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          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          WE'LL CALL THIS PUBLIC WORKS COMMITTEE MEETING TO ORDER. 
          UH, THIS MEETING WAS POSTED, UH, AT THE OFFICE OF THE COUNTY CLERK ON THE NINTH DAY OF OCTOBER, 2026. 
          NOTICE WAS SENT TO THE WASHINGTON COUNTY DAILY NEWS EXPRESS NEWS, W-I-B-D-W-M-B-Z RADIO, WTKM RADIO. 
          MY COMMUNITY NOW HARTFORD TIMES PRESS, KI WASUM STATEMAN, AND THE MILWAUKEE JOURNAL SENTINEL. 
          WE ARE ALL HERE WITH THE EXCEPTION OF, UH, SUPERVISOR M**K, WHO'S BUSY AT ANOTHER MEETING. 
          AND WE'LL STAND FOR A MOMENT OF PRAYER AND PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. 
          I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. 
          OKAY, DID EVERYBODY HAVE A CHANCE TO LOOK OVER THE MINUTES FROM SEPTEMBER 17TH? DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY ADJUSTMENTS OR CHANGES TO MAKE? WE'LL LEAVE THEM AS POSTED. 
          MOVING ON TO DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ITEMS, A TRANSIT RIDERSHIP REPORT. 
          CHARLIE, HOW ARE YOU TODAY? HELLO. 
          I'M DOING GREAT. 
          HOW ARE YOU? I'M GOOD. 
          LOOK AT THAT. 
          THE COUNT'S UP YET AGAIN. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THAT'S GOOD TO SEE. 
          OH, I GOTCHA. 
          RIGHT. 
          DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS WITH, I MEAN, WE'RE GONNA COVER THIS IN MORE DETAIL LATER ON, SO I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH YOU WANT TO GET INTO IT NOW, BUT DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE REPORT? UM, NOT ON, AND AGAIN, MAYBE THIS COULD BE BROUGHT UP NEXT, BUT BEFORE I LOSE THAT TRAIN OF THOUGHT, CHARLIE, IS IT POSSIBLE TO OVERLAY ON THIS PARTICULAR HOURS A DAY WHAT THE RIDER TYPES ARE? OR IS THAT GONNA BE TOO DIFFICULT FOR A VISUAL? OR CAN THERE BE ANOTHER SIMILAR GRAPH THAT CHARTS BY THE HOUR? THE TYPES OF DRIVERS DOES THAT? OR A RIDER RIDERSHIP? UH, YEAH, BECAUSE WE HAVE FOUR DIFFERENT RIDERSHIP TYPES, I BELIEVE. 
          UH, YEAH. 
          I CAN, UH, UH, PUT THAT, UH, CHART TOGETHER, UH, LIKE A LIVE CHART WITH THE, UH, RIDERSHIP TYPES, UH, BY DAY OF WEEK. 
          THAT WOULD BE GREAT TO UNDERSTAND. 
          YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, 2:00 PM YELLOW, YOU KNOW, 40 RIDERS ON WEDNESDAY AT AROUND 2:00 PM WELL, WHAT COMPRISES THAT GROUP OF 40 PEOPLE? IS THAT PREDOMINANTLY A, B, C, OR D? DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YOU MEAN LIKE THE, THE SECOND PAGE, BUT INSTEAD OF HAVING IT ON DAYS AND THE RIDERSHIP COUNT ACTUALLY HAVE WHAT IT'S FOR INSTEAD, LIKE THAT GRAPH ON THE SECOND PAGE. 
          IF, IF I COULD MAKE A SUGGESTION, MAYBE, UH, MAYBE INSTEAD OF THE, THE LINE GRAPH, MAYBE A BAR GRAPH WITH, UH, THIS MANY PEOPLE WERE ELDERLY, THIS MANY PEOPLE WERE THAT WITH LITTLE NUMBERS MAYBE ON THE SIDE, OR IF WE CAN GET THAT IN THERE, JUST TRY AND UNDERSTAND. 
          'CAUSE THERE'S CLEARLY A BIG PEAK AND HAS BEEN ALL YEAR. 
          WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THIS AROUND THAT 2:00 PM RANGE, AND IT'S JUST INTERESTING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S DRIVING THAT. 
          WHO ARE THEY MM-HMM . 
          YEAH, BECAUSE IF WE'RE GONNA, IN OUR STORY CHAIR, IN OUR FURTHER 
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DISCUSSION TODAY, YOU KNOW, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN, IF THERE WERE IMPACTS OR CHANGES TO ANY ONE OF THE TIMEFRAME? SO UNDERSTANDING WHAT THAT BASE WRITER TO, TO ME, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF I, I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TOO, IF IT'S OKAY, WE'LL ADD TO THAT AND ADD ACTUALLY WHERE THEY'RE COMING AND WHERE THEY'RE GOING. 
          SO WE'LL ADD ONE GRAPH WHERE THEY'RE ELDERLY, DISABLED, OR, OR WHAT THEIR CATEGORY IS, BUT WE'LL ALSO ADD ANOTHER CATEGORY OF, UH, WHERE ARE THEY GOING? ARE THEY USING IT FOR SOCIAL PURPOSES OR AGAIN, IT'S ALL SELF-REPORTED, SO IT'S ONLY AS GOOD AS THE DATA WE GET. 
          IT'S ONLY AS GOOD AS THE DATA COMING IN. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT. 
          IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT POSSIBLY MAKING CUTS IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, UM, WHO'S GETTING AFFECTED OR WHO ARE WE GONNA AFFECT WITH THOSE CUTS? I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT THEN. 
          SO YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. 
          YEAH. 
          OR PERHAPS DO IT INSTEAD OF SHOWING ALL OF THEM ON ONE GRAPH, IT COULD BE YEP. 
          YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE, UM, SOCIAL GRAPH. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THEN JUST DO THAT BY THE WEEK. 
          AND THEN, YOU KNOW, EMPLOYMENT, MEDICAL, SOCIAL, EDUCATIONAL AND PERSONAL BUSINESS. 
          THOSE COULD HAVE THEIR OWN GRAPH TOO. 
          WHATEVER'S EASIEST FOR US TO JUST I AGREE. 
          SO WE KNOW EXACTLY WHO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          WE'LL, WE'LL BRING YOU SOMETHING IN THE NEXT MONTH, AND IT'S NOT QUITE WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR. 
          WE CAN CERTAINLY MAKE EDITS. 
          WE CAN DO HELPFUL, PAUL, ALTHOUGH I WILL REMOVE THE DRIVERS PER HOUR FOR THAT, JUST 'CAUSE IT WOULD BE DISTORTED, YOU KNOW, FROM THE YEAH, FAIR ENOUGH. 
          OKAY. 
          IS THAT IT? FOR QUESTIONS ON THIS? IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN WE CAN MOVE ON. 
          UH, DID YOU WANT TO DO THE OTHER TRANSIT ONE OR YOU STILL WANNA WAIT TILL LAST? RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          LET'S DO THE HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES BUILDING UPDATE THEN. 
          AND THANK YOU CHARLIE. 
          WE'LL SEE YOU IN A FEW MINUTES. 
          OKAY. 
          GOOD JOB, CHARLIE. 
          THANKS. 
          UH, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          YES. 
          UH, 'CAUSE, UH, THIS COMMITTEE HAS SEEN, UH, THE BUILDING, UH, REPORT BEFORE, UH, NOT IN QUITE THIS FORMAT, BUT HAS SEEN IT BEFORE. 
          AND OBVIOUSLY THREE MEMBERS OF OF THIS COMMITTEE ARE ON THE BUILDING COMMITTEE. 
          SO THEY, THEY'VE SEEN THIS, UH, FOR, FOR SEVERAL MORE MONTHS THAN THAT. 
          UH, WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE TRYING TO GET THIS, UH, IN FRONT OF OTHER COMMITTEES AS WELL, BECAUSE IT IS A, A PRETTY BIG THAT'S GONNA BE COMING TO YOU AS A COUNTY BOARD MEMBER, UH, MOST LIKELY IN THE DECEMBER TIMEFRAME. 
          SO, THE BUILDING COMMITTEE DID LAST MEET ON OCTOBER 6TH. 
          UH, THEY LOOKED AT SEVERAL OPTIONS. 
          UH, THEY CHOSE THE OPTION TO CONSTRUCT A NEW BUILDING. 
          UH, A COUPLE OF THEIR REASONS WERE THE, THE COSTS FOR THE NEW BUILDING, UH, THE PROXIMITY OF THE NEW BUILDING ON, ON SITE AND ON THE CAMPUS. 
          THEY LIKED THAT LOCATION, UH, VERSUS SOME OF THE OTHER OPTIONS WHICH MAYBE WERE NOT AS FINANCIALLY RESPONSIBLE, UM, OR AS LOWER MONEY WITH THE PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP, AS WELL AS REMODELING THE, THE PUBLIC AGENCY AND CENTER. 
          AND THAT, THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. 
          SO THE BUILDING COMMUNITY CAME UP WITH A RECOMMENDATION TO CONSTRUCT A NEW BUILDING. 
          UH, SO WITHIN THE PACKET, UH, WE DEFINITELY HAVE SOME DECISION POINTS THAT WE HAVE TO MADE THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS. 
          UH, ONE IS WHERE WE HAVE A, A FIRST FLOOR ONLY PART OF THE BUILDING, WHICH YOU MAY RECALL WHETHER WE PUT A STRUCTURAL ROOF ON THAT. 
          UH, IF WE DO THE MORGUE, UH, BUILD OUT, UH, OR THE, THAT COST TOO. 
          SO IF YOU DON'T DO THOSE TWO THINGS, YOU CAN SAVE ABOUT $1.2 MILLION. 
          WE'RE STILL REFINING THAT ANTICIPATED COST. 
          SO WE'RE ON A 35 TO $40 MILLION RANGE, IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. 
          THAT'S IN THE ROUGHLY THE MIDDLE OF YOUR FIRST PAGE. 
          ATTACHED TO THE REPORT IS, IS A LOT OF INFORMATION, AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. 
          BUT WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE GIVING YOU IT WITH THAT LARGE OF A DECISION LOOMING. 
          WE WANNA MAKE SURE YOU HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION AT ALL POSSIBLE. 
          UH, SO YOU'LL SEE THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH, WITH THAT POTENTIAL, UH, THING AS WELL AS IN YOUR PACKET, UH, IS THE ANTICIPATED SCHEDULE. 
          SO WE WILL BE LOOKING AT TAKING THIS TO THE NOVEMBER, UH, IT'S GOING TO THE OCTOBER EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE, UH, TO REVIEW NEXT WEEK. 
          UH, THEN IN NOVEMBER WE'LL BE ASKING THEM TO ACTUALLY APPROVE, UH, IF THEY WANT TO GO FORWARD WITH THE BUILDING TO APPROVE ROUGHLY A MILLION DOLLARS IN ARCHITECTURAL SERVICES TO KEEP THIS PROJECT MOVING FORWARD. 
          AND THEN ROUGHLY FIRST QUARTER OF 2027, UH, WE'D BE ASKING THE COUNTY BOARD, UH, FOR A BORROWING AMOUNT. 
          AND THAT'S WHEN YOU ACTUALLY GET THAT, THAT 35 TO $40 MILLION WOULD BE FURTHER NARROWED DOWN AT THAT POINT. 
          AND THEN OBVIOUSLY STARTING THE CONTRACT IN APRIL, JUNE, AND STARTING CONSTRUCTION IN JUNE OF 27 AND OCCUPYING THE BUILDING ROUGHLY THE FIRST QUARTER OF 29. 
          SO, UM, RELATIVELY AGGRESSIVE SCHEDULE, BUT ONE THAT, UH, WE THINK WE CAN MEET WITH, UH, WITH THE BUILDING GOING FORWARD. 
          SO THAT'S KIND OF THE SCHEDULE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT GOING FORWARD. 
          OBVIOUSLY, WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE THE COUNTY BORROW. 
          I DON'T AS A CITIZEN BORROW A MILLION DOLLARS AND THEN NOT GO FORWARD THE $40 MILLION, THAT DECISION IN DECEMBER, LIKE WE'VE MENTIONED EARLIER, WITH A FOUR, SOME FOUR $60,000 ASK THE FIRST TIME GOING. 
          UNDERSTAND THAT ANOTHER BORROWING IS COMING. 
          WHEN WE DO A BORROWING, THERE'S SOME NEW MEMBERS HERE. 
          UH, WE DO ACTUALLY, THAT GOES TO, TO THE COUNTY BOARD TWICE. 
          SO ONE FOR THE ACTUAL BORROWING RESOLUTION, ANOTHER THAT ACTUALLY APPROVES ACTUAL BORROWING THE AMOUNT OF DEBT THAT YOU'RE GONNA RECEIVE. 
          SO YOU'LL SEE IT ACTUALLY TWICE COMING THROUGH WITH TWO DIFFERENT SESSIONS AT THE COUNTY BOARD LEVEL. 
          SO WE'RE GIVING YOU, UH, LOTS OF AMPLE OPPORTUNITY NOW TO START CONVERSATION. 
          OBVIOUSLY BUILDING COMMITTEE'S, BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR MONTHS, BUT NOW 
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ANY COMMENTS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE, UH, GOING FORWARD, WE'D APPRECIATE THOSE EARLY ON IN THE, IN THE CONVERSATION, NOT WAIT TILL OUR SECOND BORROWING PACKAGE, UM, AND DECIDE NOT, NOT TO MOVE FORWARD ON THIS, BUT WE SPENT A LOT OF MONEY. 
          SO INSIDE YOUR PACKET IS A LOT OF THE INFORMATION THAT THE BUILDING COMMITTEE SAW. 
          THE THE 30%, UH, THE 30 YEAR ESTIMATE IS WHAT THEY REQUESTED FOR. 
          SO ON THAT IS, THERE'S A, AND MAYBE I'M BETTER OFF PAUSING FOR QUESTIONS NOW. 
          I REALIZE SOMETIMES I GET GOING 'CAUSE I I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR SO LONG, I JUST, I SOMETIMES FORGET TO PAUSE. 
          SUPERVISOR GITZ, YOU HAD A QUESTION? UH, THANK YOU MORE OF A, A COMMENTARY OF WHILE YOU ALLUDED TO IT. 
