE, AND I WILL ASK FOR A MOTION AND A SECOND FROM THE COMMITTEE.
MOTION BY SUPERVISOR PRIDE MOORE.
SECOND BY SUPERVISOR BRIAN KREBS AND WHO WILL BE SPEAKING TODAY, I'LL PLEASE COME UP OKAY.
TO GO TALKING ABOUT THE RESOLUTION? YEAH.
SO WE GO STRAIGHT INTO THE RESOLUTION FROM THE RESULTS OF THE PUBLIC HEARING.
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OKAY.SO, UH, THIS ITEM, THIS AMENDMENT, UH, IS FOR THE LANE USE PLAN FOR THE WASHINGTON COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UH, THE INTENTION IS TO UPDATE, UH, A, A PARCEL IN THE TOWN OF TRENTON.
UH, UPDATE THE LAND USE CATEGORY FROM MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL TO, UH, SUBURBAN DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.
UH, BASICALLY WE HAVE TWO CSMS COMING IN THAT WILL HAVE TO BE REVIEWED AND APPROVED AFTER THIS.
UH, AND IN ORDER TO APPROVE THOSE, THEY HAVE TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UM, SO THAT'S KIND OF WHY WE'RE DOING THE AMENDMENT HERE RIGHT NOW, BEFORE THE NEXT, UH, STEP.
UM, AND IN ADDITION, THEY WERE ALSO GOING TO REQUEST THE ISOLATED NATURAL RESOURCES AREAS BE CHANGED TO SUBURBAN DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.
UH, BUT I'LL EXPLAIN IN A, IN A LITTLE BIT WHY WE'RE NOT, WE'RE ONLY RECOMMENDING A PORTION, UH, THE MEDIUM DENSITY CHANGE.
UH, SO AS A PART OF THIS PROCESS, WE HAVE SEWER PACK REVIEW, UH, THIS AMENDMENT, AND THEY SUBMITTED A, UM, THEIR REPORT BACK TO US BASICALLY SAYING THAT, UH, CHANGING THE MEDIUM DENSITY TO SUBURBAN DENSITY RESIDENTIAL IS GOOD TO GO.
IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE REGIONAL LAND USE PLAN.
UH, BUT THEN CHANGING THE ISOLATED NATURAL RESOURCE AREAS TO SUBURBAN DENSITY RESIDENTIAL IS NOT CONSISTENT, NOR IS IT CONSISTENT WITH OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UH, BECAUSE WITHIN IT WE HAVE, UH, I HAVE STATED THAT WE WILL PROTECT, UM, ISOLATED NATURAL RESOURCE AREAS AND PRIMARY ENVIRONMENTAL CORRIDORS.
UH, ALTHOUGH THAT IS THE CASE, THERE IS SOME DEVELOPMENT THAT IS ALLOWED WITHIN ISOLATED NATURAL RESOURCE AREAS.
SO THERE'S STILL ECONOMIC VIABLE USE, UH, FOR THE SALE OF THE PARCEL.
UH, IT STILL ALLOWS FOR, UH, FIVE ACRE SINGLE FAMILY, UH, RESIDENTIAL TO BE BUILT ON THE PARCEL.
SO, UM, FURTHERMORE, UM, THIS WAS PROPERLY DISTRIBUTED TO ALL THE NECESSARY ENTITIES THAT NEEDS TO GO OUT TO, UH, WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY COMMENTS FROM, UH, ANY OF THOSE ENTITIES NOR ANY, UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS.
SO, UM, WITH THAT, UM, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS AMENDMENT? SUPERVISOR KREBS.
UM, WHERE DOES OUR APPROVAL FALL IN THE PROCESS WITH THE TOWN OF TRENTON'S? YES.
SO THE WAY OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WORKS, UM, THE LAND USE PLAN WITHIN IT IS A PATCHWORK.
UH, SO THE TOWN OF UPDATES, THEIR FUTURE LAND USE, OR THEIR, SORRY, I USE FUTURE LAND USE AND LAND USE PLAN INTERCHANGEABLY.
UH, BUT THEY UPDATE THEIR LAND USE PLAN, AND THEN WE GO AHEAD AND, UH, CONFORM TO OOP, CONFORM TO THAT UPDATE AS WELL.
SO, UM, BECAUSE IT, IT'S A PATCHWORK, SO, YEP.
SO HAVE THEY UPDATED THEIRS ALREADY THEN? THEY HAVE ALREADY UPDATED THEIR, THEIR, UM, LAND USE PLAN.
SO IT'S ALREADY PASSED AT THE TOWN OF TREND.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, PAM? YES.
YEAH, I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM THAT, UM, WHEN THIS WENT THROUGH THE TODA TRENTON, THAT THERE WEREN'T ANY CONCERNS VOICED BY, UM, THE, THE PUBLIC OR CITIZENS? I WOULD NOT EXACTLY KNOW.
I MEAN, I, I DID NOT FOLLOW UP WITH THEM ON THAT PROCESS, BUT THEY DID PASS IT.
UM, WHETHER THERE'S CONCERNS, UH, I'M NOT TOO SURE.
UM, SO, BUT THIS IS ONLY RELATED TO THE COUNTY, UH, PORTION OF THE AMENDMENT, SO, YEAH.
AND THERE'S, UM, NO ONE HERE FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING TO, OKAY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE COMMITTEE? SO WE JUST MOVE ON TO THE NEXT PART? IS THAT THE SAME OR, I THINK YOU NEED TO APPROVE THE AMENDMENT.
SO, UM, I GUESS THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT NOW IS THAT WE WILL BE VOTING TO APPROVE THE AMENDMENT.
SO IT IS A RECOMMENDATION TO THE WASHINGTON COUNTY BOARD.
SO IT'S A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL FOR THE RESOLUTION, AND THEN THE ORDINANCE AFTER THAT.
IF, SO, I'M, I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED HOW THEY HAVE THIS, BUT, UH, I SEE THAT IN THE WAY THEY HAVE IT LISTED IN TWO SECTIONS, WHICH IS FINE, BUT I THINK IT'S PRETTY MUCH THE SAME THING.
UM, SO, UH, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT.
SO, DEB, COME UP HERE AND PLEASE SET ME STRAIGHT SO WE GET THIS RIGHT,
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UM, SO HOW THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WORKS IS THAT ORDINANCES HAVE TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.SO, UM, WHEN YOU'RE CHANGING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, THE RESOLUTION MUST BE ADOPTED FIRST.
APPROVED FIRST, AND THEN THE ORDINANCE IS A SEPARATE AGENDA ITEM, AND THEN THAT IS APPROVED.
AND ONCE THOSE ARE APPROVED, THEN YOU ACTUALLY TAKE ACTION ON THE, UM, LAND DIVISION ITSELF, THE REASON FOR THE AMENDMENT.
THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT.
OKAY, SO ON, UH, THE, UH, PART THREE OR, UH, NUMBER THREE, PART A, UH, LAND USE PLAN AMENDMENT 25 DASH TWO OF A MULTI-JURISDICTIONAL COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR WASHINGTON COUNTY 2050.
WELL THEN WE MOVE ON TO, UH, 2025 RESOLUTION ADOPTION OF AMENDMENT 25, 20, 25 0.2 OF A MULTI-JURISDICTIONAL COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR WASHINGTON COUNTY 2050 LAND USE PLAN, MAP AMENDMENT.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND? MOTION BY SUPERVISOR MARY, SECOND BY SUPERVISOR KREBS.
SO, UM, TO START OFF, THIS IS A NOT A USUAL LAND DIVISION THAT WE SEE.
TYPICALLY, WE DON'T SEE CERTIFIED SURVEY MAPS, UH, BUT BECAUSE IT'S WITHIN THE SHORELAND DISTRICT, IT HITS OUR DEFINITION OF A LAND DIVISION.
UM, AND BEFORE I GO INTO THE LAND DIVISION, A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND.
SO, UH, THIS REQUEST IS A LITTLE BIT AFTER THE FACT.
UM, SO WHAT HAD HAPPENED, UH, THE DEVELOPER HAD, UM, WORKED WITH THE TOWN AND THE CITY, UH, AND THEN THEY HAD COMMUNICATED WITH US TO KIND OF GET FEEDBACK, AND ULTIMATELY WE DETERMINED, YOU KNOW, HEY, UM, LET US KNOW WHEN YOU HAVE A FINAL PLAN IN PLACE AND THEN GET BACK TO US AND THEN WE'LL, WE'LL LET YOU KNOW IF THIS HITS OUR, UH, LAND DIVISION ORDINANCE.
UNFORTUNATELY, THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
UM, THEY WENT THROUGH THE TOWN, IT GOT APPROVED, IT WENT TO THE CITY, IT GOT APPROVED, AND BECAUSE IT'S CSMS, UH, IT WENT TO THE REGISTER OF DEEDS AND IT GOT RECORDED.
UM, AND THEN THAT'S WHEN WE FOUND OUT, HEY, WE SHOULD HAVE REVIEWED THIS BECAUSE WE HAVE, UH, REVIEWING AUTHORITY ON THIS, OR APPROVING AUTHORITY.
UM, SO WORKED WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY.
UH, WE REACHED OUT TO THE DEVELOPER, SAID, HEY, UH, WE NEED YOU TO PAUSE ALL ACTIVITIES ON THE PARCELS THAT WE SHOULD HAVE REVIEWED AND APPROVED.
UM, AND, AND THEN, UM, WE REACHED OUT TO THEM, AND THEY'VE BEEN WORKING WITH US EVER SINCE.
THEY PAUSED ALL ACTIVITIES, AND IT'S BEEN, IT'S BEEN A VERY FLUID, UH, PARTNERSHIP.
SO, UH, I JUST WANT TO KIND OF END WITH THAT.
YOU KNOW, IT IS AFTER THE FACT, BUT THEY HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH US ALONG THE, UH, ALONG THE WAY, THE ENTIRE WAY, UH, TO GET THIS REVIEWED PROPERLY AND APPROVED.
SO, UM, WITH THAT, IT'S TWO CSMS. OUR REVIEWING AUTHORITY IS TECHNICALLY ONLY FOR FOUR OF THE PARCELS ON THE NORTHERN SIDE OF THE LOT, OR, UH, OF THE PARCEL.
UM, IT IS THE FOUR THAT, UM, HIT THAT SHORELAND ZONE.
UH, EVEN THAT ONE THAT JUST HAS A LITTLE NICK IN IT TECHNICALLY HITS OUR ORDINANCE, AND THEN THEREFORE WE HAVE TO ACTUALLY FORMALLY APPROVE IT, UH, FOR IT TO BE LEGAL.
UM, THE, SO THE REMAINING LOTS, WE TOLD THEM, BASICALLY, YOU CAN GO AHEAD.
UM, ANYTHING THAT'S OUTSIDE OF THE SHORELINE DISTRICT, YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND SELL, UH, BUILD ON.
IT'S OUTSIDE OF OUR AUTHORITIES, THEREFORE, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE REVIEWING OR APPROVING THOSE.
UM, THE FOUR LOTS THAT WE ARE REVIEWING, UH, THEY AVERAGE FROM ONE AND A HALF ACRES TO ABOUT TWO ACRES IN SIZE.
UM, THE SOIL TESTS WERE REVIEWED BY THE LAND RESOURCES DIVISION AND OR THE LAND USE INSPECTORS.
UH, THEY SAID THEY WERE ALL GOOD FOR PRIVATE ONSITE, UM, SEWER OR SEPTIC SYSTEMS, UH, AND THEY'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE LAND RESOURCES DIVISION TO GET THEIR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PERMIT, UH, APPROVED SLASH IT COULD ALSO BE WAIVED.
UM, BUT THAT'S A PROCESS THEY'RE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW.
SO, UM, WITH THAT, LET ME MAKE SURE THERE ISN'T ANYTHING ELSE.
