Sep 17, 2026 Land Use &amp; Planning Committee

I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS, UH, MEETING OF LAND USE AND PLANNING TO ORDER

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WASHINGTON COUNTY.

UM, WE HAVE NOTIFIED THIS AGENDA.

UH, IT WAS POSTED IN THE OFFICE OF THE COUNTY CLERK ON THE 11TH DAY OF MAY, SEPTEMBER, 2026.

NOTICE WAS SENT TO THE WASHINGTON COUNTY DAILY NEWS EXPRESS NEWS, W-I-B-D-W-M-B-Z RADIO, WTKM RADIO, MY COMMUNITY NOW HARTFORD TIMES PRESS, KI WASUM STATESMAN MILWAUKEE JOURNAL SENTINEL.

UH, WE HAVE A FULL QUORUM, UH, AND THE CHAIRMAN IS JOINING US TODAY.

WELCOME.

AND WE HAVE, UH, CONRAD ON ZOOM.

I'M NOT SURE IF WE GOT CAROL MARY YET ON THE PHONE, BUT HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET HIM.

UM, SO PLEASE RISE WITH ME FOR A MOMENT OF SILENT PRAYER AND THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

I PLEDGE BELIEVE YOU TO PLAY OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

COMMENT IN THE WRONG PLACE, THAT SORT

UM, FOR ANYBODY OUT THERE, PLEASE, UH, SILENCE YOUR PHONES IF YOU HAVE 'EM ON.

UH, WE ARE BEING RECORDED.

WE ARE ON ONLINE.

UM, WE DEFINITELY DON'T WANT TO HAVE INTERRUPTIONS AS THIS IS AN OFFICIAL MEETING OF WASHINGTON COUNTY.

UH, WE HAVE THE MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING PRINTED OUT.

UM, ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, ANY CHANGES, ANYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE REVIEWED,

[a. Minutes of August 20, 2026]

[a. Cost Sharing Contract – Gary R. Hefter & Rosanne K. Hefter Jt. Revocable Trust (LWRM_26_08) ]

OF THING.

SEEING NONE, I WILL CONSIDER THOSE AS ACCEPTED.

UM, WE GO TO THE CONSENT AGENDA WHERE WE HAVE A COST SHARING CONTRACT.

UH, THIS IS A, ANOTHER ONE OF OUR PASS THROUGH CONTRACTS.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING REGARDING IN THAT? ALL RIGHT, SEEING NONE, AND WE'LL CONSIDER THAT

[a. Recognition - Sandy Knoll Disc Golf Course - Top 10 Course in Wisconsin]

APPROVED AND PASSED THROUGH AND RIGHT AWAY.

LET'S START WITH SOMETHING GOOD, UH, RECOGNITION, SANDY K NOLL DISC GOLF COURSE TOP 10 COURSE IN WISCONSIN.

UM, FIRST I'D LIKE TO CONGRATULATE JOSH HAMMOND, THE ENTIRE RIVERSIDE DISC GOLF VOLUNTEER TEAM ON SANDY KNOLL DISC GOLF COURSE BEING RANKED SEVENTH OUT OF 471 COURSES IN WISCONSIN BY U DISC.

THIS ACHIEVEMENT IS A REFLECTION OF THE COUNTLESS HOURS OF HARD WORK, DEDICATION AND PASSION THAT JOSH, RICK NELSON, BRUCE WILKES, AND THE RIVERSIDE VOLUNTEERS HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO THE COURSE THAT ARE CONTINUED EFFORTS TO IMPROVE THE COURSE AND CREATE A GREAT EXPERIENCE FOR PLAYERS OF ALL SKILL LEVELS ARE TRULY APPRECIATED.

THANK YOU TO THE RIVERSIDE VOLUNTEERS, ESPECIALLY FOR BEING SUCH VALUABLE PARTNERS TO WASHINGTON COUNTY PARKS, AND CONGRATULATIONS ON THIS WELL-DESERVED RECOGNITION.

UM, OBVIOUSLY I'VE BEEN IN THIS ROLE NOW, THIS IS MY SECOND TERM, AND I'VE WORKED WITH HERITAGE TRAILS, DISC GOLF AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING OUT THERE.

AND ONE OF THE BIGGEST STRUGGLES THAT THEY HAVE, UH, IS GETTING THE VOLUNTEERS AND, AND KEEPING THINGS UP.

AND, AND THAT'S SOMETHING I COMMEND YOU GUYS FOR SO MUCH.

YOU GUYS REALLY RUN A WELL-OILED MACHINE, AND, AND I'VE KNOWN THAT SINCE MY LAST TERM.

UH, YOU'VE BEEN DOING A GREAT JOB OUT THERE AT SANDY NOLL, AND, UH, IT IS APPRECIATED.

SO YOU ARE SEEN.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT.

AND AT THIS TIME, WE'D LIKE TO INVITE JOSH, BRUCE AND, UH, THE OTHER DISC GOLF PEOPLE, UH, VOLUNTEERS TO COME UP FOR A PHOTO TO CAMATE THE, UH, ACHIEVEMENT.

BRING YOUR SIGNS.

YOU GUYS ALL WANT BE IN IT? I, YOU SOME PLANNING ? YEAH, I THINK WE SHOULD THE CHAIR.

YOU GUYS WANNA MAYBE JUST STAND LIKE RIGHT OVER HERE WITH THE BANNER? COME ON, BOB.

UPSIDE.

I DIDN'T WEAR MY GOOD SHIRT.

STAND BEHIND.

GO AHEAD.

LET'S WAIT FOR BRIAN.

EXCELLENT.

AWESOME.

1, 2, 3, 1 MORE CLOSER BECAUSE OF THE CHAIRS.

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THANK YOU, YOUR HEART.

APPRECIATE IT.

AND IT'S OUTSTANDING.

LOVE THE COURSE YOU PLAY.

I DON'T PLAY, BUT I DID ACTUALLY GO THROUGH A WALKTHROUGH OUT THERE, UH, UH, WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT DISC GOLF OVER AT HERITAGE TRAILS.

SO THAT ENDED UP BEING A, UH, SOMETHING I COULD LOOK AT AS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF HOW IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE DONE.

SO, YEAH, AND IT'S A LIFELONG SPORT.

YOU CAN, I'M 79 8 AND I'M STILL PLAYING, AND SO YOU CAN DO IT YOUR WHOLE LIFE.

IT'S REALLY ADVANTAGE.

I NEED IT WINTER TOO.

GET SOMETHING TO DO IN THE WINTER.

BY A PROPOSAL FROM RIVERSIDE DISC GOLF AND THE VOLUNTEERS.

I NEVER TRIED IT, SO I DUNNO.

, I NEVER WAS REAL GOOD WITH FRISBEE, SO NEVER, NEVER TOO YOUNG TO START.

ALL RIGHT, WE WILL MOVE ON, UH, TO ITEM FOUR B DISC GOLF NINE HOLE.

HOW'S THAT PRONOUNCED? ON FINGER? ON FINGER ON FINGER ON GERMAN FOR BEGINNER ON FINGER.

UH, ADDITION AT SANDY NOEL.

UM, SO WHO DO WE HAVE SPEAKING ON THAT? ALL RIGHT, UH, MS. LU, WE'LL BE SPEAKING ON THAT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

UM, SO YOU SEE IN YOUR PACKET THERE'S A REPORT FROM WASHINGTON COUNTY PARKS THAT IS ACCOMPANIED

[b. Disc Golf - 9 hole Anfanger (Beginner) addition at Sandy Knoll]

UM, WE HAVE REVIEWED IT AND ARE RECOMMENDING, UM, THAT WE AUTHORIZE THE USE OF THE LAND FOR THIS PURPOSE.

UM, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT JUST A MOTION FROM THIS COMMITTEE WOULD BE NECESSARY.

UM, YOU CAN SEE THE ONGOING LABOR COSTS TO THE CO COUNTY AND NOTE THE RECOMMENDATION THAT, UM, THEY PROCEED AS THEY, UM, HAVE STATED THAT THEY WOULD FI BASICALLY HELP FINANCE AND FUND THE CAPITAL EXPANSION OUT THERE.

UM, SO I, AT THIS POINT, I WANT TO, WOULD LIKE TO INVITE THAT.

ARE YOU ALL WHO'S, WHO'S GOING TO DO, UH, BRUCE? I'D LIKE TO INVITE BRUCE UP IF THAT'S OKAY, JUST TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT THE PROJECT IS AND, UM, I KNOW HE HAD GIVEN A SIMILAR PRESENTATION, UM, PREVIOUSLY.

WELCOME, WELCOME UP UP HERE.

UM, OKAY.

IF I SAY A FEW WORDS JUST ABOUT THE AWARD FIRST, UM, JUST SO PEOPLE KNOW, UM, IN 2020 THERE WERE 10,000 DISC GOLF COURSES WORLDWIDE IN 2025.

LAST YEAR THERE WERE 17,000 OF THOSE 17,000 IN THE, IN THE WORLD, 11,000 OF THOSE ARE IN THE UNITED STATES.

IN THE UNITED STATES, AS THE CHAIRPERSON MENTIONED, THERE'S 471 IN WISCONSIN.

WE'RE ONE OF THOSE.

WASHINGTON COUNTY HAS 12 COURSES, HERITAGE TRAILS, THE SANDY NOEL MAIN COURSE, AND THEN THE Y FANGER.

AND THEN THERE'S 11 OTHER NINE OTHER COURSES IN WASHINGTON COUNTY.

THERE'S 21 SUPERVISORS, EIGHT OF THE 21 SUPERVISORS HAVE AT LEAST ONE DISC GOLF COURSE IN THEIR DISTRICT.

SO THAT'S JUST A, A NICE THING TO KNOW.

UM, OUTTA THOSE 471 HALF OF THOSE ARE IN PARKS AND THE OTHER HALF ARE SPLIT EVENLY BETWEEN PRIVATE, UH, OPEN TO THE PUBLIC LIKE CAMELOT, THEY HAVE DISC GOLF, YOU CAN GO UP THERE NOW AND DISC GOLF, BUY A CART OR RENT A CART.

AND THEN SCHOOLS ARE, ARE ANOTHER BIG ONE.

SMALL COURSES ARE, ARE THE BIG, THE BIG INCREASE THAT'S HAPPENING ACROSS DISC GOLF U DISC IS THAT APP.

TWO GUYS OUT OF MINNESOTA CAME UP WITH THAT.

YOU USE THAT FOR SCORING, YOU USE THAT FOR FINDING A COURSE.

UM, AND YOU ALSO USE IT FOR RATING COURSES, UM, TALKING ABOUT THE UPKEEP.

THANKS FOR ALL THE KIND WORDS ABOUT THE WORK THAT WE DO OUT THERE.

UM, BUT WE ARE SCORING BETWEEN 4.8, 4.9 ON A FIVE POINT SCALE FOR THE UPKEEP AT SANDY.

NO, AND THAT'S, UH, THAT'S A RECOGNITION OF THE COUNTY STAFF, THE JAMIE'S STAFF, AND TO THE STUFF THAT WE'RE DOING OUT THERE AS WELL.

AND THEN THE COUNTY ALLOWING US TO USE THE LAND OUT THERE TOO.

SO THAT'S THAT.

UM, WHAT ELSE? AND THEN, UH, CHAIRMAN KELLY, YOU'VE GOT RIVERSIDE IN YOUR DISTRICT, SO YES.

VERY GOOD.

UH, YEAH, UH, LET'S SEE.

SO WE CURRENTLY HAVE 18 MAIN HOLES OUT AT SANDINO, AND THEN THERE'S NINE ON FANGER.

IT'S A BEGINNER COURSE.

IT'S AN INTRODUCTORY COURSE.

IF YOU THINK ABOUT, UH, BALL GOLF COURSES, THE PAR THREES ARE ABOUT 150 TO 200 YARDS ABOUT, UM, IF YOU THINK ABOUT DISC GOLF, ALL THE, THE, THE CURRENT NINE HOLES OUT THERE ARE ABOUT 200 FEET PER, SO YOU GOT 1800 FEET FOR A NINE HOLE.

IF YOU ADD ANOTHER NINE HOLES, THAT'S GONNA BE 18.

YOU GOT 3,600 FEET OF DISTANCE, THEN YOU GO ACROSS THE ROAD TO THE MAIN COURSE.

IF YOU PLAY FROM THE SHORT TEE PADS, YOU'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT 5,000 FEET.

AND IF YOU PLAY FROM THE LONG TEE PADS, YOU COULD BE LOOKING AT 8,000 FEET.

SO THAT'S

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THE BIG DIFFERENCE.

SO SOMEBODY WHO'S GETTING NEW INTO THE, INTO THE GAME, IT'S NICER TO YOUNGER KIDS PLAY SOME OF THOSE SHORTER COURSES LIKE THE ON ONGER.

SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE LOOKING TO ADD ANOTHER NINE HOLES TO THE ON FANGER.

AND IT'S ALSO, UH, PEOPLE LIKE TO PLAY 18 HOLES.

THEY WILL COME OUT AND PLAY NINE, BUT PEOPLE LIKE TO PLAY 18 HOLES.

UH, SO THAT'S THE REQUEST THERE.

UM, I YOU, YOU GUYS ALL HA YOU ALL HAVE THE PACKET.

