* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:33] AFTERNOON, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. THIS MEETING OF THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE OF THE WASHINGTON COUNTY BOARD IS IN ORDER. THIS AGENDA WAS POSTED IN THE OFFICE OF THE COUNTY CLERK ON THE 20TH DAY OF OCTOBER, 2026. NOTICE WAS SENT TO THE WASHINGTON COUNTY DAILY NEWS EXPRESS NEWS, W-I-B-D-W-N-B-Z RADIO, WTKM RADIO, MY COMMUNITY NOW HARTFORD TIMES PRESS, KI WASCOM STATESMAN AND THE MILWAUKEE JOURNAL. SENTINEL CHAIRMAN SCH LIFE IS, UH, ATTENDING VIA ZOOM THIS AFTERNOON. I WILL BE CHAIRING IN HIS PLACE. WE WILL BEGIN WITH A MOMENT OF SILENT PRAYER AND THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. PLEASE RISE AS YOU'RE ABLE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS. ON OUR AGENDA THIS AFTERNOON IS THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES. FIRST THE MINUTES OF SEPTEMBER 16TH, 2026. DID ANYONE SEE ANYTHING THAT NEEDED ATTENTION OR, OR CORRECTION? NOPE. NOPE. THOSE WILL STAND AS PRESENTED. THEN THE MEETING MINUTES OF SEPTEMBER 30TH. ANY, ANY ITEMS THERE? NOTHING THERE EITHER. FOR ME. THOSE WILL ALSO STAND AS PRESENTED. ITEM NUMBER THREE IS DISCUSSION OR POSSIBLE ACTION. FIRST OF ALL, UM, 2026, RESOLUTION OF THE 2027 BUDGET RECONCILIATION. AND FOR [Minutes] THAT WE [a. September 16, 2026] HAVE CHIEF OF ADMINISTRATION, AARON DAHL, FOR BACKGROUND INFORMATION AND QUESTIONS. [b. September 30, 2026] GREAT, THANK [Discussion or Possible Action] YOU. UM, SO THERE'S A LOT OF MOVING [a. 2026 Resolution – 2027 Budget Reconciliation ] PARTS HERE. THE COMMITTEE REPORT HAS SOME NARRATIVE AND THEN IT HAS A TABLE IN IT. UM, THE TABLE REALLY REFERENCES, OF COURSE, SINCE THIS MODIFIES THE LEVY, THE TABLE TALKS IN TERMS OF LEVY RATHER THAN LIKE LINE ITEM EXPENDITURES, FOR EXAMPLE. SO TRY TO KEEP IT HIGH-ISH LEVEL. UM, SO I'M GOING TO, UH, MY PRESENTATION WILL KIND OF, I'LL JUST WALK THROUGH THE TABLE ITSELF, UM, IF THAT'S OKAY. AND IF YOU'VE GOT ANY QUESTIONS ALONG THE WAY, PLEASE, UH, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO STOP ME. BUT THERE'S, THERE'S ALSO SOME GOOD NARRATIVE IN HERE AS WELL. UM, JUST STARTING AT THE TOP, THE TOP SECTION OF THE, OF THE TABLE TALKS ABOUT, UM, MODIFICATIONS FOR THE ANTI-CRIME PLAN C. UM, THAT WAS, THAT WAS APPROVED EARLIER THIS YEAR. UM, SO IT FUNDS ALL OF THOSE COMPONENTS, UM, AS LISTED HERE. REALLY. THE, UM, AND, AND YOU'VE SEEN THESE NUMBERS BEFORE, UM, REALLY THE ONE NUMBER THAT CHANGED FROM THE ORIGINALLY, UH, APPROVED ANTI-CRIME PLAN IS THE, UM, THE REVENUE FOR THE COURT FEE, UH, INCREASE. UM, DURING THE ANTI-CRIME PLAN, WE THOUGHT THAT REVENUE WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER. UM, THAT, THAT NUMBER, UH, WE BROUGHT IT DOWN JUST A LITTLE BIT. UM, IT'S PROBABLY CONSERVATIVE. WE CAN, WE CAN LOOK IN AT NEXT BUDGET SEASON TO, UH, TO SEE WHAT IT ACTUALLY WILL BE. UM, THOSE REVENUE, THOSE CHANGES ACTUALLY DON'T TAKE PLACE, I BELIEVE, UNTIL NOVEMBER OF THIS YEAR. SO IT'S HARD FOR US TO EVEN GAUGE WHAT THAT IMPACT WOULD BE. BUT, UM, WORKING WITH THE CLERK OF COURT'S OFFICE, WE, WE, UH, CONVERTED THAT NUMBER INTO A, A NUMBER THAT WAS, WE THOUGHT CONSERVATIVE AND WE WERE COMFORTABLE WITH. SO, UM, THE TOTAL CHANGES FOR THIS ANTI-CRIME PLAN, UM, RESULT IN A, A LEVY NEED, A LEVY INCREASE OF 276,000 FOR NEXT YEAR. UM, AND, AND THE REST OF THE, UH, RESOLUTION ADDRESSES WHAT, UM, THAT, THAT GROWTH, THAT 276,000 GROWTH, UM, MOVING INTO, DO YOU MIND, DO YOU MIND IF WE TAKE A PAUSE THERE? PLEASE? UM, IF IT'S OKAY WITH YOU, I'D LIKE TO ENTERTAIN QUESTIONS AS WE GO THROUGH EACH SECTION. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU, CHAIR. UM, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS WITH REGARD TO THE FIRST SECTION COVERING THE WASHINGTON COUNTY ANTI-CRIME, UM, PROPOSAL? C? NONE THERE, SIR. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THAT WAS EASY. GOOD. YEAH. UM, THE NEXT ONE WAS THE, YOU KNOW, THE EMS, UH, SHARED SERVICES PIECE THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING [00:05:01] ABOUT FOR QUITE SOME TIME. UM, THE COMMITTEE REPORT IS LAID OUT IN SORT OF THREE COLUMNS. THERE'S A GENERAL LEVEE COLUMN, THERE'S A EMS LEVEE COLUMN, AND THERE'S A LIBRARY LEVEE COLUMN. UM, THE, IN THIS EMS SHARED SERVICES SECTION, UM, YOU CAN SEE THAT, UM, $2.2 MILLION IS THE NEW EMS, UM, THAT, THAT WILL BE, UM, THAT WILL BE LEVIED FOR 2027. SO, UM, IN ADDITION TO THE 2.2 MILLION, THERE'S ANOTHER 130,000 IN GENERAL LEVY, UM, THAT, THAT IS BEING RAISED. UM, AND THEN 615,000 IN SALES TAX REVENUE THAT'S BEING ALLOCATED. THOSE THREE THINGS COMBINED GETS YOU TO THAT $2.96 MILLION, UM, TOTAL THAT'S BEING DISTRIBUTED UNDER THE PLAN. THE $2.3 MILLION THAT YOU SEE IN IS, IS THE ACTUAL LEVY NUMBER THAT'S CHANGING, RIGHT? SO $2.3 MILLION PLUS 600,000 IN SALES TAX GETS YOU TO THE 2.9. UM, WE, THE REASON WE'RE USING THESE DIFFERENT REVENUE SOURCES, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN THE PAST. UM, BUT, BUT THE REASON WE'RE USING THESE TWO REVENUE SOURCES, UH, NUMBER ONE, TO KEEP, TO KEEP TAXES LOW, TO KEEP WITHIN THAT, UM, THAT FLAT EQUALIZED RATE THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT. UM, BUT IN ADDITION TO THAT, UM, IT, IT'S THESE OTHER REVENUE SOURCES, UM, ALLOW US TO MAKE SURE WE'RE USING THE EMS LEVY FOR STRICTLY EMS PURPOSES, RIGHT? UM, THE OTHER REVENUE IS BEING APPLIED WHERE THINGS COULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE GRAY, THE VILLAGE OF SLINGER, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, BEING, BEING ONE. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THIS ONE, AND SO I FELT A LITTLE ODD NOT HAVING THAT MANY NOTES ON IT, BUT, UM, IT'S, IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD AT THIS POINT. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, BUT, BUT REALLY THAT'S THE, THE MEAT BEHIND THIS. THANK YOU. SUPERVISOR NEWMAN HAS ASKED FOR THE FLOOR, SO YOU PROBABLY HAD TO FIGURE OUT, I WAS GONNA ASK THE QUESTION WHERE THE 130,000 ON GENERAL LEVY CAME FROM. 'CAUSE THAT WAS THE FIRST TIME THAT WAS PROPOSED AS A FUNDING SOURCE. UM, IT WAS SALES TAX AND IT WAS NEW EMS LEVY. NOW 130,000 FROM GENERAL LEVY IS PROPOSED THE FIRST TIME THAT HAS COME UP. UM, I BELIEVE WE TALKED ABOUT THAT IN THE PAST. THE, THE 2.3 IS THE TOTAL LEVY NUMBER WE'VE BEEN USING ALL ALONG. UM, AND, AND THE 130,000 IS, IS, UH, IT, IT CAME FROM THE, SO THE 80 GRAND IN HERE IS THE MUNICIPAL DISTRIBUTION THAT'S SET TO GO TO SLINGER. AND THEN THE $50,000 IN VOLUNTEER INCENTIVE IS ASSUMING, UM, IT'S ASSUMING THE SLINGER VOLUNTEER MIX, RIGHT? THOUSAND DOLLARS TIMES, UM, TIMES THE 50, UM, ASSUMED VOLUNTEERS IN SLINGER. OKAY. SO THE, I THINK I, I FOLLOW THE, THE REASON BEHIND IT. OKAY. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY. EMS LEVY HAS TO BE USED FOR EMS SERVICES. MM-HMM . BECAUSE OF THE SETUP AND ARRANGEMENT IN THAT COMMUNITY. WE CAN'T USE EMS LEVY NECESSARILY. WE YEAH. LIKE CONCERNED ABOUT LEGALITY STUFF OR AUDIT SITUATIONS OR WHATEVER YOU WANNA SAY. SO THAT'S WHY YOU'RE PROPOSING FOR THIS, NOT YOUR, BUT YOU ARE MM-HMM . BUT SOMEBODY'S PROPOSING TO USE IT THROUGH THE GENERAL LEVY VERSUS THROUGH AN EMS LEVY. THAT'S CORRECT. THAT'S CORRECT. SO THE TOTAL LEVY INCREASE WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR THIS PROGRAM IS, IS 2.3 ALL ALONG. UM, THIS, THIS JUST MODIFIES HOW, HOW IT'S BEING SPLIT UP. 'CAUSE THE REASON, THE REASON I ASKED THAT IS BECAUSE I HAD THAT CONCERN LONG IN THIS PROCESS LONG TIME AGO, THAT THE MONEY IS DEDICATED TO EMS, YOU KNOW, BUT I, BUT NOW ASKING THAT QUESTION AND I UNDERSTAND WHY IT, WHY IT'S BEING PROPOSED THAT WAY, OKAY. TO AVOID ANY KIND OF ISSUES IN THE FUTURE MM-HMM . SO THAT MAKES MORE SENSE TO ME. OTHERWISE, I DIDN'T SEE THAT BEFORE. OKAY. OKAY. SO YEAH, THE 2.3 IS WHAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT ALL ALONG. JUST KIND OF HOW IT GOT SPLIT UP THERE IS, IS THE REASON WHY. [00:10:01] SO, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMITTEE ON THAT ITEM? NOPE. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THAT EXPLANATION. PLEASE CONTINUE. THE, UM, THE NEXT SECTION, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF MISCELLANEOUS ADJUSTMENTS HERE. UM, SO I'LL COVER THESE SORT OF, UH, IN A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL. UM, THAT FIRST SECTION, UM, YOU, YOU, YOU'LL RECALL THAT IN 2026 WE WENT THROUGH A, A REORG. UM, THERE'S A LOT OF MOVING PARTS TO THAT. UM, I'VE GOT IT BROKEN OUT IN REALLY TWO, TWO LINES HERE. THERE WAS SOME SIGNIFICANT CHANGES AND SIGN SIGNIFICANT SAVINGS DRIVEN, UM, FROM THE COUNTY EXECUTIVES BUDGET. UM, AND, AND THE NET, UM, IMPACT IN, IN THE OTHER AREAS WAS, UM, SO $71,000 IN SAVINGS FOR THE COUNTY EXECUTIVES BUDGET, UM, OFFSET BY ABOUT 31,000, UM, ALMOST 32,000 IN, UH, COST INCREASES IN OTHER AREAS. UM, BASED ON ALL THE MOVING PARTS. UM, THE NET IMPACT, OF COURSE IS, IS LEVY SAVINGS. AND SO WE WERE LOOKING TO BUDGET THOSE TO HELP OFFSET SOME OF THE OVERALL NEED THAT WAS DESCRIBED IN, UM, IN THE SECTIONS ABOVE. UM, THE NEXT PIECE IS A $38,000 INCREASE TO THE SHERIFF'S BUDGET FOR UNIFORM ALLOWANCE. UM, SO THAT, THAT ONE, WHEN WE BUILT THE BUDGET, UM, WE WERE IN THE MIDDLE OF NEGOTIATING THE UNION CONTRACT, UH, AT AN INCREASE TO THE UNIFORM ALLOWANCE WAS, WAS NEGOTIATED INTO THAT CONTRACT. THIS, UM, MODIFIES THE BUDGET TO FUND THAT INCREASE. UM, NEXT IS, UH, AN INCREASE TO SALES TAX REVENUE. SO THE SIX 15, UM, IN THE EMS, UM, THE EMS CATEGORY ABOVE IS AN INCREASE TO SALES TAX. THIS IS AN ADDITIONAL INCREASE OF 278,000, UM, TO THE SALES TAX. UM, WE'RE ANTICIPATING. SO, SO THAT GETS YOU, YOU KNOW, UM, THAT'S ALMOST 900,000, UH, WE'RE ANTICIPATING, UM, MORE THAN A MILLION, UM, IN SALES TAX ABOVE BUDGET THIS YEAR. AND SO WE WOULD LOOK TO CARRY THAT, UH, ESTIMATE INTO 2027. SO WE THINK THIS IS, THIS IS STILL WELL WITHIN, UM, THE RANGE OF THE NEW SALES TAX NUMBER. UM, SO, SO THIS WOULD BUDGET AN INCREASE TO THE SALES TAX BUDGET OF AN ADDITIONAL 2 78, WHICH REDUCES OUR LEVY NEED. THE NEXT SECTION IS, UH, IN, IN, IN AND OUT. SO THE, UM, THE, THE SHERIFF'S, CIP, UM, DID NOT INCLUDE THE PURCHASE OF A, OF A VEHICLE FOR THE RICHFIELD CONTRACT. UM, THIS SIMPLY BUDGETS THAT VEHICLE AND THEN IT OFFSETS THE PURCHASE OF THAT VEHICLE, UM, WITH SOME REVENUE THROUGH RICHFIELD, WHICH WILL BE RECOUPED THROUGH THAT CONTRACT. UM, THE NEXT, THE NEXT COUPLE OF LINES ARE, ARE SOME MOVING PARTS THAT WE, WE SORT OF WENT BACK. UM, I'LL START WITH THE 1%, UH, WAGE ADJUSTMENT SORT OF AT THE BOTTOM, THE $280,000. UM, AS WE'RE LOOKING TO, UM, AS WE'RE GOING INTO THE HEALTH INSURANCE, UM, UP UPDATE AND PLANNING FOR THE, FOR OPEN ENROLLMENT AND THINGS LIKE THAT. FOR 2027, UM, HEALTH INSURANCE WAS SET TO INCREASE 12%. UM, WITH ALL THE MOVING PARTS IN THERE, WE KNOW THAT THAT, OF COURSE WILL IMPACT, UH, EMPLOYEES AND INCREASE, UM, OR INCREASE THEIR COSTS AS WELL. SO, UM, WE ALWAYS LOOK AT TOTAL COMPENSATION, UM, AND WE LOOK AT WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE WAGE MARKET. AND, UM, WE CURRENTLY HAVE A BUDGET OF ESSENTIALLY 3% FOR WAGE GROWTH FROM THIS YEAR TO NEXT YEAR. UM, WE'RE PLANNING 2% ON THE COLA, 1% ON AVERAGE FOR MERIT PAY. UM, THE MARKET IS TELLING US IT'S GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN THAT. UM, THAT IN CONJUNCTION WITH SOME ANTICIPATED INCREASES IN, IN THE HEALTH INSURANCE, UM, DROVE, UM, SORT OF A, A IN, IN OUR MIND, IT DROVE, UM, AN EFFORT TO TRY AND INCREASE THAT, THOSE WAGES BY AN ADDITIONAL PERCENT. AND THAT'S WHAT THE $280,000 REPRESENTS HERE TO GET THERE. UM, [00:15:01] WE MADE A NUMBER OF BUDGET ADJUSTMENTS, UM, AS DESCRIBED HERE IN THE REMAINING LINES. SO THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT BUDGET, UM, LEVY NEED IS BEING REDUCED BY 32,000. WHEN WE ADOPT OUR BIENNIAL BUDGET, WE ASSUME THAT THE COSTS FOR THE OZAKI COUNTY CONTRACT WILL INCREASE. UM, IT, IT LOOKS LIKE OZAKI COUNTY'S BUDGET IS GOING TO COME IN FLAT IN, IN THAT LINE. SO WE'VE GOT SOME, SOME SAVINGS THERE. UM, THE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT IS PROPOSING TO ELIMINATE AN ASSISTANT ENGINEER POSITION. UM, THAT POSITION HAS BEEN VACANT FOR TWO YEARS OR SO. UM, AND, UM, THE NET SAVINGS ON THAT IS 25,000 BECAUSE THE, THE EXPENSES ARE PARTIALLY OFFSET WITH SOME REVENUE FROM THE STATE. UM, BUT THE NET LEVY IMPACT ON THAT ONE IS 25 GRAND. UM, THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S BUDGET HAS A VACANT POSITION IN IT CURRENTLY. UM, THAT POSITION HAS BEEN VACANT FOR A WHILE. UM, THAT POSITION IS BEING PROPOSED TO BE ELIMINATED HERE AS WELL. UM, WE'RE BACKFILLING THAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO BACKFILL THAT WITH $60,000 OF, UH, EXPENSE FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, ASSUMING SOME OUTSIDE LEGAL MIGHT BE NEEDED TO BROUGHT, UM, TO BE BROUGHT IN OUTSIDE COUNSEL. UM, THERE WERE SOME SIGNIFICANT PERSONNEL CHANGES THAT THAT TOOK PLACE, UH, IN THE HSD BUDGET. UM, IN TOTAL, THOSE DROVE $145,000 IN SAVINGS. AND SO ALL OF THOSE THINGS COMBINED SORT OF HELPED GET US TO, UM, THE, THE $280,000 NUMBER. THAT'S, THAT'S, UM, THAT'S BEING PROPOSED FOR INCREASING THE WAGES. UM, THAT SECTION IN TOTAL WITH, WITH ALL OF THOSE CHANGES AND THE SALES TAX REVENUE, UM, REDUCES THE LEVY NEED BY 265,000. UM, THAT IS THE EXTENT OF MY NOTES ON THIS SECTION. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT ONE? SO ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IT IS, IT'S REFRESHING COMPARED TO OTHER COUNTIES TO SEE SUCH DILIGENCE AND CREATIVITY IN KEEPING TAXES LOW FOR OUR CONSTITUENTS. SO THANK YOU. ALL YOUR EFFORTS ARE APPRECIATED AND, AND THE TEAMWORK THAT IS OBVIOUS AMONG THE VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS AS WELL. THANK YOU. ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU. UH, THE FINAL SECTION I JUST WANTED TO TOUCH ON WAS THE LIBRARY LEVY. UM, SO YOU REMEMBER FROM, FROM, UM, FROM THE BUDGET PROCESS, WE, WE ANTICIPATE, UM, WE ANTICIPATED A, A LEVY INCREASE FROM 26 TO 27. WE USED 5%, UM, KNOWING THAT WE WOULD BE BACK HERE TO ADJUST IT BACK TO ACTUALS. UM, AND SO WHAT THIS NUMBER REPRESENTS IS A $68,000 REDUCTION FROM WHAT WE BUDGETED IN 27. RIGHT? SO WE BASICALLY, WE, WE BUDGETED THAT IT WAS GONNA GROW MORE THAN IT ACTUALLY GREW. SO THIS IS ADJUSTING IT BACK DOWN, UM, BY $68,000 DING QUESTION. SO THANK YOU. LIBRARY FUNDING FOR DUMMIES. , UM, WHEN YOU MADE YOUR BUDGET AND, AND THEN YOU READJUST IT DOWN, CAN YOU KIND, BECAUSE TO THE LAY PERSON AND TO MYSELF YEAH, IT LOOKS LIKE, AND IT'S, I KNOW THAT'S NOT WHAT IT IS, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE, OH, YOU'RE CUTTING THE LIBRARY, WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE. SURE. OKAY. WHAT'S REALLY GOING ON HERE, ? SURE. UM, JUST MAKE SURE I CAN FIND THESE NUMBERS. DO YOU WANT ME TO SPEAK TO IT? SURE, THAT'D BE GREAT. OKAY. SORRY. I'M ACTUALLY THE ONE WHO PUT IT TOGETHER, BUT THERE'S A, A LIBRARY CONTRACT, SO EVERYTHING THAT'S SET IN THE, THE LIBRARY BUDGET IS DESIGNATED BECAUSE OF THE CONTRACT THAT WAS SIGNED SEVERAL YEARS AGO. AND SO YOU'LL SEE, I DON'T KNOW HOW DETAILED YOU HAVE IT, ERIN, BUT, UM, THERE'S CIRCULATION STATISTICS AND WE HAVE CHOSEN TO PAY OUR LIBRARIES AT A HUNDRED PERCENT REIMBURSEMENT RATE FOR THAT. SO THAT'S THE FIRST SET OF FEES. UM, ALSO IN THE CONTRACT THERE'S AN OUTREACH LIBRARIAN COST, AND SO WE PAY THAT AT 40% THAT'S LISTED. UM, THERE'S ALSO AUTOMATION FEES, AND THAT'S SET PER THE CONTRACT AS WELL. AND THAT GOES UP A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT EACH YEAR, UM, FROM THE MONARCH LIBRARY SYSTEM. AND THEN THE LAST THING IS THE ACT FOUR 20 PAYMENTS, WHICH THOSE ARE SET BY STATE STATUTE. WE REIMBURSE OUT OF COUNTY LIBRARIES, 70% OF THE COST OF CIRCULATION FOR THEM SERVING [00:20:01] OUR CITIZENS THAT ARE NON SERVED, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. SO WE BUDGETED, UM, A LITTLE HIGH BASED ON WHAT WE THOUGHT THOSE NUMBERS WOULD COME IN AT. AND THEY ENDED UP COMING IN LOWER THAN WE THOUGHT. CORRECT. YEAH. SO WE'RE JUST READJUSTING OUR BUDGET TO THE ACTUAL CONTRACT. YES, THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO CUT HERE. AND YES, I UNDERSTAND THAT , BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE FOR ANY LISTENERS AT HOME THAT THIS IS NOT WHAT IT IS. IT IS A BUDGET ADJUSTMENT TO MATCH THE CONTRACT, CORRECT? YES. THE 2026, UH, LIBRARY LEVY WAS 2.06 MILLION. THE 2027 LEVY UNDER THIS PROPOSAL WILL BE 2.09 MILLION. SO IT IS INCREASING JUST NOT AS MUCH AS WE ORIGINALLY THOUGHT. EXCELLENT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THAT EX THOROUGH EXPLANATION. APPRECIATE IT. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, SUPERVISOR? NEWMAN? I HAVE A QUESTION THAT I'M SORRY, I'M GONNA JUMP BACK. MM-HMM . ONE SECTION. UH, I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE, THE WAGE INCREASE. SO I'VE ALWAYS BEEN A SUPPORTER OF OUR COUNTY STAFF, AND I, I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT MM-HMM . BUT I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE 12% INCREASE IN HEALTH INSURANCE. IS THAT BEING PASSED THROUGH? IS THAT 12% INCREASE TO EMPLOYEES OR IS THAT BEING ABSORBED, OR HOW MUCH OF IT, AND THE, DO I WANNA KNOW? WELL, THE , THE INCREASE IS BOTH SIDES OF THE EQUATION, RIGHT. EMPLOYEES AND EMPLOYER BOTH INCREASING. UM, WE'RE, WE'RE SLIGHTLY CHANGING THE, UM, PREMIUM SHARE. UM, I THINK IT'S, UH, THE PREMIUM SHARE HISTORICALLY, UM, AT LEAST IN THE LAST FEW YEARS HAS BEEN 87 AND A HALF COUNTY, 12 AND A HALF EMPLOYEE. UM, I BELIEVE WE'RE ADJUSTING THAT UP TO 13 AND A HALF FOR THE EMPLOYEE. THERE'S CHANGES TO THE DEDUCTIBLES AND HOW THEY WORK. THERE'S CHANGES TO THE COPAYS AND HOW THEY WORK. IT'S KIND OF A RE RECONFIGURING OF THE ENTIRETY OF THE PLAN. EMPLOYEES DO TAKE A BIGGER PORTION. UM, THIS THE RAISE AND WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME, UM, WITH THE ENTIRE TEAM, UH, TO THE, TO THE CHAIRMAN'S POINT, LIKE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S THE RIGHT AMOUNT. IS IT A HALF PERCENT, IS A PERCENT IS A PERCENT AND A HALF A 1% RAISE, EVEN FOR MOST OF OUR EMPLOYEES THAT ARE KIND OF ON THE FRONT END. SO $30 AN HOUR ISH, THIS WILL COVER ON THEIR FAMILY PLAN. IT'LL COVER ALL OF THE INCREASE PLUS ABOUT DOUBLE THAT. UM, SO IT'S, I WANT TO SAY OFF, I'M GOING OFF MEMORY, SO I APOLOGIZE IF THESE NUMBERS AREN'T A HUNDRED PERCENT, BUT I WANNA SAY THE INCREASE CONSTITUTES LIKE A $500 ANNUAL INCREASE, BUT THE RAISE WILL CONSTITUTE ALMOST A THOUSAND SOMEWHERE IN THAT BALLPARK. UM, IT WAS ENOUGH TO MAKE IT WORTH THE EFFORT OF THE WHOLE CABINET TO SIT IN A ROOM AND SAY, HOW DO WE GET TO THAT NUMBER SO THAT WE COVER THE LAW, COVER THE INCREASE IN THEN SOME, THAT'S ALL. DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? THAT'S, IT ANSWERS MY QUESTION BECAUSE I DON'T, BEFORE I PAT OURSELVES ON THE BACK OR ANYBODY OVER THERE ON THE BACK ABOUT ADDING THIS EXTRA 1%, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WEREN'T DOING THIS AND GOING HIGHER ON THE COST. YEAH. IT'S, IT IS WORTH AT LEAST A BALANCE OF THESE, RIGHT? RIGHT. NO, WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T FUND IT BY, YOU KNOW, ON THE BACK OF EMPLOYEES, SO TO SPEAK. UM, I MEAN, REALLY THE CABINET DESERVES A HELL OF A LOT OF CREDIT WHEN, WHEN WE'VE BEEN TALKING INTERNALLY, STARTING WITH MARGIE HAMMERS AND SKETCH MI, UM, ABOUT THAT 12 AT, AND I THINK IT STARTED AT 18% INCREASE, AND WE MADE A BUNCH OF MODIFICATIONS TO GET IT DOWN TO 12, AND THEN MORE MODIFICATIONS TO FUND, AS I JUST DESCRIBED. BUT WE STARTED WITH THE SAVINGS IN THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE'S OFFICE, PUSHED THAT AS FAR AS WE COULD GET IT, BUT, YOU KNOW, 1% INCREASE IS ALMOST $300,000. SO THE CABINET REALLY DID WORK HARD TO TRY TO COME UP WITH THE REST. SO TO YOUR POINT THAT THIS WOULDN'T JUST BE PASSED ON, EMPLOYEES ARE DEFINITELY TAKING MORE RESPONSIBILITY, NO QUESTIONS ASKED, BUT IT'S NOT FUNDED ON THEIR BACK, SO TO SPEAK. OKAY. AND I APPRECIATE THAT. I KNOW I'VE BEEN VOCAL MM-HMM . A COUPLE YEARS AGO. IT THANK YOU. WE THOUGHT YOU MIGHT APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ADD IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT FUNDED ON THEIR BACK. THE REALITY IS, IS WE CARE ABOUT OUR EMPLOYEES AND IT'S, IT'S, UM, IT'S NOT ALWAYS EASY TO KEEP THOSE BENEFITS, UH, DOWN AND WE CAN'T ALWAYS FUND IT. UM, BUT IT CERTAINLY IS WORTH NOTING WHEN WE TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO TRY AND [00:25:01] MAKE SURE THAT THEY DON'T FEEL THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT 1% IS SIGNIFICANT FOR THE TAXPAYERS AND, AND WE WANT TO BE, HAVE IT THAT OUR EMPLOYEES ARE COMPETITIVE AND, YOU KNOW, BE A COMPETITIVE EMPLOYER BECAUSE WE ARE IN A MARKET WHERE WE HAVE TO COMPETE NOT ONLY WITH OTHER COUNTIES, BUT THE PRIVATE SECTOR AS WELL. YEAH. SO THIS WILL, I THINK, KEEP US IN LEAGUE WITH THAT, UH, COMPETITIVENESS. MR. CHAIRMAN? YES, SIR. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. UM, YOU KNOW, IN THE PAST, AND I'M GOING BACK PROBABLY CLOSE TO 10 YEARS, BUT THE, THE FINANCE COMMITTEE OF THE COUNTY BOARD USED TO LINE BY LINE COPAYS, DEDUCTIBLES, PREMIUMS, GO THROUGH EVERYTHING IN HEALTH INSURANCE. AND THAT WAS ALL HANDED OVER TO ADMINISTRATION PROBABLY A DECADE AGO. UM, I CAN'T RECALL THE LAST TIME WE CAME TO THE COUNTY BOARD AND WALKED YOU THROUGH THAT. IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE COULD DO IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN IT. UM, BUT IT HAD GOTTEN KIND OF TO THE POINT WHERE IT WAS LIKE MONOTONOUS. UM, AND THE, THE COMMITTEE BASICALLY JUST SAID, JUST HANDLE IT UNLESS IT'S SOMETHING DRASTIC. AND SO WE HAVE BEEN HANDLING IT, BUT IF IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO HAVE THAT INFORMATION, WE'D BE HAPPY TO PUT IT TOGETHER AND WE PAY A BROKER A FAIR CHUNK OF CHANGE, IT WOULD BE WORTH GETTING THAT BLOOD OUT OF THE TURNUP. UH, SO I, I OFFER THAT AS, I, I MEAN, I'M CERTAINLY NOT AN EXPERT IN HEALTH INSURANCE, BUT IT MIGHT BE INTERESTING IF YOU HAVE AN HOUR OF YOUR TIME, YOU'D BE INTERESTED IN GIVING UP ONLY AN HOUR, HUH? AND I, I THINK, UH, IN THE INTEREST OF TRANSPARENCY, THANKS FOR, FOR OFFERING THAT UP, BUT I THINK, UM, THIS AFTERNOON IS AN EXAMPLE THAT OF, OF THE TRUST BETWEEN THE DEPARTMENTS AND IN THE, IN THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH AND, AND BETWEEN THE BOARD, THAT IT'S OBVIOUS THAT THE TEAM IS DOING AS MUCH AS THEY CAN. AND IT'S OBVIOUS THAT PEOPLE, THAT EMPLOYEES ARE SENSITIVE BOTH TO THE TAXPAYER'S NEEDS AND TO THE EMPLOYERS EMPLOYEE'S NEEDS. AND THERE'S A, A GOOD BALANCE, IN MY OPINION, HAS BEEN STRUCK. SO THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT. UM, AND BASED ON THAT, NO, I DON'T WANT TO DIVE INTO DETAILS. , THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NO, THANK YOU. . WE ENJOY THE SAUSAGE. WE DON'T NEED TO. AND CERTAINLY IF ANY ONE OF YOU ARE INTERESTED, LIKE WE CAN, MIKE CAN SCHEDULE A DISCUSSION AND WE'RE HAPPY TO SHARE. IT'S NO PROBLEM. YES, SIR. THANK YOU. UH, CHAIR, JUST A REAL QUICK COMMENT. YOU KNOW, WITH, AS I'VE ALWAYS SAID, THE DEMAND THAT WE HAVE ON THE SHARED SERVICES, I'M GLAD WE'RE ABLE TO CONTINUE DOING THAT WHILE HOLDING IT FLAT. MM-HMM . I MEAN, THAT I, THAT'S A TOUGH, YOU KNOW, A TALL ORDER. SO THANK YOU AGAIN. THANK YOU. NOW ON THIS ITEM, DO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL? I'LL MAKE A MOTION. SECOND SUPERVISOR SHARIN, SECONDED BY SUPERVISOR KEL, IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. CHAIRMAN, SCH SLAVE, ARE YOU IN ON THIS ONE? IN THE AFFIRMATIVE. THANK YOU. AND ARE THERE ANY OPPOSED? THERE ARE NONE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. MOVING ON TO ITEM THREE B ON THE AGENDA, 2026, RESOLUTION STATE FISCAL YEAR 2027 NG NINE 11 GIS GRANT FROM WISCONSIN, DEPARTMENT OF MILITARY AFFAIRS, OFFICE OF EMERGENCY COMMUNICATION. YEAH, THAT'S A MOUTHFUL, ISN'T IT? ? [b. 2026 Resolution – State Fiscal Year 2027 NG9-1-1 GIS Grant from the Wisconsin Department of Military Affairs – Office of Emergency Communication (DMA-OEC)] IT IS. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. UM, YES, SO, UH, MAINTAINING AND IMPROVING THE QUALITY OF OUR DATA TO SUPPORT NEXT GEN 9 1 1 CONTINUES TO BE A SIGNIFICANT TASK OF OUR DEPARTMENTS. UM, AS, UH, AS WAS MENTIONED, WE DO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO APPLY FOR A, A GRANT TO OFFSET SOME OF THE COSTS FOR THAT. THAT IS A NON-COMPETITIVE GRANT. AND, UH, IT'S, IT'S MEANT TO COVER THE MAINTENANCE OF 9 1 1 DATA THAT WE, THAT WE MAINTAIN AND PROVIDE TO BOTH OUR PUBLIC SAFETY ANSWERING POINT IN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, AS WELL AS THE CITY OF WEST BEND, AS PART OF THEIR, THEIR PD. SO I TRY TO, IN THE COMMITTEE REPORT, KINDA LAY OUT A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE GRANTS AND A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT WE'RE GONNA USE IT FOR. IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT, I'M HAPPY TO TAKE THEM. THANK YOU. MR. DAMCO, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? THE, AND AGAIN, THIS IS PRETTY MUCH A STANDARD YEAR TO YEAR, UM, GRANT THAT, THAT WE, UM, APPLY FOR. IS THERE ANYTHING DIFFERENT FROM YEARS PAST? YEAH, SO, UM, NOT LAST YEAR, BUT 20 23, 24 AND 25, THOSE GRANTS WERE ACTUALLY COMPETITIVE AND WE COULDN'T USE THOSE GRANTS FOR IN-HOUSE STAFF OR EXISTING IN-HOUSE [00:30:01] STAFF. UM, SO THE, THE STRINGS, THE REQUIREMENTS, UM, TO USE THOSE GRANTS WERE A LOT MORE, UH, STRINGENT AS, AS WELL AS, UM, THERE WAS ACTUALLY A COST SHARE AT THAT TIME. UM, STARTING WITH LAST YEAR'S GRANT, UH, THEY'VE RECOGNIZED THAT MOST COUNTIES ARE THROUGH INITIAL DATA CONVERSION AND ARE NOW MORE TOWARDS MAINTENANCE AND, AND, AND CLEANUP. AND CONSEQUENTLY, THEY'VE ALLOWED US TO USE THAT FOR ONGOING MAINTENANCE AND EX AND EXISTING STAFF. UM, SO THAT'S A REAL HELP FOR US. UM, THIS IS COMING BEFORE YOU TODAY BECAUSE WE WEREN'T SURE THAT THIS WAS GONNA HAPPEN A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, AND WHERE WHENEVER IT WAS THAT WE PREPARED THE BUDGET, UM, IF THE SIGNS LOOK LIKE THESE GRANTS WILL CONTINUE, IT'S LIKELY SOMETHING THAT WE'LL JUST, WE'LL JUST BAKE INTO THE BUDGET, UM, NEXT TIME AROUND, AND THEN WE WON'T HAVE TO COME AND GET SEPARATE APPROVAL FOR IT. SUPERVISOR KELLY, UM, DO WE, SO I SEE THAT 50% IS FOR FUTURE ORTHO PHOTOGRAPHY. UH, ARE WE DOING THOSE IN-HOUSE FOR THE PHOTOGRAPHY? YEAH. UM, THAT IS AN EXCELLENT QUESTION. SO THAT'S . THAT IS, UH, SOMETHING THAT WE'VE HISTORICALLY, UM, DONE IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE REGIONAL PLANNING COMMISSION. UM, WE BELIEVE THAT THE 2026 ORTHO PHOTOGRAPHY PROGRAM, WE WILL AGAIN, GET FROM THE REGIONAL PLANNING COMMISSION ONCE YOU GUYS FIGURE ALL OF THAT OUT, UM, ONCE WE GET TO 2028, THEN, UM, IT'S A LITTLE BIT UNCERTAIN WHETHER WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO PARTNERSHIP WITH SEWER PACK OR WHETHER WE'RE GONNA GOING TO HAVE TO, UH, DO THAT ON OUR OWN. UM, SO 2028 IS STILL UP IN THE AIR, I WOULD SAY. AND ARE THERE NOT OTHER COMP COMPANIES THAT WE SEE, SUCH AS AT THE WCA OFFERING THEIR SERVICES THAT WOULD DO THIS TYPE OF WORK? YEAH, SO MOST OF THE COUNTIES IN THE STATE ACQUIRE THEIR ORTHO PHOTOGRAPHY THROUGH WHAT'S CALLED THE WISCONSIN W ROCK, WISCONSIN REGIONAL ORTHO PHOTO CONSORTIUM. UM, SO IT'S A, IT'S A REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATION SELECTION PROCESS THAT, THAT THEY GO THROUGH. UM, ERRORS AND ASSOCIATES HAVE, HAS WON THE CONTRACT, THE LAST NUMBER OF, OF GO ROUND. AND, UH, THEY PUBLISH A MENU OF PRICES THAT YOU CAN GET OR PHOTOGRAPHY FROM. UM, SEWER PACK WILL THEN PIGGYBACK ON