          I I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, ANYONE LISTENING, UH, AND HADN'T BEEN PARTICIPATING IN THE BUILDING COMMITTEE, THAT THERE WAS, I WANT TO SAY IT WAS NECK AND NECK, UH, BETWEEN, UH, BUILDING A NEW FACILITY, BUT THERE WAS CONSIDERABLE, UH, DISCUSSION ABOUT REMODELING THE EXISTING FACILITY. 
          AND, AND I, I THINK THAT'S PERTINENT AND AND WISE FOR ALL BOARD MEMBERS TO, TO UNDERSTAND AND REALIZE THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, IT WASN'T CHASING THE, THE SHINY, YOU KNOW, GOBLET. 
          IT WAS WHAT MAKES MOST SENSE. 
          AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE TOTALITY OF THE, THE TWO OPTIONS, THE BUILDING, UH, COMMITTEE FOR, UH, A FEW MILLION DOLLARS LESS. 
          UM, AND THAT'S ASSUMING EVERYTHING GOES WELL WITH, UH, RE UH, REMODELING. 
          WHILE WE WERE ASSURED THAT, UH, WE LIKELY WOULDN'T SEE SOME OF THE CONTINGENCIES THAT WE SAW IN THIS FACILITY, SUCH AS, UM, ASBESTOS, UH, ET CETERA, THAT LIKELY DOESN'T EXIST. 
          THERE, THERE WAS STILL CONCERN ABOUT, UH, WHAT DO YOU DO WITH THE FULL SPACE OR PARTIAL SPACE SPACE, MEANING 65 OR 75 TOTAL THERE, AND IF YOU DON'T DO A SECTION OF IT, SO IT MADE SENSE TO REMODEL THE ENTIRE SQUARE FOOTAGE, BUT DID THAT BRING THE SAME VALUE OF A NEW FACILITY WITH ONGOING COSTS? THAT'S WHY WE DID THE COMPARISON 30 YEARS AND ALL THE OPTIONS. 
          UM, AGAIN, I'M JUST SHARING THAT FOR ANYONE LISTENING IN THAT IT, IT WAS WELL THOUGHT OUT BETWEEN THE TWO. 
          'CAUSE SOME JUST SAY, WHY WOULD YOU TEAR DOWN A PERFECTLY GOOD BUILDING? WELL, IT'S NOT PERFECTLY GOOD, BUT, UH, YEAH, IT'S STRUCTURALLY IT'S SOUND. 
          BUT EVERYTHING CONSIDERED THE, AT LEAST IN MY OPINION, TO TAKE AWAY FROM THE, UH, AND JOHN, UH, FEEL FREE TO SHARE IN, UH, UM, THAT THIS OPTION WAS THE MOST PRUDENT, UH, TO RECOMMEND TO THE BOARD. 
          I AGREE WITH THAT. 
          THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD STATEMENT. 
          THE OTHER PART OF THAT TOO IS REPURPOSING THAT LAND AND STUFF WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT IS PUTTING THAT BACK ON THE TAX RULE. 
          YES. 
          ADDING MORE HOUSING. 
          HOUSING AND STUFF. 
          SO YES, THAT, THAT PART OF IT, I PUT THAT MUCH INTO THE BUILDING THAT REALLY ISN'T SET UP, COULD BE SET UP THIS WAY, BUT REPURPOSING THAT LAND AND I, LOOKING AT THOSE OVERVIEW MAPS WHEN WE WERE SITTING DOWN, AND AGAIN, I THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME. 
          YOU COULD SEE WHEN HE, WHEN HE WAS DOING GOOGLE MAPS, YOU COULD SEE HOW MANY HOUSES ALMOST YOU COULD LAY IT OVER THE TOP RIGHT. 
          AND GET, AND I, THAT'S THE OTHER PART OF THAT. 
          UM, YES. 
          SO, AND THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WAS BROUGHT UP IN THE DISCUSSION MULTIPLE TIMES TOO. 
          THAT TAX REVENUE THAT'S GONNA BE COMING IN IN PERPETUITY, YOU KNOW, THAT'S GONNA HELP PAY OFF THAT BUILDING AS WELL. 
          PLUS THE EFFICIENCY OF HAVING EVERYBODY ON THIS SIDE OF THE STREET. 
          YEP. 
          WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT CROSSING STREETS ANYMORE. 
          1, 1 1 1 PARKING LOT. 
          ONE COUNTY, ONE DRIVEWAY. 
          YEAH, EXACTLY. 
          SO, ALL RIGHT, SCOTT, I THINK WE'RE GOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I MEAN, AND THERE ARE QUESTIONS. 
          UH, SO IN THE PACKET, OBVIOUSLY, WE GAVE THE, THE 30 YEAR BREAKDOWN IN THE PACKET WE JUST HAD HAD MENTIONED THE REMODELING, THE PAC COSTS OF ROUGHLY 48 MILLION VERSUS CONSTRUCTING A NEW BUILDING, TOTAL COST AROUND 54 MILLION. 
          SO ROUGHLY A FIVE TO $6 MILLION SEPARATION BETWEEN THE TWO. 
          UH, AS SUPERVISOR B*****K POINTED OUT THE TAX REVENUE DIFFERENCE, UH, OF ONLY $6 MILLION IF YOU REMODEL THE PAC, BECAUSE YOU, YOU CAN'T REPURPOSE THE LAND UNDER THE PAC IF YOU'RE STILL USING IT VERSUS A $14 MILLION. 
          AND AGAIN, THAT IS ALL TAXING AUTHORITY. 
          SO I WANNA MAKE SURE WE'VE BEEN CRYSTAL CLEAR ON THAT FROM, FROM FROM DAY ONE. 
          SO MM-HMM . 
          THAT WAS IN YOUR PACKET. 
          UH, THE PA'S ESTIMATE WAS IN YOUR PACKET. 
          THE, UH, DUFFY CONSTRUCTION, UH, WHICH HELPED WITH THE COST ESTIMATE WAS IN THERE AS WELL AS THE BUILDING PLANS. 
          AND I KNOW THE COMMITTEE HAS SEEN THE BUILDING PLANS IN THE PAST. 
          UH, NOTHING HAS CHANGED SINCE THE LAST, UH, ITERATION THAT YOU'VE SEEN. 
          UH, BUT JUST FOR FULL TRANSPARENCY, IS TO MAKE SURE WE'RE INCLUDING THAT IN THE PACKET AGAIN. 
          UH, SO THAT, UH, YOU OR ANYBODY ELSE THAT'S WATCHING OR WANTS TO LOOK AT THIS PACKET, UH, HAS THAT INFORMATION WITH THEM. 
          BUT, UM, NOTHING HAS CHANGED AS FAR AS THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT LAYOUT AS YOU SEE UP IN THE SCREEN. 
          SAME LOCATION WE TALKED ABOUT THE LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT THE BUILDING. 
          UH, SO, SO NO MAJOR, NO MAJOR CHANGES 
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TO THE, OR NO CHANGES AT ALL, UH, TO THE BUILDING AND THE BUILDING LAYOUT BESIDES WHAT THE COMMITTEE ASKED FOR COSTS FOR THE, THE STRUCTURAL ROOF ON THE SOUTH PORTION OF THE BUILDING, AS WELL AS A POTENTIAL WHITE OR BOX BUILD OUT FOR THE MORGUE. 
          AND I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO BRING UP THAT THE BUILDING COMMITTEE THOUGHT THAT, UH, BECAUSE OF THE CLIENTELE, THAT THE, THE CANOPY ALTERNATE WOULD GO BECAUSE OF THE CLIENTELE, BUT THE MORGUE WOULD BE PUT OFF OR TAKEN OFF. 
          YEAH. 
          WHEN YOU SAY WOULD GO, YOU MEAN WOULD BE INCLUDED BE INCLUDED, RIGHT? YES. 
          UM, AND THEN WOULD BE INCLUDED WITH THIS PACKAGE. 
          BUT THE FUTURE MORGUE PART WAS GONNA BE HELD, HELD OFF, BECAUSE APPARENTLY THE AGREEMENT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW AT THE SAMARITAN, THEY COULD BE THERE FOREVER. 
          I MEAN, THAT COULD CHANGE, BUT RIGHT NOW THE INFORMATION WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IS THAT THE SM THE MORGUE IS GONNA STAY THERE FOR QUITE SOME TIME. 
          RIGHT? YES. 
          I THINK, AND THAT'S A, THAT'S ALSO A DECISION THAT, SO THE STRUCTURAL ROOF IS VERY IMPORTANT TO HAVE AS WHEN YOU'RE BIDDING, BECAUSE THAT'S A, A VERY DIFFERENT COST ASSOCIATED WITH IT, THE MORGUE. 
          WE COULD CARRY THAT ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE BIDDING PROCESS AND COME BACK AT THAT POINT TO SEE WHERE THE BIDS CAME IN AT. 
          OH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          SO THAT'S TRUE. 
          YES. 
          WE, WE CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          WE CERTAINLY COULD. 
          I THINK WE WOULD OVER THE SEVERAL MONTHS WHILE WE'RE FINALIZING THOSE BUILDING PLANS, WORK WITH THE BUILDING COMMITTEE TO SEE IF THAT'S SOMETHING THEY WANT TO SEE AS AN ALTERNATE BID OR SAY, NOPE, WE'RE WE'RE NOT GONNA, WE'RE NOT INTERESTED AT ALL. 
          LET'S JUST NOT DO IT. 
          SURE. 
          SO THAT, THAT'D BE A, A BUILDING COMMITTEE. 
          I WOULD, IF THE BUILDING COMMITTEE BY THE CHAIR IS, IS GONNA CONTINUE ON, WE WOULD ASK, THAT WOULD BE A DECISION MADE BY THE BUILDING COMMITTEE, NOT BY STAFF, BUT TO SEE IF YOU WANT TO SEE THAT OR JUST SAY, NOPE, IT DOESN'T INTEREST AT ALL, THAT'S FINE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THAT, THAT WOULD SAVE US TIME AND EFFORT AS WELL AS THE, THE BIDDERS TIME AND EFFORT, IF YOU'RE NOT GONNA GO THROUGH WITH IT. 
          SO, SURE. 
          UH, BUT THAT, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD, YOU COULD ADD THAT AS, AS A POTENTIAL ALTERNATE, UH, THE STRUCTURAL WORKFLOW. 
          THAT'S A BIG DESIGN CHANGE. 
          SURE. 
          OKAY. 
          BRIAN, DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION? YEAH, WELL, MORE OF A COMMENT THAT, AGAIN, BASED UPON THE SCHEDULE WE LOOKED AT EARLIER, UH, WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT THIS YET ONCE MORE. 
          OH, QUITE A FEW TIMES MORE. 
          YEAH. 
           WELL, YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT YES, SO IT, IT WOULD PROBABLY NOT COME BACK TO PUBLIC WORKS. 
          SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THE OCTOBER EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE TO LOOK AT THAT. 
          AND THEN IF THEY ARE IN AGREEMENTS WITH THAT, THEN THE NOVEMBER EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE WOULD THEN GO AHEAD AND PROVE A RESOLUTION TO BORROW ROUGHLY A MILLION DOLLARS FOR ARCHITECTURAL FEES. 
          NOW, IN BETWEEN THAT, IT WOULD BE UP TO THE BUILDING COMMITTEE CHAIR TO DECIDE IF THEY WANNA MEET IN BETWEEN THOSE TWO, UH, MEETINGS, UH, AFTER THE EXECUTIVE MEETS THE FIRST TIME, IF THERE'S OTHER QUESTIONS THAT THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE BRINGS UP, THEN THE BUILDING COMMITTEE WOULD HAVE A CHANCE TO POTENTIALLY REVISIT THAT BEFORE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE MAKES HER FINAL RECOMMENDATION. 
          IT'S TOUGH THAT THIS KIND OF COVERS A COUPLE DIFFERENT COMMITTEES BETWEEN PUBLIC WORKS HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES AND EXECUTIVE, BUT EXECUTIVE'S THE ONE THAT MAKES A FOUND DECISION ON THE BORROWING THE MONEY OR UTILIZING FUNDING FOR THE ARCHITECTURAL SERVICES. 
          SO IT'S ULTIMATELY THEIR DECISION. 
          UH, BUT IF THE CHAIR SO DECIDES THAT YOU WANT TO HAVE THIS ON YOUR, YOUR NEXT NOVEMBER MEETING, THAT'LL BE THAT TO CALL THE CHAIR MM-HMM . 
          TO DECIDE IF THEY WANT TO HAVE THIS ONE AGAIN, KNOWING THAT THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE MEETS THE FOLLOWING WEEK. 
          SO THAT'S IT. 
          I I DO THINK THE BUILDING COMMITTEE WILL BE MEETING A FEW TIMES THOUGH YET. 
          RIGHT. 
          , I WOULD ANTICIPATE, DEPENDING ON WHAT THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE DOES NEXT WEEK, AND THE QUESTIONS THAT THEY ASK, THEY MAY NEED TO MEET TO HASH OUT A FEW MORE THINGS. 
          GOTCHA. 
          OR NOT. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, AND THEN THE COUNTY BOARD SEES IT ALL IN IN DECEMBER. 
          YES. 
          BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET IN FRONT OF MANY COMMITTEES WE CAN, TO GET YOU PREPARED FOR THAT LARGE QUESTION. 
          SO I HAD MENTIONED THIS IN THE BUILDING COMMITTEE, AND I THINK IN ONE OF THESE PREVIOUS MEETINGS AS WELL AS, UH, THE, IS THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TODAY? ABSOLUTE. 
          AND EVEN BASED UPON DISCUSSION AND LAST NIGHT'S, UH, FULL BOARD MEETING, IT GIVES PAUSE IF WE'RE LOOKING AT A 30 YEAR WINDOW HERE. 
          UM, AND IF OUR PATTERN OF, UH, FTES ACROSS THE COUNTY DECREASING IN PRETTY MUCH EVERY DEPARTMENT EXCEPT THE SHERIFF DEPARTMENT, IF A MM-HMM . 