SO THE CONDITIONS WE'RE RECOMMENDING FOR THE APPROVAL OF THIS IS THAT ONE, UM, FOR ANY TYPE OF BUILDING ACTIVITIES THAT OCCUR ON THESE PARCELS THAT ARE WITHIN THE SHORELAND DISTRICT, THEY GET THE PROPER, UH, SHORELAND PERMITS, UH, TO PROPERLY BUILD ON THOSE SITES.
UH, THEY, THEY GET THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PERMIT SLASH WAIVER, UH, IF NEEDED.
AND THEN, UM, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ACTUALLY NEEDS TO BE, UH, AMENDMENT NEEDS TO BE FORMALLY ADOPTED, UH, BY THE COUNTY BOARD, SO BEFORE THEY CAN ACTUALLY GO AHEAD AND SELL THESE
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SITES.SO THOSE ARE THE THREE CONDITIONS WE'VE, WE'VE PUT INTO THE, UH, RECOMMENDATION SECTION AT THE END.
SO WITH THAT, ANY QUESTIONS? QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMITTEE? UM, I DO HAVE A QUESTION.
UH, BASICALLY, I GUESS, HOW DID THIS HAPPEN? UH, WAS THERE A YEAH.
PROBLEM WITH SOMETHING IN OUR SYSTEM, OR NO? UM, SO TYPICALLY WE DON'T SEE CSMS, UM, VERY RARELY.
SO YOU, WE GO THINK OF IT AS A, YEAH, IF, IF I'M EVER USING ACRONYMS, CALL IT OUT.
UM, YOU CAN THINK OF IT AS A MINOR LAND DIVISION.
UM, IT'S NOT, UH, TO THE LEVEL OF A PRELIMINARY PLAT, WHICH IS KIND OF LIKE FIVE 10 OR MORE, UH, PARCELS.
UM, AND IT'S JUST A SMALLER, UM, LAND DIVISION.
UM, SO WE DON'T TYPICALLY SEE CSMS, AND THEREFORE, UM, THEY HAD REACHED OUT, WE HAD COMMUNICATED WITH THEM SAYING, WHEN YOU DO HAVE A FINAL DECISION, YOU KNOW, LET US KNOW.
UM, AND THAT JUST NEVER HAPPENED.
SO THERE WAS, IT WAS A PART ON THEM.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND WE, I DON'T KNOW IF WE SHOULD HAVE PROPERLY FOLLOWED UP, BUT, UM, ULTIMATELY IT WAS, UM, AFTER THE, YEAH, AFTER THE FACT WHEN WE FOUND OUT ABOUT IT.
SO IT WASN'T REALLY ANYTHING TO DO WITH US, IT'S JUST, IT WAS A UNIQUE LAND DIVISION.
I'M, I'M ALL ABOUT CUSTOMER SERVICE, UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND WORKING TOGETHER, BUT WITH THAT, WE'RE ALSO BEHOLDEN TO THE LAWS.
UH, SO, AND I, AND I HATE SEEING THINGS PUT BEFORE MY COMMITTEE IN A FASHION THAT, YOU KNOW, AFTER THE FACT AND THAT KIND OF THING, HINKY STUFF MAKES THE PUBLIC GO WILD.
YOU KNOW, WITH ACCUSATIONS, BACKROOM DEALS, THAT SORT OF THING.
SO, UM, THAT'S WHY I AM SO DILIGENT ON THIS STUFF.
IT'S NOT THAT I DON'T BELIEVE IN, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE MAKE MISTAKES AND FORGIVENESS AND ALL THAT I DO.
BUT UNDERSTAND THAT AS A PUBLIC FIGURE AND SERVING ON THIS COMMITTEE FOR ALL OF US, WE ARE BEHOLDEN TO THE PUBLIC.
UH, WHEN SOMETHING LIKE THIS OCCURS, UH, IT, IT MUST BE MADE KNOWN THAT MM-HMM
YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A GOOD IDEA TO HAVE THIS OCCUR.
SO, UM, AND THAT'S NO REFLECTION ON YOU.
I'M JUST, I'M MERELY JUST POINTING OUT THE, THE FACTS AROUND THIS TYPE OF THING FOR HOPEFULLY THE GENERAL PUBLIC SO THEY HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS IS NOT USUAL.
WITH THAT, ANY MORE QUESTIONS? DEB, YOU GOT SOMETHING TO PUT IN ON IT? PLEASE? DO I DO
UM, I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE TAKEN, UM, ACTION ON FOUR A, UM, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THAT YOU'VE TAKEN ACTION ON FOUR B.
UM, ACTION ON FOUR B NEEDS TO HAPPEN PRIOR TO APPROVAL OF THE ACTUAL LAND DIVISION.
UH, FOUR B HAS TO HAPPEN BEFORE FOUR A.
FOUR B NEEDS TO, UM, HAPPEN BEFORE FOUR C.
WELL, WE HAVEN'T EVEN ACTUALLY VOTED ON FOUR A THEN FOUR A, FOUR B, AND THEN FOUR C.
NO, WE, WE VOTED ON THREE A AND WE NEED TO VOTE ON FOUR A NOW AND THEN MOVE ON TO FOUR B.
SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW.
UH, SO LET'S TO CLARIFY, UH, POSSIBLE ACTION.
SO NUMBER FOUR, A 2025 RESOLUTION ADOPTION OF AMENDMENT 25, UH, 2020 5.2 OF A MULTI-JURISDICTIONAL COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR WASHINGTON COUNTY, 2050 COUNTY LAND USE PLAN, MAP AMENDMENT.
ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
OPPOSED WILL CONSIDER THAT PASSED, UH, BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.
UM, NOW MOVING ON TO, UH, FOUR B 2025, ORDINANCE AMENDMENT 2020 5.2, LAND DIVISION COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, 1 79 DASH NINE.
SO HOW, LET ME ASK YOU THIS,
HOW DOES THIS ALL RELATE? SO WITHIN THE STATE STATUTE COMPREHENSIVE PLANS, UM, THERE'S CERTAIN CONSISTENCY REQUIREMENTS WITHIN COMPREHENSIVE PLANS.
AND IN ORDER FOR US TO TAKE ACTION ON THE LAND DIVISION,
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UH, THE ACT, THE DECISION NEEDS TO BE CONSISTENT WITH OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.SO WE NEED TO AMEND OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO SHOW THE RESIDENTIAL DENSITIES THAT THIS, UM, LAND DIVISION IS SHOWING, UM, WHICH IS THAT ONE AND A HALF TO TWO ACRES IN SIZE.
UM, WE HAVE TO AMEND OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FIRST TO SHOW A LAND USE THAT ALLOWS THAT DENSITY AND THAT RESIDENTIAL USE.
BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S ALLOWING A MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL USE, WHICH IS KIND OF LIKE 10,000 SQUARE FEET TO I THINK ABOUT HALF AN ACRE.
SO IF, IF IT ISN'T AMENDED BEFORE THE LAND DIVISION, UM, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE DENIED BECAUSE IT WOULDN'T BE CONSISTENT WITH OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO DID THAT ALL MAKE SENSE? THERE WAS KIND OF A LOT OF RED LINES CROSSING, SO, YEAH.
SO WE WENT ROUNDABOUT AND WE GOT BACK TO WHERE WE NEEDED TO GET.
UM, AND EVERYBODY ON THE COMMITTEE HERE UNDERSTANDS WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE.
IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS AS FAR AS THE UNDERSTANDING OF THIS BEFORE I ACTUALLY, UH, CALL FOR THE MOTIONS, DO WE HAVE A FIRST AND A SECOND? I WAS GOING TO DO THAT, BUT FIRST I WANNA MAKE SURE YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS THAT YOU'RE VOTING ON
UM, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE WE HAVE A GENERAL CONSENSUS OF UNDERSTANDING.
SO NOW I WILL ASK FOR A, UH, MOTION AND A SECOND IN REGARDS TO THIS PLAN MOTION.
AND SECONDED BY SUPERVISOR PRIDE MOORE.
QUESTIONS? ANYBODY GOT
LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE THAT COVERED.
UM, SO NOW WE GOT C, UM, LAND DIVISION CERTIFIED MAP, UH, 73 99 LOTS, 2, 3 4, AND CERTIFIED MAP 73 98 LOT ONE.
THAT'S ALL PART OF THIS, I TAKE IT.
AND THAT'S THE ACTUAL MAP THAT WE'VE JUST APPROVED? YES.
THE, UM, THIS, THERE'S TWO CSMS. IT'S CSM 73 98, AND THEN 73 99.
AND IT'S THE SPECIFIC LOTS WITHIN IT.
UM, IT SHOULD ALL BE IN THE RECOMMENDED, UM, MOTION ON THE REPORT.
SO THIS, UH, REQUIRES A SECOND OR A SEPARATE MOTION ON THIS.
SO NOW I'LL CALL FOR A MOTION ON PART C SUPERVISOR.
ANY QUESTIONS?
SO THIS WAS RECORDED AT, WITH THE COUNTY REGISTER OF DEEDS MM-HMM
WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF WE DON'T APPROVE IT TODAY? I'M NOT SAYING WE WON'T, BUT YEAH.
IS THIS, WOULD, WOULD THE COUNTY ATTORNEY HAVE, WOULD GO BACK AND TRY TO APPEAL THIS? YES.
WE WOULD HAVE TO REVERT IT BACK TO ITS ORIGINAL PARCEL, WHICH IS, UM, THE TAX ID NUMBER.
BASICALLY ALONG THE WAY, THE OTHER APPROVING AUTHORITIES, CITY OF WEST BEND, TOWN OF TRENTON, THEY, IT JUST SLIPPED THROUGH THE CRACKS OF EVERYONE ELSE.
AND, AND THEY EVEN, UH, AMENDED THE CSMS TO INCLUDE THE COUNTY SIGNATURE.
SO THERE WILL BE A SIGNATURE BLOCK FOR THE COUNTY AS WELL TOO.
SO, AF IF OUR APPROVAL IS GRANTED AFTERWARDS, IT'LL BE RERECORDED? IT WON'T BE RERECORD.
WELL, YES, THE, THE UPDATE, THE AFFIDAVIT FOR THE UPDATES, UM, BUT THIS WILL BE CONTINGENT STILL ON ALL THE, THOSE THREE OTHER ITEMS, UH, STILL BEING APPROVED.
SO THEY WILL HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL AUGUST, ABOUT AUGUST 14TH FOR THE COUNTY BOARD.
SO AFTER THAT COUNTY SUCCESSFUL COUNTY BOARD MEETING, AT LEAST THESE LOTS THEN WOULD BE THEIR TITLE BEFORE MIGHT BE CLOUDED IN THE FUTURE? YES.
SUPERVISOR MARY, DURING ALL THIS TIME, IS NOTHING PROCEEDING WITH THIS PROJECT? YES.
I MEAN, FROM WHAT WE CAN TELL, THEY'VE STOPPED THE SALE OF ANY, OF, ANY OF THE PARCELS, UH, ON THE SITE AND OR ON THE FOUR PARCELS, UM, FROM WHAT WE COULD TELL, THEY HAVEN'T SOLD THE PARCELS.
SO, UM, FOR THE, FOR OUR, YEAH.
AS SOON AS, AS SOON AS WE FOUND OUT ABOUT THE LAND DIVISION AND THAT IT HAD BEEN RECORDED, UM, AS SOON AS WE FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS, UM, WE CONSULTED THE COUNTY ATTORNEY AND THEN LET, UM, THE LANDOWNERS KNOW, UM, TO CEASE THE PROCESS, UM, ON ANY TYPE OF SALE, UM, MARKETING
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OR SALE OF THOSE PARCELS, OF WHICH THE SALE OF THE SITE WOULD NEED TO EVENTUALLY NEED TO GO TO THE REGISTER OF DEEDS ANYWAY FOR, UM, FOR RECORDING ANYWAY.SO, UH, AT THAT POINT, THE REGISTER OF DEEDS WOULD'VE, SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT IT UP TO US.