THAT. AND BECAUSE OF ECONOMY OF SCALE, THEY'RE ABLE TO GET A LITTLE BIT BETTER RATE THAN THE, THE LIST PRICE, I WOULD SAY. UM, AND THEN THEY ALSO ARE ABLE TO PROVIDE SOME IN-KIND SERVICES AS WELL AS, UM, SOME FEDERAL TRANSPORTATION PLANNING DOLLARS THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE PROJECT THAT WE BENEFIT FROM. SO THE PRICE THAT WE HAVE BEEN GETTING HAS BEEN LESS, HOW ALL OF THAT WORKS IN THE FUTURE IS YET TO BE DETERMINED. SO THE WORST CASE SCENARIO IS THAT WE TAKE IT OFF THE W ROCK PRICE LIST, WHICH WILL BE MORE, BUT IT'S STILL AN UNDERSTOOD COST. AND THEN THERE WILL BE SOME ADDITIONAL WORK THAT WILL PROBABLY HAVE, UM, OUR SURVEYING GROUP OVER IN, OVER IN HIGHWAY TED DONKEY, UM, THAT HE WILL BE INVOLVED IN SOME OF THE QUALITY CONTROL OF THOSE IMAGES, UM, ONCE THEY'RE IN AND THAT'S IN KIND CONTRIBUTION THAT SEWER PACK PROVIDES CURRENTLY. SO, UM, THEY WOULD, OR THE PHOTOGRAPHY WILL COST MORE AND THERE'LL BE ADDITIONAL LOAD ON INTERNAL STAFF. BUT, UM, THERE ARE AVENUES FORWARD FOR US TO DO THAT, UM, WITH OR WITHOUT SEW PACK. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SUPERVISOR CHADRON. THANK YOU. REAL QUICK QUESTION. UH, WHAT IS THE COST OF, UH, THIS WHOLE PACKAGE, THAT ORTHO PACKAGE? UM, I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT NUMBERS AHEAD OF ME, BUT LET'S JUST, UH, UM, IF WE WERE TO BUY THAT OFF, OFF OF THE LIST PRICE, IT'S PROBABLY 85,000 EVERY TWO YEARS. UM, UM, OUR PRICE THROUGH SEWER PACK IS PROBABLY MORE LIKE 55,000. OKAY. THANK YOU. YEP. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? EITHER WAY, WE'RE PAYING FOR ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. MM-HMM . YEP. RIGHT. UH, WE'D ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE, UM, THE RESOLUTION. ALL. MOTION TO APPROVE SUPERVISOR KEL. SUPERVISOR CHADRON. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THERE ARE ANY OPPOSED, BUT IF YOU ARE, SPEAK UP. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ITEM C, UH, HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES BUILDING OPTIONS REPORT. WELCOME, KARA. HI, HOW ARE YOU? VERY WELL, THANKS. HOW ARE YOU THIS AFTERNOON? GOOD. I'M GOOD. UM, SO, UM, SO I'M HERE TODAY TO, UH, TO [c. Health and Human Services Building Options Report] TALK THROUGH, UM, THE HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES OPTIONS WITH YOU. I KNOW SEVERAL OF YOU ARE, ARE PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH THEM, BUT, UM, WE WILL GO THROUGH, UM, JUST HIGH LEVEL WHAT IS IN THE PACKET FOR YOUR REVIEW AND, UM, AND THEN ENTERTAIN ANY [00:35:01] QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. UM, SO OVER THE LAST SIX MONTHS OR SO, UM, THE FACILITIES TEAM, UM, AND SCOTT SCHMIDT AND JULIE DRISCOLL HAVE BEEN WORKING, UM, ON PROPOSALS OR OPTIONS FOR THE HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES, UH, UH, DEPARTMENT. UM, WE HAVE CONSIDERED SEVERAL DIFFERENT OPTIONS. UM, ONE OPTION WAS THAT WE LOOKED AT AND, UM, AND TOOK OFF THE TABLE WAS, UH, WAS A, UH, REMODEL OF A, UH, A BUILDING THAT'S, OR AN OPPORTUNITY THAT'S GONNA BE A, SOME BUILDINGS THAT ARE GONNA BE AVAILABLE, UM, IN THE FUTURE FOR REMODEL. UM, BUT TOOK THAT OFF THE TABLE FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS. UM, MOST SIGNIFICANTLY, IT JUST DIDN'T HAVE THE SPACE THAT WAS REQUIRED FOR THE TEAM. UM, WE LOOKED AT, UH, PUBLIC OR, AND OR PRIVATE, UH, PARTNERSHIP OPTION. UM, AND YOU'LL SEE INFORMATION REGARDING THAT IN YOUR PACKET. UM, WE LOOKED AT REMODELING THE EXISTING PAC BUILDING, UM, AND WE LOOKED AT CONSTRUCTING A NEW BUILDING. UM, THE, UH, THE OPTIONS ARE HAVE ALL BEEN, UH, PRESENTED AND DISCUSSED, UH, DISCUSSED HEAVILY WITH THE BUILDING COMMITTEE AND, UH, THEY, AND ALONG WITH A 30 YEAR PROJECTED BUDGET FOR EACH OF THOSE, EACH OF THE THREE VIABLE OPTIONS THAT WE STILL HAVE ON THE TABLE. AND ON, UM, OCTOBER 6TH, THEY RECOMMENDED A, OR THEY RECOMMENDED APPROVING, UH, MOVING FORWARD WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW BUILDING. UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY. UM, THE PLAN IS TO TAKE IT TO THE COUNTY BOARD IN DECEMBER. UM, IN ADVANCE OF THAT, WE'RE LOOKING TO PRESENT TO THE HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES COMMITTEE IN NOVEMBER. UM, WE WILL BE BACK IN FRONT OF, OF THIS TEAM AGAIN IN, UM, IN NOVEMBER FOR APPROVAL TO BORROW MONEY FOR ARCHITECTURAL FEES. UM, THE BUILDING COMMITTEE MIGHT BE MEETING, UM, BETWEEN NOW AND THEN. AND, UM, AND AGAIN, WE'RE LOOKING AT BEING AT THE DECEMBER COUNTY BOARD MEETING. AND THEN, UM, LOOKING FOR APPROVAL OF BORROWING FOR THE CONSTRUCTION PROJECT, UH, IN THE FIRST QUARTER OF 2027. UM, FROM A SCHEDULE STANDPOINT, HIGH LEVEL, THAT PUTS US AT, UH, BEGINNING PHASE TWO OF DESIGN ON OR ABOUT NOVEMBER 30TH OF THIS YEAR, UM, WITH THE, THIS PHASE OF DESIGN COMPLETING ON MARCH 12TH, UM, THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE AND COUNTY BOARD MEETINGS FOR THE FINAL BORROWING RESOLUTION ARE TARGETED FOR MARCH 17TH, 2027, UH, BIDDING DOCU. THE DOCUMENTS ARE, ARE EXPECTED TO BE READY FOR BIDDING IN APRIL, UM, WITH, UH, BIDDING AND CONTRACTS, FINALIZATION TAKING PLACE BY THE END OF JUNE OF 2027. AND US BREAKING GROUND IN JULY OF 2027. UM, SUBSTANTIAL, UH, COMPLETION AND MOVE-IN WOULD THEN BE TAKING PLACE DURING THE FIRST QUARTER OF 2028, OR I'M SORRY, 2029. I, THAT WOULD'VE BEEN A REALLY FAST PROJECT. SO, UM, SO WITH THAT, THE, THE ITEMS THAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR, UH, PACKET INCLUDE, UM, A, A BUILDING OPTIONS REPORT, UH, INCLUDING THE 30 YEAR COST ESTIMATE, UM, THE PROJECT SCHEDULE UPDATE, UM, A BUILD, UH, OP, AN OPTIONS REPORT THAT INCLUDES CUMMINS ON BUILDING OPTIONS, PARTNERSHIPS AND ALTERNATE LOCATIONS ANALYSIS. UM, AND THEN, UH, FINALLY THE PROPOSED BUILDING DESIGN AND LAYOUT FOR THE NEW, UH, HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES BUILDING. UM, WHICH IS PLANNED TO BE LOCATED, UM, ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PARKING LOT TO THE EAST OF THIS BUILDING, UM, ALONG RALPH'S AVENUE. UM, THERE ARE SOME ALTERNATES THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THAT, UH, CONSTRUCTION, INCLUDING, UH, THE POTENTIAL FUTURE, A POTENTIAL FUTURE MORGUE LOCATION, UM, UH, AN ADDITIONAL CANOPY OVER THE DRIVEWAY FOR DROP OFF OF, UH, OF PEOPLE VISITING THE PAC, UM, AND INCLUDING A STRUCTURAL ROOF OVER THE SINGLE, UH, THE SINGLE STORY PORTION OF THAT BUILDING IN THE EVENT THAT DOWN THE, DOWN THE ROAD, WE WOULD WANT TO, UM, WE WOULD WANT TO, OR WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE AN ADDITION PUT ON THE BUILDING. UM, SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE FUTURE PROOFING TYPES OF THINGS THAT WE HAVE INCLU OR THAT WE HAVE AS OPTIONS IN THE PACKAGE. UM, THE, THAT'S REALLY ALL I HAD. JULIE, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO ADD? NOT AT THIS TIME, UNLESS THERE'S QUESTIONS. YEAH. SO IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, WE'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM. THANK YOU. UM, SUPERVISOR KELLY. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. UM, SO I WENT THROUGH THIS REALLY THOROUGHLY LAST NIGHT, MM-HMM . UM, AND I KIND OF AGREE WITH THE BUILDING COMMITTEE. UH, IT SEEMS PROBABLY THE MOST LOGICAL CHOICE, UM, NOT NECESSARILY THE CHEAPEST IS TO GO WITH A NEW BUILDING. UM, HAVING SAID THAT, THE BUILD OUT FOR A POSSIBLE FUTURE [00:40:01] SECOND FLOOR THAT I KIND OF QUESTION A LITTLE BIT, NOT SAYING I'M AGAINST IT MM-HMM . JUST, UH, CAN WE SEE AN ACTUAL NEED, UH, FUTURE WISE? IS THIS SOMETHING THAT'S WORTH ALL THE MONEY THAT WE WOULD BE STICKING INTO IT? UH, I MEAN, IT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THIS IS A QUESTION FOR JULIE IS LIKE, HOW MUCH DO YOU SEE YOUR STAFF INCREASING, UH, SAY IN THE NEXT 20 YEARS? 'CAUSE I DOUBT ANYTHING WOULD HAPPEN NECESSARILY IN THE, IN THE NEXT 10 AFTER JUST BUILDING THIS BUILDING. UM, AND THEN POSSIBILITY OF THE DEATH RATE, UH, CONTINUING TO CLIMB AND THEN MAXIMIZING AND SHRINKING OVER THAT SAY 10 TO 15 YEARS. UH, LOOKING AT 20 YEARS, I GUESS WOULD PROBABLY BE THE EARLIEST YOU'D BE INCREASING. I JUST DON'T SEE THE VALUE OF DOING A A IF, IF WE HAVE THE SPACE NOW, YOU KNOW, IT, MAYBE IT MIGHT GET A LITTLE TIGHT FOR A LITTLE WHILE, BUT I, I JUST DON'T SEE THAT. BUT I'D LIKE TO HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS MR. . YEAH, DEFINITELY. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, CRYSTAL BALL ASIDE, UM, YOU KNOW, IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, UM, AND TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION IN, UM, DESIGNING THE, THE CURRENT FOOTPRINT THAT WE'RE PROPOSING. UM, I WOULD SAY WHAT IS BUILT IN RIGHT NOW IS SOME, UM, CAPABILITY FOR, UM, FOR GROWTH, UM, SPECIFICALLY ON THE SECOND FLOOR WHERE WE CURRENTLY HAVE IT ALLOCATED FOR A CONTRACTOR. UM, THAT IS A SPACE THAT CERTAINLY WE COULD ASK THAT CONTRACTOR TO MOVE OUT OF AND, AND GO INTO THAT SPACE. UM, MIGHT NOT HAVE THE SAME FLOW AS, YOU KNOW, THE DESIGN THAT WE HAVE TODAY, BUT THAT IS SOME FUTURE GROWTH, UM, OPPORTUNITY. UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD TO SAY, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH THE, UM, ONSET OF AI, THERE ARE CERTAINLY, UM, EFFICIENCIES THAT CAN BE CREATED WITHIN, UM, ANY PROGRAM, IN ANY ORGANIZATION. UM, THERE'S ALSO THE CONVERSE OF THAT, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, AS, UH, THE GROWTH OF MENTAL HEALTH NEEDS AND, UH, SUBSTANCE USE NEEDS, YOU KNOW, OUR PROGRAMS ARE THE PROGRAMS THAT COULD POTENTIALLY, UM, GROW. AND THEN AS THE POPULATION AGES, YOU KNOW, THE A DRC IS ONE, UM, THAT I'VE SORT OF ALWAYS BEEN PROJECTING THAT COULD HAVE SOME GROWTH. BUT WHEN WE, YOU KNOW, WHEN I THINK ABOUT GROWTH, AND I THINK ABOUT THE GROWTH IN THE LAST 10 YEARS, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A HANDFUL OF STAFF. YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, 50 STAFF ALL AT ONCE. UM, I KNOW FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO'VE BEEN ON MY COMMITTEE, UM, OUR BIGGEST AREA OF GROWTH IS THE CHILDREN'S LONG-TERM SUPPORT PROGRAM. BUT THOSE STAFF WORK, UM, PART-TIME REMOTE OR HALF HYBRID REMOTE. UM, AND SO WE ARE MOVING QUITE A FEW STAFF, UM, IN THE NEW BUILD INTO A CUBICLE SPACE VERSUS THE WAY THAT THE BUILDING CURRENTLY IS DESIGNED TO HAVE EVERYBODY HAVE THEIR OFFICE, OWN OFFICE OR SHARED OFFICES, . UM, SO I, I FEEL GOOD ABOUT THE SPACE THAT WE HAVE AND POTENTIAL GROWTH, YOU KNOW, IN A, IN A, A HANDFUL OF STAFF, RIGHT? 10 TO 15, MAYBE 20, IF YOU START TALKING ABOUT 20, 30 YEARS FROM NOW AND WE NEED, AND THERE'S FOR SOME REASON WE WOULD NEED, YOU KNOW, 30 TO 40 MORE STAFF THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A DIFFERENT NEED ALTOGETHER. AND I THINK A CONVERSATION FOR THAT COUNTY BOARD AND, AND THAT TEAM AT THAT POINT. I KNOW, SCOTT, I MEAN TO, TO YOUR QUESTION AT HAND, IT IS AN AREA FOR COST SAVINGS TO NOT, UM, PUT THOSE, THAT STRUCTURE IN PLACE FOR A, A BUILD OUT. AND SCOTT AND I HAVE HAD THE CONVERSATION OF, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY IF THE COUNTY BOARD WANTED AND THE BUILDING COMMITTEE WANTED TO MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION IN THE FUTURE, IT'S STILL SOMETHING THAT COULD BE DONE. IT WOULD JUST BE MORE EXPENSIVE AT THAT TIME. UM, AND A DECISION I THINK THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE TAKEN UP, YOU KNOW, IN 20 YEARS FOR THAT COUNTY BOARD AND THAT ADMINISTRATION. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT. AND, AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO MAKE, TO REMIND OURSELVES THAT OUR PURPOSE TODAY IS NOT TO FIGURE OUT WHICH OPTIONS WE MAY OR MAY NOT WANT TO PURSUE, UM, AS PART OF ITS DUE DILIGENCE. UM, STAFF DID PUT THOSE BEFORE THE BUILDING COMMITTEE, BUT AT THE LAST BUILDING COMMITTEE MEETING, THE REAL PURPOSE OF THAT MEETING WAS TO DECIDE WHICH OPTION IS THE MOST VIABLE. AND FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES, THAT IS OUR PURPOSE HERE TODAY TOO, IS THE NEW BUILDING, THE MOST PRACTICAL IN THE LONG TERM FOR THE COUNTY AS OPPOSED TO THE OTHER OPTIONS THAT WERE THERE. AND SO WE COULD, WE COULD GO OFF ON A TANGENT AND TALK ABOUT ALL THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS, BUT THAT REALLY ISN'T OUR PURPOSE TODAY. PLEASE. YEAH. AND IT UNDERSTOOD. UM, BUT I GUESS MY CHOOSING THIS OPTION IS A BIT OF A CAVEAT BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S THINGS THAT DEFINITELY COULD BE IMPROVED ON THIS OP OPTION, AND THAT'S WHY I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THAT POINT. UM, BUT YOU ARE RIGHT ON THE AI WAS PROBABLY THE NEXT THING THAT [00:45:01] I WOULD PROBABLY BRING UP. UM, SO WE SHOULD BE BUILDING AND THINKING ABOUT THE FUTURE. UM, SO I THINK THAT'S ANOTHER GOOD REASON FOR THIS, FOR THIS OPTION. UM, BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOU ARE WELCOME SUPERVISOR CHADRON. THANK YOU. AS FAR AS BEING ON THE BUILDING COMMITTEE, I JUST WANNA MAKE EVERYBODY AWARE THAT AT ONE TIME YOU WERE LOOKING AT THE 20 YEAR COST ESTIMATE COMPARISON, AND IT GAVE US A LITTLE DIFFERENT PICTURE IN WHAT WE HAVE HERE. I'M KIND OF GLAD WE WENT TO A 30 YEAR COST ESTIMATE COMPARISON BECAUSE THAT DID CHANGE THE NUMBERS QUITE A BIT BASED ON WHICH OPTION WE USED. UM, AND, AND HOW DID THAT CHANGE? BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY IF YOU'RE LEASING A BUILDING FROM PRIVATE SECTOR, THE COST FEES GO UP, RENTAL GOES UP EVERY YEAR. SO AGAIN, HAVING, BEING AT THAT BUILDING IS WHAT, 35 YEARS OLD? I WANTED TO HAVE THAT COMPARISON. I'M ASSUMING THIS BUILDING'S GONNA BE HERE FOR MORE THAN 30 YEARS AS WELL. UM, SO AGAIN, HAVING THAT 30 YEAR COMPARISON, IT SEEMED TO ME LIKE CONSTRUCTING A NEW BUILDING WAS THE MOST, UH, THE BEST WAY TO GO. UM, AND AGAIN, YOU COULD LOOK INTO A 35 YEAR COM UH, COMPARISON, AND YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA GET EVEN A BETTER RESULT THAN THIS. SO AS FAR AS COST SAVINGS TO THE COUNTY, ANYWAY, SO IT'S THE ONLY COMMENT I HAVE AT THIS POINT. 