I DIDN'T WANT TO GO THROUGH THE PACKET WORD FOR WORD.

UM, AND I DON'T, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, PLEASE ASK AS WE'RE GOING.

UM, THE COST, UH, THAT WAS IDENTIFIED TO PUT THE COURSE IN IS ABOUT SIX SIX $6,775.

UM, THAT WOULD ALL BE TAKEN CARE OF BY RIVERSIDE DISC GOLF, JOSH HAM.

UM, THE BIGGEST COST IS FOR THE DISC GOLF BASKETS, 3000 $150.

A THOUSAND OF THAT IS BEING GIVEN TO, UM, THE COURSE BY THE WISCONSIN DISC SPORTS AUTHORITY.

AND THEY ARE KIND OF THE GOVERNING BODY FOR TOURNAMENT GOLF IN THE STATE OF WISCONSIN.

AND THEY MAKE GRANT AWARDS TO VARIOUS COURSES THROUGHOUT THE STATE.

UM, AT THE END OF THE, UM, I SHOULD ALSO MENTION TOO, SANDY NOEL WAS THE 11TH BUSIEST COURSE IN THE STATE OF WISCONSIN LAST YEAR.

AND THIS IS DONE AGAIN BY U DISC.

THEY TRACK ALL THIS STUFF, ALL THE, AND I FORGOT TO MENTION TOO, WITH THE, UH, WITH THE, WITH THE AWARD FOR SEVENTH PLACE, THE WAY THEY DO THAT IS THEY TAKE, THEY'RE LOOKING ALL AT ALL OF THE REVIEWS AND SANDY NOLL NOW HAS OVER 2000 REVIEWS AND THEY HAVE AN ALGORITHM THAT GOES INTO THE, NOT ONLY THE, THE NUMBERS YOU ASSIGN, BUT ANY COMMENTS, THEY MUST BE PULL, THEY WON'T, I'VE ASKED, BUT THEY WON'T SAY, THEY MUST BE PULLING WORDS OUT.

LIKE IF YOU GET, YOU KNOW, GOOD COMPLIMENTS, THEY PULL THOSE WORDS OUT, IT GETS ADDED UP IN SOME WAY AND YOU END UP WITH THAT, WITH THAT RANKING.

THERE'S ALSO THE TOP 100 IN EACH IN THE COUNTRY.

SO IT'D BE NICE IF WE'RE LOOKING TO JUST MAYBE MOVE UP NEXT YEAR.

UM, FOR THE ON FANGER, UM, THERE WERE 700 AND 707 370 NEW PLAYERS LAST YEAR.

UH, PART OF YOUR PACKET INCLUDES AN IMPACT REPORT FOR THE ON FANGER FROM LAST YEAR AND ALSO FOR SANDY NOLL.

SO IT JUST SHOWS YOU HOW MUCH RECREATION, HOW MANY STEPS ARE BEING TAKEN, HOW MANY THROWS ARE BEING MADE, HOW MANY MILES ARE BEING WALKED.

AND I GUESS THAT'S REALLY ABOUT IT.

UH, I SHOULD TALK THE MAP.

DID YOU GUYS, YOU GUYS GET THE COLOR MAP? IS IT COLOR ON YOUR PACKET? YEAH.

OH, SO YOU GOT THAT.

SO IF WE JUST LOOK AT THAT FOR A SECOND, JUST SO YOU GET A SENSE OF WHERE THIS COURSE IS GOING.

IF YOU, I ASSUME YOU HAVE THE MAP PULLED UP.

SO IF WE'RE LOOKING AT THE BOTTOM OF THE MAP, UM, AND YOU SEE THE BLUE, THE BLUE OR THE TPAS, AND THEN THE ORANGE ARE THE NEW ONES.

SO ON THE BOTTOM LEFT, THAT'S WHERE THE DOG PARK IS.

THAT'S WHERE THE ENTRANCE IS.

AND THEN THE ORIGINAL NINE ARE UP THERE.

THE REASON NUMBERING DOESN'T GO THAT 17, 18, THE HOLES ARE GONNA BE RENUMBERED A LITTLE BIT, BUT ALL THE ORANGE ONE, THAT'S THE, THAT IS THE REQUEST OF THE COUNTY TO ADD THAT ADDITIONAL NINE HOLES.

STAFF HAS WALKED IT, AS JAMIE SAID, THAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH WHERE IT IS.

IT DOESN'T LIKE CROSS WALKING PATHS, WHICH IS KIND OF A NO-NO AND GO DISC GOLF DESIGN.

UM, AND THEN WE WERE ASKING FOR LAWN MOWING FOR HOLES EIGHT, IT'D BE FOR 8, 8, 9, 10, 15, AND 16.

THE OTHER ONES WOULDN'T NEED ANY LAWN MOWING.

SO UNLESS THERE'S QUESTIONS, THAT WAS PRETTY MUCH COVERS IT.

UH, DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMITTEE? HE ANSWERED? OKAY.

UM, I GUESS MORE OF A STATEMENT, WELL, I'LL GO AHEAD AND ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

FIRST, UH, MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, THE SANDY K NODE DISC GOLF COURSE.

UH, EXPANSION FOR THE ON FINGER ON FINGER, UH, EXPANSION.

SUPERVISOR KREBS.

SUPERVISOR HARTWIG, HE SNUCK ONE IN ON YOU THERE, BOB.

UM, FURTHER DISCUSSION.

UH, ALL APPROVING PLEASE SAY AYE.

I WOULD LIKE TO AT LEAST MAKE A STATEMENT.

UM, I FULLY SUPPORT THIS PLAN AND I WILL TELL YOU EXACTLY WHY.

BECAUSE WHEN I SHOWED UP THERE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE JOB THAT YOU WERE DOING ON THE DISC GOLF COURSE AT SANDY NOLL, THAT IMPRESSED ME SO MUCH THAT THAT'S ALL VOLUNTEER WORK AND, AND KEEPING IT UP AND MAKING SURE IT'S DONE RIGHT AND HAVING THAT MANY BE PEOPLE AVAILABLE FOR VOLUNTEERS IS WHAT PUTS YOU OVER THE TOP.

NICE.

SO I'M GIVING YOU A LITTLE THANK YOU IDEA IN MY THOUGHT PROCESS OF HOW THINGS WORK AROUND HERE.

WHEN YOU SHOW RESULTS, YOU GET RESULTS.

GLAD YOU CAME OUT TO LOOK AT IT.

THAT'S GREAT.

SO,

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OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT.

IT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY WITH CONRAD.

I I SAW YOU, PAM.

I GOTCHA.

SO DOES THIS GO TO THE COUNTY BOARD OR DO WE NOPE.

CAN WE START TOMORROW? JUST GOT APPROVED.

WELL, YOU GOTTA TALK TO JAMIE AND HER STAFF ABOUT THAT .

THEY'RE EAGER.

WE GET YOU CHAIRS ARE EAGER, THAT'S FOR SURE.

ALRIGHT, WE WILL MOVE ON TO, UH, ITEM FOUR C 2026 ORDINANCE ON ORDINANCE TO AMEND SECTIONS 22 5 7 DASH 3 2 5 7 DASH FOUR OF THE COUNTY CODE.

THANK, BUT YEAH, I'M SURE HER STAFF WILL HANDLE THAT PORTION FOR YOU.

[c. 2026 Ordinance – An Ordinance to amend Sections 257-3, 257-4, 257-5 and 257-6 relating to: Procedure, Preliminary Plat, Final Plat and General Requirements and Design Standards]

AND WHO'S SPEAKING ON THAT? OH, WAIT A MINUTE.

THERE'S MORE TO IT.

2 2 5 7 DASH 5 2 5 7 DASH SIX RELATING TO PROCEDURE, PRELIMINARY PLAT, FINAL PLAT AND GENERAL REQUIREMENTS AND DESIGN STANDARDS.

HEY, MR. BAAS RIGHT HERE.

THANK YOU, SIR.

UH, I GOT IT MOSTLY WRITTEN OUT IN THE COMMITTEE REPORT, BUT A QUICK SUMMARY OF IT IS THERE WAS A STATE ACT IN 2025 THAT PASSED THAT KIND OF CHANGED UP A LITTLE BIT OF PROCEDURE WISE OF HOW WE HANDLE THE LAND DIVISION ORDINANCE.

HISTORICALLY, HOW THE WE'VE HANDLED IT IS THAT WE, WHEN A DEVELOPER COMES IN AND LOOKS TO DO A LAND DIVISION BY SUBMITTING A SUBDIVISION PLAT, WE KIND OF EXPECT ALL THE I'S TO BE DOTTED AND THE T'S TO BE CROSSED.

BUT THIS CHANGE IN THE STATE ACT REQUIRED THAT WE COULD NO LONGER DO THAT AT THE PRELIMINARY PLAT PHASE.

THAT WE COULD ONLY REQUIRE THAT BY THE FINAL PLAT STAGE.

SO A DEVELOPER COULD SUBMIT ITEMS THAT ARE PRELIMINARY IN NATURE AND THAT THAT WOULD, WE WOULD STILL BE REQUIRED TO BRING THAT TO YOU FOR A VOTE AT THAT POINT.

AND LONG AS WE WERE OPENING UP THE ORDINANCE, LIKE AS PART OF GETTING A LITTLE FAMILIAR WITH IT, THERE WAS SOME COMPONENTS OF THE ORDINANCE THAT WERE DEALING WITH LIKE INTERSECTIONS AND HOW THE LAND DIVISION CODE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE LOOKING AT THAT AND HANDLING IT THAT WEREN'T, I THINK WORKING VERY WELL WITH EXISTING LIKE STATE, COUNTY AND TOWN KIND OF CODE RE ROAD REGULATIONS.

SO WE KIND OF TOOK OUT SOME OF THAT LANGUAGE THAT DOESN'T, WAS, WASN'T WORKING PARTICULARLY WELL WITH THAT AFTER CONSULTING WITH THE COUNTY HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT AND IS ZONING ADMINISTRATOR THAT COVERS A FAIR AMOUNT OF THE TOWNS IN THE COUNTY.

SO HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS BY THE COMMITTEE SUPERVISOR KREBS? THANK YOU.

THE PRELIMINARY PLOT PLAT SECTION.

IN THE PAST, WOULD WE, HAS IT BEEN WASHINGTON COUNTY'S POLICY NOT TO ACCEPT THOSE AND LIKE, I GUESS WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE ADVANTAGE OF ACTUALLY TAKING FOR A VOTE RIGHT AWAY VERSUS JUST MORE OF A CONSULTATION WITH STAFF FOR, YOU KNOW, PRELIMINARY REVIEW? UH, I THINK IN THE CODE THERE IS THAT WE ENCOURAGE A DEVELOPER TO, TO KIND OF MEET WITH US AND THAT WE WOULD COORDINATE LIKE A, A PRE-APPLICATION MEETING IN WHICH WE WOULD INVITE KIND OF EVERYONE THAT WOULD HAVE LIKE A SEAT AT THE TABLE AT THAT.

WHERE LIKE YOU'D INVITE, TYPICALLY YOU TRY AND INVITE THE TOWN, LET'S SAY IF IT WOULD BE GOING OUT ONTO LIKE A STATE HIGHWAY OR A COUNTY HIGHWAY, YOU WOULD TRY AND BRING IN LIKE THE, PER THE PERSON THAT WOULD HANDLE THE ACCESS PERMITTING.

REALLY JUST LIKE YOU KIND OF POOL EVERYONE TOGETHER THAT WOULD HAVE A SAY IN WHETHER OR NOT THIS PROJECT WOULD ADVANCE.

AS PART OF IT YOU TRY AND GET THEIR OPINION ON THE FRONT END.

WE GIVE YOU MAYBE TWO OR THREE ITEMS THAT YOU WOULD MAYBE HAVE TO ADDRESS MAYBE, OR THEY COULD BE NONE.

AND THEN THE PRELIMINARY PLAT PHASE IS THEN USUALLY BEFORE WE BRING IT TO YOU, WE'RE EXPECTING THEM TO FIGURE OUT LIKE ALL THE STORM WATER, KIND OF HOW THAT WOULD WORK FOR THE SITE WITH, WITH US DOING IN JUST IN THE TOWNS IT WOULD BE THE SEPTIC WHERE THAT WOULD BE LOCATED.

AND THEN THERE'S KIND OF A LIST OF OTHER ITEMS IN THERE TOO OF KIND OF LIKE ROAD ACCESS WOULD BE A BIG ONE AND THAT IT WOULD TYPICALLY, IT WOULD GO TO THE TOWN AND THEN WOULD COME TO US TOO.

SO THIS JUST RE JUST KIND OF, UH, CREATED A DIFFERENT PROCESS FOR IT.

BUT WITH THIS PRELIMINARY APPROVAL, DOES THAT HELP OR SPEED UP THE PROCESS FOR OTHER APPROVALS WITH THEM? OR LIKE WHAT'S THE ADVANTAGE OF HAVING IT EVEN? UH, I WOULD SAY THAT HOW THE CODE WAS WRITTEN CURRENTLY IS THAT YOU GET THROUGH THE PRELIMINARY PLAT,

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AND THEN IF YOU ADDRESS THOSE, IT WAS KIND OF FORMALITY FOR THE FINAL PLAT TO BE APPROVED.