SO, BECAUSE WE NOTIFIED THEM AS WELL.
SO THIS DEVELOPER MADE QUITE A MISS IT.
BUT WE'RE TRYING TO CORRECT IT, SO, YEP.
UM, ANY MORE QUESTIONS AS TWO PART C? ALL RIGHT.
HEARING NONNA WILL CALL FOR A VOTE.
ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
AND NOW, PART D 2025 RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE NATIONAL RESOURCES AND GEOGRAPHIC INFORMATION SYSTEMS DEPARTMENT TO UPDATE THE SHORELAND ZONING MAPS ADMINISTRATION.
UM, THIS IS NOT RELATED TO THAT.
UM, THIS IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT.
WHO'S SPEAKING ON THIS ONE? DEB, OR I AM.
SO, UM, 2025 RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE NATIONAL RESOURCES AND GEOGRAPHIC INFORMATION SYSTEMS DEPARTMENT TO UPDATE THE SHORELAND ZONING MAPS ADMINISTRATIVELY IN SITUATIONS WHERE THE WASHINGTON COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVAL IS ONLY TO CONFIRM THE ACTION TAKEN BY ANOTHER BODY OR AGENCY.
UH, WE CALL FOR A MOTION ON THAT, I BELIEVE, BECAUSE IT WE'RE TAKING AN ACTION, CORRECT? YES.
SO I'LL TAKE A MOTION, UH, SUPERVISOR KREBS AND A SECOND, UH, WE'LL TAKE SUPERVISOR MARY.
JAMIE LUDOVIC, CHIEF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT OFFICER.
UM, THE RESOLUTION BEFORE YOU ACTUALLY WAS, UH, THE IDEA OF THE COUNTY ATTORNEY AND OUR LAND USE MANAGER ALONG WITH OUR LAND INFORMATION OFFICER.
SO WHAT WE WERE ENCOUNTERING, AND WE HAD A COUPLE OCCURRENCES WHERE CONSTITUENTS WERE ACTUALLY USING BETTER DATA AND MAP INFORMATION THAT THEY HAD RECEIVED FROM EITHER, FOR EXAMPLE, THE DNR FOR WETLANDS, WHEREAS OUR MAPS STILL SHOWED THAT THEY WOULD BE IN THE WETLANDS.
AND THEY'RE NOW SAYING THAT THE DNRS MAPS SHOW THAT THEY'RE OUT.
SO THERE'S A CONSISTENCY ISSUE WITH THE TIMELINESS OF WHEN OTHER JURISDICTIONS REMOVE THEMSELVES AND OUR MAPS.
AND SO BECAUSE OF, BECAUSE IT'S A REGULATORY FUNCTION AND THE COUNTY BOARD HAS ADOPTED OUR MAPS AS THE OFFICIAL ITEMS THAT REQUIRE REGULATION, UM, THE COUNTY ATTORNEY WAS RECOMMENDING THAT WE PASS THIS RESOLUTION THAT JUST CLARIFIES THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO AMEND THE MAPS, UM, EVEN THOUGH THOSE OTHER JURISDICTIONS USUALLY GOVERN.
SO ANNEXATIONS ARE THE OTHER EXAMPLE OF THIS, THAT WERE HAPPENING IN REAL TIME, WHERE ONCE PROPERTY IS ANNEXED, THEN THEY ARE REMOVED FROM OUR REGULATORY SHORELAND ZONING BECAUSE THEY BECOME THE, USUALLY THE REGULATORY AUTHORITY OF THE CITY OF HARTFORD OR THE CITY OF WEST BEND.
AND SO THAT'S UNDER LAW WHO GOVERNS OUR MAPS, WERE JUST BEHIND BECAUSE WE WEREN'T UPDATING THEM REGULARLY.
SO THIS RESOLUTION PROPOSES THAT WE JUST MAKE THE CHANGES AS THEY OCCUR WITH THE DATA LAYERS, AND THEN REPORT THOSE CHANGES BACK TO THE COMMITTEE AND COUNTY BOARD AT LEAST ANNUALLY, UM, TO BE QUICKER ABOUT HAVING UPDATED REGULATORY MAPS.
SO I CAN TRY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE THEM IF YOU HAVE THEM.
THE REPORT WAS FAIRLY THOROUGH.
ALRIGHT, ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMITTEE? IT'S BASICALLY A PROCEDURAL MATTER IS WHAT WE'RE SAYING, RIGHT? YES.
WE AREN'T, YOU KNOW, ADDING THINGS TO THE INVENTORY OR REMOVING THEM WHERE YOU COULD HAVE AN OPTION.
IT IS STRICTLY TO KEEP THEM ACCURATE FOR THE CONSTITUENTS.
SO THIS WOULD BE, UM, OH, UH, EXCUSE ME.
UH, SUPERVISOR CONRAD, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
AND ESSENTIALLY THIS WOULD KIND OF LEAN THE PROCESS BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING THAT WE COULD CHANGE THAT THE STATE HAS DE YOU KNOW, CHANGED OR UPDATED.
SO THEN, UH, SUPERVISOR KREBS, SO IT'S WORDED FOR SHORELAND ZONING MAPS, BUT YOU TALKED ABOUT ANNEXATION MAPS.
IS THAT SITUATIONS WHERE ANNEXATION HAS OCCURRED WITHIN SHORELAND ZONING
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DISTRICTS? EXACTLY.SO THEY'RE ANNEXING PROPERTY THAT'S IN OUR SHORELAND ZONE.
SO THEN WE REMOVE IT FROM OUR MAP BECAUSE IT'S NO LONGER OUR REGULATORY AUTHORITY.
AND THIS WOULD BE ANY MAPS THAT ARE UPDATED, WHETHER FEDERALLY OR AT THE STATE LEVEL? YES, IT REFERS TO, IT DOES HAPPEN ON OCCURRENCE.
THEY WERE, THEY WERE TRYING TO BE COMPREHENSIVE AND CONSISTENT WITH HOW THEY'RE HANDLING THESE.
IT DOES NOT HAPPEN FREQUENTLY WHERE THE STATE CHANGES THE NAVIGABILITY OF A STREAM OR A POND.
USUALLY THAT'S DONE AFTER A PRIVATE HOMEOWNER PAYS FOR A MORE DETAILED STUDY OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE.
UM, AND THEN WE WOULD BE ESSENTIALLY AMENDING OUR, IN THIS CASE, IT'S USUALLY GETTING LESS RESTRICTIVE FOLLOWING THE DATA THAT THEY HAVE, UM, ON THEIR WETLAND OR THEIR STREAM.
WOULD THERE BE, DOES SEWER PACK ISSUE ANY MAPS RELATED TO THIS THAT WE WOULD'VE WOULD BE ADMINISTRATIVELY ADOPTED? NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF.
'CAUSE I DIDN'T SEE THEM LISTED IN THE RESOLUTION, SO I WASN'T SURE WHAT PIECE OF THE PUZZLE THEY, THEY ARE OF SPECIFICALLY SHORELAND ZONING.
UM, SO BASICALLY THIS IS JUST TO MAKE US MORE EFFICIENT AND BRING US IN LINE WITHOUT, WHAT WAS THE NORMAL PROCESS BEFORE? DID THEY HAVE TO BRING THIS TO THE WHOLE COUNTY BOARD OR, I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT HAD BEEN DONE PREVIOUSLY? I BELIEVE THAT ERIC DAM KOTT WOULD TAKE RESOLUTIONS OR ORDINANCES AMENDING THE SHORELAND ZONING MAPS.
BUT BECAUSE, BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MATTER IF OUR MAP IS AMENDED OR NOT, THE OTHER JURISDICTIONS MAP GOVERNS.
SO SOMETIMES WE WOULD DO IT, AND SOMETIMES, DEPENDING ON THE CIRCUMSTANCE, IF WE WEREN'T VERY INVOLVED, WE WOULD JUST, YOU KNOW, WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO NECESSARILY AMEND OUR SHORELAND ZONING MAP.
UM, BUT THEN IT'S RE IT'S NOT THE MOST CURRENT DATA AND THEY'RE KIND OF IN LIES IN THE PROBLEM OF OUR GIS TEAM REALLY WANTS TO JUST KEEP OUR MAPS AS CURRENT AS POSSIBLE WITH ALL OF THE RELEVANT INFORMATION AND LAYERS THAT ARE COMING IN.
AND IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WITH GIS PROVIDING SERVICES FOR PROBABLY MOST OF OUR MUNICIPALITIES AT THIS POINT, UM, OR AT LEAST A VERY LARGE NUMBER OF THEM, UH, WE PROBABLY WANT TO HAVE, UH, THE MOST ACCURATE MAPS OF ANYBODY.
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THE STATE SUPERSEDES US AND WHATNOT, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, SEEMS LIKE WE SHOULD WANT TO UPDATE IT, UH, QUICKLY.
SO IN THE NAME OF EFFICIENCY SUPERVISOR, MARY, I HAVE A QUESTION.
JAMIE, HOW WOULD, IN A SITUATION LIKE THIS WHERE WE HAD THIS DEVELOPER, HOW WOULD THEY KNOW WHICH MAP IS THE MOST CURRENT MAP AND WHICH MAP APPLIES THEREIN LIES THE QUESTION OF WANTING OUR MAPS TO HOLD THE MOST UP-TO-DATE NAVIGABILITY INFORMATION FROM THE STATE OF WISCONSIN.
IF WE KNOW IT'S AVAILABLE, AND WE CAN SO THAT IT'S CORRECTED BOTH PLACES.
UM, BUT THEY WOULD PROBABLY CALL OUR OFFICE AND TALK TO ONE OF OUR LAND USE EMPLOYEES ABOUT WHO, WHAT KIND OF A PERMIT DO I NEED, WHAT KIND, WHO, WHERE DO I FIND THE REGULATORY AUTHORITY? AND THEY, OR THEY WOULD TRY TO INTERPRET POSSIBLY A WEBSITE, UM, TO TRY TO FIND THAT INFORMATION.
AND THEY'D HAVE TO ASSUME THAT THEY WENT TO THE RIGHT SOURCE IN THE FIRST PLACE.
IN THE CASE OF, IN THE CASE OF THE LAST, SEE SOME, THE SURVEYOR WAS AWARE OF IT.
THE, THE, THE LINE IS DRAWN ON THE MAP.
IT'S THE TIGHT BLOCK WAS MISSED.
I I JUST WANT TO VALIDATE ONE MORE TIME, AND FOR, FOR THE PUBLIC, ESPECIALLY WITH, UM, LAKE DISTRICT'S A BIG PART OF MY SUPERVISORY DISTRICT THAT THERE'S NOTHING THAT WE COULD DISPUTE AT AT OUR LEVEL.
LIKE YOU SAID, THE STATE HAS JURISDICTION OVER THIS.
SO SHORELAND ZONING WE ADOPT IN OUR ORDINANCE, WHICH WE DO HAVE AN SHORELAND ZONING ORDINANCE, MOSTLY IN LINE WITH WHAT'S REQUIRED UNDER STATE LAW.
THERE ARE A FEW EXCEPTIONS TO THAT.
OUR ORDINANCE DOES REFERENCE, YOU KNOW, THE NAVIGABILITY OF THAT IS A ROLE, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT THE
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DNR HOLDS, AND THEY KEEP THAT INVENTORY UPDATED, AND THEN WE REGULATE AROUND THAT IN TERMS OF WHAT WOULD BE, WHERE WOULD SHORELAND ZONING BE? SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, NO, WE CAN'T CHANGE THE NAVIGABILITY DETERMINATION OF A LAKE AND SAY WE'RE NO LONGER GOING TO DO THE SHORELAND ZONE OF X.UM, THE DNR CAN THOUGH, AND PRIVATE RESIDENCES NAVIGABILITY CAN CHANGE IT IS VERY RARE.