          NOT MISTAKEN, WILL WE NEED, LET'S SAY THERE'S 50 HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES EMPLOYEES TODAY, WILL WE NEED THEM ALL IN 10 YEARS FROM NOW BASED UPON ADVANCEMENTS IN TECHNOLOGY AND RESOURCES, AND EVEN AS WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, BEST IMPLEMENTING AI, UM, SO WILL THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE BE NEEDED IN 10 YEARS FROM NOW, OR FIVE YEARS FROM NOW? SO I THINK IT'S PRUDENT TO, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT BUILDING A BUILDING TODAY, AND WE'VE SEEN A TREND OF DECREASING STAFF NEEDS, IF WE'RE MAYBE A LITTLE CRAMPED FOR TWO OR THREE YEARS, BUT ALL OF A SUDDEN NOW WE HAVE 10,000 EMPTY SQUARE FEET 
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IN 10 YEARS, SHOULDN'T WE CONSIDER THAT NOW AND BUILD LESS VERSUS BUILDING MORE? SO AGAIN, AGAIN, I THROW THAT OUT THERE. 
          THERE'S MANY STAKEHOLDERS THAT ARE INVOLVED, BUT SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A BUILDING THAT'S DESIGNED THE LAST 30 OR 40 YEARS OR MORE, UM, AND WE'RE BUILDING IT FOR WHAT WE THINK IS TOMORROW'S NEED, OR A YEAR FROM NOW WHEN IT'S BUILT, WHAT ABOUT FIVE YEARS? IS THAT GONNA MATERIALLY CHANGE IN FIVE YEARS? RIGHT. 
          IT'S, THAT'S A QUESTION THAT'S HARD TO ANSWER, RIGHT? I, I THINK IT'S A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO ANSWER, CERTAINLY, BECAUSE IT IS THE CRYSTAL BALL, AND I DON'T HAVE ONE. 
          UH, BUT I THINK TWOFOLD. 
          ONE IS THE, THE BUILDING COMMITTEE, CERTAINLY, AS YOU KNOW, THE BUILDING PLANS THAT ARE IN THERE LOOK LIKE TRUE BUILDING PLANS, BUT THERE IS TIME TO MAKE CHANGES, RIGHT? THAT'S WHY WE, THEY'RE TRULY JUST CONCEPTUAL WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE. 
          SO CERTAINLY A BUILDING COMMITTEE WOULD BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THOSE TO SEE IF WE CAN, AS WE MENTIONED, I THINK AT ONE OF THE LAST BUILDING COMMITTEE MEETINGS, LOOK AT, UH, DOWNSIZING AND MAKE SURE WE'RE RIGHT SIZED ON THAT. 
          THE SECOND COMPONENT IS, UH, IF WE DO DEFINE OURSELVES THAT WE ARE, YOU KNOW, STAFF LIGHT AND HAVE SOME AREAS IN THAT BUILDING THAT COULD BE UTILIZED BY OTHER SERVICES, UH, WE HAVE RENTED SLASH LEASED OUT PORTIONS OF OUR BUILDING, UH, IN THE PAST. 
          SO I'LL PICK ON THE PUBLIC AGENCY CENTER NOW WHEN EXTENSION MOVED OUT, WE HAVE SERONA THAT CAME IN AND IS ACTUALLY LEASING SPACE FROM US AS WELL AS NRCS. 
          AND, UM, FFSA FARM SERVICE AGENCY ARE BOTH OUT THERE RENTING FROM US RIGHT NOW. 
          SO THERE'S ALSO THAT OPPORTUNITY IN THE FUTURE TOO, THAT SHOULD WE BE DOWNSIZED, MAYBE THERE'S SOMEONE WE CAN PARTNER WITH TO ACTUALLY COME IN THERE THAT IS A, A GOOD PARTNER THAT WOULD MAYBE MAKE SENSE IN THAT BUILDING TOO, TO ACTUALLY UTILIZE SOME OF THAT SPACE AND GET A LITTLE REVENUE AS WELL. 
          SO I'M NOT, WE'RE NOT BUILT UP FOR THAT RIGHT NOW. 
          WE'RE NOT JUST SAYING THERE'S EXTRA SPACE OUT THERE, BUT AS YOU, I THINK AS THE BUILDING COMMITTEE KNOWS, THERE IS A SPACE, UH, ON THE SECOND FLOOR THAT'S, UM, POTENTIALLY FOR, UH, A CLIENT LIKE A SERONA TO COME IN THERE AND, AND DO AN, AN ACT, DO, UH, SOME WORK. 
          WHAT, WHAT IS THAT? WHAT IS, WHAT IS THAT SARONA? I DON'T, YOU KNOW WHAT THEY DO OR WHAT, I'M JUST CURIOUS. 
          I, I APOLOGIZE. 
          I, I, OH YEAH, THAT'S ALL . 
          I, I DON'T KNOW, BUT I'M, I'M SURE AT THE NEXT MEETING THAT'D BE A JULIE QUESTION. 
          YEAH. 
          IT WOULD BE I A JULIE QUESTION. 
          I DON'T WANNA SPECULATE. 
          OKAY. 
          I KNOW A LITTLE BIT, BUT NOT ENOUGH TO SAY IT PUBLICLY. 
          . 
          UM, AND CONVERSELY THOUGH, UM, IF WE WERE TO NEED TO GROW, AM I CORRECT BY SAYING THAT THE, THE FIRST FLOOR, THE ROOF IS BEING, IS GOING TO BE STRONG ENOUGH THAT IF WE WOULD NEED TO ADD ON, WE COULD GO UP? WELL, I THINK THAT'S THE DECISION THAT THE, THE BUILDING COMMITTEE OR THE COUNTY BOARD NEEDS TO DECIDE IF, IF THEY WANNA DO THAT OR NOT. 
          RIGHT NOW, WE DO HAVE HOW IT'S LAID OUT RIGHT NOW, WE DO HAVE EXTRA ROOM IN EACH OF THOSE LOCATIONS. 
          SO PART OF THE, THE BUILDING PLAN SET, WHICH I'LL, I'LL PUT UP ON THIS SCREEN HERE. 
          OH, NOT THAT ONE. 
          THAT'S THE OVERALL COLOR ONE. 
          UM, I DIDN'T, YEAH, THERE, IT'S UP ON THE SCREEN NOW. 
          UH, SO FOR INSTANCE, LIKE A DRC HAS THREE EXTRA OFFICES THAT'S BUILT INTO THE AREA RIGHT NOW. 
          UH, THERE'S, I THINK, SIX EXTRA CUBICLES, MAYBE 12 DOWN IN THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE BUILDING. 
          SO THERE ARE SOME FUTURE EXPANSIONS BUILT IN TO EACH ONE OF THE INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENTS. 
          UH, PLUS WE HAVE QUITE A FEW CONFERENCE SPACES. 
          THAT'S THE, THE GRAY COLOR THAT'S KIND OF IN THAT AREA. 
          AND I'LL TRY TO ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT BETTER. 
          SO THERE'S, LIKE I SAID, EXTRA OFFICE SPACES WITHIN EACH OF THE AREAS THAT IT CAN UTILIZE. 
          THERE'S SOME CONFERENCE SPACES HERE THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE REPURPOSED. 
          THERE'S ALSO A LOT OF CONSULT ROOMS, UH, DOWN HERE. 
          KIND OF THAT KINDA LIKE WHEN YOU GO TO A CLINIC, YOU, YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE GOING TO YOUR, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO YOUR DOCTOR'S OFFICIAL OFFICE. 
          RIGHT. 
          THE DOCTOR WOULD BE YOUR, WOULD BE IN THE OFFICES DOWN HERE. 
          THEY'LL COME OUT TO GET THE CLIENT, LIKE A NURSE, JUST LIKE A CLINIC. 
          AND YOU'D MEET IN THESE CONSULT ROOMS. SO THERE'S A POTENTIAL WHERE SOME OF THOSE CALLED CONSULT ROOMS, LIKE THE THREE THAT ARE DOWN AT THE BOTTOM COULD BE, COULD BE OFFICES IN THE FUTURE. 
          SO WE KIND OF LOOKED AT THIS AREA TOO, AND GOING, ALRIGHT, SO FOR INSTANCE, THIS AREA HAS A NICE LARGE STORAGE AREA GOING WELL, WE COULD CONVERT THAT FROM STORAGE TO POTENTIAL CUBICLES IN THE FUTURE. 
          SO WE KINDA LOOKED AT THAT TO THAT. 
          WE, WE THINK, BASED ON JULIE'S BEST GUESS, RIGHT, THAT WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF FUTURE PROOF IN THERE FOR GOING LARGER, UH, BUT NOT TOO MUCH THAT WE'RE BUILDING IT TWICE AS BIG AS WE NEED. 
          IT'S A, IT'S A FINE LINE. 
          IT REALLY IS. 
          AND EVERYBODY KEEP IN MIND TOO, THAT WE'RE GOING FROM A, WHAT WAS IT, 125,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING TO A 65,000. 
          RIGHT? SO WE'RE ALMOST CUTTING IN HALF ALREADY. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND, BUT THE, THE TEAM THAT'S MOVING OVER HERE IS TAKING ABOUT 75,000 SQUARE FEET. 
          THEY'RE GOING DOWN TO 65. 
          SO THEY ARE, THEY'RE CUTTING BACK ALREADY, CUTTING BACK ON, ON THEIR SIZE. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          JUST A QUESTION ON 
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IF THIS GOES THROUGH, AND THAT GOES BACK RESIDENTIAL, DO WE SELL THAT TO THE CITY OF WEST BEND OR THOSE COUNTY HOUSE? I'M JUST KIND OF WONDERING HOW DOES THAT IT'S, IT'D BE MY UNDER IMPRESS MY IMPRESSION THAT'D BE NEXT GENERATION HOUSING, WHICH WOULD BE WEST BEND, OR WOULD THAT BE BECAUSE IT'S COMMON LAND CURRENTLY? IT'S PRIVATE, A LITTLE OUTTA MY PURVIEW. 
          OKAY. 
          HOW THAT EXACTLY WORKS. 
          THERE'S ONE OF THOSE, I KNOW THERE'S DEVELOPERS INVOLVED WITH THAT AS WELL. 
          THERE'S DEVELOPERS INVOLVED. 
          BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT LAND GOES INTO PRIVATE, WHOEVER BUYS THOSE HOUSES, BUYS THE LAND, THEY OWN THE LAND THEN. 
          SO IT WOULD BE LIKE ANY OTHER SUBDIVISION. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT WHERE IT'S PRIVATELY OWNED AND NOW IT'S IN THE TAX ROLLS AND EVERYTHING. 
          PAY TAXES TO THE CITY AND THE COUNTY. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          I GOTCHA. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S, IT'S GETTING, IT WOULD GET DEVELOPED. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE SUBDIVIDED AND THEN FORCED SOLD, BUILD THE HOUSE THERE. 
          I'M GOING TO BUY THE LAND AND EVERYTHING, AND IT'S OKAY. 
          CORRECT. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S NOT GONNA BE LEASED OUT OR OWNED BY THE COUNTY. 
          THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING IS, YEAH. 
          THE WAY THE OTHER ONE ARE GOING. 
          THAT MAKES, THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS WITH REGARDS TO THE, OH MAN, MY SCREEN JUST WENT BLANK HERE AGAIN. 
          RELOADING . 
          SORRY ABOUT THAT. 
          SO, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS WITH REGARDS TO THE HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES BUILDING UPDATE? SEEING NONE, WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE LAST ITEM WITH TRANSIT SHARE RIDE TAXI OPERATIONS HERE. 
          OH, THAT ONE. 
          YEAH, I GRAB THAT ONE. 
          I SWITCH FROM SCREEN, SCREEN SOMETIMES MY SCREEN. 
          SOLID. 
          NICE TO HAVE YOU BACK. 
          CHARLIE . 
          LET'S SEE. 
          OKAY. 
          MAKE SOME SPACE HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WASHINGTON COUNTY OPERATES ON A BIANNUAL BUDGET. 
          AND SO THE NEXT, UH, BIANNUAL BUDGET CYCLE PLANNING WILL START, UH, NEXT YEAR, AND THEY'LL BE FOR 28 AND 29. 
          AND AS RECENTLY DISCUSSED WITH THIS COMMITTEE, UH, THERE'S A FUNDING GAP THAT'LL BE STARTING IN 2028. 
          AND THAT IS DUE TO A, UH, DEPLETION IN, UH, SHORT-TERM, UH, SHORT-TERM FUNDING SOURCES. 
          UH, SO THE COMMITTEE REQUESTED, UH, OPTIONS OR LEVERS, UH, THAT ARE IN CONTROL OF THE COMMITTEE THAT WE CAN USE TO, UH, REDUCE THIS, UH, FUNDING GAP. 
          SO A QUICK OVERVIEW OF THE SERVICE HERE. 
          SO WASHINGTON COUNTY TRANSIT HAS A SHARED RIDE, TAXI, UH, PROGRAM. 
          UH, IT HAS A CONTRACTED PROVIDER CURRENTLY. 
          GO RIGHT WAY. 
          UH, SO THE CONTRACT STARTED THIS YEAR. 
          IT'S THE FIRST OF A FIVE YEAR, UH, CONTRACT. 
          UH, THIS POWERPOINT WAS, UH, FROM JUNE. 
          SO IT'S NOT IN THE OKAY. 
          IN THE AGENDA. 
          I'M JUST, UH, JUST ILLUSTRATING THE, UH, SURE. 
          UH, THE AGENDA HERE. 
          UH, THEY PROVIDE THE, UH, DISPATCHING THE DRIVERS OPERATIONS MAINTENANCE, AND THEY ALSO OPERATE OUTTA THEIR, UH, FACILITY. 
          SO IT'S A TWO YEAR BASE CONTRACT. 
          SO THE RATE IS FIXED FOR THIS YEAR AND NEXT YEAR. 
          AND THEN THERE ARE THREE OPTIONAL RENEWALS. 
          UH, THOSE RENEWALS. 
          THE, UH, THE INCREASE FOR THOSE OPTIONS IN THE, IN THE RATE WILL BE BASED ON THE PREVIOUS YEAR'S. 
          UH, CPI, I BELIEVE IT'S, UH, JUNE. 