NOW THE PRELIMINARY PLAT IS SOMEBODY COULD COME IN WITHOUT KIND OF DOTTING ALL THE, I'S CROSSING ALL THE T'S AND IT WOULD ADVANCE A STEP FORWARD.

I, IN THEORY, I THINK IT'S POSSIBLE THAT A DEVELOPER COULD GET FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD TO, FROM THE PRELIMINARY PLAT TO THE FINAL PLAT AND MAYBE SPEND MORE TIME ON THIS DEVELOPMENT BEFORE IT'S KIND OF MORE CHANGES THAT NEED TO BE MADE.

I COULD SEE THERE BEING A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME LIKE THIS MIGHT SLOW DOWN THE PROCESS AND TIME PRO AT POINTS, BUT IF, IF THEY GO THAT ROUTE, THEY DON'T YEAH, IT'S, THEY WON'T BE REQUIRED TO GET A PRELIMINARY APPROVAL IF THEY DON'T WANT.

THEY THEY HAVE TO, THEY, YEAH, YOU NEED TO GET A PRELIMINARY PLAT REVIEW AFTER THAT'S APPROVED THEN IT, IN THE PAST A PRELIMINARY PLAT WOULD COVER YOU FOR LIKE, THAT WOULD BE KIND OF, EVERYTHING'S KIND OF ALL THE I'S DOTTED T'S CROSSED, THINGS ARE FIGURED OUT NOW YOU'VE GOT, YOU GET THE PRELIMINARY PLAT, YOU HAVE THAT APPROVED NOW YOU STILL GOT A FIGURE OUT, YOU COULD STILL NEED TO FIGURE OUT QUITE A FEW MORE THINGS YET BEFORE YOU COULD PHYSICALLY BUILD THE ROAD OR PUT ANY OF THE OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE IN THAT'S NEEDED FOR A SUBDIVISION.

WOULD THIS BE HELPFUL TO THE DEVELOPER HAVING THE PRELIMINARY APPROVAL FOR JUST LIKE DOT APPROVALS OR STATE APPROVALS ON THE SUBDIVISION? MM.

OR ARE THOSE STILL HELD UP UNTIL I DON'T KNOW WHERE? YEAH.

THOSE PROCESS ARE INDEPENDENT PROCESS.

LIKE, LIKE WE WOULD BE LIKE BEFORE WE WOULD, LIKE IN THE PAST I THINK, THINK WE'VE HAD ONE COME THROUGH HERE WHERE, WHERE A DEVELOPER HAD TO STILL WORK ON THEIR ACCESS PERMIT FROM THE DOT AND THEN WE MADE A CONTINGENCY OF THE FINAL PLAT APPROVAL.

SO IT JUST WOULD PROBABLY MEAN THAT YOU MIGHT END UP HAVING, INSTEAD OF THERE BEING ONE TO TWO CONTINGENCIES FOR THE FINAL PLAT YOU MIGHT END UP WITH MIGHT END UP BEING LIKE SIX TO SEVEN NOW.

'CAUSE WE JUST GOTTA BE COVERING PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING AS WITH IT.

I DO BELIEVE THAT WE JUST DID ONE WHERE WE GAVE AN APPROVAL ON A PORTION OF IT, BUT THERE WAS, UH, SEVERAL ITEMS THAT STILL NEEDED TO BE ADDRESSED AND, AND THAT WAS THE LAST MEETING.

SO, UM, SO IT KIND OF GIVES AN, UM, AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AND THE REST OF THIS, I THINK IT, WOULD IT BE FAIR TO SAY IS THIS IS LANGUAGE CLEANUP, UH, TO ALIGN OURSELVES WITH THE STATE STATUTES? YEP.

WE ARE YEP.

ALIGNING WITH WHAT THE STATE REQUIRES US TO DO FOR LAND DIVISION.

ANY MORE QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMITTEE? ALL RIGHT.

SEEING NONE, I WILL, UH, ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

MOTION BY SUPERVISOR K CRIBS, , SECONDED BY SUPERVISOR HARTWIG.

HE GOT IN ON HERE.

YAY.

AGAIN, BOB .

ALRIGHT, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS TOPIC? ALL RIGHT.

SEEING NONE ALL WILL SIGNIFY BY SAYING A I AYE.

OPPOSED THE AYES HAVE IT.

THANK YOU MR. PKIS.

APPRECIATE IT.

ALL RIGHT, MOVING ON.

THE, UH, AQUATIC INVASIVE SPECIES, HANG ON, LET ME GET THIS UP HERE.

UH, PREVENTION AND CONTROL.

AND YOU ARE SPEAKING ON THIS AGAIN, PAUL? YES.

ALL RIGHT, PLEASE GO AHEAD.

WE SHARE, UH, A POSITION WITH WAUKESHA COUNTY, OUR A A S COORDINATOR AND, UH, IT'S SPLIT HALFTIME BETWEEN WASHINGTON COUNTY, HALFTIME, BETWEEN WAUKESHA COUNTY.

AND THAT POSITION IS FUNDED BY A COMBINATION OF COUNTY LEVY, THE DNR GRANTS THAT ARE IN FRONT OF YOU TO BE APPROVED TODAY.

AND, UH, DONATIONS FROM THE LAKE LAKE GROUPS.

SO EVERY YEAR THE DNR PUTS OUT THESE GRANT APPLICATIONS AS PART OF THEIR REQUIREMENT FOR THE GRANT IS WE HAVE TO HAVE A RESOLUTION THAT GOES TO THE COMMITTEE AND THE COUNTY BOARD.

SO, ALL RIGHT.

I WOULD ALSO NOTE THIS IS A IS AQUATIC INVASIVE SPECIES NOT AGRICULTURAL AND INDUSTRIAL SOCIETY, WHICH IS ALSO PART OF, BOY, THE GOVERNMENT JUST LOVES A GOOD ACRONYM.

I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, AND WE SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO COPY 'EM OR REASON THEM .

THIS RESOLUTION AND THE IMPORTANCE TOO OF THIS PREVENTION AND TRULY ALL THE, AND THERE'S SO MUCH MORE, UM, VOLUNTEER HOURS THAT GO IN TO AQUATIC BASIS SPECIES IN OUR COUNTY AND ESPECIALLY OUR TRI LAKES AREA.

UH, ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS PARTICULAR TOPIC? ALL RIGHT, SEEING NONE, I'M GONNA ENTERTAIN A, A MOTION .

THERE YOU GO, BOB HARTWICK WILL MOTION, AND THIS CHAIR WILL SECOND THAT MOTION.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS TOPIC? AND THIS SUPERVISOR CONRAN? YES, PLEASE GO AHEAD.

SORRY, I JUST, I JUST WANNA MAKE A COMMENT TO, IN SUPPORT OF

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AND I, MYSELF TOO, HAVE PARTICIPATED IN SOME OF THAT, UM, PHYSICALLY SO, UM, BUT THERE'S, YOU KNOW, HUNDREDS OF HOURS OF VOLUNTEER, UH, UM, FROM OUR COMMUNITY THAT IS PUT INTO THIS EFFORT ALSO.

AND I WAS GOING TO ACTUALLY POINT OUT I REMEMBER YOU DOING THAT STARRY STONE WART POLL, UH, OUT AT LITTLE CEDAR AND STUFF.

SO, UM, I APPRECIATE THAT.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS TOPIC? ALL RIGHT.

SEEING NONE, THE CHAIR WILL ENTER, UH, WILL CALL FOR A VOTE, UH, ALL SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AND WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM E, UH, CONSERVATION AND HERITAGE FRAMEWORK FOLLOW UP.

OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT.

THE AYES HAVE IT,

[d. 2026 Resolution – Grant Application – Aquatic Invasive Species Prevention and Control]

[e. Conservation & Heritage Framework (Follow-up)]

THAT WOULD BE YOU, JAMIE.

IT IS, THIS IS A CARRYOVER FROM THE PRIOR MEETING, AND I THINK THAT YOUR CHIEF OF STAFF INCLUDED A COUPLE VERSIONS, UH, PROPOSED BY MYSELF AS WELL AS SUPERVISOR KREBS, UM, FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND DISCUSSION.

QUESTIONS BY THE COMMITTEE? ALL RIGHT.

WE WILL TAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE FRAMEWORK AND A SECOND TO COMMENCE DISCUSSION.

WILL THERE BE A MOTION? MOTION BY SUPERVISOR KREBS? SECONDED BY SUPERVISOR HARDWIG.

SO WE HAVE, UH, AN ALTERNATIVE, UH, PROPOSAL.

UM, DID YOU GET A CHANCE TO REVIEW THAT? I WROTE IT.

AND THERE'S, THERE'S TWO OF THEM.

YEAH, THERE'S, SO THERE'S TWO OF THEM HERE IN THE, IF, IF YOU MIND CHAIR, I GO AHEAD.

UH, IN THE PACKET, IT'S LOOKING AT THE FRAMEWORK, IT'S THE PDF PAGE 35.

WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ALTERNATIVES FOR THE LAST, UM, THE LAST SECTION OF THE POINT SCORING, WHICH IS IN ALL BLUE, AND IT'S LIKE THE HOLY HILL VIEW SHED, JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE OF WHERE THIS LANGUAGE IS PROPOSED FOR YOU.

PAGE 35, BOB? YEAH, IT'S, UH, YOU'RE WORKING OFF THE PUBLIC SIDE, AREN'T YOU? YES.

SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT SIDE PAGE, PAGE FIVE OF THE ACTUAL PDF DOCUMENT ON THE BOTTOM CENTER OF IT.

OF THE, OF THE, OF THE, UM, OF THE ACTUAL FRAMEWORK DOCUMENT RIGHT HERE.

IS THAT THE, IT TAKES A SECOND TO LOAD.

GIVE BEAR WITH ME.

IT'S .

IT'S NOT EXACTLY A QUICK PROCESS RIGHT THERE.

YEAH, RIGHT THERE.

YEAH, THIS IS DEFINITELY NOT RIGHT.

UH, AND THAT'S YOUR AMENDMENT? YES.

ALRIGHT.

UM, SO WE HAVE AN ALTERNATE VERSION THAT'S BEEN PROPOSED, UM, FROM THE ORIGINAL VERSION.

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AND THAT'S, THAT'S BASED OFF OF, AFTER REVIEWING OVER AND OVER AGAIN, THE, THE GOALS OF THIS FRAMEWORK THAT, THAT WE HAD LAID OUT FOR THIS PROGRAM.

AND REALLY THREE OUTTA THE FOUR GOALS, ADDRESS WATER QUALITY TYPE ISSUES MM-HMM .

UH, THE, THE FOURTH GOAL IS CONSERVING OF OPEN SPACES PRODUCT, UH, CONSERVING OPEN SPACES, PRODUCTIVE FARMLAND AND RURAL HERITAGE.

AND SO MY PROPOSAL REALLY IS JUST TO NOT LIMIT THE BONUS POINTS FOR THE SCORING TO HOLY HILL, BUT TO OPEN IT UP BASICALLY TO ANY, ANY OF THE PROPOSALS, IF THERE'S ANY, UH, ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF KIND OF THE WATER RELATED ISSUES THAT THEY WANT TO HIGHLIGHT FOR THEIR PROPOSAL.

UM, JAMIE HAS PROPOSED, UH, SOME COMPROMISE LANGUAGE, SO I GUESS ASK HER TO TALK, WHAT'S THAT? ASK HER TO TALK.

UH, JAMIE, COULD YOU GO AHEAD AND, AND PLEASE PRESENT ON THAT? UM, SURE.

SO I THINK, UM, SUPERVISOR KREBS IS CLOSE.

I THINK THAT IDEALLY, SIMPLY PUTTING THE WORDS I, AND, AND MAYBE MY EXAMPLE WAS, WAS MORE DETAILED, PUTTING THE WORDS IN PARENTHESES IE SCENIC VIEWS OF HOLY HILL, UM, WHICH IS PROBABLY HOW WE WOULD DESCRIBE THIS CRITERIA IF ASKED BY OUR APPLICANTS ANYWAY, WHEN THEY WONDER WHAT WERE, WHAT DO THEY MEAN WITH THIS, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE TYPES OF EXAMPLES, UM, WOULD SHORTEN THIS CONVERSATION.

UM, I THINK WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS, AGAIN, THIS GENERATED FROM RESIDENTS WHO WERE SPECIFICALLY LOOKING AT HOW DO THEY PRESERVE OPEN SPACE IN THE RURAL HERITAGE AREA OF HOLY HILL.

UM, AND SO THAT NOT BEING LOST IS IMPORTANT TO US, WHICH IS WHY WE WERE PROPOSING, UM, UNDERSTANDING YOUR INTENT THAT THERE COULD BE OTHER THINGS, BUT ALSO WANTING TO PRESERVE THE INCLUSION OF THAT LANGUAGE SPECIFICALLY SOMEHOW.

UM, SO THIS IS A COMPROMISE APPROACH, I THINK.

UM, IT, IT, IT, IT CERTAINLY TAKES YOUR POINT OF VIEW IN, UM, BUT ALSO, UH, IT'S NOT SPECIFIC THEN TO HOLY HILL.

THERE COULD BE OTHER CRITERIA.

I THINK IT'S WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO HERE, JAMIE.

CORRECT.