30 SUPERVISOR NEWMAN, A LOT OF INFORMATION, A LOT OF GOOD INFORMATION IN THERE. AND I WILL SAY THAT I'M IN SUPPORT OF A NEW BUILDING VERSUS THE OTHER OPTIONS PRESENTED AS WELL. SHORT AND SWEET. THAT'S MY OPINION ON IT. UM, FORGIVE ME, UH, COUNTY ATTORNEY OR, OR MIKE, UM, DOES THIS RE THIS DOES NOT REQUIRE A MOTION, IT WAS JUST A REPORT. THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT IT WAS, BUT JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE, UM, MR. DRISCOLL LOOKS LIKE YOU WERE GETTING READY TO ADD SOMETHING. YEAH, IF I COULD JUST ADD, UM, JUST SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF BEHALF OF SCOTT WHO'S NOT HERE TODAY. SO YEAH, I THINK TODAY'S WAS JUST TO GET THIS IN FRONT OF THE FULL EXECUTIVE, UM, SO YOU COULD ASK YOUR QUESTIONS AND UM, START, YOU KNOW, REALLY THINKING ABOUT THE DECISION TO BE MADE. UM, BECAUSE THEN IN NEXT MONTH WE'LL BE, UM, THE REQUEST FOR THE SECOND PHASE, UM, OF THE ARCHITECT FEES AS KARA DESCRIBED. UM, AND ONCE WE START GOING DOWN THAT ROAD, RIGHT, WE'RE GOING DOWN A ROAD THAT OF SPENDING MONEY THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANNA SPEND UNNECESSARILY IF, UM, WE DON'T THINK THAT THIS IS GONNA BE APPROVED IN THE LONG TERM. SO I THINK THOSE ARE THE THINGS TO BE, UM, THINKING ABOUT, UM, IN THIS DECISION. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? YOU KNOW WHAT, ONE QUESTION SUPERVISOR CHADRON MY APOLOGIES AGAIN 'CAUSE IT'S ALL COMING BACK TO ME NOW. UM, SO ANOTHER THING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT ON THE BUILDING COMMITTEE IS, UM, AND WHEN WE WERE TALKING TO THE ARCHITECT IS WHEN IT COMES TIME TO MAKE SURE WE DO THE SHELL, RIGHT, BECAUSE OF THE WATER ISSUES THAT WE'RE HAVING ON THE PAC, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT BUILDING SOMETHING JUST CHEAP JUST TO GET IT DONE, BUT TO DO IT RIGHT. SO WE DO HAVE THAT LONGEVITY OF THE BUILDING. UM, WHICH AGAIN, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT 35 OR 40 YEARS OUT NOW, THAT MAKES EVEN MORE SENSE. SO, BUT IT'S GOTTA BE DONE PROPER . YES. AND SO, AND, AND I DO UNDERSTAND WHEN IT COMES TO THESE THINGS TOO. UM, YOU KNOW, ONCE YOU START COMMITTING A MILLION DOLLARS TO ARCHITECT FEES, YOU, YOU KIND OF HAVE TO BE ON BOARD. UM, SO, UH, NOT SPEAKING FOR THE REST OF THE COMMITTEE, BUT CERTAINLY FOR MYSELF, UH, I ABSOLUTELY WANT TO SHRINK THE SIZE OF THE FOOTPRINT OF THE COUNTY. UH, I WANT TO PUT THAT LAND BACK ON THE TAX ROLLS. I WANT TO FIND THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY TO UTILIZE THE MONEY LONG TERM, WHICH, UH, TO SUPERVISOR SHARA'S POINT APPEARS TO BE A NEW BUILDING. SO, UM, CERTAINLY I HAVE THE COMMITMENT TO GOING FORWARD WITH THIS, UH, ONCE WE GET IT UP. AND I MEAN OBVIOUSLY THERE WILL BE QUESTIONS AND TWEAKS ALONG THE WAY, BUT I AM 100% COMMITTED TO THIS IDEA. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? UH, COUNTY EXECUTIVE. THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. UM, UH, SUPERVISOR SHARIN, I JUST HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU ON, AND THEN A SUBS A FOLLOW UP TO THAT. THE, IN THE BUILDING COMMITTEE, MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE CONVERSATION, UH, IN READOUTS AND, AND IN THE COMMITTEE REPORT TODAY WAS, UM, PURSUING THE OPTION OF PARTNERING WITH A NONPROFIT REMAINS ON THE TABLE, BUT IN THE CONTEXT OF OUR OWN BUILDING. IS THAT A FAIR ASSESSMENT OR ARE THOSE, DO YOU SEE THOSE THINGS AS TWO SEPARATE THINGS? AM I A MISUNDERSTANDING? ARE YOU FOLLOWING MY QUESTION? NOT REALLY. I MEAN, WE, WE WERE LOOKING TO PUBLIC PRIVATE WAS STILL ON THE BOARD, BUT I THINK EVERYBODY WAS LEANING TOWARDS THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE NEW BUILDING. OKAY. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PRIVATE [00:50:01] STILL BEING IN THE MIDST? NO, NO. UH, A NONPROFIT PARTNER. OH. UM, I GUESS THAT DEPENDS ON THE USE OF THE BUILDING. SURE. OKAY. I MEAN, IF THERE'S ROOM THERE, UM, THAT DID COME UP IN, IN THE FEW OF THE MEETINGS THAT, UH, IF THERE IS A TIME WHEN WE DON'T NEED THE TYPE OF PERSONNEL OR WE DON'T NEED THE SIX, UH, 65,000 SQUARE FEET, THAT THAT COULD STILL BE AN OPTION. OKAY. AND WE HAVE CURRENT CONTRACTORS. I THINK JUDY, JULIE ALLUDED TO ONE JUST A MOMENT AGO THAT COULD USE CERTAIN PORTIONS OF THE, THE SPACE THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY DESIGNING. AND WE HAD BEEN IN TALKS WITH OTHER NONPROFITS WHO ARE ADJACENT TO WHAT WE DO THAT, UM, IF IT SEEMS LIKE OUR TIMELINES ARE OFF, UH, BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT WAS AN OPENNESS OF THE COMMITTEE. UM, IF IT'S NOT, I JUST NEED TO KNOW THAT. AND THE, AND I ASK THOSE QUESTIONS BECAUSE OF THE UNDERLYING THING WHICH I HOPE THE COMMITTEE DISCUSSES AND CERTAINLY THE COUNTY BOARD WHEN YOU FEEL THAT THE TIME'S, RIGHT. UM, BY US GOING DOWN THE PATH OF BUILDING OUR OWN BUILDING, AS I'M, I KNOW HAS BEEN COMMUNICATED, THE COMMITTEE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A 35 OR 40 OR MAYBE EVEN $45 MILLION VENTURE AT THIS POINT. UM, AND INTEREST RATES AREN'T GETTING ANY BETTER ANYTIME SOON. I DON'T THINK SO. IT'S A SUBSTANTIAL, UM, INVESTMENT UPFRONT. UH, I APPRECIATE, UM, 'CAUSE I'VE BEEN IN COUNTY GOVERNMENT AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT FOR 20 YEARS AND I CAN COUNT ON ONE HAND THE NUMBER OF TIMES SUPERVISORS TALKED ABOUT THINGS 30 YEARS OUT. SO THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT. UM, BUT IN THE HERE AND NOW, IT WILL, IT'LL TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF EFFORT AND MONEY AND INVESTMENT BY THE TAXPAYER TO GET TO THAT 30 YEAR POINT. UM, PROBABLY TO THE TUNE OF TWO TO TWO AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR. AND I'VE GOT A LOT OF RABBITS IN THE HAT. I JUST DON'T HAVE TWO AND A HALF MILLION OF THEM. SO IT, IT WILL BE A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT BY OUR COMMUNITY IN THE FORM OF A TAX INCREASE. AND I WANT, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THE COMMITTEE AND ULTIMATELY LATER THE COUNTY BOARD UNDERSTANDS THAT AND IS PREPARED TO MAKE THAT INVESTMENT KNOWING WE HAD THESE OTHER THINGS AND WE MADE THE CONSCIOUS DECISION WE'RE NOT GONNA DO THE SHORT TERM SAVINGS POTENTIALLY. UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE LONG TERM AND THEN WE ALL COLLECTIVELY CAN EXPLAIN THAT TO OUR CONSTITUENTS WHEN THE QUESTIONS COME ABOUT, WHY DID OUR TAX BILL GO UP TWO AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS? SO I, I JUST, I ASK THOSE QUESTIONS BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE WHEN, WHEN IT GETS TO THAT POINT WE'RE ALL PREPARED AND FULLY ARMED WITH WHATEVER DECISION WE MAKE. I GUESS THE BEST WAY I CAN ANSWER THAT IS YEAH, WE DO UNDERSTAND THAT. OKAY, THERE IS