          SO THE JUNE 20, 27 CPI WILL DECIDE THE INCREASE FOR THE 2020, UH, EIGHT, UH, CONTRACT PERIOD. 
          UH, SO WASHINGTON COUNTY, UH, WE ADMINISTER THE PROGRAM. 
          WE, UH, MANAGE THE GRANTS. 
          WE PURCHASE THE VEHICLES, AND WE LEASE THEM TO THE PROVIDER. 
          UH, WE OWN THE DISPATCHING SOFTWARE, AND WE ALSO PROVIDE THE FUEL, UH, TO THE PROVIDER. 
          SO OUR CURRENT FUNDING SOURCES, UH, SO WE HAVE, UM, WE HAVE FAIRES, WE HAVE THE LOCAL LEVY, AND WE HAVE A STATE AND FEDERAL FUNDING. 
          AND THEN THE COMMITTEE CONTROLS THE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES, UH, FOR THE PROGRAM. 
          AND BECAUSE WE RECEIVE, UH, FEDERAL AND, UH, STATE FUNDING, THERE ARE LIMITATIONS TO WHAT WE CAN CHANGE WITH THE PROGRAM. 
          UH, FOR INSTANCE, THERE IS A, UH, FAIR 
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INCREASE IN SERVICE REDUCTION POLICY, UH, AS, UH, THE THRESHOLD DETERMINES WHETHER A, UH, PUBLIC HEARING IS REQUIRED. 
          AND I'VE ALSO BROUGHT UP THE, UH, PREVIOUS OPTIONS THAT DECISIONS THAT THE COMMITTEE HAS GONE THROUGH IN PREVIOUS YEARS, UH, SUCH AS ELIMINATING THE BUS SERVICE IN 2023, UH, INCREASING THE TAXI FAIR IN 23. 
          THAT STARTED IN 24. 
          IN 24, WE, UH, REDUCED THE HOURS OF OPERATION, WHICH, UH, STARTED IN 2025. 
          AND THEN IN 2025 FOR THE 2026 PERIOD, WE REDUCED THE TOTAL CONTRACT HOURS FROM 58,000 TO 53,000. 
          SO IN THE PACKET, UH, THE FIRST ATTACHMENT IS THE AVAILABLE, UH, QUOTE UNQUOTE LEVERS THAT THE COMMITTEE CAN CONTROL FOR THE SHARED RIDE TAXI SYSTEM. 
          AGAIN, THERE ARE, UH, LIMITATIONS, UH, SET BY STATE AND FEDERAL. 
          SO ANY CHANGE WOULD HAVE TO BE, UH, HAVE, BE ASSESSED IN REGARDS TO THOSE, UH, REGULATIONS. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          SO I'LL GO THROUGH EACH OF THE LEVERS AND I'LL GO THROUGH 'EM ALL, AND THEN I CAN, UH, UH, TAKE ANY QUESTIONS AT THE END OF, UH, AND IT'S THE LIST HERE. 
          IT IS FAIRLY  LONG. 
          UH, SO CURRENTLY WE HAVE, UH, UH, ONE LEVER IS FLEET SIZE. 
          SO WE HAVE 30 VEHICLES. 
          SO WE COULD, UH, DECREASE THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES OR INCREASE. 
          UH, SO THAT WOULD AFFECT THE, UH, UTILIZATION AND, UH, OF THE CURRENT VEHICLES, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE 28 VEHICLES, THEN THEY WOULD'VE TO CARRY THE, YOU KNOW, THE LOAD OF THE TRIPS THAT 30 VEHICLES TOOK. 
          SO IT COULD BE MORE WEAR ON VEHICLES, BUT IT COULD REDUCE, UH, FUTURE CAPITAL, UH, NEEDS, UH, VEHICLE COMPOSITION. 
          UH, SO WE HAVE, WE HAVE 11 MINIVANS, UH, NINE MINI BUSES, EIGHT TRANSIT VANS, AND TWO, UH, NON A DA VANS. 
          UH, SO WE COULD CHANGE THE NUMBER, UH, OR TYPE OF ACCESSIBLE VEHICLES. 
          UH, THERE'S ALSO LIMITATIONS ON THAT, ON HOW MANY HAVE TO BE, UH, A DAI WOULD HAVE TO CHECK WITH THE, UH, UH, STATE COMPLIANCE, UH, MANAGER TO SEE WHAT THE EXACT PERCENTAGE OF A DA VEHICLES WOULD BE. 
          UH, SO WE CAN NO LONGER, UH, UH, OBTAIN MINI BUSES AS THOSE WILL NOT BE, UM, WITH OUR CURRENT PLANNING, THOSE WILL NOT BE PURCHASED, UH, IN THE FUTURE. 
          UH, WE ORDER OUR VEHICLES OFF OF THE, UH, STATE HUMAN SERVICE VEHICLE BID. 
          THEY DO A LOT OF THE PROCUREMENT, UH, HEAVY LIFTING ON THE, ON THE PAPERWORK, AND MOST OF THE TRANSIT AGENCIES AND OUR TIER, UH, PURCHASE OFF OF THAT, UH, BID. 
          UH, SO THERE'S ALSO THE, UH, SERVICE HOURS. 
          UH, SO CURRENTLY WE'RE MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, UH, 5:00 AM TO 9:00 PM SATURDAY, 5:00 AM TO 8:30 PM AND SUNDAY, 8:00 AM TO 4:00 PM. 
          UH, SO WE COULD CHANGE THE DAILY START AND END TIMES WE COULD, UH, WHICH COULD REDUCE OR INCREASE THE SERVICE HOURS AND, UH, OPERATING COSTS, ALTHOUGH IT MAY AFFECT, UH, PEOPLE WHO RELY ON IT FOR, UH, DURING THOSE HOURS. 
          CHARLIE, I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU. 
          MM-HMM . 
          WOULD IT BE POSSIBLY FOR YOU TO SHARE THAT WITH, WITH US AGAIN, THAT ONE PAGE? BECAUSE WHAT I LIKE IS THAT BREAKS DOWN ALL OUR DIFFERENT SERVICES AND THE DIFFERENT, OH, THIS ONE IS IN THE PACKET. 
          OH, IT DID? OKAY. 
          I DIDN'T SEE IT. 
          YEAH, IT'S, UM, PAGE 20. 
          MAYBE I WENT TOO FAR. 
          OH, THERE WE GO. 
          YEAH. 
          SORRY, I WAS JUMPING AROUND EARLIER JUST FOR ILLUSTRATION, BUT YEAH, THIS IS, YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          I WAS BELOW AND I WAS SCROLLING DOWN TO SEE IT. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT ISN'T THERE. 
          UH, AND, AND THE REASON I'M ASKING FOR THAT IS BECAUSE MY FIRST QUESTION IS GONNA BE, OKAY, WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DEALING WITH THIS EVERY DAY. 
          WHAT IS THE LOW HANGING FRUIT? IN OTHER WORDS, WHAT, WHERE'S THE EASIEST PLACE THAT YOU WOULD SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT, THIS MIGHT BE WASTEFUL. 
          MAYBE IF WE CUT HERE OR CUT THERE, OR, FROM WHAT I'M SEEING, BECAUSE I DEAL WITH THIS EVERY DAY, THIS MIGHT BE A WASTE. 
          MAYBE WE CAN LOOK AT ELIMINATING SOMETHING HERE. 
          I GUESS HAVING FEEDBACK FROM YOU GUYS MIGHT BE REALLY IMPORTANT TO US, MAKING DECISIONS AS WELL. 
          AND I KNOW IT'S A, IT'S SUBJECTIVE, RIGHT? BUT, BUT EVEN LIKE I SAID, HAVING THAT FEEDBACK WOULD REALLY HELP US TO THE, TO DETERMINE WHAT AREAS WE CAN START LOOKING AT AND FOCUSING ON. 
          THANK YOU. 
          CONTINUE. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, DO YOU WANT ME TO ADDRESS THAT QUESTION, OR JUST FOR FUTURE? I THINK IT WAS A COMMENT MORE I'LL, MORE OF A COMMENT. 
          IT WAS KIND OF A COMMENT ABOUT, YEAH, WHEN WE START DIGGING 
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INTO THIS, WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU GUYS THINKING? WHAT ARE SOME GOOD IDEAS THAT YOU GUYS KNOW, DEALING WITH THIS IN A DAY IN AND DAY OUT BASIS? HEY, HERE'S WHAT I SEE FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE. 
          YEAH, THAT'S SOMETHING CERTAINLY WE, WE WILL BE PROVIDING OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL MONTHS, BUT RIGHT NOW, I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR THE COMMITTEE AND THE GENERAL PUBLIC TO KNOW ALL THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT ARE OUT THERE. 
          YES. 
          THAT EVEN IF WE PROVIDE, SAY WE WANNA DO THE FIRST THREE ON THE LIST, FOR INSTANCE, JUST PICKING, BUT YOU SHOULD ALSO KNOW THERE'S OTHER ONES ON THAT LIST AS WELL, THAT, THAT THIS COMMITTEE AND WE CAN DO, UH, TO MAKE SOME MODIFICATIONS AND CHANGES. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          CONTINUE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN THERE ARE, UH, SERVICE DAYS, UH, THAT CORRELATES WITH SERVICE HOURS. 
          UH, INSTEAD OF A REDUCTION IN HOURS, IT COULD BE A REDUCTION IN A WHOLE DAY. 
          SO WE COULD ADD, CAN'T ADD ANY DAYS, UH, COULD ELIMINATE DAYS, UH, WHICH WOULD, UH, CHANGE, UH, AVAILABILITY AND OPERATING COSTS. 
          UH, WHETHER IT JUST MOVES CONTRACTED HOURS INTO OTHER DAYS, AND IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE TOTAL, UH, CONTRACT COST. 
          A LOT OF THESE LEVERS ARE INTERCONNECTED, UH, AS YOU CAN, UH, SEE HERE IN A LOT OF THE PRIMARY EFFECTS AND CONSIDERATIONS THAT, UH, CONTRACT HOURS, YOU KNOW, AFFECTS EVERYTHING ELSE AS, UH, AS WELL AS EACH OF THESE INDIVIDUAL LEVERS. 
          UH, SO, UH, SO LOW DEMAND DAYS MAY PRESENT, UH, OPPORTUNITIES FOR EVALUATION. 
          WE DID, UH, EVALUATE THE WEEKENDS. 
          UH, I BELIEVE THAT WAS LAST YEAR, UH, WITH THE COMMITTEE. 
          UH, SO THE CONTRACTED SERVICE HOURS, THAT'S HOW MANY HOURS, UH, WE PURCHASED FROM OUR, UH, THIRD PARTY PROVIDER FOR THE SHARED RIDE TAXI SERVICE. 
          SO WE COULD INCREASE OR, UH, DECREASE THE HOURS, UH, PURCHASED FROM THE PROVIDER. 
          UH, THERE'S ALSO THE, UH, FAIR STRUCTURE. 
          UH, IT COULD BE THE FAIR RATES FOR THE CURRENT, UH, MILEAGE TIERS. 
          I CAN BRING UP THE CURRENT, UH, FAIR STRUCTURE HERE. 
          HERE'S THE CURRENT FAIR STRUCTURE. 
          SO WE COULD ADJUST THE CURRENT RATES FOR ALL OF THESE TIERS. 
          WE COULD CHANGE THE TIERS THEMSELVES. 
          IT COULD BE GROUPING MILEAGES, UH, MILE CATEGORIES TOGETHER, OR IT COULD BE A FLAT RATE SYSTEM. 
          UH, WE COULD LOOK INTO DIFFERENT OPTIONS AND, UH, LOOK AT DIFFERENT TRANSIT SYSTEMS ON WHAT WORKS FOR THEM. 
          IT IS DIFFICULT, YOU KNOW, WITH A COUNTYWIDE SERVICE. 
          YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE FLAT RATE SYSTEMS ARE WITHIN A, A CITY, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S A, UH, THEY'RE ALL WITHIN A CERTAIN, UH, AMOUNT OF MILES. 
          AND THERE'S THE, UH, SENIOR FAIR ELIGIBILITY. 
          SO THE CURRENT SENIOR AGE IS, UH, 60. 
          UH, IT CAN GO UP TO, UH, 65. 
          UH, WE'LL DOUBLE CHECK ON THE LOWEST AGE. 
          IT COULD BE, I'M NOT SURE IF IT, IT COULD POSSIBLY BE 55. 
          SO BETWEEN 55 AND 65 AS A SENIOR AGE. 
          UH, CONSIDERATIONS WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, INTERFAITH CAREGIVERS, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEIR, YOU KNOW, AGE CATEGORIES ARE ON WHAT THEY ACCEPT. 
          YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANNA, WE WOULD WANNA CONSIDER IF THERE'S ANY GAP IN, UH, UH, SENIOR COVERAGE FOR, FOR TRANSPORTATION. 
          AND SO THERE, UH, SENIOR FAIR ELIGIBILITY THAT WOULD AFFECT, UH, WHAT FAIRES THEY PAY. 
          BUT IT'S POSSIBLE IF THEY'RE MOVED INTO A DIFFERENT CATEGORY, THEN THEY WOULDN'T RIDE OR, OR UTILIZE THE SHARED RIDE TAXI SYSTEM, WHICH, YOU KNOW, COULD, COULD HAVE A NEGATIVE EFFECT ON THE OVERALL FARES, HAVE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES. 
          UH, THERE'S A DISABLED FAIR VERIFICATION. 
          UH, SO CURRENTLY WE HAVE NO PROCESS. 
          IT'S A HONOR SYSTEM FOR DISABLED. 
          UH, WE COULD ESTABLISH OR MODIFY THE VERIFICATION METHOD. 
          UM, IT WOULD JUST HAVE TO BE, UH, CONSISTENT AND APPLICABLE WITH, UH, UH, STATE AND FEDERAL, UH, REQUIREMENTS. 
          UH, WE ALSO HAVE AGENCY FAIRES. 
          UH, THOSE DON'T REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING. 
          UH, THOSE ARE THE CHARGES. 
          UH, THE AFFAIRS CHARGE TO ORGANIZATIONS. 
          UH, MOST OF IT IS, UH, DEPARTMENT OF WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT OR, UH, THE STATE, UH, I LIFE PROGRAM OR, OR THROUGH MEDICAID HAD. 