AND THEN SUPERVISOR KREB'S VERSION IS SLIGHTLY MORE SUCCINCT, WHICH IS POSITIVE, UM, AND, AND YET DOES NOT INCLUDE THE SPECIFIC EXAMPLE OF HOLY HILL.

RESOLUTION ON THIS, I APPRECIATE ACTUALLY THE SIMPLER LANGUAGE.

SO THERE, THERE, THAT WOULD BE MY COMMENT ON HIS RESPONSE TO MY COMPROMISE.

UM, ARE YOU AMENDABLE TO THIS COMPROMISE? I LIKE MINE BETTER ? I, I, I CAN LIVE WITH EITHER ONE.

I JUST THINK THAT JAMIE'S VERSION, IT, IT'S HOLY HILL PRIMARY.

ANY OTHER SITES ARE KIND OF A SECONDARY AFTERTHOUGHT.

I I, MINE, I WAS TRYING TO LEAVE IT JUST MORE OPEN FOR ALL APPLICANTS, FOR WHATEVER THEY WANT TO THINK IS UNIQUE ABOUT THEIRS.

SO WITH HOLY ONE MOMENT, SUPERVISOR CONRAD, LET ME FINISH MY THOUGHT BEFORE I LOSE IT.

UM, WITH HOLY HILL BEING USED AS AN EXAMPLE HERE, THEN IT DOESN'T DIMINISH ANY OTHER POSSIBILITY THAT YOU MIGHT BE SAYING.

WOULD THAT BE A, A FAIR STATEMENT, MS. LUDOVIC? I, I WOULD SAY BOTH YOUR STATEMENT AND SUPERVISED SUPERVISOR KREBS STATEMENT IS PROBABLY TRUE.

IT WAS THEIR INTENT TO MAKE HOLY HILL THE FOCUS WITH THE IDEA THAT, OR, AND THERE COULD ALSO BE OTHER THINGS THAT MEET THIS CRITERIA.

SO IT INVITES A LITTLE BIT MORE OF WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THAT THERE COULD BE OTHER THINGS, MAYBE LAKE VIEWS OR CERTAIN THINGS LIKE THAT.

UM, WHILE ALSO RECOGNIZING THAT HOLY HILL IS ONE OF THE MAJOR, UH, VANTAGE POINTS OF, OF, OF OUR COUNTY, IT'S CERTAINLY, UM, I WOULD DARE SAY PROBABLY THE NUMBER ONE, UM, SUPERVISOR CONRAD, WOULD YOU PLEASE CHIME IN ON THIS? YES, THANK YOU.

I, I, AS THE AUTHOR OF THE ORIGINAL

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AND I, I DO HAVE, YOU KNOW, CONCERNS TOO THAT PEOPLE, UM, MAYBE THEY'LL, YOU KNOW, UM, FEEL LIKE, OH, DO I NOT FIT THE, YOU KNOW, THE POTENTIAL WHY BEHIND THIS AND MIGHT NOT, UM, YOU KNOW, SUBMIT FOR, FOR THE GRANT.

UM, YOU KNOW, JUST WRITE, YOU KNOW, WRITING POLICIES AND THINGS MYSELF AND, AND HEALTHCARE O OVER THE YEARS, YOU, YOU WANNA BE, I KNOW THAT'S A LITTLE FINE LINE THAT WE'RE KIND OF STRAGGLING HERE.

UM, IT ISN'T, YOU KNOW, YES, HOLY HILL IS, IS BEAUTIFUL.

IT'S, UM, WE ALWAYS LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT IT, BUT I DON'T THINK IT, UM, SHOULD BE HIGHLIGHTED IN PARTICULAR, UM, IN THIS FORMAT.

AND SO I BELIEVE THAT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, IN JAMIE'S, UH, VERSION IS, IS KIND OF TONING DOWN.

IT'S NOT JUST HOLY HILL AND IT INCORPORATES, UH, SUPERVISOR KREBS, UM, LANGUAGE MORE OR LESS TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THERE MAY BE OTHER THINGS AS WELL.

UM, SO THAT'S, I GUESS WHERE, UM, I'M TRYING TO FIND A BALANCE HERE BECAUSE I LIKE THE FACT THAT, UH, HOLY HILL, UM, I THINK SHOULD THE, THE, THE UNIQUENESS OF IT IS, IS IT SHARES A VERY HIGH VANTAGE POINT.

AND TO CERTAIN LANDOWNERS, ESPECIALLY IN YOUR AREA, SUPERVISOR CONRAD, YOU KNOW, THEY VALUE, UH, THAT VIEW OF HOLY HILL.

AND TO HAVE A HIGH RISE PUT IN OR SOMETHING I, I CAN'T IMAGINE WOULD BE VERY FAVORABLE TO ANYBODY.

UM, BUT THERE AGAIN, TO SUPERVISOR KREBS POINT BLOCKING, YOU KNOW, UM, OTHER VIEWS OR WHATEVER MIGHT ALSO BE A CONSIDERATION AS WELL.

JUST, YOU KNOW, FURTHER ON THAT THOUGHT TOO, IT, YOU KNOW, WE'D KIND OF BE SETTING A, A POTENTIAL PRECEDENT THROWING IN AN EXAMPLE.

WE DON'T THROW IN, YOU KNOW, EXAMPLES ON, YOU KNOW, ALL, ALL OTHER RESOLUTIONS AND, AND YOU KNOW, DOCUMENTS.

SO JUST KIND OF THINKING, YOU KNOW, BIGGER PICTURE, KINDA LIKE POLICY ON POLICIES.

UM, WHAT REALLY SHOULD, UH, BE INCLUDED, HOW THINGS SHOULD BE FORMATTED, YOU KNOW, A STANDARD.

UM, ALRIGHT, WELL LET ME MOVE ON TO CHAIRMAN SCH LIFE AND, UH, HAVE HIS INPUT.

I'M ON THE FENCE.

I THINK KEEPING IT SIMPLE IS GOOD.

AND WHEN I LOOK AT, WHEN YOU SAY HOLY HILL VIEW SHED ZONE AND IT'S ALL CAPITALIZED, YOU'RE REALLY FOCUSING ON THAT.

AND I, WE ALL LOVE HOLY HILL.

THAT'S NOT THE POINT, BUT I THINK THAT KIND OF TENDS TO LESSEN ANY OTHER SCENIC VIEWS.

UM, I'VE BEEN DOING PICTURE PUZZLES A LOT LATELY IN ANY FALL PICTURE WITH ALL THE COLORS IS BEAUTIFUL, UM, YOU KNOW, AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO HAVE HOLY HILL OR ANY CHURCH OR ANYTHING ELSE IN IT.

SO, UM, I THINK I'M GONNA STAY OUTTA THIS VOTE BECAUSE I THINK EITHER ONE IS FINE.

UM, THE CHIEF, I THINK THE CHIEF PUBLIC WORKS OFFICER ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT KIND OF HAS A SPOT OUR KIND OF COMMUNITY PLANNING WHERE WE GO THROUGH THE SCORING CRITERIA.

UM, ALL RIGHT, WELL, I MEAN, WHEN I LOOK AT THE BONUS SYSTEM HERE, UH, JAMIE, THE BONUS IS, SO THE, THE HOLY HILL VIEW SHED, WHAT, I MEAN, HOW MANY POINTS OR WHAT KIND OF POINT VALUE WOULD THAT HAVE? OR IS IT JUST LIKE USED AS A TIE BREAKER IN CASE YOU MIGHT HAVE TWO OR THREE PROPERTIES OR WHATEVER THAT MIGHT BE? HOW IS THAT DONE, SUPERVISOR? HANG ON A MINUTE.

YES.

WELL, THE PRO, SO THE PROCESS IS OUTLINED, LET ME FIND THE PAGE ON EXACTLY HOW IT'S DONE.

BUT ESSENTIALLY THIS, THE APPLICATIONS WILL CONTINUE TO BE SCORED TECHNICALLY ON THE POINTS.

MOST OF THOSE CATEGORIES ARE VERY, YOU KNOW, YOU GET ONE, THREE OR FIVE POINTS BASED ON THIS CATEGORY, ZERO OR 5 0 5 0 5.

UM, AND THEN THERE IS A, A KIND OF A, A REVIEW INTERNAL, UM, REVIEW COMMITTEE COMPRISED OF A NUMBER OF,

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UM, AND IN, IN TERMS OF THE SPECIFICS OF THE PROPERTIES AND THE APPLICATIONS TO KIND OF VET ANY ADDITIONAL FACTORS OR QUESTIONS THAT THE TECHNICAL REVIEW COMMITTEE MIGHT HAVE OF THE PROPOSED APPLICANTS.

SO DURING THIS PAST PROCESS, WE DID HAVE A NUMBER OF THE TECHNICAL, THE TECHNICAL REVIEW HAD A NUMBER OF KIND OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT PROPERTY IN PLACES WHERE THEY WERE GIVING ZEROS, RIGHT? WELL, WE'RE NOT AWARDING ANY POINTS BECAUSE THEY DON'T MEET THIS CRITERIA.

AND THEN KIND OF THE DISCUSSION AROUND, YOU KNOW, HOW BIG OF A DEAL IS THAT CRITERIA? UM, AND WE'VE MADE SOME ADJUSTMENTS TO THE CRITERIA TO TRY TO ELIMINATE THAT AND GET TO A MORE STANDARD VIEW.

SO THIS CATEGORY, THE PROGRAM IS INTENDED TO BE RELATIVELY SUBJECTIVE TO FUND THE PROPERTY THAT, UM, THIS COMMITTEE ULTIMATELY WANTS TO CONTRIBUTE TO.

RIGHT? AND WE DIDN'T HAVE THIS HAPPEN LAST TIME, UM, WHEN THE RECOMMENDATION WAS BROUGHT TO YOU, BUT WE HAD A RECOMMENDATION THERE COULD, YOU COULD ENVISION A TIME WHERE THERE'S A, THERE ISN'T A CLEAR RECOMMENDATION OR THERE'S A QUESTION ABOUT THE MERITS OF THOSE EXTRA POINTS, RIGHT? IN TERMS OF, WELL, YOU KNOW, THIS IS HOW THIS PROPERTY SCORED, HOWEVER, WE WENT OUT TO THE PROPERTY, WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS, THIS IS THE CASE THEY'RE MAKING.

AND THEY WOULD IN THEORY, NEED THOSE POINTS IN ORDER TO ESSENTIALLY PASS OTHER PROPERTIES THAT MAY HAVE APPLIED IN THE PROGRAM CRITERIA.

SO IT IS INTENDED TO BE A, A, A BONUS THAT COULD BE APPLIED SUBJECT SUBJECTIVELY BY, IN THEORY IT'S MORE LIKELY TO BE THAT SECONDARY COMMITTEE AND CONSULTATION WITH THIS COMMITTEE WHO ULTIMATELY HAS THE AUTHORITY TO MAKE THE AWARD.

SO REALLY IN TERMS OF WHICH PROPERTIES COME FORWARD AND HOW ARE THEY VETTED.

SO WE HAD SOME QUESTION AROUND THAT, WHICH IS ALSO WHY THE SUBJECT, WE DIDN'T TALK A LOT ABOUT THIS LAST TIME, BUT THE SUBJECTIVITY LANGUAGE IS STRENGTHENED IN THERE TO MAKE SURE IT'S CLEARLY UNDERSTOOD THAT THIS IS A PROGRAM WHEREBY THE COUNTY CAN SHOW THAT IT SEES VALUE IN CERTAIN LAND PRESERVATION PROJECTS, AN AWARD TO THE PROJECTS THAT HAVE THE HIGHEST PRESERVATION VALUE TO THIS COMMUNITY, WHICH WE ARE DEFINING THROUGH THIS PROGRAM, HAVING THE HIGHEST PRESERVATION VALUE, 75% WITH GROUNDWATER AND SURFACE WATER PRESERVATION, AND A LITTLE BIT OF OPEN SPACE.

UM, SO IT WAS REALLY KIND OF IN THAT REFLECTION THAT IT WAS, IS THE, CAN YOU ENVISION A TIME WHEN THE HIGHEST PRESERVATION VALUE IS NOT RELATED TO WATER? AND IT CAME UP SPECIFICALLY WITH A FEW SPECIFIC PROPERTIES BORDERING HOLY HILL, WHERE WE KNOW IF THERE WERE FOUR PROPERTIES SUBMITTED BASED ON OUR SCORING CRITERIA THERE, IT'S LIKELY TO SCORE THE LOWEST BECAUSE IT'S NOT GONNA GET SOME OF THESE POINT CRITERIA.

AND THEN DOES THAT ACCURATELY REFLECT THE PRESERVATION VALUE OF THIS COUNTY BOARD AND OF THIS COMMITTEE? SO THAT'S A LONG ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, WHICH IS RIGHT NOW THERE IS NO MAXIMUM POINTS SHOWN ON THIS CRITERIA.

UM, WE CERTAINLY COULD DO THAT AT THE WILL OF THIS COMMITTEE, IF YOU'D LIKE, TO CAP KIND OF THAT FLEXIBILITY IN TERMS OF HOW MANY POINTS COULD BE AWARDED FOR SOMETHING.

UM, WE WERE NOT PROPOSING IT THAT WAY.