A COST IMPACT TO THAT. IF YOU LOOK AT THE NEW CONSTRUCTION ESTIMATE HERE, HE'S LOOKING AT 30 MILLION, OBVIOUSLY YOU GOTTA ADD SOME FURNITURE AND UNFORESEEN CONDITIONS. RIGHT? UM, SO WHICH IS UNDER THE 40 MILLION CAP. YES. UM, SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT DIFFERENT SPACE NEEDS BEFORE WE GET TO THE FINAL DECISION, I GUESS THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS GOTTA DISCUSS AND TALK ABOUT AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT AT THE BUILDING COMMITTEE. OKAY. LEVEL, MY, MY BIGGEST INTEREST IN BOTH PRIVATE SECTOR AND NON-PROFIT WAS NUMBER ONE, GET AS MANY OPTIONS IN FRONT OF YOU, THE COMMITTEE, INCLUDING THE REMODEL MM-HMM . WHICH I KNOW YOU TALKED ABOUT, GET AS MANY OPTIONS IN FRONT OF YOU AS POSSIBLE. BUT ALSO IF WE'RE ABLE TO, UM, WORK WITH SOME OF OUR NONPROFITS, IT COULD POTENTIALLY OPEN THE DOOR TO FEDERAL DOLLARS IN TERMS OF GRANTS, POTEN, POTENTIALLY STATE, BUT MORE THAN LIKELY FEDERAL DOLLARS. UM, AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S OFF THE TABLE FROM THE VANTAGE POINT OF THE, THE COMMITTEE AGAIN, I DON'T BELIEVE IT IS. OKAY. UM, IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY IDEAS ON, ON THE NEEDS, AGAIN, IT WOULD BE A SPACE NEED STUDY, RIGHT? YES. YES. YES. IF WE HAVE TO CHANGE A DESIGN OR DO ANY, ANYTHING WITH THE BUILDING TO ACCOMMODATE THAT, I GUESS THE SOONER THE BETTER RIGHT? TO KNOW ABOUT IT. BUT AGAIN, I THINK THAT'S ON JULIE, RIGHT? 'CAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT SPACE YOU NEED AND THEN WHAT, WHAT YOU'D HAVE LEFT OVER. SO, 'CAUSE WE ARE, JUST SO EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS, THAT'S WHAT 130,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING OR 125,000, THE NEW BUILDING WE'RE BUILDING IS 65,000, SO IT'S SIGNIFICANTLY SMALLER MM-HMM . AND WE'RE DOING THAT ON PURPOSE, RIGHT? SO WE CAN REDUCE OUR FOOTPRINT, RIGHT? YEAH, I MEAN THAT'S EXACTLY THE PATH I'M GOING DOWN. IT IS, WE'RE MAKING IT SUBSTANTIALLY SMALLER AND, UM, AND YET 30 MILLION, WHETHER IT'S 30 MILLION OR 35 OR 40 MILLION DOESN'T MATTER. I MEAN, IT'S A PROBABLY A TWO TO TWO AND A HALF MILLION DOLLAR NOT, WE GOT A CRACK ON THE PRINCIPLE AND INTEREST PAYMENT. UM, I I JUST, I'M NOT EVEN CERTAIN IT'S A REALISTIC POSSIBILITY ANYMORE WITH A NONPROFIT. THE PACE AT WHICH WE'RE MOVING, UM, IS LIGHTNING SPEED FOR GOVERNMENT. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THESE THINGS ALIGN WITH THE, THE PROJECT ACROSS THE STREET, UM, THAT THIS, THIS COMMITTEE HAS ALSO CONTEMPLATED, UM, POTENTIALLY WORKING WITH THE PRIVATE SECTOR OVER THERE. SO WE ARE VERY MUCH ON A FAST TRACK AND I, AND NEXT MONTH I ANTICIPATE, IF NOT NEXT MONTH, THE FOLLOWING MONTH, YOU'RE GONNA BE ASKED ABOUT A MILLION TO A MILLION AND A HALF DOLLAR [00:55:01] INVESTMENT IN ARCHITECTURE. AND ONCE WE'RE THERE TO SUPERVISOR KELLY'S POINT, LIKE YOU CAN'T PUT THE TOOTHPASTE BACK IN . AND IF WE DON'T, IF WE DON'T DO IT AT THAT POINT, LIKE THEN I WILL BE VERY UPSET . BUT IF I MAY ADD TO THAT TOO, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE MADE OUR COMMITMENTS TO REDUCING THE FOOTPRINT. YEP. NGH, UH, ALL THESE DIFFERENT THINGS ARE ALL TIED TOGETHER AND IN THE 20 TO 30 YEAR OUT PLAN, UH, AND, AND THIS PLAN, WHILE IT MAY ON THE FRONT SIDE, YOU SAY, YEAH, IT'S GONNA BE A TAX INCREASE. I WOULD ALSO REMIND THE PEOPLE AND CERTAINLY MY CONSTITUENTS THAT YES, BUT IT ALSO PUTS THAT LAND BACK ON THE TAX ROLLS, RIGHT? WHICH IN PERPETUITY CONTINUES TO PAY THIS DOWN. EVEN IF WE REMODELED THE OLD BUILDING, IT WOULD COST US ALMOST 30 MILLION. AND IN 30 YEARS THE LIFE OF THIS NEW BUILDING, WE'D HAVE TO DO IT AGAIN OR FIND ANOTHER BUILDING, RIGHT? THIS NOT ONLY EXTENDS OUT OUR TIME OF THIS BUILDING, OKAY, BEFORE WE ENTER A MAJOR REMODEL, YOU'RE LOOKING AT 30 YEARS BARRING ANY UNFORESEEN CIRCUMSTANCES, LIGHTNING STRIKE ON A COOLER OR WHATEVER. UM, BUT BARRING THAT, YOU'VE GOT A 30 YEAR CLEAR RUN OF NO REAL SIGNIFICANT SPENDING OTHER THAN REGULAR MAINTENANCE AND THEN MAYBE AN UPDATE IN IN 30 YEARS. UH, MEANWHILE, NGH IS CONTINUING TO PAY PROPERTY TAX TOWARDS THAT MONEY THAT WAS BORROWED OVER THE NEXT 30 YEARS. SO UNDO IT, IT WILL MAKE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT IN OUR COMMUNITY, IT WILL MAKE US MORE EFFICIENT IN THE LONG RUN. AND I BELIEVE THAT IS THE RIGHT SMART THING TO DO. SEVERAL REC RECOLLECTIONS AS WELL FROM THE BUILDING COMMITTEE MEETING. UM, WE WERE ALL, I THINK IN FAVOR OF ANY NON-PROFIT PARTNERSHIPS THAT MAY HAVE BEEN AVAILABLE OR THAT MAY HAVE SURFACED. BUT AGAIN, IT WAS THE TIMELINESS OF THE MATTER. I DON'T THINK ANYONE REJECTED ANY, ANY OF THOSE IDEAS, BUT IT, IT, IT NEEDED TO BE A CLEAR BENEFIT TO THE COUNTY AND THE COUNTY CONSTITUENTS AND IT NEEDED TO BE DONE IN A TIMELY MANNER SO WE WOULDN'T WASTE TIME ON THE PROJECT. UM, AND QUITE FRANKLY, MEETING THOSE TWO CRITERIA IS PRETTY TOUGH. RIGHT. UM, THE OTHER THING TO REMEMBER THAT IS GOING FORWARD WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE PERCENTAGE OF TAXES THAT THE COUNTY HAS IN THE TOTAL TAXES GATHERED AS WE GO FORWARD AND WE START TO MAKE, I MEAN THE COUNTY'S HELD THE LINE ON TAXES FOR A GOOD LONG RUN. RIGHT? RIGHT. THAT'S ABOUT TO CHANGE. SO THE, THE AMOUNT OF THE, THE PERCENTAGE OF THAT TOTAL TAX BEING TAKEN BY THE COUNTY IS AS SMALL AS IT WILL PROBABLY EVER BE. AND SO GOING FORWARD OVER THE NEXT 20, 30 YEARS, THAT PERCENTAGE THAT ACCRUES TO THE COUNTY IS ONLY GOING TO INCREASE. RIGHT. SUPERVISOR SHARIN, THANK YOU . JUST TO GET BACK WHAT SUPERVISOR KILLING SAID, I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT YES, BORROWING THE MONEY IS GONNA INCREASE THE TAX THAT WE HAVE TO PAY FOR THIS, BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO LOOK AT, IF WE DON'T DO THIS, THE, THE COST TO RENOVATE THE BUILDING WE ALREADY HAVE IS NOT CHEAP EITHER. IT ISN'T. SO, SO NO MATTER HOW YOU SLICE THE PIE, THERE'S GONNA BE A COST INVOLVED AND IT'S, I BELIEVE WE LOOKED AT THE BEST OPTION THAT WOULD BE THE MOST, UH, MAKE IT MOST EFFICIENT AND LIKE YOU SAID, PUT MORE OF THE LAND BACK ONTO THE TAX ROLL, UH, THAT THE COUNTY HAS THE BEST OPTION. SO AS I SAID, I LOVE HEARING, UM, LOCAL ELECTED OFFICIALS TALKING ABOUT 30 YEARS OUT LIKE THAT. SOME OF YOU HAVE BEEN ON LOCAL BOARDS OR, OR WORKED FOR COMMUNITIES FOR A LONG TIME. I THINK YOU CAN PROBABLY ATTEST THAT THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN ALL THE TIME. SO I APPRECIATE THAT. UM, AND IT'S A BIG DECISION, SO I APPRECIATE THE CONTEXT. THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? AYE SUPERVISOR? NEWMAN. . THERE WE GO. WIND IT UP. WHY NOT? YEP. I'M GONNA RESPOND TO THE QUESTION YOU ASKED HIM FIRST. SO I THINK, UH, PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP IS A GREAT IDEA AS LONG AS WE ARE THE BUSINESS OWNER OR THE PROPERTY OWNER, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. 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