          BUT THAT MIGHT ALSO AFFECT THE AGENCY FAIR. 
          UH, TRIPS. 
          UH, PEOPLE HAVE A, UH, UH, WHERE WE LAST INCREASED THE AGENCY 
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FAIRS. 
          UH, PEOPLE HAD MENTIONED THAT THEY HAVE A FLAT, OR THEY HAVE A FIXED BUDGET THROUGH THE STATE. 
          AND IF WE INCREASE THE FAIR RATE, THEN IT'S POSSIBLE THEY CAN, UH, UH, THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH FOR AS MANY TRIPS THEY USED TO HAVE. 
          SO THEY MIGHT JUST HAVE THE SAME BUDGET AND CAN AFFORD LESS TRIPS, OR IT'S POSSIBLE THEY COULD INCREASE THEIR OWN, UH, PERSONAL BUDGET. 
          SO, UH, THAT WOULD BE A KEY CONSIDERATION, UH, FOR AGENCY FAIRS. 
          AND LAST ON THIS LIST IS, UH, SERVICE AREA. 
          SO CURRENTLY WE SERVE, UH, WASHINGTON COUNTY, UH, WITH, UH, UH, CAN'T DO TRIPS WITHIN THE CITY OF WEST BEND, AS WELL AS, UH, THE CITY OF HARTFORD, YOU KNOW, EXCLUDING, UH, UH, DOOR TO DOOR, UH, SERVICE. 
          WE GO INTO OZAKI. 
          IF YOU WANT TO DO A RETURN TRIP FROM OZAKI INTO WASHINGTON, UH, YOU HAVE TO COORDINATE WITH THE OZAKI, UH, TRANSIT. 
          AND WE ALSO GO INTO MENOMINEE FALLS, OR A PORTION OF MENOMINEE FALLS. 
          UH, I HAVE A SERVICE MAP. 
          THIS IS, UH, THE PRESENTATION FROM, UH, FROM JUNE OF THIS YEAR WITH THE MENOMINEE FALLS, UH, BOUNDARIES. 
          CHARLIE, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THAT FAIR RATE SHEET AGAIN? OH, WITH THE CURRENT FAIR RATES? THE CURRENT FAIR RATES? YEAH. 
          CAN YOU REMIND ME AND SHARE WITH THE COMMITTEE WHY YAZAKI CROSS COUNTY SURCHARGE? I MEAN, IS THAT ADDED TO THE FEES ABOVE? UH, YES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT'S NOT JUST A, A LOWER RATE TO GO ACROSS. 
          RIGHT? IF YOU, UH, WERE AN ADULT GOING OVER 20 MILES INTO OZAKI, IT'D BE, UH, 33, 30 $3. 
          I'M WONDERING IF IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO RAISE THOSE UP. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD, UH, HOW THAT WOULD AFFECT ANYTHING. 
          AND WE COULD SEE WHAT THEIR RATE IS BACK TO US, OBVIOUSLY. 
          YEAH. 
          THEY COME BACK TO US. 
          CORRECT. 
          THAT IS SOMETHING THAT, AND, UH, AS CHARLIE MIGHT SHOW UP, SEVERAL COMMITTEE MEMBERS SAW A MAP OF, SO WE KNOW WHERE PEOPLE ARE COMING AND GOING. 
          SO WE DO KNOW WHAT, FOR INSTANCE, IF YOU DECIDE LET'S GO FROM $3 TO $5, FOR INSTANCE, WE CAN SAY, YEP, WE HAD THIS MANY RIDES. 
          THIS IS ABOUT HOW MUCH FAIR REVENUE YOU WILL GET OFF OF THAT. 
          UH, BUT WE ALSO PROBABLY ADD A LITTLE PERCENTAGE THAT WE MIGHT LOSE A COUPLE RIDES DEPENDING ON HOW HIGH IT GOES AS WELL. 
          SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CHARLIE'S GOT A GREAT SPREADSHEET THAT WE CAN GO THROUGH ALL THAT STUFF WITH YOU AS WELL TO KIND OF SHOW THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THERE. 
          THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OTHER THINGS THAT OVERLAPS A LITTLE BIT SAYING. 
          YEP. 
          WE CAN DEFINITELY RAISE THAT RATE UP. 
          UH, WE WOULD WORK WITH OZAKI COUNTY, SEE WHAT THEIR RATE IS, I THINK IS, THERE'S FIVE. 
          UH, I'D HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK. 
          WE'LL DOUBLE CHECK THEIR, BECAUSE THEY ALSO HAVE CATEGORIES. 
          YEAH, THEY HAVE DIFFERENT, THEIR SYSTEM IS DIFFERENT THAN OURS. 
          BUT YEAH, SOMETHING WE DEFINITELY LOOK AT. 
          IT WOULD BE NICE TO SEE THEIR, UM, THEIR RATE CHARGES AS WELL. 
          HOW THEY, I WOULD JUST, IT WOULD BE NICE SINCE WE DO, WE'RE SO CLOSE AND WE DO WORK WITH THEM, THEM, THAT'S THEIR ZONES. 
          RIGHT. 
          IT WOULD JUST BE NICE TO SEE WHAT THEIR, ALL OF THEIR CHARGES AND CATEGORIES ARE TOO. 
          JUST SEE IF WE'RE OFF ANYWHERE. 
          LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEPLACE WE'RE JUST, WE ARE OFF, LIKE WE'RE NOT KEEPING UP, THEY'RE MILEAGE, YOU KNOW, MILE, BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE AN EASY COMPARISON. 
          WE'RE NOT SOMEWHERE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STATE OR SOMETHING JUST TO SEE. 
          SURE. 
          YOU KNOW, WHAT THEIR CAT, HOW MUCH THEY, HOW MUCH THEY'RE CHARGING FOR ALL THEIR THINGS TOO. 
          I CAN'T REMEMBER IF ZAKI COUNTY PAYS MORE, IN OTHER WORDS, KEEPS THEIR FAIRES LOWER AND USES TAXPAYER MONEY TO FUND MORE OF THIS, OR IF IT'S THE OTHER WAY AROUND. 
          YEAH, I BELIEVE THE FAIRES ARE LOWER. 
          THEY DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER PUBLIC TAXIS IN THE COUNTY. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          UH, SO A LOT OF THEIR, UH, THEY HAVE NEARLY DOUBLE OUR TRIPS, UH, PER MONTH. 
          BUT THAT'S BECAUSE THEY, UH, DON'T HAVE ANY COMPETING, UH, PUBLIC, UH, TAXIS. 
          I, I DO HAVE THEIR FARES UP, SO I'M JUST GONNA POINT YOU TO OUR ZERO TO FIVE MILES, SO WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE. 
          SO I'M JUST GONNA GO ACROSS THERE. 
          I'M GONNA GO WITH THEIRS. 
          SO THEY'RE IN THE SAME CATEGORIES. 
          THEIR SENIOR DISABLED IS $3, THEIR ADULT IS FIVE, THEIR STUDENT IS FOUR, AND THEIR AGENCY IS 18. 
          AND I'LL GO THERE OVER 20 MILES. 
          THAT'S THE SECOND TO BOTTOM. 
          SO LET'S SEE, SENIOR DISABLED IS SEVEN, UH, ADULT IS 10, STUDENTS ARE EIGHT. 
          AND AGENCY IS ALSO 18. 
          SO IT'S 18 FOR EVERY CATEGORY. 
          SO I DIDN'T PUT MY EYES UP AND DOWN FAST ENOUGH TO LOOK AT THE DIFFERENCE, BUT NOT TERRIBLY FAR OFF, I THINK IN MOST CATEGORIES AND ACROSS COUNTY IS THERE, DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE THAT INFORMATION TOO, OR IS THAT KIND OF THE SAME AS OURS OR IT IS $4. 
          FOUR. 
          OKAY. 
          $4 FOR ADULT STUDENT SENIOR AND $5 
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FOR AGENCY. 
          SO OKAY. 
          SLIGHTLY HIGHER THAN OURS. 
          SOAKING IT TO THE AGENCIES. 
          , NO COMMENT. 
          JUST 2, 2, 2 QUICK OBSERVATIONS ON THAT, ON THAT LAST LIST YOU HAD UP THERE. 
          UM, SO WE HAVE 30 VEHICLES. 
          IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO KNOW IS HOW MANY OF THOSE ARE UTILIZED AT ANY ONE TIME? WE HAVE 30, BUT WE'RE ONLY USING 10, YOU KNOW, AND THE OTHER OBSERVATION WAS WE CON IT SAYS CONTRACTED 53,000 HOURS. 
          HOW MANY OF THOSE ARE UTILIZED? DO WE UTILIZE ALL OF THEM, OR I BELIEVE THAT'S WE USING A WHAT WE USING ALL WE LESS, LESS ARE WE USING? I BELIEVE IF FOR CONTRACTING FOR 53, THAT'S HOW LONG THOSE DRIVERS ARE ALL. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THAT WAS OKAY. 
          AND THAT, THAT'S YEP, THAT'S WHAT I WAS WONDERING. 
          YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE CONTRACTING FOR 53, BUT I ONLY UTILIZING 30 NO, THE DRIVER, YEAH. 
          THAT WAS ALREADY CUT BACK WHEN WE CUT BACK, I BELIEVE SUNDAY HOURS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          OR WE CLOSED AT NINE INSTEAD OF 10. 
          NEXT PAGE, YOU KNOW, AND THAT, THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. 
          WE CAN ALSO LOOK AT TWEAKING. 
          DO WE WANT TO SHUT 'EM DOWN AT EIGHT RIGHT AT NIGHT? UM, BECAUSE THE RIDERSHIP IS SO LOW, AND I BELIEVE, UH, SUPERVISOR GATZ HAD ALLUDED TO THAT, UH, BEFORE AS WELL. 
          WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE RIDERSHIP SCALE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO UP, UP ON YOUR SCREEN, UH, SIR, FIST P*****K ARE, SO OF THOSE, THE BAR GRAPH, IF YOU WILL, THAT IS THE NUMBER OF DRIVERS ON THE ROAD. 
          SO THAT'S BASICALLY THE SAME AMOUNT OF, OF VEHICLES THAT ARE ON THE ROAD. 
          OKAY. 
          SO YOU CAN SEE THE, THE RED. 
          AND THEN RIGHT NEXT TO IT IS HOW MANY OF THE DRIVERS ARE OUT THERE ON SATURDAY AND ON SUNDAYS TOO. 
          I KNOW IT'S, THE COLOR CHOICES ARE MAYBE, UM, TOO CLOSE TOGETHER, UH, TO SEE ON A MAP OF THIS SCALE. 
          BUT, UH, THAT'S HOW MANY, UH, VEHICLES ON THE ROAD AT ANY GIVEN TIME. 
          SO DURING THE WEEK, IT'S JUST A SHADE OVER 15. 
          UM, SO 17 IS KIND OF OUR PEAK. 
          UH, BUT YOU'VE, ONE THING TO KEEP IN MIND THAT I KNOW WE HAVE 30 VEHICLES AND 17 IN THE ROAD AT ONE TIME, BUT THEY ALSO NEED VEHICLES THAT ARE THEN GETTING TIRE CHANGES ALL ROTATIONS. 
          AND WE DO OCCASIONALLY HAVE ACCIDENTS WITH OUR VEHICLES TOO. 
          SO THAT'S, SO THERE'S SOME BACKUPS. 
          THERE'S SOME BACKUPS AS WELL. 
          SO NOT SAYING WE'RE PERFECTLY RIGHT SIZED RIGHT NOW, I'M NOT SAYING THAT, BUT JUST LETTING YOU KNOW THAT YOU DO HAVE TO HAVE MORE THAN JUST THE MINIMUM ON THE ROAD AT THAT GIVEN TIME. 
          YOU DON'T WANT TO USE EVERY VEHICLE AT YOUR HAT, RIGHT? IF SOMETHING BREAKS DOWN AND YOU'RE OUT. 
          BUT I WOULD JUST, I'M JUST CURIOUS, BUT THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          YEP. 
          AND ALSO WITH THE HOURS WE HAVE, UH, UH, I HAVE THE TOTAL BUILD HOURS. 
          SO IN 2025, WE HAD, UH, 52,100, UH, UH, BUILD CONTRACT HOURS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND 24 52 AS AS WELL. 
          OKAY. 
          I MEAN, IF I'M, IF I'M LOOKING AT TWEAKING THIS THING, MY, MY THOUGHT IS I KEEP LOOKING AT THAT EIGHT O'CLOCK HOUR WHERE THERE'S ONE RIDE. 
          IS THAT, IS THAT EVERY MONDAY? OR IS IT ONE RIDE FOR THE WHOLE MONTH ON A MONDAY? UH, THIS IS THE, UH, AVERAGE TRIP BY HOUR. 
          SO, UH OH, AVERAGE. 
          OKAY. 
          YES, THE AVERAGE. 
          SO IT'S, SO THERE'S USUALLY ONE, ONE RIDER AT EIGHT O'CLOCK. 
          AND THAT WHEN YOU HAVE THAT EIGHT O'CLOCK HOUR NOW, IS THAT STOP AT EIGHT OR IS IT STOP AT NINE THEN IT STOPS AT NINE, RIGHT? NINE, YEAH. 
          SO IF WE CUT BACK, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CUTTING ONE PERSON OUT, RIGHT? AND TWO PEOPLE ON THURSDAY AND TWO PEOPLE ON FRIDAY. 
          UH, BUT, BUT WHEN YOU KEEP THOSE RIDERS OUT, THAT DISPATCHER'S ALSO THERE, RIGHT? AM I THINKING THIS RIGHT? AS LONG AS THE TAXIS ARE OUT, THE DISPATCHERS ALSO SITTING BEHIND A DESK AND RIGHT. 
          THERE'S, UH, DISPATCHERS. 
          YEAH. 
          SO YOU'RE NOT JUST CUTTING THOSE DRIVERS' TIMES BACK. 
          YOU'RE ALSO CUTTING A DISPATCHER BACK. 
          SO IT, AND THAT IT'S MONEY, IT'S HOURS, IT'S MONEY. 
          IF REMEMBER IT IS THE EIGHT. 