SO IT IS, UM, AND SPECIFICALLY, I KNOW YOU ASKED, IT WAS LABELED AS HOLY HAIL VIEW SHED, UM, WITH THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE CHANGE, UM, THE TITLE OF THE CRITERIA WOULD PROBABLY ALSO, IT'D BE ADVISABLE TO CHANGE THAT TO, UM, SOMETHING ELSE.

UM, LEMME JUST LOOK AT IT, YOU KNOW, SCENIC IMPACT, UM, WELL IT DEPENDS.

ARE WE CALL, DO WE WANNA CALL IT SCENIC CHARACTER? THERE YOU GO.

DO WE WANNA CALL IT SCENIC? UM, SCENIC CHARACTER AND RURAL HERITAGE? THOSE ARE SOME THOUGHTS, BUT THAT BASED ON SUPERVISOR KREBS LANGUAGE.

UM, AND IF SUPERVISOR KREBS LANGUAGE IS CHOSEN BY THIS GROUP AS MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THIS POLICY DOCUMENT, IT CERTAINLY ISN'T.

I MEAN, I'M JUST SPEAKING TO YOU.

MY OFFICE ADMINISTERS THIS PROGRAM.

WE HAVE TWO NONPROFITS THAT HAVE ALREADY ASKED US WHEN THE PROGRAM IS OPENING, WHEN WE, UM, DISPLAY THIS CHANGE AND THEY SEE THIS CATEGORY.

AND IF THEY FURTHER INQUIRE, LIKE WHAT DO THEY MEAN BY THAT UNIQUENESS OF CERTAIN PROPERTIES,

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IT'S VERY LIKELY THAT VERBALLY WE WILL RESPOND WITH THIS CAME UP WITH DISCUSSION OF THE HOLY HILL VIEW SHED CORRIDOR.

SO THAT WON'T BE LOST ON THE WAY WE ARE IMPLEMENTING THE PROGRAM, AT LEAST IN THE SHORT TERM UNDER THIS COUNTY EXECUTIVE.

UH, CHAIRMAN SCH LIFE.

I, I AGREE WITH THAT.

UM, BECAUSE WHEN IT WAS JUST BONUS AND THERE'S NO CAP ON THE POINTS, THEN IT'S, IT'S KIND OF WIDE OPEN.

BUT IF YOU MAKE IT SORT OF A TIEBREAKER, IF YOU WILL, AND, AND JUST MENTION ANY SCENIC, WELL THE HERITAGE, ALL THE WORDS THAT JAMIE SAID, THEN I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE.

SUPERVISOR KREBS.

THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN.

AND I AM COMPLETELY ON BOARD AND FINE WITH HOW YOU SPOKE ABOUT IF APPLICANTS ASK FOR LIKE, WHAT DOES THIS MEAN? I'M NOT TRYING TO GET RID OF I, YOU KNOW, THE HOLY HELL EXAMPLE.

IT'S JUST I DIDN'T WANT IT IN PRINT IN THIS DOCUMENT TO BE KIND OF STEERING PEOPLE LIKE THIS IS REALLY WHAT IT, THOSE BONUS POINTS ARE ONLY GONNA BE USED FOR AND STUFF.

SO IT DEFINITELY, I'M FINE WITH AS AN EXAMPLE AND PROBABLY ONE OF THE PRIMARY PURPOSES OF THESE BONUS POINTS, BUT I JUST DON'T WANT IT TO BE THE ONLY AREA OR EQUALITY THAT COULD EARN THESE BONUS POINTS.

UM, IN THE LAST MONTH'S MEETING, I DID BRING UP, WELL HOW MANY BONUS POINTS ARE WE TALKING HERE? AND I KNOW AT THE TIME I THINK I THREW OUT JUST FIVE IS LIKE SOME EXTRA POINTS, BUT AFTER HEARING JAMIE TALK ABOUT HOW WITH THREE OUT OF THE FOUR, UM, GOALS AIMED TOWARDS WATER AND SO MANY OF THE POINTS AIMED TOWARDS WATER, I THINK FIVE MIGHT BE TOO LOW FOR THESE, FOR THAT NUMBER OF POINTS, BUT I STILL THINK WE SHOULD HAVE A MAXIMUM NUMBER OF POINTS TO KIND OF CAP AT THIS CATEGORY.

SO I DON'T KNOW.

SO MY GUT'S BOUNCING BETWEEN 10 TO 15 POINTS JUST WHERE IT KIND OF STILL, THAT SAID 25% OF THE GOALS ARE SOMEWHAT BALANCED OUT WITH THE AMOUNT OF POINTS THAT IT COULD EARN FOR IT, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

UM, LASTLY I'LL JUST, IT'S MORE OF A COMMENT, BUT AS FAR AS LIKE TALKING ABOUT THE UNIQUENESS OF THE SITE, YOU KNOW, OR, UM, JUST GO BACK TO THE LANGUAGE HERE THAT WAS, WHETHER IT'S A UNIQUENESS OF A INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OR BASED OFF OF EITHER THE CHARACTER QUALITY OF LIFE HISTORY OR STUFF LIKE THAT, MY BRAIN REALLY IS DEFAULTING BACK MORE TO LIKE WHAT, UM, WHEN, UH, LIKE YOU WOULD HAVE A VARIANCE HEARING AND YOU HAVE TO TALK ABOUT HOW YOUR SITE'S UNIQUE AND DIFFERENT THAT YOU WOULD BE CONSIDERED FOR A VARIANCE.

EVEN KIND OF THE SAME WITH THIS SITE, WHAT'S HISTORIC PLACE'S, WHAT SO SPECIAL ABOUT THIS SITE THAT THE NEIGHBOR DOESN'T HAVE OR DOWN THE ROAD DOESN'T HAVE.

SO STUFF LIKE THAT.

SO THAT'S JUST KIND OF WHERE I WOULD, IF I WOULD BE ON THE COMMITTEE AT THE TIME, REVIEWING THE, UM, THE APPLICANT'S.

THAT'S KIND OF WHERE MY BRAIN WOULD BE COMING FROM, OF TRYING TO IDENTIFY IF IT'S A WORTHY SITE OR NOT.

ONE OF THE GUIDELINES OR PRO THINGS THAT THEY'RE CONSIDERED USING FOR CONSIDERATION.

AND I, AND I, SO I SEE IN THIS AMENDMENT, UM, SO BASICALLY IT'S, IT'S KIND OF OPENING THE DOOR THAT THERE MAY BE OTHER THINGS, UM, THAT IS, UM, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS TO ME HOLY HILL IS THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM, BUT AS TO YOUR POINT, IT'S NOT THE ONLY THING IN THE ROOM, YOU KNOW? UM, SO I AGREE WITH THAT.

UH, AND I, AND I THINK THIS IS A PRETTY GOOD COMPROMISE.

UM, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT ITS IMPACT IS GOING TO BE HUGE OVERALL FOR THE PROGRAM.

YOU KNOW, WHAT I SEE IS, IS I THINK THE IMPACT REALLY IS HOW MANY POINTS ARE WE GOING TO, WELL, I THINK IT'S, IT'S, I DON'T WAY I SEE THIS HERE, IT'S KIND OF, IF WE'RE UTILIZING IT AS IT SAYS BONUS, UM, BUT IT DOESN'T LIST A POINT VALUE, JAMIE.

SO I'M ASSUMING THAT'S WHEN, IF, UH, YOU GET TO, IF YOU GOT TWO PROJECTS, , I'M ASSUMING, AND THEY'RE BOTH VERY GOOD, VERY WORTHY, I, I THINK THERE SHOULD BE A POINT UPFRONT HOW MANY POINTS IT COULD EARN OUT THERE.

'CAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE NEXT PAGE WHERE IT OUTLINES THE APPROVAL PROCESS, IT SAYS THEY DO NOT NEED TO SELECT THE HIGHEST SCORE, BUT JUST PROVIDE A REASON FOR IT.

SO THE, THE REVIEW TEAM, NO MATTER WHAT THE POINTS ARE, THEY, THAT'S, THEY COULD ONLY, THAT'S ONLY

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SO WITH THAT, I THINK AT LEAST HAVING A SET SCORE IN THERE WOULD BE SEEM MORE FAIR.

I I, I COULD UNDERSTAND THAT.

UM, I GUESS THE, THE OBVIOUS, THE WAY I SEE IT IS, ALRIGHT, WELL YOU HAVE A POINT VALUE HERE, UM, TO GIVE YOU AN OVERALL GUIDELINE, BUT IF I WERE CHOOSING BETWEEN TWO THINGS AND ONE OF THOSE THINGS IS CERTAINLY GOOD.

IT'S, IT'S COMMENDABLE, IT SHOULD BE DONE.

AND THE OTHER ONE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE KIND OF LOOKING AT IT WOULD BE, UH, I GUESS A HINDU HAVING LIKE A A, I DON'T WANT TO GO HYPERBOLIC ON YOU , BUT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BLOCK, UH, VIEWS LIKE HOLY HILL OR PUT A DATA CENTER NEXT TO, UH, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE CEDAR LAKE , YOU KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, I, I COULD SEE THAT AS BEING, WELL GEE, BRIAN, UH, YOU KNOW, THE BONUS POINTS ARE ONLY TWO.

SO THE DATA CENTER IS GETTING BUILT NEXT TO BIG CEDAR.

YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? IT, IT, IT, I THINK YOU HAVE TO HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF FLEXIBILITY THERE TO SAY, WELL, YEAH, IF YOU ONLY ASSIGN TWO POINTS TO THIS IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S JUST KIND OF A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT NOT A LOT TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

BUT IT COULD IN THEORY, DEPENDING ON WHATEVER PROJECT WERE TO COME UP, BE KIND OF A EARTH SHATTERING BIG DEAL.

WELL, THE FLEXIBILITY IS, IS THEY DON'T HAVE TO TAKE CHOOSE BASED OFF OF SCORE.

SCORE IS JUST ONE OF THE CONSIDERATIONS, RIGHT? THAT IS HOW WE WERE THINKING ABOUT IT.

UM, SUPERVISOR KREBS, IT WAS MORE OF A, THE, THE LAND WILL BE SCORED, IT WILL SHAKE OUT.

WE WERE TRYING TO POINT OUT TO OUR NONPROFIT PARTNER APPLICANTS THAT THERE COULD, LIKE THE COMMITTEE AND THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE IN THIS CASE ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS.

AND SO THERE COULD BE ENVISIONED AN EXAMPLE WHERE THIS COMES TO YOU WITH HERE'S THE HIGHEST WATER PROJECT AND THEN HERE'S THIS OTHER PROJECT AND YOU DON'T SELECT THE WATER PROJECT.

RIGHT? EVEN THOUGH ITS SCORE IS SUBSTANTIAL, WE DON'T EVEN NEED ANY POINTS TO DO THAT.

WE WERE JUST TRYING TO POINT OUT THAT AS GREAT AS OUR PROGRAM IS, AND THIS IS HOW WE'RE GOING TO PRIORITY RANK THESE, UM, TO TRANSCEND TIME, THERE HAS TO BE SOME SORT OF A WAY TO PROVIDE A COMPARISON OF THE PROPERTIES TO MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION ABOUT OUR PRIORITIES.

GIVEN ALL OF THAT, WE STILL VALUE, THERE COULD BE CIRCUMSTANCES ELSEWHERE, WHICH SAY THAT THE BEST PRESERVATION CASE IN FRONT OF US FOR THE LAND AND THE PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTY IS NOT THIS PROPERTY.

SO THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO SAY, WHICH IS WHY THERE'S NOT EVEN ANY POINTS.

IT WAS MORE OF, IF WE DON'T LIKE THE WORD BONUS, WE COULD JUST CALL IT OTHER CONSIDERATIONS.

UM, AND IT'S NOT EVEN SO MUCH MOVING THE POINT SCORE AS IT IS SAYING, WELL, WE'RE GOING TO STILL CONSIDER THAT PROPERTY AND HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT IT.

SUPERVISOR CONRAD, YOU LOOK LIKE YOU WERE REALLY DEBATING, WANTING TO SPEAK.

AND, UH, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO CHIME IN, YOU'RE CERTAINLY WELCOME.

YEAH, I APPRECIATE, UM, JAMIE, MS. VIC'S, UM, CLARIFICATION AND, UM, MOST RECENT COMMENTS AND YEAH, MAYBE ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATIONS AND, AND INSTEAD OF, UM, BONUS, BUT YEAH, I APPRECIATE THAT.

FURTHER CLARIFICATION BE BEHIND THE WHY.

IT'S LIKE INSTEAD OF THE WORD BONUS, SHOULD IT JUST BE A BOX THAT, WHETHER IT GETS A CHECK MARK IN IT OR NOT FOR ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATION, , LIKE, I'M, I DON'T KNOW, I THINK IT WOULD PROBABLY BE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT AT THIS POINT, I THINK 'CAUSE I AGREE, UH, ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATION INSTEAD OF BONUS, BONUS SEEMS LIKE KIND OF A A, A BETTER, UH, IT, IT DOES, IT MAINTAINS THE FLEXIBILITY.

IT PROTECTS OUR CULTURAL HERITAGE AND OUR, YOU KNOW, NOT JUST HOLY HILL, BUT THE OTHERS AS WELL.

AND I, I'D BE WILLING TO, YOU KNOW, ON THIS, WE GO THIS WAY AND GO WITH THAT.