UM, BUT THERE ARE SOME UNIDENTIFIED AREAS WHERE POTENTIALLY SOMEBODY MIGHT CHALLENGE WHAT IS ON THE MAP.
I JUST WANTED THAT ALSO CLARIFIED FOR THE PUBLIC.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? ALL RIGHT.
SEEING NONE, UH, ALL SIGNIFY BY SAYING I, I, AYE.
MOVING ON TO ITEM E, UH, SAYS FAIR BUREAU, BUT IT'S, I THINK THEY MEAN FARM BUREAU FAIR PARK FOOD EXPANSION.
JAMIE, ARE YOU SPEAKING ON THIS TOO? YES, I CAN.
UM, THIS ITEM IS ALSO FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
SO THE WASHINGTON COUNTY FARM BUREAU WOULD LIKE TO EXPAND ITS CURRENT, IT'S FOOD STAND ABOUT, IT'S ABOUT 351 SQUARE FOOT EDITION.
IT'S A BUMP OUT, AND IT IS TO MOVE THEIR HOOD AND KIND OF OPEN UP THE SPACE A LITTLE BIT IN THEIR FOOD STAND.
SO THEY HAVE, UM, REQUESTED FROM THE COUNTY, KIND OF WHAT ARE THE NEXT STEPS TO MOVE FORWARD GETTING THIS DONE.
IT IS A PROJECT ESTIMATED BUILD OF AROUND $80,000.
SO IT DOES KIND OF TRIGGER, UM, THE CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT'S REQUIRED AND DOES REQUIRE THIS COMMITTEE'S APPROVAL IS SUFFICIENT FOR THEM TO MOVE FORWARD.
UM, WHAT WE HAVE TYPICALLY DONE WITH PERMANENT STRUCTURES BEING DONATED TO THE COUNTY, WHICH IN THIS CASE THAT IS WHAT THIS WOULD BE, THEY WOULD BE BUILDING, UM, THIS EXPANSION AND IT WOULD BECOME THE PROPERTY OF THE COUNTY.
UM, SO IT, DO THEY HAVE A LEASE ON THIS FACILITY THROUGH A ISA LONG-TERM LEASE FOR THAT FOOD STAND, UM, WITH TERMS AND CONDITIONS? UM, SO WE WOULD NOT BE, UM, WE DON'T MAINTAIN THE BUILDING NECESSARILY, BUT IN THE LONG TERM, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE OUR ASSET THAT WE WOULD OBTAIN.
AND SO THEREFORE THE COMMITTEE APPROVAL'S REQUIRED WHEN WE ACCEPT THAT TYPE OF A DONATION.
UM, A COUPLE NOTES ON THIS PROJECT.
WE DO LIKE TO ALSO GET APPROVAL FROM THE AGRICULTURAL INDUSTRIAL SOCIETY.
IT'S NOT REQUIRED, IT'S JUST MORE OF A, YOU KNOW, WANTING THEIR OPINION.
SO, UM, WE ARE KIND OF LOOKING FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE THEIR EXPANSION, SUBJECT TO REVIEW OF THE FACILITIES DEPARTMENT AND THE AGRICULTURAL INDUSTRIAL SOCIETY.
SO THE FACILITIES DEPARTMENT WILL LOOK AT, AND THEY HAVE HAD IT ALREADY PRELIMINARY CONVERSATIONS ABOUT MATERIALS, KIND OF PAINT COLOR, LOOK AND FEEL, UM, AND THEN UTILITIES IS AN ISSUE IN THIS CASE, THEY NEED TO BE RELOCATED.
UM, THERE, THIS IS A POINT I DO WANT TO MAKE FOR THE PUBLIC AND THE COMMITTEE THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT SUPPORTING THIS PROJECT BY POTENTIALLY, UM, COVERING THE COST TO MOVE THOSE UTILITIES.
UM, FROM THE FUNDING THAT WE HAVE FOR THE INFRAS INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECT OUT AT THE WASHINGTON COUNTY FAIR PARK, UM, WE ARE LOOKING AT PUTTING TOGETHER A MORE ROBUST REPORT FOR THIS COMMITTEE ON THAT DEBT THAT WAS ISSUED AND ON SORT OF THE OBLIGATIONS AND THE SPEND THAT'S HAPPENING OUT OF THAT POT OF MONEY FOR FAIR PARK IMPROVEMENTS OUT AT THE CONFERENCE CENTER, WE JUST PUT TOGETHER OUR CONTRACT.
SO WE'RE GONNA START REPORTING OUT ON THAT SO YOU CAN SEE KIND OF EXACTLY WHERE THOSE DOLLARS ARE GOING, BECAUSE THIS WOULD BE AN EXAMPLE WHERE IT DOES FALL INTO, UM, FAIR PARK INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS AND THEREFORE THAT POT OF MONEY, THIS, THIS IS AN ELIGIBLE EXPENSE FOR THAT.
SO I WANTED TO MENTION THAT AND GET ANY FEEDBACK THAT THIS GROUP MIGHT HAVE FROM THAT OR ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, BUT REALLY WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR YOUR MOTION TO APPROVE THE FARM, THE FARM BUREAU FOOD STAND EXPANSION, UM, SUBJECT TO THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THEY ALSO HAVE TO GET ALL THE PERMITS AND THE APPROVALS THAT ARE REQUIRED.
UM, SO IT'S KIND OF A HIGH LEVEL CONCEPT, UM, THAT YOU DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THIS.
SO BEFORE WE, I CALL FOR ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL FIRST CALL FOR A MOTION, UH, SUPERVISOR MARY, SECONDED BY SUPERVISOR PRIDE MORE.
UM, AND QUESTIONS FOR JAMIE ON THIS PROJECT SUPERVISOR KREBS.
YOU COVERED KIND OF SOME OF THE MAIN QUESTIONS I HAD RELATED
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TO WAS GONNA BE REVIEWING CALLERS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, WHICH I THINK IS DEFINITELY FAIR THAT THE A IS IS INVOLVED IN KIND OF HELPING TO MAINTAIN WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE OUT THERE FOR THE LOOK AND THE COHESIVENESS OF IT.UM, JUST MORE OF A COMMENT, AND I DON'T EXPECT EXACT NUMBERS, BUT THE FISCAL IMPACT, I SAY MINIMAL COST FOR THE UTILITY, THE W UTILITIES,
UH, I NEVER SEE UTILITIES BEING A MINIMAL FISCAL IMPACT WHEN YOU'RE RELOCATING THEM, SO I WOULD QUESTION THAT SLIGHTLY, BUT, UM, ASSUMING IT WOULD BE, UH, LESS THAN A COUPLE THOUSAND DOLLARS, BUT UTILITIES USUALLY AREN'T CHEAP TO MOVE, SO I WOULD JUST POINT THAT OUT AS THAT MIGHT NOT BE THE CASE.
BUT OVERALL, I WOULD DEFINITELY SUPPORT, UH, THE INVESTMENT AND EXPANSION OF THE, OF THE BUILDING ITSELF.
SO, AND, AND THEY WERE ENOUGH OF A COST THAT THE FARM BUREAU, WHEN THE COUNTY BROUGHT IT FORWARD AND SAID, WELL, WE ARE GONNA NEED YOU TO DO THIS, THIS, AND THIS, UM, HAD CONCERNS ABOUT THE COST, THAT COST KIND OF BEING THE DIFFERENTIATOR.
AND THAT WAS, UM, WHY I THINK WE THOUGHT THE COUNTY EXECUTIVES TEAM THOUGHT THAT WE COULD PUT SOME SKIN INTO THE CAPITAL PROJECT, ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE CONSIDERATION THAT WE HAPPENED TO HAVE MONEY AVAILABLE FOR THIS PURPOSE OUT THERE RIGHT NOW.
AND THEY'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT DOING A PATIO AND, YOU KNOW, A NI YOU KNOW, A NICE IMPROVEMENT OUT THERE TO THAT FACILITY.
SO, UM, I HEAR YOU ON THE MINIMAL COSTS.
THE CHIEF PUBLIC WORKS OFFICER WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO PUT TOGETHER A COST ESTIMATE.
I JUST DID NOT HAVE TIME TO GET THAT BEFORE THIS MEETING.
UM, BUT THAT IS WHY WE WERE TALKING ABOUT COMING BACK WITH A FULL REPORT ON HOW IS THIS MONEY BEING SPENT.
UM, IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY REQUIRE APPROVAL, BUT IT IS, IT IS THIS COMMITTEE'S JOB TO KINDA WATCH THAT SPENDING AND THAT PROJECT AS IT EVOLVES.
AND SO WE'RE GONNA KIND OF START TRACKING THAT FOR YOU AND IN BRINGING THAT REPORT BACK, UM, IN THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS, WE WILL HAVE A NUMBER ON THAT.
SURE, YEAH, I JUST WOULD, I JUST DON'T WANT TO SET THE PRECEDENT OF IF THE FARM FARM BUREAU IS EXPANDING AND WE'RE GONNA PUT X NUMBER OF THOUSANDS INTO ASSISTING WITH EXPANSION, UM, THAT THE NEXT STAND OR THE NEXT STAND NEEDS IT.
AND IT'S VERY CONVENIENT THAT WE HAVE, HAVE A SOURCE OF FUNDING AVAILABLE TO US AT THIS TIME, BUT, UM, JUST THAT IT'S NOT THE NORM AND WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK AT THAT NUMBER AND HAVE THAT DISCUSSION WITH THIS COMMITTEE IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU GUYS WANNA TALK MORE ABOUT.
UM, AT THIS TIME I'M OKAY, BUT UNLESS, UNLESS YOU FEEL THE NUMBER ARISES TO A HIGHBROW LEVEL ENOUGH THAT
SO, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY AND, UH, KIND OF REPEAT WHAT MS. LUDWIG SAID FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC AND THIS COMMITTEE'S, UH, THE MONEY THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE HAS BEEN ALLOCATED AND APPROVED BY THE COUNTY BOARD TO BE SPENT BY THE EXECUTIVE, UH, OUT AT THE FAIR PARK FOR THIS, UH, THE PROJECTS THAT WERE LISTED IN THE ORIGINAL, UH, RESOLUTION.
UM, SO IT IS A COURTESY AND IT'S A COURTESY THAT THEY, UH, SHOULD EXTEND BECAUSE, UH, UM, IT IS OF COURSE, AS MS. LUT SAID, THIS COMMITTEE'S, UH, SUPPOSED TO BE THE WATCHDOG FOR THIS.
SO, UM, SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT, UM, TO JUST KIND OF REITERATE THAT AND MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S GOT THAT.
SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UH, SUPERVISOR CONRAD? YEP.
YEAH, AND I JUST, UM, JAMIE, WANT TO DOUBLE CHECK, YOU STATED THAT THE MAINTENANCE OF THIS WOULD BE THE ACCOUNTABILITY OF, OF THE FARM BUREAU, THE SUSTAINED MAINTENANCE.
THE FARM BUREAU HAS A LEASE WHEREBY THEY MAINTAIN THE, THE INSIDE OF THEIR FACILITY, UM, AND, UH, TYPICALLY ASSIST WITH OTHER UPGRADES.
UM, BUT IT IS, IS IS A BUILDING THAT WE OWN SIMILAR TO THE DRAFT HORSE BARN AND THE OTHER BUILDINGS, BUT OF ALL OF THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT WE HAVE OUT AT THE WASHINGTON COUNTY FAIR, THEIR, UM, LEASE, THEIR COMMITMENT AND THEIR MAINTENANCE AND CARE FOR THE FACILITY HAS BEEN THE BEST THAT WE HAVE OUT THERE.
SO THE MAINTENANCE ACCOUNTABILITY, IS THE COUNTIES ON THIS ADDITION, OR IS IT THE FARM BUREAUS? SO RIGHT NOW THE FARM BUREAU HAS A LEASE WITH THE AGRICULTURAL INDUSTRIAL SOCIETY.