          SO NINE O'CLOCK IS WHEN WE END. 
          SO IT'S EIGHT TO NINE O'CLOCK HOUR. 
          AND AGAIN, OUR VEHICLES ARE TUCKED AWAY BACK IN THEIR BEDS AT NINE O'CLOCK. 
          RIGHT? SO AGAIN, IF YOU'RE DRIVING FROM WAYNE, YOU MIGHT NOT GET A RIDE ALL THE WAY TO NINE O'CLOCK. 
          THEY MIGHT HAVE TO DROP YOU OFF AT EIGHT 30 SO YOU CAN GET BACK HERE. 
          SO IT ALSO DEPENDS ON WHEN THEY GOT PICKED UP. 
          SO THEY MIGHT HAVE GOT PICKED UP AT 7 45 TO LOOK AT A 7 45 ACTUALLY RIDE, BUT TECHNICALLY THEY WENT PAST EIGHT O'CLOCK BY THE TIME THEY GOT THERE. 
          SO JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND TOO. 
          SO YOU'RE PROBABLY, IF YOU ARE IMPACTING EIGHT, YOU'RE PROBABLY IMPACTING A HANDFUL IN THE SEVEN AS WELL. 
          NOW, AGAIN, SEVEN ONLY HAS FIVE OR FOUR, SO IT'S NOT LIKE A HUGE IMPACT, BUT JUST UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN YOU DO BACK THAT UP, THERE IS SOMETIMES SOME OVERLAP BECAUSE RIGHT. 
          YOU GO OVER THE TOP OF THE HOUR. 
          SO JUST TO POINT THAT OUT, THAT YES, CERTAINLY IT'D BE THAT, THAT ONE RIDE, BUT IT MIGHT IMPACT ANOTHER RIDE IN THE SEVEN O'CLOCK HOUR TOO. 
          BUT AGAIN, IT'S NOT A, WE'RE NOT TALKING 50 RIDES EITHER, RIGHT? I MEAN, WHEN, WHEN I WAS TALKING BEFORE ABOUT THAT LOW HANGING FRUIT AND THE SUGGESTIONS, THE KEY CONSIDERATIONS THAT YOU MADE HERE, THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WOULD LOOK AT IS THAT, OH, WHERE RIDERSHIP IS SO SMALL, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHEN WE WENT TILL 10 O'CLOCK OR WHATEVER, IF THAT RIDERSHIP, I KNOW THE RIDERSHIP FROM NINE TO 10 WAS QUITE LOW, AND THAT'S WHY WE CUT THAT ONE BACK. 
          YEP. 
          AND NOW I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HELPED DROP THAT EIGHT O'CLOCK RIDERSHIP THEN TOO, BECAUSE OF THAT PROBLEM. 
          YEP. 
          BUT PEOPLE ARE STILL COPING, THEY'RE 
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GETTING BY. 
          THEY SEEM TO BE ANYWAY. 
          AND I'D ALSO LIKE TO KNOW, UH, AGAIN, WITH WHAT, UH, SUPERVISOR GITZ BROUGHT UP IS, IS THAT ADULT RIDERSHIP AT NIGHT OR IS IT THE, UM, AGE AND DISABLED PEOPLE RIDING AT EIGHT O'CLOCK, RIGHT? BECAUSE THOSE ARE, I THINK, THE PEOPLE WE REALLY WANNA SERVE WITH THIS. 
          SO AGAIN, HAVING THAT CHART THAT WE'RE, WE'VE BEEN ASKING FOR, I THINK HELPED DEFINE THAT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND I KNOW A COUPLE SUPERVISORS HERE HAD, HAD MET WITH CHARLIE, UH, INDEPENDENTLY TO TALK ABOUT TRANSIT. 
          AND I KNOW HE IS GOT A NICE GRAPH UP ON THE, ON THE, ON THE BOARD RIGHT NOW. 
          UH, ALL THAT DATA IS IN THERE AND DEFINITELY AVAILABLE AND WE CAN HAVE THIS DATA UP LIVE AS PART OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS THAT I THINK IT'S A GREAT TOOL FOR US TO LOOK AT THAT YOU CAN GO BY THE HOUR, THE FAIR TYPE, THE LOCATION THAT THEY'RE GOING TO. 
          I MEAN, IT'S A PRETTY POWERFUL TOOL THAT CHARLIE HAS CREATED TO ACTUALLY DIVE INTO THOSE DETAILS. 
          UH, FOR TODAY, FOR TODAY, WE'D LIKE TO GET THROUGH THE REST OF THE REPORT FOR YOU. 
          OH YEAH. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          UM, AND CERTAINLY, BUT, UH, WE HAVE SEVERAL, SEVERAL MONTHS IN, BUT, UH, CHARLIE COULD GO THROUGH THAT, A LITTLE BIT OF THAT, THAT DATA WITH YOU, UM, AT THE END OF HIS REPORT. 
          I'LL HOLD OFF ON MY QUESTIONS. 
          STILL THE END. 
          SHUT UP, MAN. 
          YEAH. 
          , HE'S, HE'S GETTING CALLS. 
          HE'S GETTING CALLS. 
          . 
          I THOUGHT WE WERE GETTING CLOSE TO THE END ALREADY. 
          CHARLIE, I DIDN'T REALIZE HOW, HOW MUCH YOU HAD TO PRESENT YET. 
          SO GO AHEAD. 
          UH, YEAH. 
          SO THAT WAS THE LAST, UH, LEVER ON THE OPTION WAS THE, UH, SERVICE AREA. 
          AND THEN THE OTHER SHEET I HAVE HERE OTHER ATTACHMENT WAS THE, UH, FAIR INCREASE IN, UH, SERVICE REDUCTION POLICY, WHICH, UH, I'VE INCLUDED AS A, AS AN ATTACHMENT IN THE REPORT. 
          UH, SO THAT'S A SERVICE CHANGE, A REDUCTION OF 10%, UH, OR MORE. 
          AND ANY FAIR CHANGE, UH, THAT CAUSES AN INCREASE IN, UH, PUBLIC AFFAIRS. 
          QUESTION ON THAT. 
          WHAT, WHAT DEFINE WHO DEFINES, SO A SERVICE CHANGE THAT CAUSES A REDUCTION OF 10% TO THE DEMAND RESPONSE. 
          SO DEMAND RESPONSE HAS CHANGED, RIGHT? IF YOU LOOK AT IT IN A NARROW WINDOW, SO I'M ASSUMING IT'S LIKE A THREE YEAR ROLLING AVERAGE. 
          'CAUSE IT, IT CAN'T BE JUST LAST MONTH OR THE MONTH BEFORE. 
          SO I, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS THAT THRESHOLD? UH, WELL THAT, UH, THAT IS A, A GOOD QUESTION ON WHAT THAT, UH, WHAT TIME PERIOD THAT 10% WOULD, UH, WOULD REFER TO. 
          I HAVE NOT SEEN IT. 
          UH, I CAN LOOK INTO THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, FOR WHAT THAT PERIOD, I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE KEY. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND, YOU KNOW, WE'VE SEEN ALREADY JUST IN OUR SHORT TENURES, THIS GROUP, UH, THAT THERE'S, YOU KNOW, BEEN SOME INCREASES, BUT THEN A DECREASE. 
          AND YOU LOOK AT THE HISTORICAL THAT'S BEEN UP AND DOWN BASED UPON WHATEVER. 
          SO I WOULD THINK THERE WOULD BE SHORTER THAN A A SIX MONTH PERIOD AND HOPEFULLY IT'S LIKE A ROLLING THREE YEAR AVERAGE OR SOMETHING. 
          OKAY. 
          I'LL GET AN ANSWER ON THAT FOR YOU. 
          YEAH, I THINK WE'VE BEEN TREATING IT BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT WHEN OUR ACTIONS, OUR ACTIONS ARE BASICALLY, IF YOU LOOKED EARLIER, RIGHT? ONE A YEAR KIND OF AN ACTION. 
          SO WE CAN ALMOST LOOK LIKE WE USE LIKE A YEAR LOOK BACK, BUT CHARLIE WILL CHECKED WITH THE STATE TO MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING THAT CORRECTLY. 
          BUT I WAS LIKE, WHEN, WHEN OUR FARES WERE INCREASED, BUT WE DIDN'T INCREASE OUR FARE FOR 12 YEARS GOING, THEY CAN'T GO BACK MORE THAN 12 YEARS FOR AN AVERAGE. 
          SO WE FELT WE'RE PRETTY SAFE WITH, WITH SOME OF THOSE. 
          EVEN THE HOURS THAT WE CHANGED, WE HADN'T CHANGED THE HOURS FOR, FOR MANY, MANY YEARS. 
          BUT WE WILL GET THAT NUMBER FOR YOU. 
          DO YOU HAVE, UM, INFORMATION ON THE FEEDBACK FROM THE LAST SETS OF CHANGES? UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE PERCENTAGE OF, DID WE DECREASE WHEN, YOU KNOW, DID WE DECREASE RIDERSHIP WHEN WE MADE THE LAST CHANGES OVER AGAIN? I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE LAST 12 YEARS. 
          IT'S, YOU KNOW, PREDOMINANTLY THE LAST COUPLE YEARS WHEN YOU'VE MADE THE CHANGES IN 23, 24, 25. 
          LIKE, DO WE KNOW HOW THAT AFFECTED AND I'M, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC, EVEN PUBLIC OPINION, I'M SURE IF THERE WAS COMPLAINTS OR CAN WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION? SORRY, WE HAD, UH, A PUBLIC HEARING, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          WE HAD, WE HAD A PUBLIC HEARING. 
          WE, SO FOR INSTANCE, UH, UP ON THE SCREEN, IF YOU COULD ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, WHAT YEAR DID WE INCREASE THE ADULT FAIRS AGAIN, CHARLIE? WAS THAT, UH, SO IT WAS APPROVED IN 23 TO START IN 24, RIGHT? SO, SO TWO YEARS AGO. 
          YEAH. 
          SO AFTER THAT, I KNOW IT'S NOT REALLY SHOWN ON, ON THIS PARTICULAR MAP, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY GET THAT TO YOU, IS AFTER THAT WE HAD THE SAME, THE PUBLIC WORKS COMMITTEE ASKED US, WHAT DOES THAT IMPACT? SO FOR SEVERAL MONTHS AFTER THAT, MAYBE EVEN OVER A YEAR, I THINK JOHN, WE ACTUALLY TRACKED THAT. 
          LIKE WHERE WERE OUR ADULT FAIRS AT AS FAR AS OUR RIDERSHIP WAS FOR ADULTS. 
          SAY WE, WE INCREASED THEM DRAMATICALLY. 
          WHAT DID THAT LOOK LIKE? IT'S, IT'S NOT UP THERE RIGHT NOW, BUT WE DID TRACK 
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THAT FIRST. 
          FIRST. 
          I THINK IT WAS CLOSE TO A YEAR, MAYBE EVEN A LITTLE BIT LOW MAYBE. 
          SO, UM, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          WE TRACKED THAT FOR A WHILE, BUT CERTAINLY THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN PROVIDE BACK TO THE COMMITTEE GOING, WHAT DID THAT LOOK LIKE? UM, 'CAUSE OUR FAIRES INCREASED NOT JUST FOR ADULTS, BUT OTHERS AS WELL. 
          BUT YOU SEE NOT MUCH CHANGE IN, IN RIDERSHIP, SO WE'LL, AND I THINK WE CAN GET THAT DATA. 
          I THINK WE HAD TWO ADULT RIDERS WHO WERE USING IT, THAT COMPLAINT, AND, AND THAT WAS IT. 
          UM, AND I, AND I GET THEIR CONCERNS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, BUT YOU KNOW, THERE WERE OTHER OPTIONS AND ONE WAS GOING TO WORK EVERY DAY. 
          I THINK IT WAS A SINGLE MOM. 
          UM, AND OBVIOUSLY THAT TOOK A HIT ON HER, ON HER INCOME, RIGHT? BUT IT'S LIKE, WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS, OKAY, BUT WE'RE PROVIDING A SERVICE. 
          IT'S QUITE CHEAP. 
          AND EVEN IF WE'RE RAISING IT, IT'S STILL CHEAPER THAN UBER AND ALL THE OTHER SERVICES THAT ARE OUT THERE. 
          AND, AND AT THIS POINT, WITH THE INFLATIONARY RATES WE'VE SEEN THE LAST FEW YEARS, WE'RE ALREADY AGAIN, BEHIND THE EIGHT BALL WITH OUR FEES. 
          UM, I'M NOT AS INTERESTED PERSONALLY, I'M NOT AS INTERESTED IN RAISING THE SENIOR CITIZENS OR THE DISABLED, BUT THAT ADULT MARKET, MAYBE THE STUDENT, AND DEFINITELY I WOULD CONSIDER THE, UH, RAISING THE RATES ON THE, WHAT WAS THAT LAST ONE? IT'S KIND OF CUT OFF HERE. 
          OR MAYBE IT'S ON A DIFFERENT SLIDE. 
          THE, THE AGENCY? AGENCY, YEAH. 
          UM, MAYBE RAISING THAT AGENCY UP TO 18 OR 20 OR SOMETHING TO GET CLOSER TO WHAT ZAKI HAS. 
          MAYBE THAT WOULD HELP. 
          I MEAN, THAT, THAT'S JUST MY FIRST TAKE ON THIS. 
          UM, AND THEN ALSO SCOTT, I'D LIKE TO KNOW, I KNOW WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT A GAP. 
          DID WE HAVE THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT? YEAH, WE'RE GONNA, THAT GAP THAT WE HAVE TO, HOW MUCH ARE WE LOOKING TO TRY TO YEAH, I KNOW, I KNOW IT WAS ON THAT CHART. 
          I JUST DON'T KNOW IF THE DOLLAR AMOUNT WAS MENTIONED THERE OR NOT, AND APOLOGIES, BUT I KEEP FLYING UP AND DOWN MY OH, THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO YOUR, LET'S SEE, I MEAN, ARE WE LOOKING AT A HALF MILLION GAP HERE? IS THAT, OR IS THAT, IS THAT WHAT THE LEVY HAS TO PICK UP AS A HALF MILLION OR WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE THERE? SO OUR LEVY AMOUNT IN, UH, FOUR 50 IS BUDGETED FOR, UH, 450,000 IN 27, UH, IN 2027. 