I'M DOWN.

IF YOU'RE DOWN WITH MY OPINION WITH, WITH GOING WITH INSTEAD OF A BONUS YEAH.

WE GO TO ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATION.

IS THERE IS MONEY IN THIS PROGRAM FOR THE UPCOMING YEAR, RIGHT? AND SO IT IS REALLY MORE OF A, WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE BEING UPFRONT ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE ARE, THIS PROGRAM IS INTENDED TO BE FLEXIBLE FOR THIS COUNTY TO TALK ABOUT LAND PRESERVATION AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THIS COUNTY HAS THAT DIALOGUE APPROPRIATELY AND THAT WE DON'T RULE PEOPLE OUT BECAUSE THEY SCORE REALLY LOW OR THEY DON'T APPLY BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE A WATER PROJECT, RIGHT? SO WE'RE TRYING TO PUSH, WELL, DO WE NEED TO MAKE IT MORE APPARENT UP IN THE GOALS, NOT TRYING TO REWRITE THE WHOLE FRAMEWORK OR ANYTHING, BUT DO WE NEED TO MAKE THAT MORE APPARENT IN THE, THE FOUR GOALS OF THIS PROGRAM, EVEN THOUGH 75% OF THE GOALS ARE WATER RELATED? IT IS OUR INTENTION NOT TO MAKE IT, TO STILL KEEP IT SOMEWHAT OPEN TO ALL PROJECTS.

I, I, I'M HAPPY WITH THAT.

AND I JUST WANNA NOTE THIS PROGRAM

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WELL, I, I THINK WRITTEN INTO WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE, UM, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO RE REINVENT THE WHOLE THING, BUT, BUT PRACTICALLY SPEAKING, UM, I THINK OVERALL THIS FRAMEWORK HAS WORKED FOR US IN THE PAST.

WE'VE USED IT, WE'RE ADDING ONE ITEM THAT MORE OR LESS JUST GIVES US A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBILITY, WHICH WE'VE ALREADY ENJOYED IN THE PAST.

I MEAN, WE HAVE CHOSEN, WE HAD SOME THAT SCORED BETTER, BUT I BELIEVE IN THE LAST ROUND OF THIS, WE, WE PICKED A DIFFERENT PROJECT EVEN THOUGH IT DIDN'T SCORE AS GOOD BECAUSE WE FELT IT WAS, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT THE DETAILS WERE, BUT WE ENDED UP USING OUR FLEXIBILITY.

YEAH, IT'S THE OLD, YOU KNOW, YOU MAKE THE RULES FOR 95% OF THE PEOPLE, RIGHT? THE EXCEPTIONS ARE NOT, WE DON'T REALLY WANT TO BUILD THE PROGRAM AROUND WHAT WE'RE GONNA CALL AN EXCEPTION.

UM, WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE TELL APPLICANTS THAT THERE COULD POTENTIALLY BE AN EXCEPTION.

I DO FEEL LIKE THE MOST OF THE PROPERTY WE'RE GONNA SEE IS GOING TO BE, UM, HAVE, YOU KNOW, MEET THE GOALS AND THE OBJECTIVES OF THE PROGRAM.

UM, I DON'T THINK THIS IS GONNA BE A, A HUGE THING.

UM, IT TAKES A LOT OF WORK TO GET A, A PIECE OF A, A PARCEL IN FRONT OF THE GROUP FOR LAND PRESERVATION.

UM, I'M NOT AWARE THAT THERE'S ANY ACTUALLY COMING FORWARD, BUT I GUESS WE WILL FIND OUT.

SO I GUESS, UM, WITH THE CHANGE OF TAKING IT FROM BONUS TO ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATION, UM, THE CHAIR WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION, UH, FOR THIS ITEM, THE FRAMEWORK.

I WOULD SO MOVE TO MAKE A MOTION TO CHANGE BONUS TO ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATION.

THE TITLE, I FORGET WHAT WE SAID BEFORE, BUT I WAS KIND OF GOOD WITH WHATEVER JEFF AND JAMIE HAD KIND OF SPITBALLED THERE, IF ANY OF US REMEMBER THAT.

BUT THEN THE ACTUAL DE DESCRIPTION OR THE THIRD BOX ON THE RIGHT WOULD BE, UH, AS PRESENTED IN THE DOCUMENTATION OF MY ALTER OF MY PROPOSAL.

AND I CAN READ IT IF YOU WANT.

HOLD ON.

WAIT A MINUTE.

LET ME JUST DON'T WANT TO GET CONFUSED HERE.

'CAUSE WE GOT A LOT GOING ON .

I'M TRYING TO KEEP UP.

YOU NEED ANOTHER DEVICE? YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I NEED.

UM, OKAY, SO THE MOTION WE'RE TAKING RIGHT NOW IS FOR WHAT IS WRITTEN THAT JAMIE DID THE UPDATED VERSION.

AND ACCEPT THE CHANGE IN THERE IS TO REMOVE BONUS AND PUT IN, UH, ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATION.

I'M WITHDRAWING MY MOTION.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW.

HOLD THAT THOUGHT, .

UM, SO DO I HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR FOR THAT? CAN I MAKE THAT MOTION SUPERVISOR HARTWIG.

ALRIGHT, I WILL MOVE IT AS A SECOND.

UH, OR PAM, DID YOU HAVE YOUR HAND UP? I THOUGHT I SAW YOU.

OKAY, PAM.

PAM WILL MOVE IT AS A SECOND.

UM, SO NOW WE WILL TAKE THE, UH, AMENDED VERSION AND GO TO DISCUSSION, ANY DISCUSSION ON THE AMENDED VERSION.

PROPOSAL LUDOVIC OR ALTERNATIVE PROPOSAL? KREBS LUDOVIC.

UM, CAN I ASK FOR A POINT OF CLARIFICATION? IS THIS AMENDED VERSION, ALTERNATIVE

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UH, WITH THE CHANGE OF TAKING OUT THE BONUS AND PUTTING IN ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATION.

SO, UH, ANY MORE DISCUSSION ON THAT THAT JUST THE AMENDMENT WOULD, WOULD IT STILL BE TITLED HOLY HILL VIEW SHED MM-HMM .

OH, CURRENTLY I WOULD, I WOULD SAY YES.

CURRENTLY.

THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN HERE, UM, I THOUGHT JAMIE HAD SOME OTHER WORDS THAT WOULD FIT IN THERE BETTER, OR ARE WE TAKING ONE AMENDMENT AT A TIME? WELL, I WAS GONNA TRY AND GUIDE HIM TOWARDS, UH, TRYING TO WORK THAT OUT.

UM, OKAY, I'LL SHOW.

DO I HAVE THAT? YEAH, THAT'S IN THE BACK.

I DIDN'T, BUT YOU DIDN'T PUT IT HERE.

CURRENTLY, UM, IT'S WRITTEN THAT AS THE, A HOLY HILL VIEW SHED, BUT FUNDAMENTALLY, UM, THE WAY SHE'S GOT, THE WAY MS. VIC'S GOT IT AND THE COUNTY RECOGNIZES THAT CERTAIN AGRICULTURAL AND OPEN SPACE LANDSCAPES CONTRIBUTE, UH, SIGNIFICANTLY TO WASHINGTON COUNTY'S SCENIC CHARACTER, QUALITY OF LIFE AND CULTURAL HERITAGE.

WHILE THE HOLY HILL VIEW SHED ZONE REMAINS A PROMINENT AND WELL-DOCUMENTED EXAMPLE OF SUCH A LANDSCAPE REFLECTING UNIQUE VISUAL, HISTORIC AND CULTURAL IMPORTANCE, THE COUNTY ACKNOWLEDGES THAT OTHER AREAS MAY DEMONSTRATE SIMILAR QUALITIES.

ACCORDINGLY, PROPERTIES LOCATED WITHIN THE HOLY HILL VIEW SHED ZONE SEE ATTACHMENT WILL CONTINUE TO RECEIVE ADDITIONAL EVALUATION AND MAY BE AWARDED SUPPLEMENTARY POINTS.

IN ADDITION, APPLICANTS MAY IDENTIFY AND DOCUMENT OTHER LANDSCAPES THAT EXHIBIT COMPARABLE SCENIC, CULTURAL, OR HERITAGE VALUE.

THESE SUBMISSIONS WILL BE REVIEWED USING SIMILAR CRITERIA TO EVALUATE THEIR CONTRIBUTION TO THE COUNTY'S BROADER CONSERVATION AND HERITAGE GOALS.

SO, UM, COULD YOU GO BACK TO THAT? SO HAVING READ THAT OUT, UM, IT SAYS THE HOLY HILL VIEW SHED, UM, BUT I BELIEVE THAT THAT KIND OF SENDS NOT THE RIGHT MESSAGE.

UM, THAT'S WHY I ALWAYS HAD MY ALTERNATIVE PERFORM .

WELL, I MEAN, I WANT, BUT THAT'S NOT THE ONLY CRITERIA, YOU KNOW, SO I MEAN, I, I AGREE WITH YOU, BUT I I, I KIND OF SPECIFICALLY DO WANT TO HAVE HOLY HILL IN THERE, BUT I ALSO DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH PUTTING IN ADDITIONAL AS FAR AS LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF WE SAID HOLY HILL VIEW SHED, UM, AT THE, AT THE END THERE, IT SAYS, IN ADDITION, APPLICANTS MAY IDENTIFY OTHER LANDSCAPES EXHIBIT COMPARABLE SCENIC, CULTURAL OR HERITAGE VALUES.

SO THAT'S THE, AND EVERYTHING ELSE, RIGHT? LET'S JUST SECOND, YEAH.

THIS SUPERVISOR CONRAD, UM, YEAH.

INSTEAD OF THE HOLY HILL VIEW SHED TO LIKE A SCENIC VIEW SHED AND THEN USE, UTILIZE HOLY HILL, MAYBE AS AN EXAMPLE, JUST TO TRY AND FIND THAT BALANCE.

UH, AND, AND, AND I AGREE.

UM, AND AGAIN, THERE, I GUESS WE CAN CRAFT THIS TO SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT MORE AMENABLE.

UM, BRING ME TO BRIAN'S.

UNIQUE LANDSCAPES AND VIEW SHEDS THAT REFLECT A, A UNIQUE VISUAL, HISTORIC OR CULTURAL, UH, CULTURAL IMPORTANT IMPORTANCE.

SO THE COUNTY RECOGNIZES THAT, UH, THAT UNIQUENESS OF CERTAIN INDIVIDUAL PROPERTIES CONTRIBUTE TO WASHINGTON COUNTY'S SCENIC CHARACTER, QUALITY OF LIFE, HISTORY, AND CULTURAL HERITAGE, UH, THROUGH

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AND SO I THINK WHEN WE GO TO THAT, I, I'D LIKE TO TRY AND FIND A WAY THAT, YOU KNOW, PERHAPS WE CAN AMEND IT UP TO HOLY HILL VIEW.

SHED TRY TO MAKE THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE, I, YOURS DOESN'T SPECIFICALLY NAME IT AND I WOULD LIKE IT SPECIFICALLY NAMES, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO INCLUDE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING TOO.

AND I SPECIFICALLY WAS TRYING TO NOT HAVE THAT NAME IN THERE.

NOT BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE HOLY HILL, I'M, I LIKE HOLY HILL, BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE IT WHERE WE'RE NOT, IT'S STILL WIDE OR OPEN FOR APPLICANTS TO READ IT AND SAY THAT THAT COULD APPLY TO THEM.

THE SECOND YOU READ HOLY HILL IN THERE, UNLESS YOU ARE VIEWING OF HOLY HILL, MOST APPLICANTS ARE GONNA SAY THAT'S NOT, THAT BOX DOESN'T FIT THEM ANYMORE.

THAT'S JUST MY PERSONAL THOUGHTS ON IT THOUGH.

AND LIKE I SAID, I'M STILL, IF IT WOULD BE MY VERSION, I'M STILL FINE WITH JAMIE AND HER STAFF USING HOLY HILL AS THE PRIME EXAMPLE.

LIKE I GET A HOLY HILL IS MORE BEAUTIFUL THAN THE JACKSON MARSH.

NOTHING OUT I THOUGHT I'D GET, BUT THE JACKSON MARSH MM-HMM .

IS CERTAINLY .

EXCEPT FOR THE DEAD ASH TREES.

UM, ALL RIGHT, WELL, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE FLOOR, UM, FOR WHAT IS WRITTEN.

UM, WE CAN DO IT ONE OR TWO WAYS.

WE CAN, YOU CAN AMEND THE VOTE, UH, AMEND THE AMENDMENT, UM, OR AMEND, UH, THE CRITERIA CHART, UH, TO INCLUDE SOME LANGUAGE.

UM, AND YOU COULD EITHER AMEND IT, TAKE OUT HOLY HILL VIEW SHED, UH, YOU KNOW, IF YOU SO DESIRE, I'M PREPARED TO VOTE NOW ON THE AMENDMENT.

UH, ALL RIGHT.

WELL, UM, ANY OTHER INPUT ON THIS? CAN I JUST ASK, IF THIS AMENDMENT FAILS, THEN WHAT HAPPENS? WELL, IF FAILS THE FRAMEWORK, FRAMEWORK IDEALLY WOULD BE APPROVED TONIGHT, ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, EVEN IF THIS PART IS COMPLETELY OUT SO THAT WE CAN OPEN THE APPLICATIONS.