WE HAVE AN OPERATING AGREEMENT WITH THE AGRICULTURAL INDUSTRIALIST SOCIETY, WHICH HAPPENS TO ALLOW THE FARM BUREAU TO
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HAVE A LONG-TERM LEASE IN AGREEMENT.SO WITH OUR AGREEMENT WITH THE AGRICULTURAL INDUSTRIAL SOCIETY, WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE BONES OF THE BUILDINGS, IF YOU WANNA CALL IT THAT WAY.
AND THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR A LOT OF THE DAY-TO-DAY REPAIR, YOU KNOW, INTERIOR KIND OF WALLS IN.
SO I'M NOT SURE I, I ASSUME THEIR AGREEMENT IS SIMILAR.
UM, I WOULD THINK THAT ROOF REPAIRS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE HAVE BEEN A COLLABORATIVE PARTNERSHIP IN THE PAST.
AGAIN, THIS BUILDING IS ONLY, UH, ONE OF YOU MIGHT KNOW BETTER THAN I, BUT THE, THE ENTIRE GROUNDS IS ONLY 20, 25 YEARS OLD.
SO I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT WE REALLY GOT INTO NEEDS MAJOR REPAIR YET.
UM, SO CONCEIVABLY THERE COULD BE A FUTURE MAINTENANCE COST THAT ULTIMATELY FALLS BACK ONTO THE COUNTY.
THANK SO IT'S MORE OF A, A COLLABORATION.
YEAH, TYPICALLY, UM, IN COMMERCIAL LEASING, WHICH BASICALLY THAT'S WHAT THIS IS.
SO IT'S LIKE, JUST LIKE THE BUILDING THAT I'M IN WITH MY OFFICE AND MY COMPANY, UH, COMMERCIAL LEASE, UH, GIVES US THE SPACE, BUT THAT LEASE ENSURES THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF ALL THE FIXTURES AND EVERYTHING IN IT.
SO, UH, THEY'RE, THEY PROVIDE THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING AND THAT'S ABOUT IT.
UM, SO THAT'S KIND OF THE AGREEMENT HERE MORE OR LESS.
UM, AND BEING THAT IT'S, UM, A STEEL STRUCTURE WRAPPED IN STEEL AND COVERED IN STEEL, I'M PRETTY SURE THAT'S GONNA PROBABLY BE A WHILE BEFORE ANYTHING MIGHT GO ON WITH THAT BUILDING.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT.
HEARING NONE, UH, ALL SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
WE WILL MOVE ON TO OUR DISCUSSION FOR HERITAGE TRAILS PARK USAGE REPORT AND I'M SURE JAMIE, YOU GOT THAT ONE? YES, I DO.
UM, THE BUDGET POLICY AND ANALYTICS DEPARTMENT PREPARED THE REPORT IN YOUR PACKET AT OUR REQUEST HEADING INTO THE BUDGET.
THE PARK PARKS ENTERPRISE ALONG WITH THE REST OF THE COUNTY, UM, HAS A DIFFICULT BUDGET IN FRONT OF US FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS.
UM, COSTS ARE GOING UP THE WEDDING INDUSTRY AND PARK INDUSTRY IN GENERAL.
UM, ALL OF OUR REVENUE STREAMS ARE TRACKING AND PROJECTING IN 2025, WELL BELOW 2024.
UM, WE THINK THAT MIGHT BE A SYMPTOM OF THE ECONOMY OR JUST KIND OF THE TIGHTENING THAT WE'RE SEEING IN GENERAL.
UM, AND SO WE'RE LOOKING TO ACCURATELY REFLECT THAT IN 2026 WE ARE NOT LOOKING AT ANY PARK RATE INCREASES IN OUR ENTERPRISE BUDGET FOR THE USER FEES, UM, OR THE GENERAL ANNUAL FEES.
UM, THE WEDDING VENUES AND HOUSES ARE AN EXCEPTION TO THAT, UM, BECAUSE WE GENERALLY, THOSE ARE MARKET DRIVEN KIND OF PRICES THAT WE FOLLOW.
UM, HOWEVER THE ONE EXCEPTION AND THAT THAT WAS UM, THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE NOTING THAT HE DOES NOT HAVE ANY INTEREST IN RAISING THE DAILY ENTRANCE FEE OR THE ANNUAL FEE.
UM, THIS BIENNIUM, WE DID RAISE IT, UM, LAST BIENNIUM IF YOU RECALL, TO $7 FOR A DAILY ENTRANCE.
UM, THE EXCEPTION TO THAT WAS POTENTIALLY LOOKING SPECIFICALLY AT, UM, A MOUNTAIN BIKE PASS OR DRILLING INTO KIND OF THE MORE SPECIALTY USE OF THOSE, YOU KNOW, OUTTA STATE OR RESIDENTS COMING IN FOR THAT SPECIALTY PARK.
SO WE DID PREPARE THIS, HAVE THIS REPORT PREPARED IN ADDITION TO SOME DATA WE'RE LOOKING AT AS A LEVER, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WAY TO SAY IT.
UM, THAT SAID, WE HAVE TALKED A LITTLE BIT WITH METRO MOUNTAIN BIKERS AND OUR RELUCTANT TO NECESSARILY MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO, UM, CHANGE THE FEE MODEL AT HERITAGE TRAILS WITHOUT KIND OF THE PARTNERSHIP AND THE SUPPORT THAT METRO WEST HAS.
WE HAVE HAD A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT OUT THERE.
THEY HAVE BEEN VOLUNTEERING MANY, MANY HOURS TO NOT ONLY BUILD BUT MAINTAIN THOSE TRAILS.
THEIR COST CENTER IS DOING WELL.
AS YOU CAN SEE, IF YOU'VE REVIEWED THE REPORT, THEY ARE SEEING INCREASED USAGE AND THEIR RIDERS, UM, SEE THAT KIND OF COMING BACK.
SO WE HAD ONE DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS SOMETHING WE WERE GONNA BE DRILLING INTO OR, OR TAKING A LOOK AT.
UM, BUT WE DID THINK IT WAS, UH, ENOUGH OF AN OPTION THAT WE WANTED TO DO SOME DUE DILIGENCE.
WE'RE DOING A BACKGROUND DATA REPORT TO YOU TODAY.
WE ALSO HAVE LOOKED AT NUMBERS IN TERMS OF WHAT COULD BE GENERATED OR WHAT MIGHT BE AN OPTION FOR A LEVER.
UM, MOSTLY IF WE WERE LOOKING AT A
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SITUATION WHERE WE WOULD BE WANTING TO, WITH METRO INCREASE ANY SORT OF FUNDING, UM, WE DO NOT HAVE ANY FUNDING AVAILABLE TO BE INCREASING SERVICE LEVELS OR PROVIDING ADDITIONAL FUNDING SUPPORT TO OTHER ENTITIES.UM, AND SO WE WANTED TO RATHER THAN JUST SAY, WELL SORRY, THERE IS NO MONEY, YOU KNOW, UM, WE DID TALK TO THEM ABOUT YOU, WE HAVE A LEVER.
UM, IF YOU WANT TO PULL IT, WE CAN TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THAT DOES FOR YOU, WHAT THAT DOES FOR US, UM, HOW THAT MIGHT WORK AND WHAT THAT, THAT SITUATION IS.
SO THOSE ARE THE KIND OF THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'RE HAVING IN THE BACKGROUND.
UM, BUT AS I MENTIONED, AT THIS POINT WE ARE NOT RECOMMENDING ANYTHING.
WE ARE JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE KIND OF AN OVERVIEW OF THE DATA, THE GROWTH, SEE WHAT OPINIONS, IF ANY THE COMMITTEE HAD TO OFFER ON THE TOPIC.
UM, KIND OF HEADING INTO, UM, THE BUDGET WE'RE BUILDING RIGHT NOW.
SO I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE DATA IF I CAN, OR JUST IN GENERAL ABOUT THE MOUNTAIN BIKE TRAIL USAGE.
SUPERVISOR PRIDE MORE, I'M JUST WONDERING, DID SOMEONE, IS THERE A REASON WHY THERE'S SUCH A DECREASE IN 2025, THE YEAR TO DATE COMPARED TO THE OTHER ONE IN 2024? YEAH, SO I THINK IT'S PROBABLY TWO THINGS.
2025, AND WE KNOW THIS 'CAUSE WE'RE WORKING REALLY HARD RIGHT NOW ON OUR PROJECTIONS FOR 26 AND 27, UM, IS TRACKING BEHIND 2024.
SO WEATHER WAS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT AND THE ECONOMY WAS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
SO WE THINK THOUGH, WE THINK THOSE MIGHT BE FACTORS.
UM, BUT THE OTHER THING HAPPENING AT HERITAGE TRAILS, UM, WHICH MAY OR MAY NOT BE DIRECTLY REFLECTED HERE IS IF PEOPLE COME FOR A DAILY FOR THE NEW EXCITING THING, RIGHT? THEY TEND TO DO THAT.
UM, BUT ALSO THEY MAY PURCHASE ANNUALS, RIGHT? SO IF YOU WERE A RIDER FROM WAUKESHA AND EARLY IN THE SEASON, YOU WENT LAST YEAR, MAYBE YOU PAID A DAILY FEE AT THE END OF THE YEAR AND THEN NOW YOU'VE BEEN CONVERTED TO A MORE REGULAR RIDER.
SO THE COMBINATION OF THOSE FOUR THINGS WE THINK ARE SPECIFICALLY, UM, DRIVING THAT, BUT THAT WOULDN'T ACCOUNT FOR THE CAMERA RECORDED EXITS.
UM, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, 20, 24 YEAR TO DATE WE HAD 7,839 EXITS, RIGHT? SO THAT'S ACTUALLY NUMBER OF CARS, WHETHER OR NOT YOU'RE AN ANNUAL OR DAILY.
SO YOU CAN SEE JUST NUMBER OF CARS IS DOWN, WHICH MEANS THE TRAFFIC AND THE USAGE OF THE PARK IS DOWN IN 25 COMPARED TO 24.
SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS WE'RE LOOKING AT.
AND ALSO RELATED TO KIND OF THE REVENUE WE CAN EXPECT THERE GOING INTO THE BUDGET, WE'RE SEEING THAT ACROSS ALL OF THE PARKS.
UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS SUPERVISOR, MARY? YEAH, I THINK IT'S AN INTERESTING AND JUST AN OBSERVATION THAT UH, OUR, OUR FLAT LENDER FRIENDS FROM THE SOUTH TEND TO BE USING IT MORE THAN WE ARE NOW WITH THE ILLINOIS HAS ALMOST DOUBLED IN THE LAST YEAR AND, UH, HAS FAR SURPASSED THE WISCONSIN PEOPLE WHO ARE PARTICIPATING.
WELL AGAIN, THAT'S THE DAILY PASSES, RIGHT? SO THAT COULD ALSO BE REFLECTANT OF VISITORS VERSUS MORE FREQUENT RIDERS.
AND I WOULD GUESS THE, I AND YOU COULD PUT A CONCESSION STAND OUT THERE, IT'D PROBABLY BE A GREAT PROFIT CENTER BECAUSE IT IS MORE THAN LIKELY THOSE PEOPLE ARE GETTING MORE THAN ONE OR TWO PEOPLE IN A VEHICLE.
THEY'RE BRINGING A CAR LOAD UP AND PUTTING THE BIKE ON THE TOP OR WHATEVER.
BUT I THINK THAT'S INTERESTING THAT HOW THAT HAS GROWN, UH, PHENOMENALLY IN TERMS OF PEOPLE COMING FROM OUT OF STATE TO COME UP HERE TO USE THE TRAILS SUPERVISOR KREBS, UM, THAT LAST COMMENT THAT THERE'S MORE PEOPLE FROM THE SOUTH THAN LOCAL USERS, BUT THE UM, THE MAP THAT I'M LOOKING AT ARE THE BAR GRAPH.