          AND, UH, VEHICLES ARE COVERED, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THE, UH, THROUGH THE TRUST FUND. 
          UH, BUT BECAUSE THE TRUST FUND IS DEPLETING, THERE'S OPERATING AND, UH, CAPITAL LEVY, SO CLOSE TO 6,000, 600,000, UH, FOR OPERATING AND ADDITIONAL 50,000 FOR, UH, FOR CAPITAL SINCE THE TRUST FUND WILL BE, UH, DEPLETED. 
          SO WHAT IS THAT TOTAL AMOUNT, THAT COLUMN, DO YOU KNOW? UH, LET'S SEE, 700 OR SOMETHING. 
          ABOUT 650. 
          YEAH, ABOUT 7 6, 700. 
          YEAH, ABOUT 700. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          ROUGHLY SIX 50. 
          I MEAN, JUST, JUST DOING A ROUGH MATH HERE ON THAT. 
          YEAH, ABOUT A $200,000 GAP. 
          $200,000 GAP. 
          UM, YEAH. 
          AND IT'S TOO BAD WE CAN'T TALK TO OUR STATE LEGISLATORS AND SAY, HEY GUYS, YOU GOT THIS BIG FUND, YOU'RE SITTING ON THIS BIG PILE OF MONEY HERE, IS THERE ANY WAY YOU CAN START FUNDING THIS STUFF LIKE YOU USED TO OR KEEPING UP WITH INFLATIONARY RATES? I KNOW THAT, UH, DOT STAFF IS AWARE OF THE DISPARAGING GAP IN A LOT OF THESE TRANSIT AGENCIES. 
          UH, JUST TALKING TO THEM, UM, AT THE SEWER PACK MEETING FOR INSTANCE, THERE ARE SEVERAL, UH, LOCAL AGENCIES THAT MIGHT BE NOT PROVIDING SERVICES ANYMORE, UH, BASED ON THE FUNDING THAT THEY HAVE AVAILABLE TO THEM. 
          SO, WHICH ON THE OTHER SIDE MIGHT MAKE MORE FUNDING AVAILABLE TO US IF THEY CAN'T OPERATE THEIR PROGRAMS. BUT THAT ONLY GOES SO FAR AS WELL. 
          SURE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          BUT IT'S INTERESTING THAT OTHER, IT'S NOT JUST US, OTHER PEOPLE, OTHER MUNICIPALITIES ARE CUTTING FUNDING FOR THE SAME REASONS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, CUTTING BACK. 
          SO I, I THINK THAT THE DATA THAT, YOU KNOW, WHERE, WHO TIME THAT NEXT SET OF DATA, I THINK THAT WILL MAKE, GIVE US A LOT OF ANSWERS ABSOLUTELY. 
          TO WHERE WE CAN FIND $200,000. 
          WELL, SINCE WE HAVE A, A EXCEL WIZARD HERE, WHAT ABOUT TAKING A 200 K AND DROPPING FAIR INCREASE ACROSS ALL FAIR TYPES AND WHAT WOULD THAT DO BASED UPON OUR RIDERSHIP? WOULD WE COME UP WITH THAT 200 K BY INCREASING FARES? SO EVERY FAIR GROUP HAS A FIVE OR 10% INCREASE, JUST GOTTA HAVE SOME STARTING POINT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND WHAT DOES THAT MEAN THEN THROUGH ALL THOSE RIDES THAT WE'VE SEEN YEAR TO DATE MM-HMM . 
          BECAUSE WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          WE HAVE A TECHNOLOGY TO DO THAT. 
          'CAUSE THEN AT LEAST WE CAN SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING. 
          OUR IT'S 10%, IT'S 5% IS 2%. 
          WE MIGHT REALIZE THAT, ALTHOUGH I STILL THINK IT'S PRUDENT TO LOOK AT THE, THE OPERATING 
          [01:00:01]
TIMES. 
          MM-HMM . 
          TO OPERATE UNTIL EIGHT O'CLOCK, WHATEVER, JUST THAT YOU'RE JUST THROWING MONEY OUT THE WINDOW. 
          MM-HMM . 
          OR MAYBE WE CAN DO A COMBO OR WHAT I, I HAD, UH, , I WAS MEETING WITH OUR, UH, UH, VILLAGE, UH, ADMINISTRATOR, UH, THIS MORNING FOR COFFEE, AND HE MADE A COMMENT THAT WHEN HE WAS A STUDENT, UH, RIDING BUSES, IT WAS AIRTIME. 
          YOU HAVE BUS DRIVERS DRIVING WITH EMPTY UNITS. 
          YEAH. 
          AND ANECDOTALLY, THERE SEEMS TO BE A LOT OF TIME WHERE THE TRANSIT OR OPERATING MIND YOU, THEY MAY RETURNING BACK TO BASE, ET CETERA. 
          BUT I, I STILL, I STILL CAN'T, IF IT'S SHARED, THE ONLY TIME WHERE WE TRULY HAVE MORE THAN ONE TO ONE OR 1.25 FOR RIDER PER HOUR PER DRIVER IS IN THAT TWO O'CLOCK TIMEFRAME WHERE WE GET UP TO ABOUT 33 RIDERS PER HOUR. 
          SO THAT'S JUST GLARING TO ME FOR SURE. 
          AND IT SAYS, SO UNDERSTANDING WHAT'S GOING ON IN THAT TWO O'CLOCK HOUR FRAME VERSUS THE REST AT A TIME. 
          SO STRUCTURALLY, COULD YOU DROP TWO DRIVERS, FOR EXAMPLE, EVERY HOUR, AND NOW YOU HAVE A CONTRACTUAL SAVINGS, AND WHAT DOES THAT DO TO RIDERSHIP? SURE. 
          MIGHT REQUIRE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, UH, COORDINATING WITH DISPATCH, ET CETERA. 
          BUT IF YOU'RE ACTUALLY THEN HAVING SHARED TWO PEOPLE TO, UH, ARRIVE, UH, VERSUS 1.2, I, I, AGAIN, IS THAT REASONABLE OR FEASIBLE TO BE THINKING ABOUT? I DON'T KNOW. 
          TO THAT POINT THOUGH, IF, DOES THAT GET INTO THE, WE CONTRACTED FOR 53,000 HOURS. 
          YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CUTTING DRIVERS. 
          WELL, WE'VE CONTRACTED THEM FOR X AMOUNT OF HOURS. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT THAT'S, YOU'D HAVE TO ADJUST THAT. 
          I I DON'T CAN YOU, IF WE'VE CONTRACTED THEM FOR 53,000 HOURS AND THIS MODEL IS ABOUT THAT, NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CUTTING DRIVERS, BUT WE'VE STILL CONTRACTED FOR THOSE HOURS. 
          WE'RE CUTTING DRIVERS FOR WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FUTURE, FUTURE. 
          I'M, I'M JUST SAYING WE DO THAT THEN WE'D HAVE TO CHANGE THAT CORRECT. 
          CONTRACTED AMOUNT. 
          OH, YES. 
          BECAUSE I'M JUST, OKAY. 
          JUST RIGHT. 
          SO AGAIN, I THINK, UH, SUPERVISOR  HAD SAID, AND I THINK EVEN UH, CHAIR CHANDRA SAID, IS THERE LOW HANGING FRUIT? SO ONE WAY TO LOOK AT THAT IS, I, I JUST THINK SIMPLY PLUG IN A 2, 3, 5, 10% INCREASE IN FA ACROSS THE BOARD, ALL GROUPS. 
          AND DOES THAT COME UP WITH A 200 K MM-HMM . 
          THAT'S, DOES THAT SAY THAT'S A GOOD STARTING BUT PLACE A REASONABLE STARTING POINT? 'CAUSE IF THAT SAYS O'BRIEN, THAT ONLY COMES UP WITH $20,000. 
          WELL NOW WE GOT A $180,000 STILL TO WORK WITH. 
          RIGHT? SURE. 
          JUST TO GIVE THE BOARD A FLAVOR. 
          UM, THE FARES ARE ABOUT $388,000. 
          OH. 
          AND THAT, AND THAT'S, YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          IF WANNA GET THAT, SO THE, THE PINK ON THERE, THE HUE THAT'S IN THE MIDDLE THERE, APOLOGIZE FOR NOT HAVING NUMBERS IN THERE. 
          SO FARES ARE ABOUT $388,000. 
          SO LET'S, LET'S CALL IT 400,000. 
          RIGHT? IF YOU'VE GOT 200,000 GAP, THAT MEANS YOU HAVE TO RAISE THEM UP 50% AND NOT LOSE ANY RIDERS . 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE WANTED, THAT'S WHY WE WANTED TO GIVE YOU ALL THE, ALL THE TOOLS IN THE TOOLBOX, IF YOU WILL, ALL THOSE LEVERS. 
          BECAUSE WE, WHEN, WHEN SUPERVISOR OR CHAIRMAN SHOTTER MENTIONED, WELL, WHAT WOULD YOU RECOMMEND? THE RECOMMENDATION IS PROBABLY A COMBINATION OF A QUITE A FEW OF THOSE, THOSE LEVERS ON THERE TOGETHER. 
          SURE. 
          UH, WE WANTED TO SHARE THOSE ALL WITH YOU TODAY. 
          AND SO LATER ON WE START TALKING ABOUT THOSE AND WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE THAT SPREADSHEET, WE'LL PROBABLY BE INCLUDED IN A LOT MORE OF YOUR PACKETS IN THE FUTURE. 
          'CAUSE WE DON'T WANNA LOSE SIGHT OF ALL THOSE DIFFERENT POTENTIALS THAT, THAT YOU HAVE TO YOUR DISPOSAL. 
          UH, BUT THEN WE'LL START PROBABLY LOOKING AT THAT GOING, ALRIGHT, IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT OF AGENCY FAIR. 
          IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF FARES, REDUCTION IN HOURS, REDUCTION IN SERVICE, HOURS REDUCTION IN VEHICLES. 
          RIGHT. 
          THERE'S, IT'S PROBABLY A COMBINATION OF, OF QUITE A FEW THINGS OF REVENUE AND EXPENSES, UH, KIND OF GOING FORWARD. 
          SO, BUT THAT'S WHAT I WANTED SHARE A LOT OF IT WITH YOU TODAY TO KIND OF LIKE OKAY, THERE'S, THERE'S QUITE A BIT WE YOU COULD DO, RIGHT. 
          OF DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE JUST ONE THING THAT YOU DO. 
          IT MIGHT BE A COMBINATION OF, OF ALL THOSE DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          AND, AND I WOULD BE VERY INTERESTED OF DROPPING AT SEVEN TO EIGHT, OR EIGHT TO NINE, I'M SORRY, EIGHT TO NINE HOUR LOOKING AT THAT. 
          I MEAN, I, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH PUSHBACK WE WOULD GET FROM, OBVIOUSLY WE'D HAVE, WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA HAVE TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING THEN RIGHT AT THAT POINT, BECAUSE WE MIGHT BE HITTING THAT 10% THRESHOLD OR WHATEVER. 
          IT COULD BE A COMBINATION OF THINGS THAT YOU DECIDE TO DO MIGHT TRIGGER THAT AS WELL, MIGHT TRIGGER THAT. 
          SO, UM, I MEAN, I, I WOULD BE VERY INTERESTED IN THAT. 
          I WAS THINKING ABOUT THAT A FEW YEARS BACK, BUT I, I LIKE TO DO IT IN SLOW, RIGHT. 
          SLOW PROGRESSIONS, NOT JUST CUT IT OFF, BUT SLOWLY START CUTTING BACK AS WE FEEL IT NEEDED, UM, WITHOUT HURTING TOO MUCH OF THE RIDERSHIP. 
          BUT, UH, IT'S JUST THE, THE WAY TIMES ARE. 
          SO, UM, I HAD, UM, WE HAD SPOKEN ABOUT THE, UM, 
          [01:05:02]
RIGHT NOW SELF-REPORTING THAT THERE WOULD BE A VERY, THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A VERIFICATION PROCESS THAT IF WE DID THE VERIFICATION PROCESS, NUMBER ONE, WE'D BE ABLE TO HOLD ACCOUNTABLE TO CERTAIN RIDER SHIPS. 
          BUT IS THERE ADDITIONAL FUNDING THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE BECAUSE WE WOULD THEN BE REPORTING THOSE SPECIFIC, UM, DISABILITIES. 
          AND WE HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT BECAUSE I'VE, I'VE BEEN TALKING TO CONSTITUENTS ABOUT THIS AND, UM, YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING ANYMORE WITHOUT VERIFYING THINGS. 
          AND THE FACT THAT WE'RE NOT VERIFYING RIGHT NOW IN THE WORLD WE'RE GROWING INTO SEEMS SILLY THAT SOMEBODY LIKE, YOU KNOW, I COULD SAY I'M DISABLED AND I COULD SAY I'M ELDERLY. 
          AND YOU, THEY'RE, IT'S SELF-REPORTING. 
          RIGHT? RIGHT. 
          LIKE THERE'S, AND, AND WHILE WE KNOW THAT THERE WOULD BE A, YOU KNOW, A A PERIOD OF TIME THAT IT WOULD BE DISRUPTIVE, WE WOULD BE AHEAD, WE COULD GET AHEAD OF IT. 
          IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO RECLAIM SOME DOLLARS, NOT JUST FROM RIGHT, FROM RIDERSHIP FAIR BEING PEOPLE ARE IN THE RIGHT CATEGORIES, BUT THEN ALSO HAVING FEDERAL FUNDING OR STATE FUNDING THAT WOULD COME ALONG WITH THAT. 
          I THINK THAT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT FOR US TO TAKE A LOOK AT. 
          SO WHEN WE'RE TELLING OUR NEIGHBORS THAT WE'RE SPENDING THE KIND OF MONEY ON THIS LEVY FOR A COUPLE, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN PEOPLE, WE CAN SAY THAT'S EXACTLY WHERE IT'S GOING, TO THE RIGHT PEOPLE MM-HMM . 
          THAT WE HAVE THE REPORT, WE HAVE THE REAL REPORTING TO GIVE BACK TO. 