AT, UH, WE WOULD STILL, THIS IS STRICTLY FOR THE AMENDMENT TO CHANGE THE LANGUAGE, BUT WE COULD STILL END UP PASSING THE ORIGINAL VERSION WITHOUT POSSIBLY HOLY HILL IN THERE.

UM, CAN THE AMENDMENT, WHAT WERE WE CALLING THE REMOVING BONUS POINTS? BONUS? THE WORD BONUS AND REPLACING WITH WHAT, AGAIN, ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATION.

SO JUST, SO RIGHT NOW, THE MEN, THE AMENDMENT IS TO REPLACE BONUS WITH ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATION.

THE, THE MIDDLE BOX WILL REMAIN WHOLLY HELD, THE VIEW SHED.

AS SUPERVISOR KREB PUT OUT, HE'S NOT AGAINST HOLY HILL, BUT HE WANTS TO MAKE SURE IT'S NOT THE ONLY, UH, CULTURAL OR HERITAGE SITE OR WHATEVER WE WERE SAYING, UM, TO BE CONS BE A CONSIDERATION THAT ABOUT SUM IT UP.

AND THE THIRD BOX WILL BE MS. VIC'S.

CORRECT.

THERE DOES SEEM TO BE A GENERAL CONSENSUS THAT THE SECOND BOX SHOULD SAY, UM, SCENIC MORE BROAD THAN HOLY HILL VIEW SHED.

SO I SCENIC, SCENIC AND CULTURAL IMPORTANCE.

YES.

IT SEEMS LIKE EVERYONE WANTED THAT, SO I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULDN'T JUST HAVE THAT BE INCLUDED AS WELL.

WELL, I THINK THAT WE COULD UPDATE IT THAT WAY.

UH, SUPERVISOR COMRAD, WERE YOU CHIMING IN? YES, THANK YOU.

YEAH, I'D LIKE TO YEAH.

CHANGE, UH, THE BONUS TO, TO THE, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATIONS.

AND AGAIN, THAT TITLE HOLY HILL VIEW SHED, YOU KNOW, TO SOMETHING MORE BROAD, EVEN, YOU KNOW, SCENIC VIEW SHED OR WHAT MS. LUDOVIC, UM, JUST STATED TOO.

I, I LIKED THAT LANGUAGE.

I REALLY TELL HIM TO MAKE SURE I YEAH, I FIGURED YOU WOULD, BECAUSE AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE GOTTA GO BACK TO OUR WHY, WHAT'S WHAT'S REALLY THE, THE WHY HERE.

OUR WHY IS NOT JUST HOLY HILL, YOU KNOW? CORRECT.

ALTHOUGH IT REMAINS A CONSIDERATION

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SO THAT'S WHERE OUR CONSENSUS IS AT.

UM, WHAT'S THAT CALL THE VOTE? ? YEAH.

UM, SO WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO THEN IS CALL THE VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT.

SO THESE PARTICULAR CHANGES THAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW, WHICH WOULD BE WE'RE REMOVING BONUS, ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATION, RIGHT? CHANGING, UH, THE SECOND PORT PORTION, HOLY HILL VIEW SHED TWO, SCENIC AND CULTURAL IMPORTANCE, SCENIC AND CULTURAL IMPORTANCE.

UH, ALL IN FAVORS.

OH.

AND THEN RETAINING JAMIE'S, UM, SYNOPSIS AT THE OTHER END, WHICH THE PROPOSED JAMIE'S PROPOSAL FOR THE YEAH.

CAN FIND PAGES.

ALTERNATE PRO, JAMIE'S PRO ALTERNATE PROPOSAL.

SO THAT'S THE AMENDMENT WE'RE VOTING ON RIGHT NOW.

AND THEN WE WILL VOTE ON THE WHOLE THING AFTER THIS AMENDMENT.

SO ALL SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

ALL OPPOSED? AYE.

UH, THE AYES HAVE IT ON THE AMENDMENT NOW, , WE CAN GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL.

UH, NOW IT'S THE, IT IS THE AMENDED VERSION OF THE, THE FULL PROGRAM.

AND, UH, IS THERE ANY MORE CONVERSATION QUESTIONS REGARDING THAT? ALL RIGHT.

SEEING NONE, UH, ALL SIGNIFY BY SAYING, I.

OPPOSED? OPPOSED.

OH, WE NEED A MOTION ON IT.

WE HAD A MOTION WHEN WE OPENED UP TO DISCUSS IT TO STRUGGLE WITH.

I THOUGHT WE DID.

YEAH, YEAH.

'CAUSE I SECONDED IT.

ALRIGHT, UH, NEXT WE HAVE THE WASHINGTON COUNTY FAIR PARK, 2030 FISCAL SUSTAINABILITY PLAN UPDATE.

SO, UH, SO WE ALL VOTED, UM, AND IT, AND IT'S PASSED.

UM, SO THERE WE GO.

UH, WAS THAT ALL WE HAD TODAY? OH NO, WE GOT THE, THE PARKS.

SO YOU GOT IT ALL.

JAMIE MICHAEL, HELP YOU PUT THAT INTO SOME KIND OF ORDER, BUT BASICALLY WITH THE AMENDMENT AND WHATNOT.

SO YOU'LL, YOU SHOULD BE ALL AFTER THAT.

DON'T WATCH SAUSAGE BEING MADE .

JUST EAT IT.

[f. Washington County Fair Park 2030 Fiscal Sustainability Plan Update]

AND I KNOW THAT'S YOU, JAMIE.

YES.

SIGNIFICANT ELECTRICITY BILLS GENERATED BY THAT FACILITY.

WE WANTED TO COME FORWARD AND BRING YOU AN JUST AT LEAST A HIGH LEVEL UPDATE BECAUSE YOU ARE GOING TO BE SEEING A NUMBER OF DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THIS COMING FORWARD IN THE NEXT 2, 3, 4, 5 MONTHS.

AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT ALONG THE WAY.

SO, UM, STRATEGIC PRIORITY 11 OF THE COUNTY BOARD WAS THAT THE AGRICULTURAL AND INDUSTRIAL SOCIETY AND COUNTY SHOULD PRESENT A 2030 FISCAL SUSTAINABILITY PLAN FOR THE FAIR PARK TO DO THIS.

UM, WE RECENTLY ESTABLISHED A WORK GROUP, WHICH I THINK YOU GUY YOU ALL HAVE HEARD OF.

UM, SUPERVISOR COWLING, UM, COUNTY BOARD CHAIR, SCH SUPERVISOR, CAROL MARY, UM, AND SUPERVISOR KEN M**K JOINED, UM, THAT GROUP FOR OF A IS REPRESENTATIVES IN THAT WORK GROUP.

THEY MET MAY 18TH, JUNE 9TH, AND JUNE 29TH.

THE INITIAL MEETING FOCUSED ON BACKGROUND AND THE CURRENT FACILITY REVIEWING THE HISTORY, THE DIVISIONS OFFERING AN OVERVIEW OF THE DECISION, UM, BETWEEN POSITIONING THE FACILITY AS A COMMUNITY CENTER VERSUS AN EXPO CENTER.

UM, SO COMMUNITY CENTER, THINK COMMUNITY FUNCTIONS LIKE FOUR H, UM, YOU KNOW, ACTIVITIES THAT MAYBE ARE NOT AS REVENUE GENERATING VERSUS AN EXPO CENTER, WHICH DOES EXHIBITIONS AND, UM, LARGER EVENTS THAT BRING PEOPLE IN, GENERALLY MORE FOCUSED AT BUILDING REVENUE.

DURING THE SECOND MEETING, THE PARTICIPANTS REVIEWED A SURVEY THAT WAS DISTRIBUTED AND THAT SOME OF THOSE RESULTS WERE IN YOUR PACKET JUST AS A REFERENCE, UM, WHICH ADDRESSED SOME OF THE QUESTIONS AND THOSE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT SHOULD WE BE A COMMUNITY CENTER OR SHOULD WE BE AN EXPO CENTER.

UM, WHY THAT'S IMPORTANT IS BECAUSE COMMUNITY CENTERS DON'T MAKE ANY MONEY.

THEY, THEY DO THINGS FOR REDUCED RATES.

UM, THERE ARE

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SO, UM, I I POINT THAT OUT BECAUSE THEY, THAT WAS REALLY A LONG CONVERSATION.

SO SOME OF THE KEY FINDINGS THAT KIND OF CAME OUT OF THE SURVEY, UM, EVERYBODY AGREED THAT THE CURRENT OPERATING MODEL WHERE THE COUNTY OWNS THE FACILITIES AND AI MANAGES THE OPERATIONS IS REALLY IDEAL FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS.

UM, MOSTLY AROUND AIS, S'S ABILITY TO, UM, HAVE A LIQUOR LICENSE, GENERATE REVENUE, AND DO SOME THINGS A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, ENTREPRENEURIAL THAN WHAT THE COUNTY COULD OFFER.

THEY AGREED TO EXPLORE THE HYBRID OPERATING MODEL THAT SEPARATES EXPO FUNCTIONS FROM THOSE FOCUSED ON THE COMMUNITY, MEANING IT SHOULD BE SOME COMMUNITY CENTER AND SOME EXPO CENTER.

UM, AND IT WAS DETERMINED THAT THE COUNTY FINANCIAL SUPPORT SHOULD TARGET 10 TO 40% OF THE OPERATING COSTS OF THE EVENT CENTER, SPECIFICALLY TO SUSTAIN THE COMMUNITY AND MISSION DRIVEN AND QUALITY OF LIFE FUNCTIONS.

SO THINK FOUR H.

SO THAT, UM, CONVERSATION IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE ON THE HEELS OF THIS, THE COUNTY HAD PLEDGED $150,000 A YEAR TO THEM FOR THE CEO AS WELL AS THEY, WE PROVIDE 60,000 CASH A YEAR FOR THE FAIR AND 25,000 FOR ENTERTAINMENT.

SO THERE'S FUNDING ALREADY GOING, UM, TO, UM, KIND OF SUBSIDIZE THE OPERATION.

SO THE PERCENTAGE OF 25% WAS HIGHLIGHTED AS IT APPEARED IN BOTH OF THE CATEGORIES THAT SELECTED BY PARTICIPANTS.

SO THIS, UM, CONSENSUS AROUND ABOUT 25% IS A NUMBER FOR SUBS FOR HELPING SUPPORT THE OPERATION OF THE EVENT CENTER.

1.1 MILLION IS THE CURRENT AND A COST ESTIMATE TO OPERATE THE EVENT CENTER.

SO THAT PUTS THE COUNTY SUPPORT AROUND 250 TO $310,000 PER YEAR TO SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY CENTER FUNCTIONS OF THE EVENT CENTER.

I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE FAIR.

SO WE, THROUGH THE EXERCISE, THE WORK GROUP LOOKED AT THE FAIR AND THEN THEY LOOKED AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER, EXPO CENTER.

SO WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT THE FACILITY VERSUS THE FAIR.

UM, EVEN THOUGH THEY GO TOGETHER, THEY'RE DIFFERENT BUSINESS LINES THAT A IS IS REALLY RUNNING.

UM, SO THEN, SO THOSE FIRST TWO MEETINGS KIND OF CENTERED AROUND THOSE CONVERSATIONS OF WHAT DO WE WANNA, WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE WE DOING? UM, AND THEN THE LAST CONVERSATION WAS A, WE KIND OF GOT TO THAT NAPKIN NUMBER OF 25% OF 1.1 MILLION.

UM, AND THEN THEY WENT THROUGH A, A CHIP EXERCISE.

THE ENTIRE A IS BOARD OF DIRECTORS DID THE CHIP EXER EXERCISE AS WELL AS THE MEMBERS OF THE WORK GROUP.

UM, AND SO THAT THOSE RESULTS WERE ACTUALLY PROVIDED IN YOUR PACKET SO YOU COULD TAKE A LOOK AT EXACTLY HOW PEOPLE RESPONDED.

BUT ESSENTIALLY THE IDEA WAS IF THE COUNTY IS IN THIS PARTNERSHIP AND IS GOING TO PROVIDE SUPPORT TO THE AGRICULTURAL INDUSTRIAL SOCIETY TO HELP SUSTAIN THE COMMUNITY CENTER FUNCTIONS, UM, AND THINGS IN LINE WITH THE AGRICULTURAL AND INDUSTRIAL SOCIETY'S MISSION.

SO A FARMER'S MARKET, A WINTER MARKET CAME UP AS AN EXAMPLE, SOMETHING THAT IS LIKELY NOT TO DRIVE HUGE REVENUES, UM, BUT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THEY WANNA DO BECAUSE OF THEIR MISSION TO PROVIDE EDUCATION WITH A, FOR AG AND INDUSTRY.

UM, HOW DO WE WANT THAT SUPPORT TO LOOK? AND SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT YOU SAW IN THE RESULTS.

AND THERE WERE REALLY FOUR, UM, THINGS THAT SURFACED AS THE CONVERSATION OF WHAT, HOW COULD THAT SUPPORT POTENTIALLY LOOK.

UM, THE COUNTY MEMBERS WANTED TO REDUCE THEIR DIRECT TAX DOLLAR SUPPORT.