IT SAYS WISCONSIN RESIDENTS ARE AT 94% ROUGHLY IN 2023 OF THE USES.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE ONLY LOOKING AT LIKE THE VERY TIP OF THE BAR GRAPH, HOW I UNDERSTAND IT EXACTLY.
SO YEAH, SO DAILY, BECAUSE IT'S DAILY SO, SO DAILY THE USES INCLUDE PEOPLE WHO HAVE ANNUAL PASSES.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF I HAVE AN ANNUAL PASS AND I GO EVERY SINGLE DAY, I WOULD HIT 365 IN AND OUTS MM-HMM
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AM I LOOK READING THAT, RIGHT.ARE YOU ON, I'M LOOKING AT THIS.
WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING AT THIS MAP, RIGHT? I'M LOOKING AT PAGE 36 OF 37.
SO IF YOU TAKE LIKE THE BLUE TOP OF THE BLUE LINE, WHICH IS WISCONSIN, GO ALL THE WAY TO THE LEFT.
THAT SAYS 93, 90 4% ROUGHLY OF THE PLATES.
THE NUMBER IS 170 OUT OF ABOUT 3000.
SO IF YOU COULD THEN RESPOND OR GO A LITTLE BIT DEEPER INTO THE LEVER THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT OF LIKE A MOUNTAIN BIKE PASS, WHAT IS THAT OR HOW WOULD YOU ENFORCE THAT? BECAUSE THAT PARK IS MORE THAN MOUNTAIN BIKING.
YEAH, SO WE'VE FLOATED A COUPLE IDEAS.
UM, ONE IS JUST CHANGING THE DAILY PASS RATE AT HERITAGE TRAILS, UM, TO A MUCH, YOU KNOW, TO LIKE SAY $15 OR $20 A DAY FOR A CAR LOAD.
UM, WITH THE IDEA OF THAT WOULD HAVE TWO CONSEQUENCES.
IT WOULD CR IT WOULD SWITCH PEOPLE WHO GO MAYBE ONE, TWO OR THREE TIMES FROM DAILY TO ANNUAL.
SO WE WOULD EXPECT THAT MOST OF OUR LOCAL PEOPLE WOULD POTENTIALLY CONVERT TO AN ANNUAL MEMBERSHIP AND YOU WOULD REALLY JUST BE THEN HITTING THOSE DAILY VISITORS FROM FURTHER AWAY WHO WOULD MAYBE JUST PAY THE DAILY BECAUSE THEY'RE ONLY COMING FOR THE WEEKEND.
AND SO IT, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE, STILL DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO PAY THE $50 NON-RESIDENT MEMBERSHIP FEE BECAUSE THEY WON'T, WOULDN'T HIT THAT YET.
UM, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT DOING THE MOUNTAIN BIKE PASS FOR DAILY AND ANNUAL USERS.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT UM, THE IDEA THAT POTENTIALLY THE DISC GOLFERS ARE PUR LIKELY PURCHASING ANNUALS BECAUSE THEY ARE LIKELY MORE LOCAL IN NATURE IF THEY'RE COMING OUT TO DISC GOLF AND MORE OR WALKING INTO THE PARK.
AND SO THEY WOULDN'T NECESSARILY, UM, REALLY NEED TO KNOW IF THERE WAS A MOUNTAIN BIKE PASS.
WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT MAKING IT SEPARATE COMPLETELY.
UM, THERE'S SOME LOGISTICAL CHALLENGES WITH THAT.
UM, WE'RE ALSO KIND OF TRYING TO DIVE INTO THE CONSEQUENCES OF, UM, DOING THAT WITH REGARDS TO JUST PRICING OUT MOUNTAIN BIKERS OR DISCOURAGING THE BUILD OR THE ACTIVITY.
UM, RIGHT, WHICH IS WHY THERE'S A LOT OF FACTORS THAT ARE KIND OF GOING INTO THE CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW WOULD YOU DO IT, WHAT WOULD YOU DO IT? AND WE DIDN'T GET, UM, WE GOT ENOUGH OF A RESPONSE FROM THE METRO MOUNTAIN BIKERS OF, WELL YOU KNOW, THEY HAD SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THAT WOULD BE IN THE PARK'S BEST INTEREST.
AND SO WE REALLY AREN'T, I'M HOPING THAT WE'RE JUST STILL THE KIND OF DIVING INTO THIS WALK WATCHING TRACKING IF THE USERS ARE GONNA GO DOWN, IF THEY'RE GONNA GO UP.
UM, THERE IS STILL FUNDING CHALLENGES IN GENERAL WITH THE CONTINUED BUILD OF THOSE TRAILS AND THE ONGOING MAINTENANCE.
UM, AND SO WE'RE ALSO TRYING TO BE A PARTNER IN HOW DO WE HELP SOLVE THOSE BUT NOTING THAT WE DON'T HAVE PROPERTY TAX DOLLARS NOR DO WE HAVE EXCESS DOLLARS FROM OUR PARK MAINTENANCE REALLY TO JUST APPLY TO THIS.
UM, SO WE'RE TOYING WITH THAT CONVERSATION, UM, AND HOW WE CAN DO MORE EVENTS OR MORE FUNDRAISERS.
UM, BUT I DO THINK IT'S A, I MEAN YOU GUYS WERE OUT THERE SO YOU UNDERSTAND IT'S A LOT I FEEL, I FEEL LIKE IF YOU RAISE THE RATES, THE DAILY RATES JUST AT THAT PARK, YOU'RE REALLY MAKING THAT PARK EXCLUSIVELY ESSENTIALLY MOUNTAIN BIKING PARK, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE WOULD BE OTHER ACTIVITIES THERE, BUT THE RATES ARE RAISED THERE FOR THE MO BIKERS SO EVERYONE ELSE IS KIND OF PUNISHED BY THAT.
UM, HAVE YOU, DO YOU HAVE ANY DATA OR HAVE YOU LOOKED AT WHAT THE OUTSTATE PLATES AT OTHER PARKS ARE? 'CAUSE IF IT'S REALLY, I THINK FROM MY FEELINGS AT LEAST THE, THE SIMPLEST FIRST ROUND OF WAYS TO REALLY TARGET THE MOUND BIKING ASPECT OF IT WOULD BE OUT ESTATE PLATES PAY A HIGHER RATE THAN RESIDENT WISCONSIN RESIDENT PLATES, YOU KNOW, UM, WHETHER BOTH DAILY AND OR ANNUAL PASSES.
UM, ASSUMING OTHER PARKS ARE PRETTY LOW ON OUT-OF-STATE PLATES OTHER THAN PROBABLY MAYBE WHERE THERE'S WEDDING VENUES THAT COULD BE, BUT AREN'T THOSE NOT SUBJECT TO DAILY RATES ANYWAYS, I GUESS, UM, THE WEDDING, THE WEDDINGS WOULD NOT BE GLACIER HILLS PROBABLY.
UM, WE DID DO SOME ANALYSIS ON GLACIER HILLS, UM, BECAUSE IT IS A REGIONAL DESTINATION WITH THE
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CABINS.BUT THAT'S AN INTERESTING COMMENT BECAUSE WHEN WE STARTED THE FEES, WE DID NOT DO A DAILY RESIDENT AND A DAILY NON-RESIDENT, BUT IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS CONTEMPLATED.
I THINK IT'S HARDER TO SEPARATE RESIDENTS IF WE'RE TRYING TO TALK WASHINGTON COUNTY VERSUS LIKE WAUKESHAW.
BUT SO IF IT'S A, IF WE KEEP IT AS SIMPLE AS WISCONSIN VERSUS OTHER RESIDENTS, I THINK THAT'S A LOT EASIER TO ENFORCE.
YOUR LICENSE PLATE DOESN'T TELL YOU MUCH OTHER THAN THE STATE.
WELL OTHER THAN OTHER STATES THEY DO RIGHT WHERE YOU REGISTER YOUR TAG IS SHOWN ON YOUR PLATE.
UM, I, I THINK AND I WOULD SUPPORT IF WE'RE TRYING TO LOOK FOR SOME REVENUE INCREASES STARTING AT WISCONSIN RESIDENTS VERSUS NON-RESIDENTS, UM, LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS, IT'S NOT A HUGE FUNDRAISER I IF YOU WANNA CALL IT THAT REVENUE, UH, SOURCE.
BUT IT WOULD DEFINITELY BE A EASY WITH THE, I'M ASSUMING OUR CAMERA SOFTWARE THAT'S EASY ENOUGH TO IMPLEMENT IT WHERE THEY COULD TRACK OR THAT CAN, THAT CAN IDENTIFY WISCONSIN PLATES VERSUS OTHERS, UM, AND CREATE A TWO TIERED SYSTEM AT THAT LEVEL.
WHETHER THAT THAT INCREASED LEVEL IS EARMARKED SPECIFICALLY FOR METRO THOUGH, OR JUST TOWARDS THE PARKS IN GENERAL, THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT CONVERSATION.
BUT, UM, YOU'RE GONNA STEP ALL OVER MY KOOL-AID.
AREN'T YOU JUST GONNA GO THERE?
I, I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN LOOKING AT OUT-OF-STATE PLATES AT ALL PARKS TO START WITH.
JUST SEE WHAT THOSE LARGER NUMBERS ARE AND HOW THAT CORRELATES SPECIFICALLY THEN TOWARDS JUST THE HERITAGE TRAIL OUTSTATE PLATES.
SO SUPERVISOR MARY YEAH, IT, MY COMMENT PRIOR I MENTIONED ON, ON A PRIME PLACE FOR CONCESSION STANDS.
HAVE WE BEEN APPROACHED BY ANY FOOD TRUCKS TO LOCATE THEMSELVES THERE? SO THEY DO GO OUT THERE FOR SPECIAL EVENTS RIGHT NOW.
UM, WE METRO IS INTERESTED IN RUNNING ELECTRICITY THROUGH THE PARK OR HAVE HAVING ELECTRICITY RUN THROUGH THE PARK SO THAT THEY CAN DO MORE THINGS OUT THERE.
UM, WHAT, WHAT OUR RESPONSE TO THAT WAS VERY SIMILAR TO THE THOUGHT PROCESS THAT YOU'RE HAVING RIGHT NOW ABOUT CONCESSION STANDS AND RVS.
WE'RE DOING SOME SPECIAL EVENTS OUT THERE WITH OUR RVS.
UM, HOWEVER, OVERNIGHT CHANGES WOULD REQUIRE US TO LOOK AT OUR PARK ZONING MORE COMPREHENSIVELY AND, YOU KNOW, TALK TO THE TOWN OF POLK, UM, IS WE ARE SUBMITTING HERITAGE TRAILS TO THE UNIVERSITY OF WISCONSIN FOR A PROJECT STUDENT PROJECT TO DO MORE OF A, A MORE OF A PARK LAYOUT PLAN.
SO THIS IS THE MASTERS OF PLANNING PROGRAM STUDENTS, UM, TO LISTEN TO THE PROPOSAL THAT METRO HAS GIVEN US ABOUT WHERE THEY WANNA PUT UM, KIND OF ELECTRICITY BOXES AND KIND OF THE COSTS OF THOSE AND STACK THAT AGAINST NOT ONLY THE FEEDBACK WE GOT DURING OUR HERITAGE TRAILS TRAIL PLAN, WHICH PEOPLE WERE TALKING ABOUT.
WE WOULD LIKE A RESTROOM OR WE WOULD LIKE WATER OR PICNIC TABLES, UM, BUT TO ALSO CONSIDER THE OTHER USERS AND KIND OF THE IMPLICATIONS FOR THE PARK OF WHERE MIGHT THE BEST PLACE FOR A FOOD TRUCK OR A CONCESSION STAND BE TO LOCATE SO THAT WE CAN THEN TAKE A LOOK AT.
IN THE PAST WE HAVE DONE KIND OF RFPS.