          SURE. 
          I THINK THAT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT. 
          THIS IS, WE'VE BEEN CUTTING, CLEARLY YOU'VE BEEN CUTTING THIS PROGRAM AND TRYING TO ZIP TIE THIS PROGRAM AS TIGHT AS POSSIBLE OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS. 
          THIS IS ONLY GONNA GET INCREASINGLY. 
          UM, AND I'VE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE OPPORTUNITY WITH, YOU KNOW, LYFT, UBER BECOMING MORE INCREASINGLY AVAILABLE. 
          I WAS DRIVING ON THE CHICAGO INTERSTATE YESTERDAY, NEXT TO A SELF-DRIVING VEHICLE GOING 80 MILES AN HOUR. 
          SO THOSE TYPES OF VEHICLES, YOU GO TO CERTAIN COMMUNITIES, ALL YOU SEE IS THE WHITE TESLA SELF-DRIVING VEHICLES THAT ARE MEANT FOR RIDE SHARING. 
          WE TALKED ABOUT AI LAST NIGHT. 
          WE NEED TO BE TALKING ABOUT WHAT THE FUTURE MIGHT HOLD AS WELL. 
          AND LOOKING AT THOSE. 
          I'M NOT SAYING WE SHOULD GO BUY THOSE VEHICLES JUST YET. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT EVERYONE'S EXCITED ABOUT THAT YET. 
          BUT IF WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, DR YOU KNOW, DOOR TO DOOR SERVICE WHERE, OR, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT AREN'T NEEDING THE, YOU KNOW, DIS, YOU KNOW, THE DIS THIS DISABLED, UM, LIFTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          I THINK WE HAVE TO BE LOOKING AT THAT, THAT IT, THAT'S NOT THE FUTURE THAT IS HERE. 
          RIGHT. 
          IT'S HERE. 
          AND THAT IS ANOTHER WAY OF SAVING MONEY. 
          AND THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE TAXPAYERS TO KNOW THAT WE KNOW THAT THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES OUT THERE AS WELL AND COULD BE A WAY OF SAVING THE PROGRAM, QUITE FRANKLY. 
          YEAH. 
          AND AGAIN, I JUST WANNA REMIND THE NEWER MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE. 
          WE ALSO, AT ONE TIME, I THINK WE LOOKED AT INTERFAITH CAREGIVERS. 
          WE ASKED THEM, I MEAN WE, WE, WE HAVE LOOKED AT OTHER OPTIONS AND WHAT IF WE HIRED UBERS FOR EVERYBODY MM-HMM . 
          RIGHT? WHAT KIND OF COST WOULD THOSE BE VERSUS HAVING THESE VANS, BUT THEN YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THE HANDICAP CORRECT. 
          VANS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. 
          SO THEY'RE, YEAH, WE KIND OF ALREADY, THERE'S THINGS WENT DOWN, BUT I LIKE HAVING A FRESH PAIR OF EYES AT THIS, WHICH IS WHY IT'S NICE HAVING NEW MEMBERS HERE TOO, PUTTING A NEW SET OF EYES AND IDEAS AND ADDING IT TO IT. 
          SUPERVISOR GALLS. 
          NO, WE MIGHT HAVE ANOTHER MEETING COMING IN HERE, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE ARE TALKING MOSTLY NOW ABOUT THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF OUR EXPENSE, AND WE'VE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE REVENUE SIDE, THE LEFT HAND SIDE. 
          UM, ARE WE ABLE TO HAVE ALL OF OUR VEHICLES SLAPPED WITH WRAPS WITH, UM, ADVERTISING JOE SMITH'S, UH, SMOKE SHOP, FOR EXAMPLE, ? UH, SO, SO WE DID PUT OUT AN RFP FOR A, UH, FOR A COMPANY TO MANAGE THE ADVERTISING ON OUR VEHICLES. 
          UM, UNFORTUNATELY, UH, UH, WE DIDN'T GET ANY BITES AND WE REACHED OUT TO, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL ADVERTISERS. 
          AND THE REASON THEY DIDN'T IS BECAUSE WE HADN'T CREATED THE MARKET YET. 
          SO WE WOULD HAVE TO FIRST ADMINISTER, YOU KNOW, AN ADVERTISING, UH, PROGRAM. 
          SO THERE WOULD BE AN ADMINISTRATIVE, UH, PROCESS FOR MANAGING THOSE CONTRACTS FOR, FOR TAXI WRAPS. 
          UH, IT'D ALSO BE, UH, UH, INTERESTING FOR, FOR BUDGETING PURPOSES. 
          IF, IF SOMEONE WERE TO START A CONTRACT MID-YEAR OR WHATNOT, LIKE HAVING DEPENDABLE, UH, INCOME, I'M SURE THAT THAT COULD BE WORKED AROUND WITH CONTRACT LENGTHS AND, AND WHEN THEY START, JUICE MAY NOT BE WORTH THE SQUEEZE, UH, WITH ADMINISTRATIVE AND OTHER, IT MIGHT NOT BE WORTH IT TO GET, YOU KNOW, AN EXTRA $10,000, BUT RIGHT. 
          IT'S, IT'S A, A TOOL AND TOOLBOX. 
          WE CERTAINLY ADD TO THE LEVERS AS WELL. 
          UH, THAT IS SOMETHING WE ACTUALLY USE WITH OUR COMMUTER EXPRESS. 
          YOU MIGHT RECALL FROM MANY YEARS AGO, THOSE BUSES WERE WRAPPED FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME 
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AND THAT THEN THAT WENT AWAY. 
          AND THOSE WERE OBVIOUSLY LARGE VEHICLES THAT SEE QUITE A BIT OF TRAFFIC. 
          YOU KNOW, THAT'S GOING DOWN TO MILWAUKEE AND BACK. 
          SO THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, FOR ADVERTISERS THAT WAS WORTHWHILE FOR OUR VEHICLES, UH, BECAUSE OF IT'S A MINIBUS AND OUR MINIVAN, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF ADVERTISING AVAILABLE ON IT WITH, WE ALSO LIKE TO HAVE OUR LOGO ON IT AND OUR, UM, WEBPAGE ON IT AND STUFF, UH, AND OUR PHONE NUMBERS. 
          SO IT REALLY SQUEEZES DOWN THE SIZE THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY UTILIZE TO ADVERTISE. 
          BUT IT, IT'S SOMETHING CERTAINLY WE, WE HAVE LOOKED AT IN THE PAST AND, AND CAN CERTAINLY LOOK AT IT AGAIN. 
          YEP. 
          IT IS POSSIBLE. 
          IT'S POSSIBLE. 
          YES. 
          TELL GOODYEAR IF WE PUT THEIR LABEL OVER THE WHEEL WELLS, THEY CAN GIVE US FREE TIRES. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OR CHARLIE, YOU GOT ANYTHING MORE TO ADD TO THE THING OR ARE WE PRETTY MUCH WRAPPED UP NOW? UH, SO I GUESS OUR, OUR, UH, UH, COM COMMITTEE DIRECTION WE'RE SEEKING IS, UH, WHICH LEVERS SHOULD WE, UH, FURTHER, UH, EVALUATE OR, OR BRING TO THE COMMITTEE IN THE, IN THE NEXT MEETING. 
          UH, I SEE THERE WAS A DISABLED FAIR, UH, VERIFICATION FUNDING, UH, HOURS AT THE END OF THE DAY, UH, RAISING AGENCY FAIRS AS WELL AS RAISING, UH, ALL FAIR CATEGORIES, CUTTING THAT EIGHT O'CLOCK HOUR OUT. 
          ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER SUGGESTIONS? WELL, THE, THE, OBVIOUSLY THE ADVERTISING WRAP MAYBE, BUT, WELL, AS I SAID EARLIER, UH, MAYBE, MAYBE IT'S JUST LACK OF MY FULL UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THESE PROGRAMS OPERATE UNIVERSALLY, BUT, YOU KNOW, SEEING ALMOST ONE-TO-ONE FOR A RIDER TO DRIVER AN HOUR DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE MOST EFFECTIVE, EFFICIENT USE OF, OF, OF THAT VEHICLE. 
          SO, MM-HMM . 
          WHAT IF THERE WERE TO BE A DECREASE OF ONE, TWO, OR THREE DRIVER PER HOUR? WHAT, HOW WOULD THAT IMPACT, UH, RIDERSHIP, UH, AVERAGE PER HOUR AND, UM, WHAT, SO MAYBE THE QUESTION THAT, UH, SUPERVISORS LITELL BROUGHT UP EARLIER IS DO WE HAVE NUMBERS ON OTHER SIMILAR, UH, COUNTY AND SHARE? RIGHT. 
          AND WHAT THEIR AVERAGE RIDER PER HOUR IS THE ONLY OBSTACLE I SEE IF WE REDUCE THE VEHICLES AND TRY TO GET MORE PEOPLE ON, THERE'S, IF THE GUY'S GOTTA PICK UP ONE IN MENOMINEE FALLS AND TAKE HIM TO HARTFORD, BUT THEN THE NEXT ONE HE'S GOTTA GO WAY. 
          ON THE OTHER SIDE, IT'S DISTANCE. 
          IF, IF THERE'S THREE PEOPLE IN HARTFORD TO PICK THEM UP AND TAKE, THAT'S ONE THING. 
          BUT DISTANCE BETWEEN FARES, I THINK THAT ALSO THAT ALSO INCREASES COST, FUEL, MILEAGE WEAR AND TEAR IN THE VEHICLE. 
          SO YEAH, THE ONE PER VEHICLE, THE OBSTACLE IS WHERE IS THAT NEXT FARE AT? YEAH. 
          WELL THAT'S WHY WE CAN, WE HAVE TO GO. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S WHY WE CAN LOOK AT INCREASING THE FARES IF THEY GO ACROSS THE COUNTY LINE, LIKE THAT MENOMINEE FALLS THING AND, OR IT'S $3, MAYBE IT NEEDS TO BE FIVE NOW OR SOMETHING. 
          MM-HMM. 
          I WOULD ALSO BE INTERESTED, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A, A LOT OF BIG VEHICLES, RIGHT. 
          UM, IF WE'RE JUST DRIVING ONE PER, YOU KNOW, ONE AND THEN PICKING UP ANOTHER REALLY, WE'RE 1.2 PER HAVING THESE, YOU KNOW, THESE MINI BUSES AND TRANSIT VANS SEEM, AGAIN, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT OPPORTUNITIES TO SAVE FUEL, RIGHT. 
          AND TO NOT HAVE, IF WE'RE NOT FILLING UP ONE OF THOSE MINIVAN, YOU KNOW, THOSE BUSES AND WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO USE THEM FOR OTHER SERVICES. 
          LIKE WE HAD TRIED TO RIGHT. 
          WITH OUR FRIENDS CAME COMING, WE WEREN'T ALLOWED TO USE THOSE FOR THAT. 
          THAT SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF EXTRA BIG EQUIPMENT THAT WE'RE PAYING FOR. 
          A LOT OF THAT HAS TO COME THE ROAD RIGHT TO THE DISPATCHER, COME BACK TO THE DISPATCHER AND PEOPLE THAT ARE DOING THAT. 
          WHAT VEHICLE IS IT? WHERE ARE THEY? AND UH, WHAT KIND OF IMPACT DO WE, WOULD WE HAVE ON THEM IF THEY'RE DISPATCHING IT AND THEY SEND A MINI BUS OUT FOR ONE PERSON VERSUS SENDING A MINIVAN, YOU KNOW, WHAT KIND OF IMPACT DO WE HAVE ON THAT? THAT THAT'S ALL GOOD. 
          RIGHT? IT'S ALL GOOD QUESTION. 
          UM, WHO NEEDS WHAT? RIGHT? WHAT, WHAT DO WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO AFFECT ON THAT IF THAT COMES BACK TO THE PEOPLE WE'RE CONTRACTING OUT FOR THE SERVICE? SURE. 
          WE'RE HOPING THAT THEY DO IT THE RIGHT WAY. 
          I, THOSE ARE ALL GOOD BECAUSE IT, I'D RATHER HAVE A SMALLER VEHICLE FOR ONE PERSON THAT GETS BETTER GAS MILEAGE. 
          RIGHT. 
          UNLESS THE MAJORITY OF OUR PEOPLE ARE WHEELCHAIR MM-HMM . 
          AND NEED A, YOU KNOW, NEEDS SOMETHING BIGGER. 
          SO YEAH. 
          THAT THROWS ANOTHER WRENCH IN TOO AND THROWS A HUGE, YEAH. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THAT DATA I THINK IS GONNA GIVE US A LOT OF WHO'S GOING WHERE, AT WHAT TIMES. 
          DOES THAT GIVE YOU A PRETTY GOOD SCOPE THERE, CHARLIE? OR YOU NEED MORE REFINEMENT? UH, I JUST WANT TO ADD A NOTE THAT WE ARE PHASING OUT THE, THE MINI BUSES. 
          THE MINI BUSES, 
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OKAY. 
          AND GOING TO MINIVANS OR CARS? UH, WE DON'T HAVE ANY CARS IN OUR FLEET. 
          RIGHT. 
          IT WOULD BE THE, UH, NO SMALLER VANS I UP THERE ON THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, THE TRANSIT VANS ARE CURRENTLY WHAT WE'RE, UH, BUDGETED FOR. 
          MM-HMM. 
          UH, THE MINIVANS, UH, HAVE A HARD TIME FITTING THE OVERSIZED WHEELCHAIRS. 
          SO THESE ARE THE MOST, UH, UH, FLEXIBLE VEHICLE WE HAVE. 
          THE GOTCHA. 
          THE TRANSIT VANS. 
          OKAY. 
          SOUNDS GOOD. 
          DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS WITH REGARDS? OH, MY SCREEN BLANKED OUT AGAIN. 
          YEAH, I THINK THIS'LL BE GOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          SOUNDS GOOD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THAT'S OUR LAST AGENDA ITEM. 
          SO THE NEXT MEETING DATE WILL BE NOVEMBER 19TH, UH, 2026 AT 3:00 PM THIS MEETING'S ADJOURNED. 
          THERE YOU GO. 
          JOEL. 
          HUNTING SEASON. 
          I KEEP THINKING OF YOU.
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