SO THEY CURRENTLY BUDGET 80, WE CURRENTLY BUDGET $85,000 A YEAR, UM, CASH PAID TO A IS FOR THE FAIR AND ENTERTAINMENT.

SO THE, THAT WAS KIND OF FACTORED IN THERE AND IT, THE FOUR AREAS THAT CAME UP WAS, UM, SHARED SERVICES FROM THE WASHINGTON COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

SO RIGHT NOW THE SHERIFF BILLS THE AGRICULTURAL AND INDUSTRIAL SOCIETY FOR ALL OF THE HOURS SPENT AT THE FAIR.

SO THEY COME OUT, THEY PROVIDE SECURITY, AND THEN THEY CHARGE THE ORGANIZATION TO THE TUNE OF ABOUT, BETWEEN ROUGHLY $40,000 A YEAR, BUT GROWING AS THE SECURITY NEEDS OF THE FAIR GROW AS WELL AS THE COSTS OF THAT SECURITY.

SO THAT'S CASH.

A IS PAYS

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BACK TO THE COUNTY, TO THE SHERIFF.

SO THAT WAS ONE, UM, SHARED SERVICES FOR ADDITIONAL FACILITIES SUPPORT CAME UP.

SO THIS IS, RIGHT NOW THE AGRICULTURAL INDUSTRIAL SOCIETY DOES SOME OF THE LANDSCAPING OUTSIDE, SOME OF THE WEED CONTROL, SOME OF THE, UM, SNOWPLOWING THE WALKS IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE.

AND SO THIS CONVERSATION THAT WE ALREADY MOSTLY MAINTAIN THE FACILITIES, BUT THEY DO JUST ENOUGH THAT IT'S ROUGHLY A FULL-TIME EMPLOYEE.

SO COULD THE COUNTY TAKE ON MORE OF THE TAKE ON ALL OF THE FACILITIES WORK, THE EQUIPMENT, LIABILITIES, THINGS LIKE THAT THAT GO WITH THAT.

SO THAT ONE CAME UP.

UM, SO IT, AND IT SHARED SERVICES FOR NETWORKS AND, UM, INFRASTRUCTURE WAS THE OTHER ONE THAT IS NOT BEING SUPPORTED SHARED SERVICES.

AND IT IS COMING UP A LOT BECAUSE THESE SMALLER ENTITIES HAVE A REALLY HARD TIME, UM, MANAGING THE NETWORKS, PLANNING FOR THE REPLACEMENT OF THE NETWORKS, HAVING THE TECHNICAL EXPERTISE TO DO SO.

UM, AND SO THAT CAME UP AS ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY WHERE A IS COULD SEE VALUE IN SAVINGS SHOULD THE COUNTY PROVIDE ADDITIONAL SUPPORT.

SO THOSE THREE SHARED SERVICES OPPORTUNITIES.

AND THEN THE OTHER LARGE TICKET ITEM THAT WAS TALKED ABOUT WAS THE IDEA OF AN ENDOWMENT.

UM, THINK, UH, THE AGRICULTURAL INDUSTRIAL SOCIETY BOARD, UM, IS TALKING ABOUT THIS RIGHT NOW, THINK FRIENDS OF THE FAIR TYPE OF AN ORGANIZATION THAT WHO'S, UM, RATHER THAN US PAYING, UH, YOU KNOW, TO SUPPORT THE FAIR EVERY YEAR, IT'S MORE OF A ONE TIME CONTRIBUTION WHERE THE DISTRIBUTIONS ARE THEN USED TO SUPPORT THE ORGANIZATION.

SO THERE WAS A, A GOOD AMOUNT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT THE SIZE OF THAT AND WHAT THAT COULD POTENTIALLY LOOK LIKE.

AND, UM, THE AGRICULTURAL INDUSTRIAL SOCIETY'S APPETITE TO, UM, GENERATE FUNDS OUT IN THE COMMUNITY TO HELP SUPPORT THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THAT FUND.

UM, TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA, UM, 80 TO $160,000 OF ANNUAL DISTRIBUTIONS FROM A TWO TO $5 MILLION ENDOWMENT WAS TALKED ABOUT.

SO THOSE FOUR THINGS, UM, TOTAL ABOUT $300,000, WHICH IS GETTING US CLOSER TO THAT, THAT NUMBER.

SO WHERE THIS IS AT IS WE TOOK THE CHIP EXERCISE RESULTS AND WE KIND OF TALKED THROUGH A LITTLE BIT OF THIS WITH THE AGRICULTURAL INDUSTRIAL SOCIETY LEADERSHIP BEFORE THEIR OPERATING AGREEMENT IS RENEWED.

UM, THEY DID JUST HIRE A NEW CEO, WHICH STARTS IN ABOUT FOUR WEEKS, THREE, TWO WEEKS NEXT WEEK, UM, SOON.

AND THEY MET YESTER YESTERDAY.

TODAY, THE AGRICULTURE AND JUSTICE SOCIETY MET IN THE PAST COUPLE DAYS WITH ADDITIONAL STAKEHOLDERS.

UM, THEY WANTED TO TALK TO OTHER PEOPLE OUT IN THE COMMUNITY.

I KNOW THE, THE KEN MILLER FAMILY WAS A BIG ONE.

SOME OF THE OTHER STAKEHOLDERS, UM, THE COUNTY, I WAS NOT IN ATTENDANCE.

THE COUNTY WAS NOT IN ATTENDANCE AT THE MEETING.

THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THEIR KIND OF RESPONSE TO THIS.

AND SO THEY SAID THEY HAD A REALLY GREAT MEETING, THERE'S A LOT OF EXCITEMENT ABOUT THIS.

UM, AND THERE THE NEXT STEP IS THAT THE AGRICULTURAL INDUSTRIAL SOCIETY IS GOING TO KIND OF FORMALIZE WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO, ESSENTIALLY WHAT THEIR, UM, RESPONSE IS TO SOME OF THIS WORK AND WHAT THEIR PROPOSAL IS.

AND SO, UM, IT IS TIME TIMING IS COMING THAT WE SHOULD HAVE THAT FROM THEM IN, YOU KNOW, I WOULD SAY OCTOBER OR NOVEMBER MEETING.

UM, AND THEN TO START KIND OF THE CONVERSATION WITH THIS COUNTY BOARD ABOUT, UM, DO WE WANT TO, DO WE WANNA DO THESE THINGS LEADING INTO THE NEXT OPERATING AGREEMENT AND WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? UM, AND SO THAT'S KIND OF THE STATUS OF THE CONVERSATION AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE THAT I CAN ANSWER ABOUT THE WORK GROUP.

UM, I KNOW SUPERVISOR KEL WAS ON THE WORK GROUP, SO I'D LOVE HIM TO OPINE IT ALL.

UM, BUT THIS CONVERSATION IS, IS GOING TO BE COMING SOON.

BEEN HAPPENING IN THIS WORK GROUP.

UM, AND NOTHING IS, UH, OBVIOUSLY FINALIZED YET.

UM, BUT I WILL SAY THIS, UH, THE WORK GROUP WAS EXTREMELY PRODUCTIVE.

UH, THE ATTITUDE, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR CERTAINLY FOR SUPERVISOR KREBS AND SUPERVISOR HARTWIG.

SO THE TWO OF THE LONGEST STANDING MEMBERS OF THIS BOARD, UH, CAN REMEMBER THAT A IS AND COUNTY BOARD WEREN'T ALWAYS NECESSARILY ON THE SAME PAGE TO PUT IT MILDLY.

UM, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT'S

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IT'S BEEN EXTREMELY POSITIVE.

UH, WE DO ALL SEEM TO BE ROWING THE SAME DIRECTION.

UM, SO THAT WAS GOOD TO SEE A LOT OF THE PROPOSALS THAT MS. LUDOVIC, UH, PUT FORWARD FOR THE SHARED SERVICES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, I THINK WERE VERY WELL RECEIVED.

AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE CHIP REPORT, THE CHIP DEAL WE DID HERE, UM, WE WERE PRETTY MUCH RELATIVELY CLOSELY ALIGNED.

UM, AND I THINK KIND OF THE BIGGEST POINT IS THE ENDOWMENT, WHICH HE'LL TAKE A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, THOUGHT YET.

UM, BUT OVERALL I THINK THAT THE MOOD IN THE ROOM WAS, UH, VERY PRODUCTIVE, WHICH WE KIND OF NEED.

UM, AND PARTICULARLY IT, I GUESS ONE OF THE THINGS I WANTED TO SPEAK ON WAS THAT, THAT IT, SO WE JUST DID THE MILLIONS OF, MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF UPGRADE ON ALL THE NEW IT, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE, WHICH BY THE WAY IS REALLY FANTASTIC.

UH, I REALLY GOT TO SEE IT IN USE DURING THE FAIR, UM, AND IN THESE CHIP MEETINGS AND, AND SO IT'S, IT'S QUITE AN UPDATE.

IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE WORKING REALLY WELL.

UM, BUT YEAH, THEY'RE USING OUTSIDE IT AND I THINK THEY'D BE WAY BETTER OFF.

THEY'D GET WAY BETTER BANG FOR THEIR BUCK, UH, UTILIZING OUR IT, UM, WE WOULD, WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY AND RESOURCES TO MANAGE IT MUCH BETTER.

SO, UM, I THINK THAT WAS A NO-BRAINER.

UM, SO, YOU KNOW, THESE THINGS WILL BE COMING FOR YOU, UH, IN THE NEXT, BEFORE YOU, IN THE NEXT, YOU KNOW, COUPLE OF MONTHS.

I THINK WE'LL GET THIS PRETTY MUCH WRAPPED UP.

IS THERE ANYTHING FROM THE COMMITTEE THAT THEY'D LIKE TO ASK ABOUT IN REGARDS TO WHAT WE'RE DOING OUT THERE OR HOW THINGS ARE GOING? JUST GOT TWO QUESTIONS.

GO RIGHT AHEAD.

SUPERVISOR CROPS, JAMIE, YOU HAD SAID EARLIER IN YOUR REMARKS THAT IT WAS ABOUT 1.1 MILLION PER YEAR THAT IT COST TO OPERATE THAT THE FACILITY, BUT AT THE THE LAST SLIDE IT SAYS THIS IS COST OF OPERATING THE EVENT CENTER.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF I GOT MY WORDING DIFFERENT, BUT IT'S ABOUT 929,000.

SO THERE'S A DIFFERENCE OF 1.7 OR 170,000.

YEP, I CAN ANSWER THAT.

SO THAT SLIDE DECK PARTIALLY WAS THE SAME SLIDE DECK THE WORK GROUP SAW.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS THE WORK GROUP DID, UM, AND THAT A IS REQUESTED AS PART OF THAT PROCESS IS THAT 900 NUMBER YOU SEE, WAS ESSENTIALLY ME TAKING THE BUDGET AND DOING MY BEST TO SEPARATE AND MAKE SOME ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT WHAT WOULD BE THE EVENT CENTER VERSUS A STRAIGHT FAIR COST IN THE EXPENSES.

UM, SO SOME OF THE, WHAT THEY DID IS THEY SENT THAT ASSUMPTION NAPKIN TO THE FINANCE COMMITTEE OF THE AGRICULTURAL AND INDUSTRIAL SOCIETY BOARD TO DISCUSS BECAUSE THERE WERE ASSUMPTIONS IN THERE LIKE, AND I DON'T REMEMBER THEM ALL EXEC EXACTLY, BUT, UM, THE, UH, ONE OF OUR FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES, THE FAIR AND EVENTS MANAGER IS GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, 75% ALLOCATED TO THE FAIR.

EVERYBODY'S WAGES FOR THE ENTIRE AND BENEFITS FOR THE ENTIRE MONTH OF JULY IS GONNA BE TO.

SO THERE WERE SOME, UM, ASSUMPTIONS MADE LIKE THAT.

AND SO WHEN THE FAIR BOAT, THE AGRICULTURE INDUSTRIAL SOCIETY BOARD'S FINANCE COMMITTEE REVIEWED IT, THEY FELT LIKE, UM, A MILLION WAS PROBABLY CLOSE, BUT THERE HAS BEEN AN ONGOING FEELING BY THE AGRICULTURE INDUSTRIAL SOCIETY BOARD THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL EMPLOYEE IN THE EVENT CENTER MARKETING SPACE TO, UM, GET BUSINESS IN.

AND SO THEY FELT LIKE THEY WERE CURRENTLY UNDERSTAFFED AND SO THEY WANTED TO BE MORE CONSERVATIVE IN WHAT THEY REAL, YOU KNOW, TO SAY WHAT IS THE COST TO RUN THIS PLACE.

THEY REALLY WANTED ANOTHER PERSON TO RUN THE PLACE AS WELL.

SO THEY ADDED IN THAT A HUNDRED THOUSAND AS A, WHICH COSTS ARE GROWING FAST.

SO NOW I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S EVEN QUITE THAT MUCH, BUT THERE IS ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS IN THE 1.1 MILLION THAT THEY ADDED IN FOR ANOTHER FULLY LOADED COST OF AN EMPLOYEE BECAUSE THEY FELT LIKE THEY WANTED TO GROW AND WERE MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT WHEN FIGURING OUT A LONG TERM, UM, SUPPORT COST.