THE, THE BIGGEST EXAMPLE OF SUCCESS WE HAVE ON THAT IS THE TAP YARD AT ACKERMAN'S GROVE WE ACTUALLY DID AN OPEN CALL FOR A BEER GARDEN IN THAT LOCATION OR SOMEBODY TO COME IN AND OPERATE SOMETHING THERE OR DO MORE REGULAR TYPE ACTIVITY.
UM, SO WE ARE TRYING TO FACILITATE A WAY TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH METRO, UM, IN A WAY THAT'S THOUGHTFUL AND UM, ACCURATELY MAYBE LOOKS AT ALSO WHAT THIS COMMITTEE THINKS ABOUT.
IS THIS A PLAN? BECAUSE WITH THE TRAIL PLAN WE PLANNED THE TRAILS BUT WE REALLY DID NOT TALK A LOT ABOUT CONCESSION STANDS OR THE LOCATION OF THE ELECTRICITY OR THE LOCATION OF A BAND OR HOW THAT FITS INTO WHERE THEY ARE.
AND SO WE ARE A LITTLE BIT RELUCTANT TO JUST RUN, UM, TO SPEND MONEY, UM, WITHOUT BEING THOUGHTFUL ABOUT WHERE WE'RE PUTTING THIS STUFF AND WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
SO THAT'S KIND OF THE STATUS OF THAT CONVERSATION RELATED TO HOW DO WE GENERATE MORE FUNDING AND GET THOSE EVENTS AND UM, ELECTRICITY AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS OUT THERE TO BE MORE CONSISTENT.
I WAS THINKING IN TERMS OF FOOD TRUCKS, THEY TEND TO BE SELF-CONTAINED MM-HMM
SO ELECTRICITY WOULD NOT BE A SITUATION, BUT
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I'M JUST WONDERING IF WE HAVE BEEN APPROACHED THAT SOME SOMEBODY WOULD'VE WANTS TO COME OUT AND RUN A WE'RE ON A FOOD TRUCK.THAT'S WHY I MENTIONED THE OUT OF STATE PEOPLE.
THEY CAN'T JUST GO HOME FOR LUNCH AND COME BACK.
THEY'RE GONNA COMMIT FOR A DAY LONG EVENT.
SO IF AT SOME POINT IN TIME THEY'RE GONNA WANT SOME FOOD AND BEVERAGE.
AND WE DO HAVE A FOOD TRUCK, FOOD TRUCKS THAT COME OUT THERE FOR LOTS OF SPECIAL EVENTS OR SPECIAL RIDES OR DAYS, BUT NOTHING ON A PERMANENT BASIS WHERE WE'RE COLLECTING ANY SORT OF REVENUE.
IS THERE ANY, SORRY, SUPERVISOR KREBS, IS THERE ANY COUNTY CODE OR DO WE HAVE ANY PARKS RULES IN REGARDS TO WHO CAN OPERATE BUSINESSES ON COUNTY PARKLAND? LIKE, 'CAUSE THE FOOD TRUCK'S A FOUR BUSINESS VENTURE MM-HMM
ARE THEY ALLOWED TO JUST PULL UP AND WE DO THAT.
WE DON'T GE WE GENERALLY REQUIRE SPECIAL EVENT FORMS OR CONTRACTS OR AUTHORIZATION FROM OUR DEPARTMENT.
SO FOR ANY, IT COULD BE ANY BUSINESS, LET'S JUST SAY IT'S SELLING BIKES OR YOU KNOW, A POP-UP PERSON WALKING AROUND SELLING GLOW STICKS OR WHATEVER IT WOULD BE.
UM, WE REQUIRE APPROVAL BY THE DEPARTMENT DEPENDING ON WHAT IT IS POTENTIALLY THE CODE, UM, TO DO THAT.
WE HAVE THIS EXAMPLE HAPPENING WITH GADEN COUNTY PARK WHERE WE'RE TRANSITIONING TO THE ENTRANCE FEE AND THERE IS A BUSINESS THAT USES THAT PARK TO OPERATE, UM, WITH DROP OFF AND PICKUPS.
AND SO WE ARE STARTING TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE TO REALLY OPERATE WITHIN OUR PARKS NOW THAT IT'S A FEE-BASED SYSTEM.
SO WHEN THE PARKS ARE FREE, I THINK YOU GET A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THAT WHERE PEOPLE WILL, YOU KNOW, COME AND PHOTOGRAPHERS IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE.
UM, WE USUALLY REQUIRE THEM TO FILL, TO PAY OUR ENTRANCE FEE OR, UM, A LOT OF THE PARKS DO PERMIT DIFFERENT TYPES OF BUSINESSES THAT MIGHT COME IN AND USE THE PARKS AND FACILITIES.
I DUNNO IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION, BUT THE SHORT ANSWER IS WE WOULD NOT WANT TO ALLOW, JUST ALLOW A FOOD TRUCK TO GO OUT THERE AND PARK ALL THE TIME WITHOUT APPROVAL.
WELL, BUT WHAT'S STOPPING 'EM OR WHAT'S, HOW, HOW IS THAT BEING CONTROLLED THOUGH? OTHER, YOU KNOW, IF A FOOD TRUCK BUYS AN ANNUAL DAILY OR AN ANNUAL PASS, UNLESS, ARE WE GOING OUT THERE AND MONITORING THE PARKING LOTS? I THINK IT IS.
THERE IS A PARK RULE IN OUR CODE IF THERE'S A COMPLAINT, IS THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT SITING OR ENFORCING ANYTHING? YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT NOT BE A PROBLEM TODAY, BUT IN THE FUTURE IF THERE'S FIVE FOOD TRUCKS OUT THERE ALL OF A SUDDEN MM-HMM
YOU KNOW, AND IF, IF WE'RE LOOKING FOR REVENUE, I'M LOOKING AT OUR, UH, PERSON WHO EN ENACTED OUR PARK ZONING BEHIND US.
BUT LET ME GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT AND WE WILL, WE CAN REPORT BACK ON KIND OF BUSINESS RULES.
SO THEY'LL LOOK INTO IT TOO, JUST TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ON.
SOMETIMES IT'S BETTER TO GET IN FRONT OF IT THAN TRY TO REACT TO IT.
NOT THAT, NOT THAT I WANT NOT A PROPONENT FOR MORE RULES OR REGULATIONS.
PLEASE LET THAT BE, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE CONTROLLED.
ALL I WANT TO GET IN, I WANT TO GET IN ON SOME OF THIS CONVERSATION TOO HERE.
IT'S OBVIOUSLY THE PARK THAT'S, UH, REALLY KIND OF DRIVING A LOT OF OUR SUCCESS.
UM, I, I DON'T AGREE THAT I NECESSARILY WOULD CARE TO GO AFTER JUST OUT OF STATE.
UM, BUT I DO THINK THAT WE MIGHT WANT TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO CARVE OUT HERITAGE HILLS SPECIFICALLY, UH, UH, FOR SOME TYPE OF ENHANCED REVENUE.
UM, BUT I THINK THERE'S ALSO A SELL IN THERE THAT WE CAN CARVE THAT OUT AND USE IT SPECIFICALLY FOR HERITAGE HILLS, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SO THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE, IF IT CAN BE EARMARKED NOT TO GO TO THE GENERAL FUND, BUT TO GO FOR, YOU KNOW, THAT PARK SPEC SPECIFICALLY, I'D LIKE TO SEE A LITTLE BIT OF THOUGHT OR INVESTIGATION INTO HOW THAT MIGHT LOOK.
UM, YOU KNOW, HERITAGE HILLS AND, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE INCREASE, NOT THE ANNUAL PASS OR THE, YOU KNOW, THE DAY PASSES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
MAYBE LOOK AT ANYBODY WHO'S GETTING A DAY PASS IS PROBABLY NOT A HIKER, IS PROBABLY NOT A DISC GOLFER.
THAT'S PROBABLY A MOUNTAIN BIKER IF THAT'S, AND, AND USUALLY FROM OUT OF STATE.
UM, SO I THINK IT'S MORE YOUR ANNUAL PASS IS GONNA BE YOUR DISC GOLFER AND YOUR HIKER, THE PERSON THAT GOES OVER THERE ALL THE TIME AND JUST WALKS AROUND OR WHATEVER.
UM, BUT THE MOUNTAIN BIKERS ARE A LOT OF DAILY PASSES THAT MIGHT COME OUT ONCE OR TWICE A YEAR.
AND SO THEY JUST BUY DAILY 'CAUSE IT MAKES MORE SENSE.
UM, SO AN INCREASE IN THE DAILY FEE AND EVEN
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JUST SAYING, HEY, LOOK, YOU KNOW, YES, A DAILY FEE IS INCREASED A LITTLE BIT, BUT STILL $20 FOR A CARLOAD OF PEOPLE WOULD BE A GREAT VALUE.I MEAN, WHERE ELSE ARE YOU GONNA TAKE YOUR FAMILY AND GET THAT KIND OF, UH, VALUE? AND, AND, AND EVEN THE SELLING POINT OF IT IS, IS THAT THESE FEES WILL REMAIN WITH HERITAGE TRAILS AND WILL WILL WORK TO IMPROVE THE TRAILS.
UM, THIS IS JUST MY THOUGHT ON HOW WE MIGHT, UH, ADDRESS THIS A LITTLE BIT.
UM, SUPERVISOR CONRAD, GO AHEAD.
UH, I HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT EARMARKING, UM, MONEY, SAY GENERATED FROM ONE PARK, JUST FOR THAT PARK.
WE'VE KIND OF GONE THROUGH THAT THOUGHT PROCESS, WHICH WITH ACKERMAN'S GROVE, UM, AND, YOU KNOW, CONSTITUENTS AROUND THAT AREA HAVE ACTUALLY, UM, MADE THAT SUGGESTION TOO FOR THE MONEY THAT ACKERMAN'S GROVE GENERATES FROM THE BEER GARDEN.
UM, SO THAT WE NEED TO BE A LITTLE CAREFUL WITH THAT AND SET SETTING THAT PRECEDENT AND THOSE DISCUSSIONS.
YEAH, AND I, AND I, I CERTAINLY CAN RESPECT THAT, BUT THE REASON WHY I, UM, WOULD CARVE IT OUT AS BEING DIFFERENT IS THAT THERE WASN'T A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT, UH, FOR MAKING ACKERMAN ACKERMAN'S GROVE, UH, HAVE THE BEER GARDENS AND ALL THE REST OF THAT.
WHEREAS THE TRAILS REQUIRE AN INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF MONEY TO BUILD AND MAINTAIN AND, AND GENERATE NEW, UH, NEW STUFF, WHICH IS WHAT BRINGS TO PEOPLE.
UM, AND, AND EVEN ACKERMAN'S GROVE'S BEST MONTH DOESN'T COMPETE WITH, UH, SOME OF HERITAGE TRAILS WEEKENDS.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THAT'S A REALLY BIG DIFFERENCE THERE.
UH, YOU KNOW, IS THE, IS THE OUTLAY FOR HERITAGE TRAILS.
THE, THE BIKE TRAILS IN PARTICULARLY IS A LOT GREATER THAN WHAT'S GOING ON AT ACKERMAN'S GROVE.
SO THAT'S WHY I PRESENTED IT THAT WAY.
UM, I NORMALLY WOULDN'T WANT TO EARMARK IT EITHER 'CAUSE WE WANT A SHARED REVENUE KIND OF THING.
UM, AND I, AND I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THAT.
UM, BUT I THINK THE QUESTION HERE SPECIFICALLY WITH HERITAGE TRAILS IS HOW DO WE MOVE THESE TRAILS FORWARD? HOW DO WE GET THESE, UH, WE, THERE'S A LOT OF BIKE TRAILS THAT WE HAVE IN OUR PLAN.
UM, AND, AND REALLY NO WAY TO FINANCE THAT.
I MEAN, HERITAGE MOUNTAIN BIKERS IS OBVIOUS, OR THE MOUNTAIN BIKERS, METRO MOUNTAIN BIKERS ARE OBVIOUSLY, UH, TAKING DONATIONS AND VOLUNTEERS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
UM, BUT THEY ARE UNDER A STRAIN.
I MEAN, AND I'M WELL AWARE OF THIS HAVING SPOKEN TO THEM, UM, THAT IT'S, IT'S A VERY DIFFICULT THING TO DO.
AND, AND, AND WE ALSO ARE KIND OF LOOKING AT IT LIKE, WELL, WE WANNA MAINTAIN THIS PARTNERSHIP.
WE THINK IT'S REALLY GOOD FOR OUR PARK SYSTEM AS A WHOLE.
UM, BUT GOING FORWARD, WE DO HAVE TO FIND NEW WAYS TO, UH, GET THAT, THOSE MOUNTAIN BIKE TRAILS BUILT TO DEVELOP THAT PARK MORE.
I DO BELIEVE THERE'S SO MUCH MORE POTENTIAL AT HERITAGE TRAILS THAN THERE IS AT ANY OF OUR OTHER PARKS, REALLY AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
GLACIER HILLS IS CERTAINLY ANOTHER PLACE THAT HAS A LOT OF POTENTIAL.
UM, BUT RIGHT NOW, THE, THE ONE THAT'S MOVING THE GOALPOST THE MOST IS HERITAGE TRAILS WITH THE, AND PARTICULARLY IT'S, IT'S THE METRO MOUNTAIN BIKERS AND METRO AND THE MOUNTAIN BIKE TRAILS.
UM, SO I THINK IT, IT WOULD REALLY BEHOOVE US TO TRY AND FIND A WAY TO MONETIZE AND CAPITALIZE ON THAT, UH, IN ORDER TO IMPROVE THOSE TRAILS.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU GET TO A POINT WHERE THEY'RE PROVIDING MUCH LIKE THE GOLF COURSE, UH, UH, A VERY NICE TIDY SUM OF MONEY TO ALL THE PARK SYSTEMS. SO, UM, ANYBODY ELSE HAVE COMMENTS ON THIS? ALL RIGHT.
WELL, JAMIE, I HOPE THAT GIVES YOU AT LEAST A COUPLE IDEAS.
I THOUGHT MAYBE YOU WEREN'T DONE.
AND, UH, UM, AND I HOPE THAT MAYBE METRO MOUNTAIN BIKERS, UH, GETS AN OPPORTUNITY TO LISTEN TO THIS VIDEO AND, AND SEE SOME OF THE THINGS WE'RE KICKING AROUND, UM, TO KNOW THAT WE DEFINITELY SUPPORT THEM IN THEIR MISSION AND, AND WHAT THEY'RE ABOUT.
AND, UH, WE CERTAINLY WANT THEM AS OUR PARTNER.
SO I THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO STATE.
UM, WITH THAT, THAT CONCLUDES OUR BUSINESS.
OUR NEXT MEETING DATE WILL BE AUGUST 21ST, 2025.
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WHY IS THE, I HAVE YOUR PROJECT OUT OF STATE ANALYSIS BECAUSE, AND I ASKED YOU FOLLOWED WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT, RIGHT? YEAH.SO THAT WAS A VERY GOOD QUESTION.
UM, I GUESS IT, UH, THE PUBLIC WORKS ASPECT OF IT, UM, WAS WHAT I WAS TOLD BY, UM, SURE, YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
'CAUSE IT'S, IT FALLS UNDER, UNDER, UM, OUR INSTITUTIONS, SO LIKE THIS BUILDING AND, YOU KNOW, SO IT, IT IS CONSIDERED LIKE, LIKE WORKING ON A BUILDING OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY IT ENDED UP I HAD THAT SAME QUESTION.
I WAS LIKE, WAIT A MINUTE, THIS, GO THROUGH ME.
THEN I HAD MY FINGER FOR A TENDON AND AIR SCOTT SAID, WELL, BECAUSE IT'S, IT ACTUALLY FALLS UNDER, I FELL RIGHT AFTER I HAD MY HIP DONE FOR BUILDING COMMISSION.
I BENT MY FINGER, BRILLIANT LINES THINK ALIKE, AND I STRETCHED THE TENDON IN THERE AND SHE LEFT.
MY GRANDDAUGHTER IS A OCCUPATIONAL THERAPIST FOR HANDS.
SO SHE CAME OVER THAT NIGHT AND PUT A, A SPLIT ON HER, AND THE NEXT DAY I WENT TO THE DOCTOR.
WELL, THAT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
SO MONDAY YOU GOTTA TAKE THIS OFF AND THEN I GOTTA WEAR A BRACE TO WEAN IT DOWN, BUT WOW.
HOW YOU DOING? YOU ARE MOVING.
I APOLOGIZE FOR BEING LATE BECAUSE THE TRAFFIC ON 33 COMING, IT'S, IT'S, YEAH.
AND WAY HOME
I THINK IT TOOK 20 MINUTES TO GET THROUGH TOWN.
I DID YOU GET OFF THE HIGHWAY? HIM? I SUFFERED THE SAME.
SO I CAME IN OFF OF, UH, UH, PARADISE.
I CAME IN ON PARADISE, WORKED MY WAY NORTH ON MAIN STREET, AND THEN THOUGHT I'D BE REALLY COOL AND SMART AND THEN TURN OFF OVER BY WATER, YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, GET UP THROUGH THAT WHOLE MESS.
AND IT WORKED A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, BUT YEAH, OVER BY, UH, 18TH AVENUE AND ALL THE REST OF THAT IS JUST ALL THE WAY DOWN NIGHTMARE.
AND THEN TO TRY TO GET IN OFF OF 33 INTO THE PARKING LOT HERE, THERE'S CARS TRYING TO TURN DOWN, UH, YEAH, INDIANA AND THERE'S CONSTANTLY CARS COMING PAST, YOU CAN'T TURN IN HERE.
'CAUSE THEY, WE ACTUALLY HAD TO WAIT, JUST THE LIGHT HAD TURNED RED AND THEN WE WERE IN THE INTERSECTION, SO WE WENT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE LOOKING GOOD, GETTING AROUND.
NO, UH, I'M WORKING ALL THE TIME AT HOME AND STUFF, AND I WAS UP TO WACK CREEK TO GET SOME PARTS FOR MY SON.
IS, UH, I A GOER TO GO AND GET THIS, GO GET THAT AND HELP MIX FEED IN THE MORNING AND FOUR IN THE MORNING.
WELL, YOU KNOW, YOU KNEW ROMAN WAGNER GENE'S, WE BURN.
HE HAD HIS HIP DONE AND THEN IT FELT SO GOOD, BUT HE JUST KEPT PUTTING OFF, PUTTING OFF, FOOTING OFF.
AND FINALLY THE DOCTOR SAID, YOU CAN'T PUT OFF GETTING THE OTHER ONE DONE.
HE SAYS, BECAUSE WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IS YOU'RE GONNA, YOU'RE GONNA SCREW UP ONE SIDE OF YOUR LEG SO BAD.
THEY WEREN'T GONNA DO IT FOR HIM BECAUSE HE WAITED TOO LONG.
WELL, THAT'S THE TROUBLE WITH ME.
I HAD THAT HEART ATTACK LAST MAY AND MY HIP STARTED BOTHERING ME LAST SUMMER AND THEN THEY SAID THEY THOUGHT IT HAD DETERIORATION OF THE BONE.
SO IT SAYS YOU BETTER USE A CANE SO YOU DON'T FALL AND BREAK THAT BONE BEFORE YOU CAN HAVE YOUR HIP DONE IN MAY.
'CAUSE I COULDN'T, I WAS A BLOOD THINNER AND THEY WOULDN'T DO IT UNTIL I'M OFF THE BLOOD THINNER.
SO IT HAPPENED TO MY SISTER-IN-LAW WITH HER HIP.
SO ACTUALLY WHEN THE DOCTOR DID MY HIP, NOW HE SAYS, YOU MUST DRINK A LOT OF MILK.
I SAYS, I DRANK MILK ALL MY LIFE CONSTANTLY.
HE SAYS, YOUR CALCIUM BUILD UP YOUR BONE.
I WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE AN APPOINTMENT WITH HIM IN TWO WEEKS HERE.
AND HE SAYS, IF YOU FEEL GOOD, JUST CALL ME UP AND CANCELED IT.
YOU KNOW, LOT DIFFERENT WASN'T, IT WAS LIKE, I WAS LIKE, MAN, HE'S LIKE MOVING RE LIKE RIDICULOUSLY GOOD.
I I'VE BEEN LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING YOU AT CHURCH AND YOU HAVEN'T BEEN THERE, WE JUST HAVEN'T SURE.
SO ANYWAY, YOU'RE LOOKING GOOD.
I'LL COME BACK THAT WE'LL EXPECT TO SEE MORE OF YOU.
I GOT A, I GOTTA WORK IN THE FARM BUREAU STAND ON THURSDAY.
SO WANTS, IT'S A NICE IMPROVEMENT ABILITY USED TO STUFF OUTSIDE.
THAT'S WHERE I EAT ALL AT THE FARM BUREAU STAND.
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BEST DEAL AT THE FAIR RIGHT THERE.NO, YOU GOTTA GO TO THE FOUR H STAND.
BUT THEN THEY GOTTA GET ME ONE OF THOSE HEROES AND SOME WISCONSIN FRIED CHEESE
THAT, UH,
YEAH, IT WAS JUST LIKE GOING TO NEW ORLEANS AND GETS YOUR BEIGNET.
YOU GOT JUST COVERED WITH POWDER SUGAR.
YOU KNOW, WE, YOU KNOW WHAT I NEED YOU TO DO WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU PULL THIS THING BY YOU, WHEN YOU GET IT, I WAS WATCHING ALL THE VIDEOS AND THE SOUND IS TERRIBLE.
AND UM, BUT I DID NOTICE THAT, WELL THAT SPEAKER OBVIOUSLY WORKS GREAT.
THEY GOT THAT THING CRANKED THAT WORKS FINE.
I CAN SIT BACK LIKE FOUR FEET AND PROBABLY DO BETTER.
BUT WHAT I DID NOTICE TOO IS THAT WE NEED PEOPLE TO MOVE THESE CLOSER TO THEM AND BRIAN SPEAKS SO SOFTLY.
YOU, YOU, WELL YOU MUST BE GOOD AT DOING A LOT OF PUBLIC SPEAKING AS YOU ALWAYS USUALLY DO PROJECT.
I USE MY OUTDOOR, BUT THIS THING WAS LIKE WAY OVER HERE AND I'M LIKE, I WONDER IF HE'S EVEN COMING OVER.
WELL, EVEN WHEN MIKE OR WHEN BRIAN USES THE MICROPHONE HERE.
YEAH, HE PUTS IT, AIMS IT RIGHT AT HIM.
BUT THEN HE TALKS TO THE SPEAKER OVER HERE,
OH, WELL I TRY AND CATCH IT, YOU KNOW, IN THE, UH, IN THE AMPS AND I'M TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, I WISH IT WERE BETTER, BUT WE ALREADY SPENT ALL THIS DAMN MONEY.
YEAH, WE AIN'T SPENDING NO MORE, I'LL TELL YOU THAT, BUT WELL, I GUESS I'M GONNA GO HOME AND HAVE SOME DINNER.
YEAH, I'M GONNA GO HAVE MY LOVELY SALAD
THAT'S ABOUT A LITTLE OVER 10, BETWEEN 10 AND 10 AND 12 POUNDS.
ANOTHER 25 TO GO, BUT YOU KNOW, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING ON SHUT US DOWN.
I DON'T KNOW IF SHE'S COMING BACK.
IT'S LIKE THERE'S A LAPTOP STILL ALL THE REST OF THE STUFF, BUT I'M LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT? THAT'S ABOVE OUR FAVORITE.
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